Braid Vs Mono On Rocks 2024
LMB ANGLER reply :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgpFX5Wrkos
Comfortably Numb reply :
Good job. No flouro???
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/4/2013 at 4:04 PM, Comfortably Numb said:Good job. No flouro???
thanks, nah maybe in another video. these two are the most popular lines.
aavery2 reply :
good video, try them wet.
Montanaro reply :
if you try fluoro use seaguar abras-x line to see the difference.
J Francho reply :
How about dragging the line weighted with nothing more than a typical bait?
bigbill reply :
Many years ago lurenet had posted a test of different lines up against bending and abrasion tests. There Excaliber Silver Thread Copolymer line won out against all the rest.
You should try this line too. They actually did cycle testing when it came to bending tests. They did more cycle testing too but I can't remember what they were. Bill
Great educational video about line, it's an eye opener.
Raul reply :
That rock is baby rear end smooth compared to what I´m used to fish.
J Francho reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 1:47 AM, bigbill said:Many years ago lurenet had posted a test of different lines up against bending and abrasion tests. There Excaliber Silver Thread Copolymer line won out against all the rest.
You should try this line too. They actually did cycle testing when it came to bending tests. They did more cycle testing too but I can't remember what they were. Bill
Great educational video about line, it's an eye opener.
Silver thread is excellent line - I use it for steelhead fishing with spinners and minnow baits. However, I bet if Pure Fishing did the same test, their line would come out on top. Same for any test when it's run by the manufacturer.... I find P-Line CXX X-tra Tough to be the most abrasion resistant line I've tried - and I've tried a ton of lines.
J Francho reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 2:36 AM, Raul said:That rock is baby rear end smooth compared to what I´m used to fish.
I've heard your a Big Game man, Raul - still true?
LMB ANGLER reply :
yea, fluoro would be almost as abrasion resistant as mono on rocks. braid is usually for weeds, but places that has no weeds and have rocky body of water, like the west coast of the USA, (california, arizona, west texas, new mexico, colorado,) and other west states. the mid west and east coast, usually have vegetation. its a matter of using the right line for your area, using braid out west where the water is clear and rocky, theres no need for braid unless you use a leader, same goes to east coast, iv seen people using mono and fluoro on extremely heavy vegetation, but they usually get stuck.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 5:10 AM, LMB ANGLER said:yea, fluoro would be almost as abrasion resistant as mono on rocks. braid is usually for weeds, but places that has no weeds and have rocky body of water, like the west coast of the USA, (california, arizona, west texas, new mexico, colorado,) and other west states. the mid west and east coast, usually have vegetation. its a matter of using the right line for your area, using braid out west where the water is clear and rocky, theres no need for braid unless you use a leader, same goes to east coast, iv seen people using mono and fluoro on extremely heavy vegetation, but they usually get stuck.
JWOA reply :
interesting thanks for the tip
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 6:02 AM, iabass8 said:
yea, I cant explain it any simpler than this. thats why i post the the video instead of just writing it.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 5:10 AM, LMB ANGLER said:y but places that has no weeds and have rocky body of water, like the west coast of the USA, (california, arizona, west texas, new mexico, colorado,)
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On 11/5/2013 at 5:10 AM, LMB ANGLER said:the mid west and east coast, usually have vegetation.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 7:10 AM, iabass8 said:.......
lol, im just speaking in general, i been around the country and the places that iv been or lakes are rocky on the west and it seems the east has more vegetation. (sorry i didn't explain that i meant on my experience on places iv been). point is mono and flouro is better on the rocks and braid is better on vegetation. braid tends to break easy on rocks.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 7:38 AM, LMB ANGLER said:point is mono and flouro is better on the rocks and braid is better on vegetation. braid tends to break easy on rocks.
well i'll agree with you there.
J Francho reply :
I don't think you can make a sweeping generalization about bottom composition and cover based simply on geography. The same would hold true for what line would be best.
Raul reply :
On 11/5/2013 at 3:09 AM, J Francho said:I've heard your a Big Game man, Raul - still true?
Not when I have to drag baits on the bottom, then I become a CXX man, got a love-hate relationship with it, I hate that it behaves like a friggin´ wire, I love that it´s so incredibly abrassion resitant. I also like Hybrid, kind of in between BG and CXX.
J Francho reply :
I'm big fan of CXX, Raul. It can be a pain, but lots of KVD L&L will help.
dodgeguy reply :
the test is garbage.he is pulling the line the opposite direction it would go over a rock.i have used suffix 832 cranking in rocks with no problem.yes a sharp edge will cut braid but that test is false.and like j francho said you don't have that much force on your line.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 4:22 AM, dodgeguy said:the test is garbage.he is pulling the line the opposite direction it would go over a rock.i have used suffix 832 cranking in rocks with no problem.yes a sharp edge will cut braid but that test is false
It seems here that you contradict yourself, but hey i understand... and the reason why he is pulling opposite direction is because its a fact that when your lure goes thru the rocks a bunch of times, it will damage your line this is common sense. but hey not everyone thinks like you.
dodgeguy reply :
it makes a big difference with braid which direction you pull it.common sense would tell you that.you are going against the weave so of course it will damage and cut faster.why do youhave to be so belligerent?i never said mono or flouro weren't more abrasion resistant.i just said a good braid is one hell of a lot better than that garbage video shows .
J Francho reply :
To me, and I think this is the point dodge is bringing up, all the test showed is that ALL line can be cut by a rock. The braid broke quicker. This is not a news flash, and to get that kind of pressure on the from a rock, you'd have to get hung up and wrapped around a rock every cast. A better test would be to drag a 1/2 oz. jig over the algae and biofilm covered rock, underwater until the line broke.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 4:51 AM, dodgeguy said:it makes a big difference with braid which direction you pull it.common sense would tell you that.you are going against the weave so of course it will damage and cut faster.i just said a good braid is one hell of a lot better than that garbage video shows .
first off calm down, take a breather. your still contradicting yourself. the point in this video just the thread says (BRAID VS MONO ON ROCKS). man... I dont understand why so angry and hateful to my videos. calling it garbage. some people find this helpful. that shows your true colors and unprofessional.
dodgeguy reply :
IT IS AN INVALID TEST.AS FRANCHO SUGGESTED HIS TEST WOULD BE BETTER. I DON'T HATE YOUR VIDEOS THIS ONE'S JUST NOT VALID TO REAL SITUATIONS AS FRANCHO POINTS OUT.YES I AGREE MONO IS BETTER.I'M EVEN GOING BACK TO IT FOR SOME USES.I DID NOT LIKE YOUR COMMENT ON MY THOUGHT PROCESS " but hey not everyone thinks like you".
J Francho reply :
It isn't a realistic test that replicates any actual fishing situation. Yes, braid is less abrasion resistant than mono or fluoro. The video grossly exaggerates this fact, and in the real world, it isn't as much a problem as the video makes it out to be.
This is an interesting discussion, and let's keep it civil.
dodgeguy reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:09 AM, J Francho said:It isn't a realistic test that replicates any actual fishing situation. Yes, braid is less abrasion resistant than mono or fluoro. The video grossly exaggerates this fact, and in the real world, it isn't as much a problem as the video makes it out to be.
This is an interesting discussion, and let's keep it civil.
thank you john !!!
J Francho reply :
Let's take a 1965 Ford half ton pickup, Ferrari F40, and a brand new Mercedes C-class, and drop a 50 ton boulder on each of them. Which has the least damage? Probably the pickup. That MUST be the safest vehicle, right? That's how I see this test.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:15 AM, J Francho said:Let's take a 1965 Ford half ton pickup, Ferrari F40, and a brand new Mercedes C-class, and drop a 50 ton boulder on each of them. Which has the least damage? Probably the pickup. That MUST be the safest vehicle, right? That's how I see this test.
franco you should know better, everyone know its not gonna brake like the video shows, but it shows that the mono is more abrasion than braid on the rocks. and a truck being more safer, that is 100% false. Mercedes is one of the safest cars in the world, and the steel of Mercedes is much more stronger. A smart car is safer than a truck because the metal is more to the center and its also more compact since the steel is closer to each other rather than being separated . just because something is big, that does not mean its safer. that and opinion. i dont want to get out of subject but non of this makes sense to me. mono is better than braid on the rocks and thats the simple fact. braid is better for other things. the video just shows that mono is better on the rocks than braid thats all.
J Francho reply :
The video shows what braid cutters should be made out of:
That rock, or zebra mussels. 
Comfortably Numb reply :
If you had a fish on and it ran deep across some rocks this test could be valid.
A test just dragging a 1/2 oz jig over a rock, the vid would be hours long 
J Francho reply :
Test the break strength of fresh line. Run it over the rock 50 times. Test the break strength again. Now I'm listening. In fact, I don't need a video - a chart will do. 
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
LoL....off topic I saw a smart car hit by a suv.they didn't need a rollback to take it away.the SUV was is one piece.smart car was literally put into 5 large trash cans minus the tires and wheels.it was a fatal.DOA
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 9:44 AM, Maxximus Redneckus said:LoL....off topic I saw a smart car hit by a suv.they didn't need a rollback to take it away.the SUV was is one piece.smart car was literally put into 5 large trash cans minus the tires and wheels.it was a fatal.DOA
show me, its easy to say and talk out of ignorance than to show with truth. but since you are not going to show me and use an random excuse, im done talking to you, besides your name tag is called maxximus redneckus. enough said.. im out
iabass8 reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:25 AM, LMB ANGLER said:. mono is better than braid on the rocks and thats the simple fact.
Nobody in here is refuting that. It's common sense and this has been proven over and over time and time again. i dont think anybody with half a braid will say braid is more abrasion resistant than mono on rocks. The point that francho and dodge are making was the video went about proving this in a manner that was so far fetched it was embarassing somebody would try to pass this off as meaningful. An ideal test, as stated countless times before, would be actually rubbing the line on a rock /w a jig or weighted plastic and dragging it over the rock as if you are fishing it that way to show(not prove)how fast they weaken. simply sawing line on a rock is dumb.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:25 AM, LMB ANGLER said:franco you should know better, everyone know its not gonna brake like the video shows, but it shows that the mono is more abrasion than braid on the rocks. and a truck being more safer, that is 100% false. Mercedes is one of the safest cars in the world, and the steel of Mercedes is much more stronger. A smart car is safer than a truck because the metal is more to the center and its also more compact since the steel is closer to each other rather than being separated . just because something is big, that does not mean its safer. that and opinion. i dont want to get out of subject but non of this makes sense to me. mono is better than braid on the rocks and thats the simple fact. braid is better for other things. the video just shows that mono is better on the rocks than braid thats all.
i don't think you understood the point of franco's post....
and as for the w/e car/truck rational you're trying to prove, each car is safer in different situations. there isn't one specific car that is safer than every other car. hopefully you understand francos post now.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 10:07 AM, iabass8 said:Nobody in here is refuting that. It's common sense and this has been proven over and over time and time again. i dont think anybody with half a braid will say braid is more abrasion resistant than mono on rocks. The point that francho and dodge are making was the video went about proving this in a manner that was so far fetched it was embarassing somebody would try to pass this off as meaningful. An ideal test, as stated countless times before, would be actually rubbing the line on a rock /w a jig or weighted plastic and dragging it over the rock as if you are fishing it that way to show(not prove)how fast they weaken. simply sawing line on a rock is dumb.
thanks for your opinion.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:25 AM, LMB ANGLER said:franco you should know better, everyone know its not gonna brake like the video shows, but it shows that the mono is more abrasion than braid on the rocks. and a truck being more safer, that is 100% false. Mercedes is one of the safest cars in the world, and the steel of Mercedes is much more stronger. A smart car is safer than a truck because the metal is more to the center and its also more compact since the steel is closer to each other rather than being separated . just because something is big, that does not mean its safer. that and opinion. i dont want to get out of subject but non of this makes sense to me. mono is better than braid on the rocks and thats the simple fact. braid is better for other things. the video just shows that mono is better on the rocks than braid thats all.
What JFrancho said has not as much to do with safety as you may be thinking. He said if you drop a 50 ton boulder on the car, which would be damaged the least. Trucks are usually built with stronger suspensions since they are meant for carrying heavy loads in the back deck/trunk.
Then he goes on to say "That MUST be the safest vehicle, right? That's how I see this test.", which clearly means that he doesn't exactly think that a truck would indefinitely the strongest vehicle.
Back on the subject of this over-exaggerating video - The mono is obviously better on rocks if it was rubbed against it under constant, relatively heavy pressure. This doesn't mean braid is useless in the rocks, but that braid would be more likely to break off if it were wrapped up in the rocks by a fish = constant, heavy pressure against an abrasive surface.
Brian Needham reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 9:53 AM, LMB ANGLER said:show me, its easy to say and talk out of ignorance than to show with truth. but since you are not going to show me and use an random excuse, im done talking to you, besides your name tag is called maxximus redneckus. enough said.. im out
so much for Francho asking to keep it civil, eh?
I think everyone agrees with braid is not the best for rocks.
LMB ANGLER reply :
I totally understand. jezzz i have a lot of haters damnn
dodgeguy reply :
we don't hate you.that is an over reaction to us disagreeing with you.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 5:15 AM, J Francho said:Let's take a 1965 Ford half ton pickup, Ferrari F40, and a brand new Mercedes C-class, and drop a 50 ton boulder on each of them. Which has the least damage? Probably the pickup. That MUST be the safest vehicle, right? That's how I see this test.
50 tons is 100,000#, not much would be of any of those vehicles, they would all be pancakes.
What I'm not sure about in the test is how much pressure was put on each line in the demonstration, for argument sake let's say they were equal, and mono wins. As mentioned the test does not depict real fishing, I'd be less concerned with my line running over rocks with a lure on than I would if I had a fish on. Where I fish coral and barnacles come into play and they are pretty sharp, most lines I can think of whether braid, mono or coploy have a chance of being severed, but it seems like it happens much more often with a fish on. My last experience a few weeks ago was with a tarpon on the line, tarpon dove deep and I cut off in an area of just rocks. The rocks were in the inlet, constant current which leads me to believe the rocks may have had some smoothness to them, can't really answer that for sure. At any rate I reel in and what was cut was my 40# mono leader, I think the pressure and weight from the fish had a lot to do with it. Just the line moving on the rocks without the fish I don't think would have cut the leader.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 11/6/2013 at 4:36 PM, SirSnookalot said:50 tons is 100,000#, not much would be of any of those vehicles, they would all be pancakes.
What I'm not sure about in the test is how much pressure was put on each line in the demonstration, for argument sake let's say they were equal, and mono wins. As mentioned the test does not depict real fishing, I'd be less concerned with my line running over rocks with a lure on than I would if I had a fish on. Where I fish coral and barnacles come into play and they are pretty sharp, most lines I can think of whether braid, mono or coploy have a chance of being severed, but it seems like it happens much more often with a fish on. My last experience a few weeks ago was with a tarpon on the line, tarpon dove deep and I cut off in an area of just rocks. The rocks were in the inlet, constant current which leads me to believe the rocks may have had some smoothness to them, can't really answer that for sure. At any rate I reel in and what was cut was my 40# mono leader, I think the pressure and weight from the fish had a lot to do with it. Just the line moving on the rocks without the fish I don't think would have cut the leader.
remember tho, lets say bass or snook, when your on a rock pile or try to get snook real quick from structure, your pulling him out real quick while hes pulling the other way.
J Francho reply :
And we're done.
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