Anyone using the longer rods for Flippin? I ordered a Skeet Reese 9'-2" flippin' stick - didn't even use it before sending back. Obviously weight and balance are critical in something that size. I thought it was quite heavy and would be a huge fatigue factor. Liked the telescopic feature though for storage.
Are there any other good good options out there without breaking the bank? How about a salmon/steelhead rod - I have a credit from St. Croix, maybe could have a dual use for flippin' too ??
I don't see the need for anything over 8' MAX. Mine's a 7'9" and it's plenty long, but it's super high end so it's not real heavy. I don't think you're gonna find a super long, heavy action rod that's not gonna weigh a ton unless it's high end and not telescopic
On 8/4/2017 at 3:15 AM, FryDog62 said:Anyone using the longer rods for Flippin? I ordered a Skeet Reese 9'-2" flippin' stick - didn't even use it before sending back. Obviously weight and balance are critical in something that size. I thought it was quite heavy and would be a huge fatigue factor. Liked the telescopic feature though for storage.
Are there any other good good options out there without breaking the bank? How about a salmon/steelhead rod - I have a credit from St. Croix, maybe could have a dual use for flippin' too ??
You may find that most of the 'trout' specific sticks are going to be pretty 'soft' might even approach 'noodle' compared to what you may be used to or looking for flipping heavy cover.
What is it 'problem' you're hoping to solve with a stick that long ?
I have some surf casting rods I'll sell you - they'll definitely improve your 'distance'.
A-Jay
I am pretty sure there are no 9-10 foot rods in my future. I have a couple 7'11" X-heavy rods that I use to punch and flip the mats and I think they are the max length that I want to handle. I have several 7'6" heavy that I really would rather use if I can get away with it but that is JMO on the longer rod issue
No need. 7'6" H will get fish out of pretty much anything.
Here are a few reasons for those extremely long rods:
1. To sell more rods....there will be a couple of pros who will be using them and will say "without having that 9.5 ft rod there is no way i would have caught those fish"
2. To bring in more patients for physical therapy.....a.k.a. fisherman's elbow / chiropractor / etc....
3. To increase boat sales...longer boats with longer rod lockers
4. Can also be used as push poles in shallow water
I can pitch and flip with a 7'3" or a 7'6" all day...anything longer and heavier....not for me.
If you are going to pitch, not flip, then you don't need a longer rod. If you are actually flipping then a longer rod is a real advantage. Dee Thomas who introduced flipping to professional bass fishing started out using 14' long rods, the 8' length rod with a reel rule came about because of Dee's advantage using the long flipping rods.
Fenwick made the 1st 8' telescoping flipping rods for Dee back in the late 70's.
Tom
I suppose longer is better ... for some. Oh geez, I'm sorry, that
statement can be misinterpreted badly...
Surf rods, as @A-Jay mentioned, I can easily see it. Even long
pole fishing w/o reels. Some like trucks jacked up so far they need
a ladder to get in the driver's seat. Not practical, but some do it.
I'm the wrong guy to even respond. I don't see the requirement for
rods over 6'6", LOL. Whatevs! Go for it!
On 8/4/2017 at 4:38 AM, A-Jay said:
You may find that most of the 'trout' specific sticks are going to be pretty 'soft' might even approach 'noodle' compared to what you may be used to or looking for flipping heavy cover.
What is it 'problem' you're hoping to solve with a stick that long ?
I have some surf casting rods I'll sell you - they'll definitely improve your 'distance'.
A-Jay
The reason I'm interested is that there are certain places I fish in the milfoil here in Minnesota - where I drift the boat quietly along a weed edge. If I had - for instance, a 10 foot rod with 10 feet of line out - I could drop a jig or Texas rig into 3-4 different openings within reach and get a reaction bite. Or, drift along a little further and repeat - without ever really casting, plopping, making noise, etc. Would be a stealthy way of covering some high percentage spots. Wouldn't plan to cover a lengthy shoreline this way necessarily, I have a 7'-6" rod for that...
You should go online search "Dee Thomas, Flippin". There is a interview with Dee and a Utube vedio.
Tom
On 8/4/2017 at 8:27 AM, FryDog62 said:The reason I'm interested is that there are certain places I fish in the milfoil here in Minnesota - where I drift the boat quietly along a weed edge. If I had - for instance, a 10 foot rod with 10 feet of line out - I could drop a jig or Texas rig into 3-4 different openings within reach and get a reaction bite. Or, drift along a little further and repeat - without ever really casting, plopping, making noise, etc. Would be a stealthy way of covering some high percentage spots. Wouldn't plan to cover a lengthy shoreline this way necessarily, I have a 7'-6" rod for that...
I've considered this myself. There could be use for one but I think you just found out what you're up against to do this. An excessively heavy and poorly balanced rig could just make for a long, tiring day.
On 8/4/2017 at 8:27 AM, FryDog62 said:The reason I'm interested is that there are certain places I fish in the milfoil here in Minnesota - where I drift the boat quietly along a weed edge. If I had - for instance, a 10 foot rod with 10 feet of line out - I could drop a jig or Texas rig into 3-4 different openings within reach and get a reaction bite. Or, drift along a little further and repeat - without ever really casting, plopping, making noise, etc. Would be a stealthy way of covering some high percentage spots. Wouldn't plan to cover a lengthy shoreline this way necessarily, I have a 7'-6" rod for that...
Sounds pretty much like how Dee Thomas did it when he started the whole Flipping deal.
A-Jay
On 8/4/2017 at 8:58 AM, Jeff H said:I've considered this myself. There could be use for one but I think you just found out what you're up against to do this. An excessively heavy and poorly balanced rig could just make for a long, tiring day.
That's where I thought a long but lighter salmon/steelhead rod might be a possible option - if not too "noodly."
What about something like this....
St. Croix Avid Steelhead/Salmon casting rod -
9'-6" Heavy, Fast action, 1/2 to 2 ounce lure weight, 2 pieces, weighs 6.7 ounces
$270
Bamboo cane pole. Ten feet for ten bucks.
Here we go again
The problem for Dee was not rod length but the fact he had no reel attached, he was in his own words a "Tule Dipper".
Thomas started out as what he refers to as a “tule dipper.”
“I started tule dipping in California in the 50s,” he said. “In that technique, you have a 12- to 18-foot rod. There’s no reel so you either attach a length of line to the tip or you run a length of line down through the rod tip and affix it at the butt-end of the rod. Either way, you have a length of line, about as long as the rod, and that’s what you use to present your lure.”
Dee Thomas’ early tournament endeavors were met with mixed results and mixed reviews. Most tournament bass anglers at the time considered his use of 12-foot rods as ‘unsportsmanlike’ and ‘something only a meat hunter would use.’ The 12-foot rod wasn’t something ‘a serious tournament angler would even consider.’
http://bassfishingarchives.com/features/the-birth-of-the-flippin-stik-part-one
On 8/4/2017 at 10:56 AM, Catt said:Here we go again
The problem for Dee was not rod length but the fact he had no reel attached, he was in his own words a "Tule Dipper".
Thomas started out as what he refers to as a “tule dipper.”
“I started tule dipping in California in the 50s,” he said. “In that technique, you have a 12- to 18-foot rod. There’s no reel so you either attach a length of line to the tip or you run a length of line down through the rod tip and affix it at the butt-end of the rod. Either way, you have a length of line, about as long as the rod, and that’s what you use to present your lure.”
Dee Thomas’ early tournament endeavors were met with mixed results and mixed reviews. Most tournament bass anglers at the time considered his use of 12-foot rods as ‘unsportsmanlike’ and ‘something only a meat hunter would use.’ The 12-foot rod wasn’t something ‘a serious tournament angler would even consider.’
http://bassfishingarchives.com/features/the-birth-of-the-flippin-stik-part-one
Ok, now a 10 foot rod is 'legal' although I'm really not a tournament angler myself. So is it sportsmanlike to use a 9-10 foot rod (with a reel) in today's world...?
On 8/4/2017 at 11:13 AM, FryDog62 said:Ok, now a 10 foot rod is 'legal' although I'm really not a tournament angler myself. So is it sportsmanlike to use a 9-10 foot rod (with a reel) in today's world...?
In a non-competitive atmosphere - that may be up to you.
Personally, I'd say it's no less 'sporting' than throwing an A-Rig for instance.
If it's legal, puts fish in the boat & a smile on your face - Go For It.
Might not exactly be my cup of tea but that has nothing to do with you.
Btw ~ I'd be terribly disappointed if you didn't get some video of you Pole Vaulting & Tarzan swinging pot-belly bass into that Pro-V !
A-Jay
Wait a minute...is it the length of the rod or the action? Just kidding...but I have contemplated a steelhead rod for spinning techniques and river fishing for both bass and trout.
On 8/4/2017 at 11:20 AM, A-Jay said:In a non-competitive atmosphere - that may be up to you.
Personally, I'd say it's no less 'sporting' than throwing an A-Rig for instance.
If it's legal, puts fish in the boat & a smile on your face - Go For It.
Might not exactly be my cup of tea but that has nothing to do with you.
Btw ~ I'd be terribly disappointed if you didn't get some video of you Pole Vaulting & Tarzan swinging pot-belly bass into that Pro-V !
A-Jay
I am dusting off the old loin cloth and ready for some pot-belly bass catching action as long as my side-kick Cheetah doesn't bring any bananas into the boat!!
On 8/4/2017 at 9:34 AM, FryDog62 said:What about something like this....
St. Croix Avid Steelhead/Salmon casting rod -
9'-6" Heavy, Fast action, 1/2 to 2 ounce lure weight, 2 pieces, weighs 6.7 ounces
$270
It's gonna be heavy
On 8/4/2017 at 9:29 PM, j bab said:It's gonna be heavy
Could be, but I actually thought 6.7 ounces was pretty good. I think my 7'-6" is 5.2 ounces and I'm sure the Skeet Reese telescopic rod had to be way over 10 ounces although I didn't weigh it.
On 8/4/2017 at 3:15 AM, FryDog62 said:Anyone using the longer rods for Flippin? I ordered a Skeet Reese 9'-2" flippin' stick - didn't even use it before sending back. Obviously weight and balance are critical in something that size. I thought it was quite heavy and would be a huge fatigue factor. Liked the telescopic feature though for storage.
Are there any other good good options out there without breaking the bank? How about a salmon/steelhead rod - I have a credit from St. Croix, maybe could have a dual use for flippin' too ??
Though I personally wouldn't want a flipping stick that long, St. Croix has a couple new ones coming out this fall (Nov. 11 according to TW) in the Legend Tournament line. 8'8 to 9'11 ranging from $300 up to $400. They will obviously be loads better than the Reese rods but I can't imagine they'll be "light" by any means.
On 8/4/2017 at 9:47 PM, RichF said:
Though I personally wouldn't want a flipping stick that long, St. Croix has a couple new ones coming out this fall (Nov. 11 according to TW) in the Legend Tournament line. 8'8 to 9'11 ranging from $300 up to $400. They will obviously be loads better than the Reese rods but I can't imagine they'll be "light" by any means.
Thanks Rich, any idea on how much those rods weigh? I think that and balance will be the biggest issues in these longer rods...
A true Flippin presentation the line is pulled away from the rod between the reel and 1st guide to shorten the line length, the lure flipped underhand while the line is released, the rod is simply an extension to get the lure close to the target. A good flipper can drop a lure into a tea cup. The rod tip is lowered to allow the lure to fall to the bottom. When a bass strikes the rod now comes into use by lifting the fish straight up out of the water and into the boat. Lifting 5 lb to 10 lb bass out of the water is all about power and leverage lifting. Why would you want a long light weight flippin rod?
Tom
On 8/4/2017 at 10:01 PM, FryDog62 said:Thanks Rich, any idea on how much those rods weigh? I think that and balance will be the biggest issues in these longer rods...
Haven't seen any weight info. I would imagine they'd hover around the 6 - 7 oz range.
if i were a pro id use one, but im not so i really dont have a need for it. i think my 7'11 does just fine
biggest I use is 8 foot.built it using an MHX blank.no need to go any longer.also have 3- 7'6" and a 7'3" ......I do a lot of flipping, pitching,punching. hey it's Florida what else are ya gonna do? but anything bigger is gonna be to cumbersome/heavy if your gonna be doing it all day long. 8 is my max length.
For years I used a 7' because it felt right in my hands and had no complaints.
Eventually I got a 7'6", and honestly I can't say with certainty that my catch rate increased because of it.
When I need to flip the extra 6" come's in handy sometimes.
When pitching it doesn't matter.
Mike
On 8/5/2017 at 12:28 AM, WRB said:A true Flippin presentation the line is pulled away from the rod between the reel and 1st guide to shorten the line length, the lure flipped underhand while the line is released, the rod is simply an extension to get the lure close to the target. A good flipper can drop a lure into a tea cup. The rod tip is lowered to allow the lure to fall to the bottom. When a bass strikes the rod now comes into use by lifting the fish straight up out of the water and into the boat. Lifting 5 lb to 10 lb bass out of the water is all about power and leverage lifting. Why would you want a long light weight flippin rod?
Tom
I agree that I wouldn't want want a noodle rod for this ... but I also don't want something as heavy as the Skeet Reese pole. I would use that for about 10 minutes and be done. Something stiff enough but a reasonable weight would be preferable. But not at $400 I think I'd wait for other options than the Legend. Maybe there'll be a Mojo version in a couple years ... or the long rod fad will be over by then anyway...
The new Abu Veritas line will have a 9'0 Heavy, mod-fast casting model for $119.99. Not much of a fan myself, but a lot of people seem to like them. TW says they're do to arrive at the end of Sept.
On 8/10/2017 at 12:52 AM, RichF said:The new Abu Veritas line will have a 9'0 Heavy, mod-fast casting model for $119.99. Not much of a fan myself, but a lot of people seem to like them. TW says they're do to arrive at the end of Sept.
I'd say a maybe on the Veritas. I see it's only rated to 1.5 ounces, but then again that was always the knock on the Veritas is that they are quite stiff and it might be closer to 2-3 ounces in reality. Will take a look, thx for the heads up! Probably will be other options out there too --
On 8/4/2017 at 11:37 AM, Big-Bass said:Wait a minute...is it the length of the rod or the action? Just kidding...but I have contemplated a steelhead rod for spinning techniques and river fishing for both bass and trout.
It won't work. Don't try it Forget he even mentioned it.
Nothing wrong with a ten ft rod. Too many desk jockeys here. I see many places where I could use a 10 or longer rod to catch fish otherwise unobtainable. Tall reeds up and over quietly. Deep inside green trees overhanging the water. Not to mention special purpose shore fishing for long cast. Or great lakes spinnerbait. Or ledge cranking. Or float n fly smallmouth. Approximately ten ft longer cast for each additional ft of rod. Example 75 yd cast for 8 ft rod would be 85 yd cast 9 ft would add additional. 3-4 ft depth.
Edited by Tw3akPersonally instead of flippin, I'd just pitch to those places with a shorter one. You can still get into the water virtually without a sound and you can use a shorter rod that won't kill your arm. Maybe that wouldn't work for you but I don't see using one of the new super long rods.
QuoteToo many desk jockeys here
Don't think I am a desk jockey. honestly don't even own a desk.
I do own an 8ft. fish eagle flipping rod that hangs neatly in my garage. longer rods wear me out.
i use a 7ft. medium heavy fast action rod for flipping. if I need to reach out farther, then I pitch.
A-Rod is a tool I'm sure that I could use a 9-foot + even a 14 or 15 foot flipping stick on occasion you're fooling yourself if you think there are places where you could not use it. I fish for fun and I fish from the shore there are always places I can't reach and oh boy I throw a Carolina rig a lot man could I AT&T a 1 oz Sinker or ounce and a half into the stratosphere here in Florida round reads where the bass spawn that are very big around and to reach the center and get up over the top of the Reeds and not explode into the middle of it you need a longer rod. I thought many times to use a surf rod.
also , there are areas of my lake where even a 7ft 6 rod is tool long i hit overhanging branches so i use a 6ft 6 jig rod. absolutely will have a skeet reese 9 ft rod, and it will pull double duty as a carolina rig rod maybe even a couple other jobs like small swimbaits. When you're stuck on shore reaching the fishes 90% of the battle
I can see what you are thinking and I flip a lot of milfoil and other grass But i have a 744 champion that can do most of it and a 7,6 heavy cashion that does the rest but I think that fliiping isnt a struggle to get the fish out if you set the hook hard enough and if you just winch em in. I personally never see myself using that big of a rod becuase The tournemnts I fish their is no nets so I would have the rod so far behind me to be able to lip or belly grab the fish.
Eight foot is my max.