Can't Pitch/flip? 2024
FishChaser1 reply :
I've practiced a lot but no matter how hard i try, no line comes off the spool when i try to pitch/flip. I played around with the spool tension but it just doesn't work. What could i be doing wrong?
Glenn reply :
I'd fathom a guess you're turning the magnetic cast control on the palm side of the reel. Turn the other knob on the other side of the reel, just under the star drag.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 9:47 AM, Glenn said:I'd fathom a guess you're turning the magnetic cast control on the palm side of the reel. Turn the other knob on the other side of the reel, just under the star drag.
I agree, sounds like the spool tension knob is too tight.
Sam reply :
Change to a spinning rig and your problems will be solved.
Slade House reply :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebt_4Vq4hAA
watch this video , it changed everything for me. probalby the best video on the subject. also practice on your lawn.
Slade House reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 2:41 PM, Sam said:Change to a spinning rig and your problems will be solved.
HUH? say what? that's a joke right?
First off what kind of reel do you have? if you have a magnetic brake system, you need to to have it set lower than "6" if you have a centrifugal system have 3 or less of the things engaged. also you need to have something heavy enough to be pitching , and you need to have a long enough rod. 7ft at the minimum 7-6 to 8 ft is preferred.
K_Mac reply :
Sam's suggestion will solve the problem of the line not coming off the spool. Pitching with spinning gear has its own challenges though...
Pitching is not entry level technique. Go back to the fundamental setup of your reel. If it is set so that the bait will drop when the spool is released you should be able to pitch-at least short distances. Do your homework. There are countless articles and videos showing how. Using 3/8 ounce or more until you begin to figure it out will help.
Catch and Grease reply :
Practice and then once you think you've practiced enough, keep practicing.
kikstand454 reply :
When I first bought a baitcaster, I got a 3/8 jig the same day. And all I did for two weeks was pitch that jig down the hall into the kitchen. Hours at a time. Then I moved out to the back porch and did the same thing to a paper plate in the yard.
I got pretty good at it. I could pitch fairly well under docks and trees- and still couldn't cast any distance without backlashing. Lol.
Practice. Read articles and forums posts, watch videos- then practice more. Its a skill- you have to learn it.
Good luck!
Todd2 reply :
Not much of a flipper either...but learning to pitch makes all the difference. Of my 5 biggest fish this year, 4 came from pitching. Practice at home in the yard trying to hit targets.
J Francho reply :
When I teach people to use a baitcaster, pitching is the FIRST thing they learn to do. Follow the video links, and practice. Had my girlfriend pitching 10 yards in about a half hour.
Flippin....I have no idea what the problem there is, you don't use the reel to flip, unless you're reeling in a fish. Pull off enough line to make a flip, and engage the reel. From there, it's only pulling line from the stripping guide, and swinging the bait to the next spot.
As far as pitching and flipping with spinning go...it's just a casting technique, you can do it with any reel. In fact, I'd say I most often pitch my finesse baits unless I'm skipping. Even then, I can pitch-skip a bait with a spinning rod. It's worthwhile knowing how to do.
Glenn reply :
This may prove helpful:
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/pitching-accuracy-tips.html
FishChaser1 reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 9:47 AM, Glenn said:I'd fathom a guess you're turning the magnetic cast control on the palm side of the reel. Turn the other knob on the other side of the reel, just under the star drag.
No its the spool tension for sure, hahaha... Also I think it's something terribly wrong with my technique because it comes off the spool fine for regular casts.
I've watched many videos and have read articles but I just can't do what they say in real life
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 9/26/2014 at 1:03 AM, FishChaser1 said:No its the spool tension for sure, hahaha... Also I think it's something terribly wrong with my technique because it comes off the spool fine for regular casts.
I've watched many videos and have read articles but I just can't do what they say in real life
What reel? What line? What are you trying to pitch? There are other factors to consider that may help narrow down a potential issue as well,
You should most definitely be able to pitch, albeit even backlash results... Give a bit more info, and it's Likely you will glean even more helpful feedback , I am not trying to bust you're chops here, but I just can't imagine why you're having trouble pitching or flipping.. What rod?
Jaderose reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 2:54 PM, Slade House said:HUH? say what? that's a joke right?
First off what kind of reel do you have? if you have a magnetic brake system, you need to to have it set lower than "6" if you have a centrifugal system have 3 or less of the things engaged. also you need to have something heavy enough to be pitching , and you need to have a long enough rod. 7ft at the minimum 7-6 to 8 ft is preferred.
I don't understand this "longer is better" mentality. An 8ft fishing pole? I have a 6ft and a 6.5 fter and I can pitch and flip and haul em outta the weeds. I'm not slagging anyone's choice of gear but the idea that you MUST HAVE A MINIMUM of 7ft is ludicrous. I could skip and flip and pitch with a 5'6" cheap pole with a Zebco. It ain't about the gear....it's about the skill.
kikstand454 reply :
Agreed. I pitch my kids 5'6" zebco under branches all the time for her and then let her reel in the bream.
Unless you're talking about flipping, in which case a longer rod is more advantageous. But, you still COULD flip with a much shorter rod.....
OroBass reply :
Longer rods provide a longer fulcrum. Not mandatory but definitely advantageous! Also longer rods provide better leverage for the short, boxing match fights that usually take place while flipping.
everythingthatswims reply :
On 9/26/2014 at 2:33 AM, Jaderose said:I don't understand this "longer is better" mentality. An 8ft fishing pole? I have a 6ft and a 6.5 fter and I can pitch and flip and haul em outta the weeds. I'm not slagging anyone's choice of gear but the idea that you MUST HAVE A MINIMUM of 7ft is ludicrous. I could skip and flip and pitch with a 5'6" cheap pole with a Zebco. It ain't about the gear....it's about the skill.
You must fish some pretty light cover. And a 1/2oz flipping jig with a big stout hook is the reason I feel I need a med heavy or heavy 7' plus rod with at least 20lb mono/fluoro *(you can't set the hook with lighter rods)*
Edited by everythingthatswimsAlonerankin2 reply :
On 9/26/2014 at 2:33 AM, Jaderose said:I don't understand this "longer is better" mentality. An 8ft fishing pole? I have a 6ft and a 6.5 fter and I can pitch and flip and haul em outta the weeds. I'm not slagging anyone's choice of gear but the idea that you MUST HAVE A MINIMUM of 7ft is ludicrous. I could skip and flip and pitch with a 5'6" cheap pole with a Zebco. It ain't about the gear....it's about the skill.
Do you even know what you're saying? Have you ever even pitched or flipped in moderate to heavy soft cover ( hydrilla, pads. Milfoil, etc.) ever pull out a really big LMB with 4 to 5 Pds of hydrilla?
The Rod , Reel & Line must absolutely be strong in order to achieve the basics of the 2 techniques.
How about using 1 & 2 oz weights try that on you're panfish outfit...
A strong 6'6" rod will get it done... But I use 7' .. 7'5".. And 7'11" sticks, all heavy, all moderate/
fast actions.... 20 to 25 pd hybrid or CXX
Sorry, but Strength is essential to flipping and pitching. You can have marginal skill sets with strong equipment and be successful, weak equipment and great skills? Well good luck with that...
Jaderose reply :
Are those poles ADVANTAGEOUS? Sure.....I didn't say they weren't. I'm just saying that they are not ABSOLUTELY crucial to successfully Flip or pitch. And yes, I've pulled 7-8 lb bass out of some pretty thick cover. I didn't say I had cheap equipment...I don't. At least to me it isn't. I flip 1/2 oz jigs into cover all the time on a 6'6" pole. I can also skip pretty well with either of them. Not everyone can afford to have 6 different poles for every technique. Heck, not everyone even believes it's necessary.
As far as this quote.."But I use 7' .. 7'5".. And 7'11" sticks, all heavy, all moderate/
fast actions.... 20 to 25 pd hybrid or CXX "
Well.....ok then. I don't. Nor do I feel like I have to tell a guy so new to bass fishing that he can't get his reel set up properly that he has all the wrong gear. He needs help..not a lecture. My .02
p.s. Although I do use 20 lb slick braid. Love it
tcbass reply :
Don't feel bad, pitching and flipping are two techniques that I wasn't able to master this year. Hopefully practice in the winter and be good in the spring.
starcraft1 reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 2:54 PM, Slade House said:HUH? say what? that's a joke right?
First off what kind of reel do you have? if you have a magnetic brake system, you need to to have it set lower than "6" if you have a centrifugal system have 3 or less of the things engaged. also you need to have something heavy enough to be pitching , and you need to have a long enough rod. 7ft at the minimum 7-6 to 8 ft is preferred.
Dead on the money Sam. Couldn't have said it better. I have my BAIT CASTER set on as free as possible without turning the knob off the reel.
A standard FLIP should only be 10' to 15', while a PITCH can be as far as you want to.
kikstand454 reply :
Hahahhaha. .... everytime one of these threads come up, I get to laugh at people not knowing the difference between pitching and flipping, and the situations they're used in.
It makes me giggle.
Just keep practicing OP! You'll get it!
FishChaser1 reply :
Alright guys, i guess i'll just keep trying... I've already said it's not anything with my reel settings, don't know why some people keep insisting it is, I can see my reel right in front of me..
J Francho reply :
Pitch, Flip, and Flip-Punch casts:
CarolinaBoy4Life reply :
When pitching/flipping it is better to use heavy rated rod when going in the thick stuff. Just as you would use a 4X4 truck in thick rough areas. Would a 2WD work? Probably but it will also eventually get stuck and couldnt do the work like a 4X4 could. Same with a rod the smaller rod may work but it will eventually break. It's not meant for the application you are using it in. I recommend a 7'6 H but that's my preference. A 7ft H or MH depending on cover would also work.
Catch and Grease reply :
On 9/27/2014 at 12:36 AM, FishChaser1 said:Alright guys, i guess i'll just keep trying... I've already said it's not anything with my reel settings, don't know why some people keep insisting it is, I can see my reel right in front of me..
Because if there is no line coming off the spool when you attempt to pitch it is most likely your reel settings...
J Francho reply :
On 9/27/2014 at 3:20 AM, CarolinaBoy4Life said:When pitching/flipping it is better to use heavy rated rod when going in the thick stuff. Just as you would use a 4X4 truck in thick rough areas. Would a 2WD work? Probably but it will also eventually get stuck and couldnt do the work like a 4X4 could. Same with a rod the smaller rod may work but it will eventually break. It's not meant for the application you are using it in. I recommend a 7'6 H but that's my preference. A 7ft H or MH depending on cover would also work.
There are a couple situations where a shorter rod helps, with a slightly less heavy rating. I've switched to a stout, fast action MH/H Loomis 804 for docks and wood - places where the pitch is pretty short, and weed cover is light. Two years ago, I would have sworn up and down to use a 7-6 H or XH like I did, or go home, but on the recommendation of a friend, I tried the little rod. You sometimes have to to do "weird" things with your rod to get fish out of wood or from around dock pilings, and the shorter rod helps. Plus, the slightly softer power helps keep pressure on the fish when they are on a short leash. By short, I mean like 8' of line out - really close combat. In fact, that's, the rod in the vid above.
Other than that, something 7-4 to 8' is my preference for pitching to weed cover. Probably shorter for pitching, and on the longer side for flipping, though I don't do a ton of flipping.
Anyway, A big stick is never wrong, but I did want to mention on situation that I've since learned to specialize in using something different than the usual recommendation. Before that I always wondered what the heck anyone would want a Jig 'n Worm rod under 7', lol.
CarolinaBoy4Life reply :
On 9/27/2014 at 3:37 AM, J Francho said:There are a couple situations where a shorter rod helps, with a slightly less heavy rating. I've switched to a stout, fast action MH/H Loomis 804 for docks and wood - places where the pitch is pretty short, and weed cover is light. Two years ago, I would have sworn up and down to use a 7-6 H or XH like I did, or go home, but on the recommendation of a friend, I tried the little rod. You sometimes have to to do "weird" things with your rod to get fish out of wood or from around dock pilings, and the shorter rod helps. Plus, the slightly softer power helps keep pressure on the fish when they are on a short leash. By short, I mean like 8' of line out - really close combat. In fact, that's, the rod in the vid above.
Other than that, something 7-4 to 8' is my preference for pitching to weed cover. Probably shorter for pitching, and on the longer side for flipping, though I don't do a ton of flipping.
Anyway, A big stick is never wrong, but I did want to mention on situation that I've since learned to specialize in using something different than the usual recommendation. Before that I always wondered what the heck anyone would want a Jig 'n Worm rod under 7', lol.
I agree 100%
J Francho reply :
Anyway, OP, when you hold you rod out parallel to the ground, and disengage your spool, does the lure drop to the ground when you let go of it?
everythingthatswims reply :
On 9/25/2014 at 2:54 PM, Slade House said:HUH? say what? that's a joke right?
First off what kind of reel do you have? if you have a magnetic brake system, you need to to have it set lower than "6" if you have a centrifugal system have 3 or less of the things engaged. also you need to have something heavy enough to be pitching , and you need to have a long enough rod. 7ft at the minimum 7-6 to 8 ft is preferred.
Some people think the only spinning rods made are for drop shotting...You can get a very stout spinning rod and put 50lb braid on it, people fish setups like that in saltwater all the time, and do stuff that would make pulling a 10lb largemouth out of a laydown look like a game!
K_Mac reply :
For me pitching is not just a heavy cover technique. It is far more about accurate, quiet placement of my bait, especially in difficult to get to spots. A 6'8" or 7' MXF (1/4-5/8 lure rating) are my favorite rods for this when cover will allow. I have a 7'3" HM to use when heavy is required...
J Franco starting a novice baitcast user out pitching is probably a good idea. It took me way too many years to learn how to do it well. It was only when I started fishing with a guy who really knew how that I realized how much I had to learn. Knowing what is possible has caused me to get much better. I can catch fish now that were out of reach a couple of years ago.
Lunker5 reply :
I fish 6.5 ft fast action rod pitch& flip jigs,creatures all day.the gear dont matter it's skill. What I did was went in yard started with super big gulp cup pitched to it until I could consistantly land in cup.then I moved to one little smaller and so on until I could pitch to a shot glass in winter I was in living room. If you want to get good you have to put time in.
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