Why I Use A Leader ...... 2024
Maico1 reply :
Mr. Tooth roams the waters.....This 5lb.12oz. inhaled my frog leaving me to believe I had a good size bass on board boy was I wrong. So the blood you see is from my left thumb which was torn while I was getting the frog unhooked......Nice teeth.
JD96 reply :
I hate those things. I don't know if it's legal or not but I always kill them.
MichiganFishing1997 reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 11:00 AM, JD96 said:I hate those things. I don't know if it's legal or not but I always kill them.
I know that they can be an issue for bass fisherman but that seems a little careless. Theyre part of the ecosystem just like all the other fish. Plus you dont even know if its legal. You should probably at least educate yourself before doing things like that. Just my 2 cents.
JD96 reply :
Ok well I fish a private lake 95% of the time because its in my community. Fun lake. But those toothy fish are problematic since they eat so much of the food that bass need.
I've always been taught fishing since I was little that in the private lake anything with teeth dies. And it's easier to get a lure out of a dead fish. Not risking my safety to release a fish that I hate anyway.
aquaholic reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 11:00 AM, JD96 said:I hate those things. I don't know if it's legal or not but I always kill them.
This is just dumb.
clayton86 reply :
I've become the pickerel whisperer it seems lately I've hit delta lake here in CNY probably 6 times in the last week and a half I've caught 50+ pickerel and northerns and all of 4 bass not one over 8" lol. I had a pick destroy a spro baby popper last week same way as yours it sounds this one got my pinky pretty good. I hate the fish too but I don't kill them just because but I don't go taking extra care of them like I will a bass that's been out of the water a long time due to a deep hook.
whakx reply :
Havn't ran into a northern yet but we catch chain pickerel here all the time. Anything with flash seems to get them really excited, they tear cheaper spinnerbaits to shreds lol. We've also discovered they have a taste for soft plastic lizard baits.
BradH reply :
It's not hard. Just carry a few extra tools and a decent net in the boat that make it easier to unhook the fish. For those of you that are afraid of pike and feel the need to kill them I'm sure there's room in your purse next to your tampons for some jaw spreaders and what not.
Maico1 reply :
For me it is just as important to get the Pike back in the water as it is the Bass.....
flyfisher reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 12:36 PM, JD96 said:Ok well I fish a private lake 95% of the time because its in my community. Fun lake. But those toothy fish are problematic since they eat so much of the food that bass need.
I've always been taught fishing since I was little that in the private lake anything with teeth dies. And it's easier to get a lure out of a dead fish. Not risking my safety to release a fish that I hate anyway.
Ignorance is bliss apparently...private or not unless you own the entire lake I would think you are being careless and selfish.
And just curious but do you have studies confirming your theory of "they eat so much of re food that bass need"
Other than of course what you think is happening with no substantiation.
RAMBLER reply :
You should check your state regulations about pike. In a lot of states they are a regulated game fish. There is a size and bag limit on pike. Kill any and throw them back, if a warden sees you, they count toward your limit. Purposely killing an undersized pike, I believe in some states is, the same as taking one undersized. It can be expensive, and if considered serious enough, be reason to lose your license.
Just because you don't like them is not a reason to disobey the law.
Mike2841 reply :
I like pickerel they put up a bigger fight than LMB
Quitlimpin reply :
Looks like a blast to me. As bad as the fishing has been here lately I'd be stoked to even have the opportunity to catch another species while bass fishing--teeth or not.
tbone1993 reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 6:30 PM, clayton86 said:I've become the pickerel whisperer it seems lately I've hit delta lake here in CNY probably 6 times in the last week and a half I've caught 50+ pickerel and northerns and all of 4 bass not one over 8" lol. I had a pick destroy a spro baby popper last week same way as yours it sounds this one got my pinky pretty good. I hate the fish too but I don't kill them just because but I don't go taking extra care of them like I will a bass that's been out of the water a long time due to a deep hook.
You want a band aid or something? Ive had worse paper cuts lol. Rub some dirt in it and get back to fishing
J Francho reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 11:00 AM, JD96 said:I hate those things. I don't know if it's legal or not but I always kill them.
Remove one ten pound pike from a population, and you have reversed six years of year class growth. Keep doing it, and you'll soon be overpopulated by annoying hammer handle pikes. The largest fish in a pike population feed upon the smallest; in fact they rely on it. More larger pike in a population, less smaller pike. You do the math. Makes zero sense to kill all you catch (or any for that matter, though the 5-8 lb. fish taste great) if you're concerned with your "private pond" and these pests, you might want to rethink your strategy.
powerduster reply :
There is no reason to fear them as they lack the jaw power to do any serious harm. I always keep a small pair of pliers and towel in my back pocket, both to get a good grip and reach tricky spots; other than that, I usually don't need em. I really don't mind catching other species, especially pickerel and pike as they put up a stronger and longer fight than any bass I've caught. Other then the teeth, what not to like?
JD96 reply :
Y'all know more than me about it. Looks like I will be changing my ways when dealing with the fiesty fishes. Fortunately they're pretty rare where I fish. I'm not getting cut over a fish that's for sure.
MarkH024 reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 3:10 AM, JD96 said:Y'all know more than me about it. Looks like I will be changing my ways when dealing with the fiesty fishes. Fortunately they're pretty rare where I fish. I'm not getting cut over a fish that's for sure.
If you have a pair of good long needle nose pliers there is no reason to get cut. Forceps would work too but I don't find them any easier than using pliers. Pike plague the waters I fish, you learn to deal with them. And, it's rewarding to catch a nice big one here and there. They put up a good fight unless they get tail wrapped which happens occasionally and they have excellent burst speed so the runs next to the boat are always fun.
L a r r y reply :
On 8/28/2013 at 8:55 PM, BradH said:I'm sure there's room in your purse next to your tampons for some jaw spreaders and what not.
Thank you for making me spit water all over my monitor
Grizzn N Bassin reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 3:39 AM, L a r r y said:
On 8/28/2013 at 8:55 PM, BradH said:I'm sure there's room in your purse next to your tampons for some jaw spreaders and what not.
Thank you for making me spit water all over my monitor
i feel the same way hahaha!!!!!
RyneB reply :
I have fallen victim to the toothy critters a few times. The worst incident was when I landed a 38 incher on a lizard. It shook out of my grasp, cut my hand and in the scuffle, my buddy fell and got a Rapala stuck into his behind. I don't mind catching them, but they are just really slimy.
ww2farmer reply :
I like pike just fine. They have their place in the food chain............THE TOP. The best bass lakes I know of have lots of big pike. Plus they fight better than bass, and they will rip the rod out of your hand when they strike. It's annoying to lose lures to them, and I myself had to go to the ER this spring to get a badly chewed up thumb glued back together. But many a bad day of bass fishing has been saved by willing pike, and I, unless I am in a tournament or they just swiped my stuff, enjoy them for what they are.
JD96 reply :
After reading and seeing bloody pictures about pike biting, why do ya'll defend them, I admitted I was wrong but they're pests, I don't fish for pike, and I have been taught by my dad that they don't belong in our lake, which is private, and I've always seen them being killed and heard about it, in a stocked manmade, the pike were not put in the lake, someone else did it.
I will not kill anymore pike, but I guarantee if I'm at risk of getting cut up I will disregard the fish, if that means I carry a purse and tampons then so be it.
EvanT123 reply :
If you worried about getting cut up buy a pair of mechanic gloves and remove the hook with a pair of needle nose like said above. To me a fish is a fish and I'm happy. especially one that looks like this.
aquaholic reply :
They arent pests just because they have teeth. Lots of fish have teeth and will make you pay for mistakes. Heck a catfish can do some damage. its says your favorite lake is oconee, so i will assume you are in georgia. chances are its not even pike. I dont think pike go that far south.
Brian Needham reply :
to the OP ......what does a leader solve here? (unless it is a steel leader)
BradH reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 9:19 AM, JD96 said:why do ya'll defend them
Because they CAN draw blood. I get annoyed by risk-averse, boring people with no sense of adventure I meet every day. I'd hate to see fishermen get that way too. Pike fishing just suits me.
Because they can get quite a bit bigger than a bass. MUCH bigger.
Because they don't know what quitting is.
Do an internet search for pike handling techniques. There is a ton of stuff out there.
It's the little two footers that hook you with a mouth full of trebles. Give them the same respect you'd give a big one.
JD96 reply :
Only toothed fish I have caught in the past 2 years was a 2.5 foot toothed jackfish or whatever, it ate my lure, and I was with my dad, I was instructed to kill it, killed it.
Caylub reply :
How far south are pike be found?
Snakehead Whisperer reply :
This is about the most ignorant thing I've read on BR in a long time. Here's a rant...On 8/29/2013 at 9:19 AM, JD96 said:After reading and seeing bloody pictures about pike biting, why do ya'll defend them, I admitted I was wrong but they're pests, I don't fish for pike, and I have been taught by my dad that they don't belong in our lake, which is private, and I've always seen them being killed and heard about it, in a stocked manmade, the pike were not put in the lake, someone else did it.
I will not kill anymore pike, but I guarantee if I'm at risk of getting cut up I will disregard the fish, if that means I carry a purse and tampons then so be it.
Bass aren't some superfish to be put on a pedestal above all others. Pike and related species (most likely chain pickerel where you're fishing) are an ancient freshwater fish that are found in just about all freshwater in the northern hemisphere (e.g. Russia, Mongolia, Europe, etc.) The pike and related species are crucial to the balance of the ecosystem where they exist, and are a ferocious apex predator above the bass. Don't hate the fish because it's capable of messing you up. It's a creature that should be respected and admired for what it is. Do you also think we should exterminate Orcas because they eat seals? Or all the bees because they sting?
Fish are living animals and they all have a place in the world. There are already far too many threats to their habitat without people killing them for no reason. Pike are probably more important to this planet than any of us give them credit for. Show them respect please.
Also, your private lake most likely has pickerel in it from natural causes (flooding, birds transporting eggs, etc.) I doubt somebody threw the fish in there.
There are pickerel as far south as Florida.On 8/29/2013 at 10:38 AM, Caylub said:How far south are pike be found?
JD96 reply :
I said I wouldn't kill anymore and I have learned something so y'all pike lovers can relax.
And bass are a super fish they're the most awesome fish in the world and they don't have teeth. There is no pike pro circuit. They are pretty gnarly but I don't like catching them. Bass are the best.
Snakehead Whisperer reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 10:48 AM, JD96 said:I said I wouldn't kill anymore and I have learned something so y'all pike lovers can relax.
And bass are a super fish they're the most awesome fish in the world and they don't have teeth. There is no pike pro circuit. They are pretty gnarly but I don't like catching them. Bass are the best.
I'll just leave this here...
http://www.promusky.com/
http://www.professionalmuskieanglercircuit.com/
It's all good man. I just get upset about people hurting fish that aren't being harvested for food.
EvanT123 reply :
Needham got this thread back on track. Anyone that fishes a northeastern lake may or will encounter pike and a leader 1. Will help you land that fish 2. Will save your lure. Macio proved that point. Quite nicely.
JD96 I understand you feelings on bass. They are my favorite but as discussed above all species serve a purpose and should be respected and managed accordingly.
JD96 reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 10:54 AM, Snakehead Whisperer said:I'll just leave this here...
http://www.promusky.com/
http://www.professionalmuskieanglercircuit.com/
It's all good man. I just get upset about people hurting fish that aren't being harvested for food.
I only dislike toothy fish in my lake because I work a lot and can't afford my own bass boat being 16, I don't live on Oconee anymore so the electric only private lake and a 14 foot V hull boat is my limit. It's fun but nowhere near as fun as a big lake. And the tooth fish are just frustrating to catch, I don't kill them for fun, half is out of following what I've seen and half is for my safety. I understand some people like the tooth fish and yeah they're a good fight but I just don't like dealing with them. And if one were to take a lure I'd be so mad because I can't afford to lose frogs or shad raps due to them. Cool fish if it stays off my line.
The Young Gun reply :
I love and hate pike. The "hammer handle" size I'm not a fan of but catching pike 40" plus is a crazy cool thing. And they do a good job of regulating the lakes around here. And the guys always put up a great fight!!
But to the pike that bite my line and took my 7$ tungsten weight today, I'm no fan of him...
J Francho reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Needham said:to the OP ......what does a leader solve here? (unless it is a steel leader)
Maico is generally tossing $20-30 JDM baits in waters that hold northern pike in the mid teens class - fish capable of literally taking that bait on the strike. there are also some pretty big largemouth there, too. My guess, he's using titanium leaders (if he's not, he should!). For about $11, you get two that will last you a season, or more. Another option I use, and this works incredibly well when you are losing tungsten T-rig weights, is Cortland Toothy Critter. It's a tieable, coated steel leader. Get it in the fly fishing section. Great for wacky senkos, too. Lastly, when targeting pike in clear water, I use 60-75# fluoro leader. You can go up to 100# or more, but you'll need a crimp tool and supplies, sicne it's too thick to tie a knot. Bucher sells come pre rigged leaders, and I've been planning on trying out the solid, inflexible, 4" jerkbait leaders this fall. I hate feeding my big Pointers to the lake gods.
J Francho reply :
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catching pike 40" plus is a crazy cool thing
It's always when you are least prepared, lol.
Caught on a a very valuable to me LC Flat Mini DR (discontinued, of course!) on 8# P-Line, no leader. Glad to have gotten my bait back. The fight from a kayak on a 7' medium/moderate cranking rod was something else!
Brian Needham reply :
thanks Francho !
I figured it had to be another material type leader.
good to know......I lost an $80 bait this weekend to a gar when it swiped my 20# yo-zuri like 1# mono!!!!
flyfisher reply :
I'll second the Cortland toothy critter leaders...
thehooligan reply :
My best pickerel at 4.8lbs. Caught on a jackall flickshake on 6lb flouro, little guy was pulling my kayak around the lake 
I fish a private quarry quite often thats just filled with pig size pike. Definitely fun to catch when the bass arent biting. I have lost some expensive baits, but its worth it. Love the fight a nice 2lb+ pickerel puts up...
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
desperate times call for drastic measures
use these to unhook pike lol
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 10:48 AM, JD96 said:I said I wouldn't kill anymore and I have learned something so y'all pike lovers can relax.
And bass are a super fish they're the most awesome fish in the world and they don't have teeth. There is no pike pro circuit. They are pretty gnarly but I don't like catching them. Bass are the best.
Next time you are doing something that may be unlawful or might offend someone else you should probably not post it on a forum. You offended someone and they are just showing their point of view...
clayton86 reply :
On 8/29/2013 at 7:53 AM, ww2farmer said:I like pike just fine. They have their place in the food chain............THE TOP. The best bass lakes I know of have lots of big pike. Plus they fight better than bass, and they will rip the rod out of your hand when they strike. It's annoying to lose lures to them, and I myself had to go to the ER this spring to get a badly chewed up thumb glued back together. But many a bad day of bass fishing has been saved by willing pike, and I, unless I am in a tournament or they just swiped my stuff, enjoy them for what they are.
story of my life lately
Now I like most have a love hate relationship for the toothy fish. Like farmer said they save the day a lot when fishing for bass and you are about to get skunked but a ticked pike sees something shinny and just wants to eat it. The lake I've been fishing the last week and a half I've caught over 50 pickerel and only 5 bass not one over 8" long the pickerel have been everywhere from 18" to close to 30". None have taken a bait though they have mangled a few spinner baits and tore a spro to shreds and the spro one was the one that bit me and also the smallest one. I do love how they fight hate how slimy they are but I actually have not lost a bait to them once this year and I don't use a leader ever I don't even own any. I've only been bit twice by them in my whole life and have probably caught thousands not exaggerating fish WNY for 26 years lol the two that bit me were my own carelessness when gill grabbing them and they freak a little and I pretty much put my finger in there mouth. Now I've said I don't take special care to release one which I don't really but I don't screw around either 99% the time I unhook like any other snap a quick pic and back in they go. I know of 1 last year I definitely killed on accident it was gut hooked bad and one this year that was questionable same thing I tried the threw the gills trick it worked but was bleeding bad upon release he just sat on the surface but I could see its gills and fins moving so he might have made it
CravinMorehead reply :
Should try salt water fishing. They have bigger teeth 
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