Buck Perry Spoonplugging book 2024
cgolf reply :
Is this a good book to read and have on hand and possibly reread? I have a couple of older books, slider fishing and lunkers love nightcrawlers that I reread from time to time because they have a lot of good info in them. Should I pick this book up or pass on it?
senile1 reply :
I think it is an essential book. I have the whole series.
Catt reply :
Only if ya wanna learn how to fish structure. 
cgolf reply :
Thanks guys, it gets put on the Christmas list for some over the winter reading.
WRB reply :
How many of you that own a spoon plug have caught a bass using them?
Spoon plugs are made for trolling at specific depths and few bass anglers troll today.
Knowledge is always good and Buck Perry's books are more about why bass locate where they do and less about spoon plugs.
Tom
senile1 reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 2:42 AM, WRB said:How many of you that own a spoon plug have caught a bass using them?
Spoon plugs are made for trolling at specific depths and few bass anglers troll today.
Knowledge is always good and Buck Perry's books are more about why bass locate where they do and less about spoon plugs.
Tom
I received some freebie spoonplugs when I bought the Buck Perry series but I have never used them. There are some things in Buck's books that are outdated but his information on structure and mapping is very informative.
Dypsis reply :
It's next on my fishing books to read. About halfway done with In Pursuit of Giant Bass. Its hard with the little ones right now to find any time to read.
cgolf reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 2:42 AM, WRB said:Knowledge is always good and Buck Perry's books are more about why bass locate where they do and less about spoon plugs.
Tom
This is why I was interested in the book, the location factor. I will never fish a spoonplug and the closest I will come to trolling for bass is catching one while walleye trolling. I have mostly been a shallow water fisherman who will dabble with deep cranks when the shallow bite is off. I would like to up my deepwater game in the future.
frogflogger reply :
You can learn more about your body of water by trolling than any other method - period.
senile1 reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 7:34 PM, frogflogger said:You can learn more about your body of water by trolling than any other method - period.
With side imaging and down imaging, many don't see a reason to take the time to troll and map a structure like Buck recommends. I, personally, agree with you. To get the best picture in your mind of how a particular structure element is laid out and how different pieces of cover are situated on that structure, trolling performed correctly can be very informative. However, I do use my sonar for mapping purposes when little time is available which is much of the time for me.
Catt reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 3:58 AM, cgolf said:This is why I was interested in the book, the location factor. I will never fish a spoonplug and the closest I will come to trolling for bass is catching one while walleye trolling. I have mostly been a shallow water fisherman who will dabble with deep cranks when the shallow bite is off. I would like to up my deepwater game in the future.
Structure aint just about deep water!
Structure start at the bank!
On 8/23/2016 at 8:59 PM, senile1 said:With side imaging and down imaging, many don't see a reason to take the time to troll and map a structure like Buck recommends. I, personally, agree with you. To get the best picture in your mind of how a particular structure element is laid out and how different pieces of cover are situated on that structure, trolling performed correctly can be very informative. However, I do use my sonar for mapping purposes when little time is available which is much of the time for me.
Could you imagine Buck Perry with side imagine/down imaging?
I used to troll a lot with Mud Bugs & Hellbenders!
J Francho reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 10:11 PM, Catt said:I used to troll a lot with Mud Bugs & Hellbenders!
Not those baits, but I used to troll quite a bit for smallies on a seemingly featureless area on Lake Ontario. My only cues were catches. Catch three in a spot, anchor up, and start dropping tubes. These days, the game has changed a bit with gobies, though what I've found with better graphing is that there ARE MEANINGFUL STRUCTURAL cues, and the bite is related to those and bait fish movements. Those structural elements are often huge, but within those elements are sub-structures, only located with modern graphing.
Buck would have been a monster with SI, lol.
Catt reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 10:17 PM, J Francho said:Not those baits, but I used to troll quite a bit for smallies on a seemingly featureless area on Lake Ontario.
When I first started fishing Toledo Bend I was clueless!
Faced with 190,000 acres of flooded timber we trolled parallel & as close as we were brave enough
WRB reply :
Ironically trolling ended for bass anglers about the time electric trolling motors became popular in the 70's.
Trolling deep diving crankbaits is still very effective and a good learning tool combined with structure knowledge and today's sonar units. Anytime I fish with a new bass angler and there is a crankbait bite, I troll the lures so they can get the feel of the lure and strikes.
With nearly every type of game fish trolling is a popular technique to locate and catch fish with. Because tournament anglers are not allowed to troll, trolling has become a forgotten technique with bass anglers.
Tom
J Francho reply :
Didn't they ban trolling BECAUSE of Buck and the other spoonpluggers' success?
WRB reply :
Never heard or read where spoon plugs/Buck Perry was tied to the no trolling for B.A.S.S. tournaments, but the timing is right.
Tom
J Francho reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 1:26 AM, WRB said:Never heard or read where spoon plugs/Buck Perry was tied to the no trolling for B.A.S.S. tournaments, but the timing is right.
Tom
Here's an article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=266&dat=19741023&id=V_ErAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FAYGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1298,5782445&hl=en
Paul Roberts reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 10:11 PM, Catt said:I used to troll a lot with Mud Bugs & Hellbenders!
I did that too!
scaleface reply :
I troll crankbaits and catch as many channel cats s bass . Man theres a lot of catfish in these parts .
WRB reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 1:38 AM, J Francho said:Here's an article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=266&dat=19741023&id=V_ErAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FAYGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1298,5782445&hl=en
Buck Perry thinks he influenced a ban on trolling during cash derby's or what we call bass tournements before B.A.S.S. sanctioned their 1st event in '67........interesting.
Tom
Team9nine reply :
On 8/23/2016 at 2:42 AM, WRB said:How many of you that own a spoon plug have caught a bass using them?
Tom
I own hundreds and catch plenty of bass using them 
both casting and trolling. They'll catch pretty much anything that swims...
On 8/22/2016 at 9:48 PM, cgolf said:Is this a good book to read and have on hand and possibly reread? I have a couple of older books, slider fishing and lunkers love nightcrawlers that I reread from time to time because they have a lot of good info in them. Should I pick this book up or pass on it?
Good to see Buck and Spoonplugging being discussed - and yes, buy/read the book - it's one that belongs in every fishing library.
-T9
J Francho reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 11:23 AM, WRB said:Buck Perry thinks he influenced a ban on trolling during cash derby's or what we call bass tournements before B.A.S.S. sanctioned their 1st event in '67........interesting.
Tom
Its also a bit self-serving. "My methods are so good, they banned them!"
Paul Roberts reply :
I was under the impression that trolling was banned bc of the space it requires. Why fly-fishing was banned I always wondered about. Not that it would be competitive.
J Francho reply :
16'-17' boats, rods over 8' aren't gonna work with two anglers. I don't think fly fishing is banned, the rod length limit precludes it.
Trolling is allowed in walleye tournaments. Almost as many boats in the pro events.
cgolf reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 10:28 PM, J Francho said:16-17 boats, rods over 8' aren't gonna work with two anglers. I don't think fly fishing is banned, the rod length limit precludes it.
Trolling is allowed in walleye tournaments. Almost as many boats in the pro events.
I believe that Sage made their bass fly rods 8 footers for this exact reason so that they could be used. At times I have fly fished for bass and done well on tough bites, and it really isn't that inefficient.
J Francho reply :
Actually, it's the only way I know to put a frog popper in the same patch of pads or slop, repeatedly without reeling in, recasting, and edging your bait into place.
senile1 reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 10:17 PM, J Francho said:Its also a bit self-serving. "My methods are so good, they banned them!"
In my reading, I've noticed that Buck could be a bit cocky, but then I guess he had reason to be.
WRB reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 10:28 PM, J Francho said:16'-17' boats, rods over 8' aren't gonna work with two anglers. I don't think fly fishing is banned, the rod length limit precludes it.
Trolling is allowed in walleye tournaments. Almost as many boats in the pro events.
8' rod length maximum came from Dee Thomas using 14' flipping rods, he also fished out of a 15' aluminum boat. Fenwick made Dee's first 8' flipping rod so he could continue compete in B.A.S.S. events. Getting off topic.
Buck Perry traveled the country promoting his Spoonplugs, I went to a seminar in the early 70's in Santa Monica Fred Hall Show and bought a set of Spoonplugs, don't recall if he was promoting his book back then. Trolling Bombers, Hellbenders or any deep diving lures work better for me. I knew about structure fishing, got my first green box Lawrance flasher in the early 60's long before I heard about Buck Perry, reading his book would have helped back then.
Tom
Team9nine reply :
On the trolling ban thing, I believe the primary answer is because when Ray Scott first started and devised the rules for his national B.A.S.S. events, he envisioned a competition where guys who didn't know each other were paired together in boats and competed "mano y mano," cast for cast, one lure each. Each angler was competing against all the other guys, and everyone's weight was an individual score - let the best man win. As such, there was no good way to implement trolling into the game and keep with the spirit of competition and fairness he sought. Since Ray and B.A.S.S. set the rules, most every other bass tourney organization that followed did the same.
If you take note of the professional tours for other species you'll see a difference. For example, the walleye guys (PWT, AIM, etc.) were always paired as a pro and a co-angler in the same boat, and had a shared weight system (work as a team, and the weight for the boat is the weight recorded for both the pro angler and the co-angler). Makes trolling and scoring fair for both partners. Even lower AAA levels like MWC are team events, fish with a "buddy." Similarly, nearly all professional crappie events are "team" events, where the team (both guys) get the same weight for the day. As such, trolling is a perfectly good tactic again, fair for all. Ray set the rules for bass competition, so that's how we play the game.
I think the Perry/Eisenhower thing really happened, but the timing was coincidental given it happening shortly before the formation of B.A.S.S. and their professional tourney circuit.
-T9
Oh, and Ray Scott once held a fly fishing B.A.S.S. tourney B.A.S.S.' fly rod tournaments preceded a trio of Invitationals in 1975. The events were B.A.S.S. founder Ray Scott's way of promoting fly fishing among the Micropterus crowd. Anglers earned points for the fly rod events that counted toward AOY. About the only rules for these one-day tournaments were that you had to use a conventional fly rod and reel and cast in a conventional fly-fishing manner. Lots of anglers unaccustomed to fly fishing used the long rods to throw small plastic worms and jigs....Ricky Green won one of them, and even Rick Clunn placed high in an event... and it was at a fly fishing conference where Ray first got the "catch and release" idea.
WRB reply :
Bass fishing derbies started long before Ray Scott came up with the All American bass tournaments. The problem Scott solved with the blind draw format was cheating that was common back in early derbies. No live bait, no trolling, 1 rod in the water couldn't use multiple rods at the same time and each angler shared running the boat 1/2 the time. 2 anglers fishing together that didn't know each other prevented cheating by caging bass. I believe trolling was considered as a low skill fishing method, prevented using multiple rods and Scott wanted the best bass anglers to fish his events.
Buck Perry developed lures that could be trolled at different speeds and maintain a specific depth that was a big advantage in deep structured lakes with river channels and ledges. Spoonplugs are a disadvantage casting to targets with heavy aquatic weed beds and docks that shore oriented bass anglers tend to focused on. Perry's understanding why bass located on structure and how he believed they moved along structure elements is what makes him a pioneer in bass fishing, not his lures or trolling methods.
Tom
J Francho reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 11:57 PM, WRB said:8' rod length maximum came from Dee Thomas using 14' flipping rods, he also fished out of a 15' aluminum boat. Fenwick made Dee's first 8' flipping rod so he could continue compete in B.A.S.S. events.
That rings a bell - jigger-poling. Forgot about that. Thanks!
Catt reply :
On 8/24/2016 at 11:57 PM, WRB said:8' rod length maximum came from Dee Thomas using 14' flipping rods, he also fished out of a 15' aluminum boat. Fenwick made Dee's first 8' flipping rod so he could continue compete in B.A.S.S. events. Getting off topic.
Tom
The issue with Dee Thomas's 14' rods was he had not reel on it!
http://bassfishingarchives.com/features/the-birth-of-the-flippin-stik-part-one
WRB reply :
Catt thanks for posting the article. Dee says his rods were 12' same length as his boat. I thought the boat and rods were 14' and remember seeing Dee and his boat with the long rods that looked like outrigger poles!
Getting way off topic, Dee's wife Terry passed away a few weeks ago, they were very close.
Tom
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