Zman TRD 2024
Brett's_daddy reply :
I've heard that you should stretch out the Zman TRD baits and run them under water to rinse some of the salt out of them so they will stand up better on the mushroom jig...is this true or does it not make much difference?
Scott F reply :
None of the TRDs I bought have any salt on them. Did you get some with salt? The zinker z baits are salted.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Sounds like you're thinking of the Zinker.
tander reply :
I think they may have some salt because I test every pack in a bowel of water to see if they float. There is always some that will sink to the bottom. I take these and do what you are talking about, stretch them and run them over warm water until they do float.
Team9nine reply :
TRD's have salt. From Daniel Nussbaum, Z-Man Fishing Products general manager, via Ned:
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“The main reason why we include salt in our baits is to decrease the buoyancy of the baits or even make them sink, in the case of the ZinkerZ. ElaZtech will sink at around a 40-percent salt content, and at 45 percent salt, the ZinkerZ are designed to sink out of the package at a rate similar to other stickbaits on the market. Adding salt also increases the weight of bait. For instance, we manufacture the Fatty Z with a 25-percent salt content because it provides more casting weight than the 15-percent salt content of our Finesse WormZ, giving it a slightly faster sink rate with a 1/8 ounce jig, and allowing it to sit on the bottom at close to a 45-degree angle when it affixed to a Texas-style slip-sinker rig or fished on a shaky head jig; the Finesse WormZ ,on the other hand, will stand up straight.
“When we started making the Hula StickZ and Finesse T.R.D., we sought to vary the salt content and hardness of the material to create the buoyancy, texture, and feel of a well-worn 2 1/2-inch ZinkerZ right out of the package. All of our material hardness factors are proprietary, but with the 30-percent salt content and softer ElaZtech formulation used in the Hula StickZ and Finesse T.R.D., we have created a pretty good balance. Thus, right out of the pack, these baits should float off the bottom and sink at a slow rate, while offering the softness and texture that is ideal for Midwest finesse fishing.
“Because the ZinkerZ contain 50 percent more salt than the Finesse T.R.D. and Hula StickZ, it actually becomes more fragile over time because there is less ElaZtech and more pores. All things being equal, a Finesse T.R.D. will last longer than a 2 1/2-inch ZinkerZ."
Bass_Fanatic reply :
The TRD does have salt in it. Just stretch it some and rub the salt out.
Brett's_daddy reply :
Do you have to rub the salt out even? It sounds like it's made that way for a reason. I just don't want to alter the product unless it's truly necessary.
Bass_Fanatic reply :
Fill your sink up with water and throw a TRD in it. Then stretch it and rub the salt out and put it back in the sink. It floats much better with no salt.
tander reply :
On 7/2/2016 at 2:59 AM, Brett's_daddy said:Do you have to rub the salt out even? It sounds like it's made that way for a reason. I just don't want to alter the product unless it's truly necessary.
Doesn't hurt it, just makes it better, makes it stand tail up on the bottom.
Last_Cast reply :
On 7/2/2016 at 4:22 AM, Bass_Fanatic said:Fill your sink up with water and throw a TRD in it. Then stretch it and rub the salt out and put it back in the sink. It floats much better with no salt.
i like to stretch the "tail" this way it sticks up
boostr reply :
Hm, I was wondering why a couple of TRDs wouldn't stand up.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 3:52 AM, boostr said:Hm, I was wondering why a couple of TRDs wouldn't stand up.
Must need more fiber! 
cgolf reply :
On 7/1/2016 at 10:09 PM, Team9nine said:TRD's have salt. From Daniel Nussbaum, Z-Man Fishing Products general manager, via Ned:
So I guess I am not crazy when I thought that a desalted Zinkerz had more action than the TRD. I actually prefer the Zinkerz over the TRD because of this, they also feel softer too, not that the fish would notice that.
On 7/7/2016 at 3:52 AM, boostr said:Hm, I was wondering why a couple of TRDs wouldn't stand up.
All joking aside, I had the same issue, I had originally thought that they were supposed to be more buoyant than a Zinkerz, I got learned on that one.
S. Sass reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 3:52 AM, boostr said:Hm, I was wondering why a couple of TRDs wouldn't stand up.
v I a g r a ? 
1201vilbig reply :
I just buy a bag of Zoom Original Trick Worms. The "Originals" have no salt added. 20 to a bag, cut off the head & tail to your desired length - 40 baits. You're welcome.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 11:10 AM, 1201vilbig said:I just buy a bag of Zoom Original Trick Worms. The "Originals" have no salt added. 20 to a bag, cut off the head & tail to your desired length - 40 baits. You're welcome.
And a pack of TRD's will still outlast them by a long shot.
OCdockskipper reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 11:43 AM, Bluebasser86 said:And a pack of TRD's will still outlast them by a long shot.
X2
1201vilbig reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 11:43 AM, Bluebasser86 said:And a pack of TRD's will still outlast them by a long shot.
Maybe so, but I don't have to soak, rub or stretch. Not counting they're $2.99 at my local Walmart several times a year.
On a totally unrelated note, the Berkley Powerbait Twitch Tail Minnow works awesome if you like to swim it.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 12:56 PM, 1201vilbig said:Maybe so, but I don't have to soak, rub or stretch. Not counting they're $2.99 at my local Walmart several times a year.
On a totally unrelated note, the Berkley Powerbait Twitch Tail Minnow works awesome if you like to swim it.
I don't do anything with my TRD's, just fish them. The fish do plenty of rubbing and stretching 
I'm not worried if mine float, they rarely hit the bottom or stop moving anyways.
The Power Minnow was my original Ned Rig before I knew what a Ned Rig was 
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 12:56 PM, 1201vilbig said:Maybe so, but I don't have to soak, rub or stretch. Not counting they're $2.99 at my local Walmart several times a year.
On a totally unrelated note, the Berkley Powerbait Twitch Tail Minnow works awesome if you like to swim it.
Ive never done any of that fwiw and they work fine for me. Nothing is more durable this side of shoe leather though!!
JPascavage52 reply :
Heck with water, not sure if there is any reason not to do this, but, as with other soft plastics, I've been "marinating" my TRDs in attractant, usually some dr juice tournament bass, or some of the bang garlic scent. Works great, gives it a nice texture, and it still stands just as it's supposed to.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 9:07 PM, JPascavage52 said:Heck with water, not sure if there is any reason not to do this, but, as with other soft plastics, I've been "marinating" my TRDs in attractant, usually some dr juice tournament bass, or some of the bang garlic scent. Works great, gives it a nice texture, and it still stands just as it's supposed to.
Just don't use JJ's! You'll come back to a soupy science experiment looking scenario lol
S. Sass reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 9:41 PM, Master Bait'r said:
Just don't use JJ's! You'll come back to a soupy science experiment looking scenario lol
I've heard that comment before but a recent post here had pictures and comment to the contrary. I don't know what is 100% accurate.
Have you actually tried this, are you commenting from your actual experience. Or from internet reading etc?
JPascavage52 reply :
Just did a quick search, and they say that using JJS on Zman plastics will dissolve them. Don't have any real life evidence or experience to say whether or not this is true lol.
But, I found this bag of black senkos from last year that I must've had sitting in Dr. Juice. The stuff is starting to solidify and turn gooey, and it stinks to high heaven. Strangely, it seems to be like a magnet to bass.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 10:01 PM, S. Sass said:I've heard that comment before but a recent post here had pictures and comment to the contrary. I don't know what is 100% accurate.
Have you actually tried this, are you commenting from your actual experience. Or from internet reading etc?
If what you're doin works, why change?
fishwizzard reply :
I just glued up a batch of Neds for the weekend. I swear they must have reformulated the TRDs at some point, as some of them feel very soft and stretchy, like a zinker, while some of the newer ones are much more firm and less elastic.
In any case, I am giving up both the zinkers and TRDs and moving to cut-down hula stickz. They seem to be the sweet spot in terms of firm/softness for me.
Bass Turd reply :
Be careful gluing too many up or fishing and keeping them rigged. The light wire hook tends to rust pretty quickly and break.
fishwizzard reply :
Hah, yea. But in this case, I am taking my GF wade fishing this weekend, so between the two of us I suspect we will snag and loose most of what I prepped today.
1201vilbig reply :
Just saw on Bassmaster that for iCast, there will be a bigger 4" TRD along with a 3/0 Shroom head.
beardown34 reply :
On 7/8/2016 at 6:38 AM, Bass Turd said:Be careful gluing too many up or fishing and keeping them rigged. The light wire hook tends to rust pretty quickly and break.
Do you mean the hooks are significantly more likely on break if you keep a plastic rigged on it? I usually keep 3 ned rigs all pre-rigged in my tackle box.
jtharris3 reply :
I just take them out of the bag, throw it on the jig and fish it! No muss, no fuss. Simple as that.
Bass Turd reply :
I have had some hooks break. They were on jigs I had fished the previous week and didn't take the plastic off. I assume it is because of the salt and are such light wire. I've found the keeper on the Z Mann jigs will keep the bait on so I don't super glue any more. It doesn't look "perfect" but the fish don't care. I rig the night before with fresh plastic and take it off after the trip and rinse the jig head. They seem to be lasting longer. I live in a humid environment so that's another reason I don't keep them rigged in a box in the boat anymore.
boostr reply :
On 7/7/2016 at 10:01 PM, S. Sass said:I've heard that comment before but a recent post here had pictures and comment to the contrary. I don't know what is 100% accurate.
Have you actually tried this, are you commenting from your actual experience. Or from internet reading etc?
It's happened to me. Forgot about it and dipped in JJ's, dissolved like pouring gasoline on Styrofoam.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/8/2016 at 9:48 AM, 1201vilbig said:Just saw on Bassmaster that for iCast, there will be a bigger 4" TRD along with a 3/0 Shroom head.
I can feel the bait monkey's grip on me now! Aaaaaaargh!!! Someone help!!!
fishwizzard reply :
I do not understand the 4" TRD. It is super close to a Hula Stick and only an inch shorter then a zlinker. The jighead is more or less the same as the several already on the market aimed at hulagrubs.
cgolf reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 7:53 AM, Bunnielab said:I do not understand the 4" TRD. It is super close to a Hula Stick and only an inch shorter then a zlinker. The jighead is more or less the same as the several already on the market aimed at hulagrubs.
I think they are going after the crowd that refuses to believe the a little TRD or half Zinkerz could catch anything of size. The only reason I might try it, is cut it in half you have a 2" bait vs a 2.5". Really don't see the need for a bubba sized TRD though, but I betcha they sell a lot of them. This will be for the Texas finesse club;) We Midwest guys and gals can continue to catch our smaller bass on the Ned rig.
thebillsman reply :
Caught my first fish on a ned rig tonight. I was pretty impressed by the hook. Nervous I would bend it not using a light outfit.
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 8:51 AM, cgolf said:I think they are going after the crowd that refuses to believe the a little TRD or half Zinkerz could catch anything of size. The only reason I might try it, is cut it in half you have a 2" bait vs a 2.5". Really don't see the need for a bubba sized TRD though, but I betcha they sell a lot of them. This will be for the Texas finesse club;) We Midwest guys and gals can continue to catch our smaller bass on the Ned rig.
That sounds likely. Good on them for making money, but elaztech is such a cool material, I wish they made more lures that took advantage of it.
I would just love a version of their current tube, but solid. You could trim both the body and the skirt how ever you liked, giving a super flexible bait.
Team9nine reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 9:23 AM, Bunnielab said:That sounds likely. Good on them for making money, but elaztech is such a cool material, I wish they made more lures that took advantage of it.
I would just love a version of their current tube, but solid. You could trim both the body and the skirt how ever you liked, giving a super flexible bait.
If you mean a solid body tube that can be fished on the same jig heads, that's being released at ICAST next week from what I've been told 
...and yes, the 4" TRD and 3/0 jig head is going after the shaky head (and traditional/tourney bassin') crowd. They're even using Ned's term and referring to it as a "power finesse" bait.
-T9
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 9:46 AM, Team9nine said:If you mean a solid body tube that can be fished on the same jig heads, that's being released at ICAST next week from what I've been told
...and yes, the 4" TRD and 3/0 jig head is going after the shaky head (and traditional/tourney bassin') crowd. They're even using Ned's term and referring to it as a "power finesse" bait.
-T9
Damm, that is good news. I use the hula sticks almost exclusively now, but cut them down to 3-2.5". I always agonize over what to do with the cut off "stumps". I have tried stretching them out a ton and gluing them to small panfish jigs, but I can't say that they are any more effective then a small grub.
I get the power finesse angle, but that new lure is so close to a Hula Stick, it seems like they could have just marketed it in that role without having to get a new mold up and running. I still want my elaztech ribbon-tail worm. Or a small beaver-style bait. Or some a split-belly version of their minnows.
cgolf reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 9:46 AM, Team9nine said:If you mean a solid body tube that can be fished on the same jig heads, that's being released at ICAST next week from what I've been told
...and yes, the 4" TRD and 3/0 jig head is going after the shaky head (and traditional/tourney bassin') crowd. They're even using Ned's term and referring to it as a "power finesse" bait.
-T9
Didn't one of the Midwest finesse guys come up with the TRD tube? That one looks like a winner.
Coonedawg reply :
On 7/8/2016 at 9:48 AM, 1201vilbig said:Just saw on Bassmaster that for iCast, there will be a bigger 4" TRD along with a 3/0 Shroom head.
I've been able to get my hands on the Big TRD. They definitely catch fish like the smaller TRD does.
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/9/2016 at 9:46 AM, Team9nine said:If you mean a solid body tube that can be fished on the same jig heads, that's being released at ICAST next week from what I've been told
I finally had a chance to hunt up a picture:
Man, if these things are half and good as I hope they will be, I am going to buy a million of these suckers.
desmobob reply :
On 7/8/2016 at 9:48 AM, 1201vilbig said:Just saw on Bassmaster that for iCast, there will be a bigger 4" TRD along with a 3/0 Shroom head.
I just knew there would be a bigger TRD coming... I had hoped it would be a 2X or 3X version of the existing one; not just a longer one. Something with similar dimensions to the TRD but just giant-sized. Oh well...
Tight lines,
Bob
Master Bait'r reply :
I think the bigger TRD setup will be really nice to have. Right between the NED and a shaky head sort of deal. Also the pattern separation let's you know when to turn the hook up, which can be tough with Elaztech. I would fish the heck out of that!
On 7/10/2016 at 7:30 AM, desmobob said:I just knew there would be a bigger TRD coming... I had hoped it would be a 2X or 3X version of the existing one; not just a longer one. Something with similar dimensions to the TRD but just giant-sized. Oh well...
Tight lines,
Bob
Give it time, it's a lucrative bait market so I'm sure they will be making ALL KINDS of Ned variations in the coming years. I would love a 5" fat TRD and accompanying heads though!
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