UPDATED!!! Ned vs the Drop Shot 2024
Chance_Taker4 reply :
Fishing an event this weekend as a Co. Already have my boater and he said "as usual drop shot all day" Literally every angler in this even will have a drop shot in his hand all day. The drop shot has replaced a tube in the events I fished. I am thinking as a back seater I should throw something a little different and go out throwing the Ned rig. I know how versatile the Ned is. However is this a good presentation in drop shot dominating water or should I just try to get bites by DS a different bait than my boater?
Darren. reply :
I don't know the "rules" for a co-angler, but why not throw
the Ned? Give the fish something no one else is showing 
Are you allowed only one rod? I'd have DS on the second
if allowed.
Brad in Texas reply :
And, it'll depend on what the bottom looks like. My home lake, Lake Athens, here in Texas has a ton of vegetation and a Ned Rig could just disappear down into it making it hard to see. On the other hand, I can use a relatively long leader down to the sinker, say 18", and the worm will be dancing above the vegetation.
Say, if your angler is using a 6" drop shot sinker leader, you could check various heights to see if you can find some a bit higher in the water column. Even 30" might work and you can snip off leader length to hone in on the proper depth.
Good luck . . . catch some fish!
Brad
J Francho reply :
I wouldn't want to use a Ned rig over drop shot in 30'+ water. Why is the drop shot the dominant bait? A C-rig, dragging a tube, or even a Hopkins Shorty spoon may be the better bait that day.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
Clear water, Rocky bottom. Think lake Erie type water. Usually we fish around 10-25' dragging tubes used to be the norm but now everyone is throwing DS. I usually carry 5 rods as a co.
Bassguytom reply :
How about a shakeyhead? I’d throw that for something different.
OCdockskipper reply :
I'd say that is an excellent strategy. If you find the fish are on the bottom and won't come up to get a bait, you might want to bump up to a 1/10 oz head to get the bait down there a bit quicker.
I would venture to say you will catch more fish on the drop than the dropshot folks, so if the fish happen to be looking up that day, you will have a decided advantage.
WRB reply :
Really depends on wind and boat control skills of the front seat. If the boater is staying on top of isolated structure with fish under the boat the drop shot rig works well.
You should have a drop shot rig ready. My second choice or 1st choice would be a slip shot rig to cover more area. As Franco mentioned a structure spoon works very well vertically. Keep in mind you can drop shot a tube! Another soft plastic over looked is a wacky rigged nail weight worm if the boat is stationary enough to present it and dart head jigs with curl tail worms. Don't over look spy baits!
Tom
frogflogger reply :
haven't seen a drop shot outfish a ned rig yet
Brad in Texas reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 7:19 PM, frogflogger said:haven't seen a drop shot outfish a ned rig yet
I think where Ned Rigs are being used, it is a super presentation. Very productive.
Odd, though, as I know many pros have a rod rigged with a drop shot on deck at all times, I am uncertain whether I have heard of or seen anyone fishing in the bigger pro tournament formats . . . using Ned Rigs.
Are they mixing it in with their finesse arsenals?
Brad
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 10:21 AM, WRB said:Really depends on wind and boat control skills of the front seat. If the boater is staying on top of isolated structure with fish under the boat the drop shot rig works well.
You should have a drop shot rig ready. My second choice or 1st choice would be a slip shot rig to cover more area. As Franco mentioned a structure spoon works very well vertically. Keep in mind you can drop shot a tube! Another soft plastic over looked is a wacky rigged nail weight worm if the boat is stationary enough to present it and dart head jigs with curl tail worms. Don't over look spy baits!
Tom
I have fished with this particular boater a few times and have already mentally prepared to not move all day. Once he finds fish he puts spot lock on and doesn't move till weigh in even when the bite slows. I thought about wackey rigging a trick worm with a nail weight as well. I prepared 4 finesse setups and one flipping rod because I know it will be a tube, wackey, DS, Ned in deeper water type of day.
J Francho reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 8:51 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:Clear water, Rocky bottom. Think lake Erie type water. Usually we fish around 10-25' dragging tubes used to be the norm but now everyone is throwing DS. I usually carry 5 rods as a co.
Like I said, if you struggle for bites, go back to other baits that worked in the past. I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than wait for a 1/5 oz. poop jig to hit bottom at 25'.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 10:21 AM, WRB said:Keep in mind you can drop shot a tube!
Yes sir! I find the Z-man TRD Tubez are perfect for a drop shot.
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Z-Man_TRD_Tubez_6pk/descpage-ZMTRDT.html
WRB reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 7:19 PM, frogflogger said:haven't seen a drop shot outfish a ned rig yet
Have you ever watched MLF and seen a Ned rig used successfully? The MLF format is often suited for finesse presentations and the pros often use a drop shot rig when the bite is tough to catch a 12" or 1 lb bass.
Tom
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 10:28 PM, WRB said:Have you ever watched MLF and seen a Ned rig used successfully? The MLF format is often suited for finesse presentations and the pros often use a drop shot rig when the bite is tough to catch a 12" or 1 lb bass.
Tom
The normal DS bait is roboworm or fluke. I was thinking of going with the Ned to give something different but also considered using something like the Jackall Crosstail Shad or Strike King Drop Shot Half Shell on the Drop Shot and just present a different bait.
blckshirt98 reply :
Why not do both at the same time? Tie a dropshot as usual and instead of a dropshot weight, stick a ned rig on the bottom of the leader. It'll cost more out of pocket if you have a break off, but you can see what is/isn't working faster.
J Francho reply :
On 6/20/2018 at 1:48 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:Jackall Crosstail Shad
Those don't work at all!
WRB reply :
On 6/20/2018 at 1:48 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:The normal DS bait is roboworm or fluke. I was thinking of going with the Ned to give something different but also considered using something like the Jackall Crosstail Shad or Strike King Drop Shot Half Shell on the Drop Shot and just present a different bait.
You are just using a light weight jig to present soft plastic and a dart head will work better then a mushroom head IMO. Flick shaky jig and wacky worm is another very effective vertical presentation.
The advantage in deep water with a drop shot is the drop shot weight doesn't affect the soft plastics action and a jig head can. Dart heads swim with action in a vertical or horizontal presentation.
You want a real deadly deep water vertical presentation try Raplala Rap Ice jigs!
Tom
fishwizzard reply :
On 6/20/2018 at 2:47 AM, J Francho said:Those don't work at all!
That's a staged photo, no way a Crosstail would have stayed on the hook after the bite ????
J Francho reply :
It was one in a million! Luckily they float. I've "harvested" many a cross tails doing the back stroke.
fishwizzard reply :
On 6/20/2018 at 10:58 PM, J Francho said:It was one in a million! Luckily they float. I've "harvested" many a cross tails doing the back stroke.
Hah! I use the Zman Finesse Shadz as a drop shot lure and sometimes wish I had a little telescoping net with me to retrieve them.
Log Catcher reply :
If you are fishing a lot of rocky areas you will spend a lot of time hung up or breaking off with a ned rig.
BobP reply :
Ned vs dropshot. I think it depends on what forage the bass are favoring. On my last trip to Canada we fished a clear water reservoir filled with rock and weeds. They were reluctant to bite a Shad type DS but the Zman Ned in a craw color rocked all week, all species, all sizes. And it is more efficient to fish than a DS when the fish are biting both. So I’d take both.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 6/21/2018 at 7:01 AM, Log Catcher said:If you are fishing a lot of rocky areas you will spend a lot of time hung up or breaking off with a ned rig.
I fish almost all rocks with a Ned rig, you're fishing too heavy a head, too big a hook, letting it sink too long, trying to fish it like a shakyhead, or all the above. Even with the open hook, it rarely hangs up and it pops loose easily if it does.
Drop shot just does not seem to be very effective around here. Our stained water, shallow lakes, muck bottoms, poor fish populations, and lack of offshore structure probably has a lot to do with it. A Ned rig can be fished quickly in very shallow water and is just far more effective.
Log Catcher reply :
On 6/22/2018 at 11:16 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I fish almost all rocks with a Ned rig, you're fishing too heavy a head, too big a hook, letting it sink too long, trying to fish it like a shakyhead, or all the above. Even with the open hook, it rarely hangs up and it pops loose easily if it does.
Drop shot just does not seem to be very effective around here. Our stained water, shallow lakes, muck bottoms, poor fish populations, and lack of offshore structure probably has a lot to do with it. A Ned rig can be fished quickly in very shallow water and is just far more effective.
I haven't fished a ned rig a lot but when I did I managed to get them hung up and end up breaking them off.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 6/22/2018 at 11:21 PM, Log Catcher said:I haven't fished a ned rig a lot but when I did I managed to get them hung up and end up breaking them off.
I use a 1/16oz head with a #2 hook and it doesn't hit bottom often, just a slow glide/shake retrieve just off the bottom. When one does hang up, a bowstring pop will often knock them loose and I can keep the retrieve going.
Dorado reply :
On 6/22/2018 at 11:24 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I use a 1/16oz head with a #2 hook and it doesn't hit bottom often, just a slow glide/shake retrieve just off the bottom. When one does hang up, a bowstring pop will often knock them loose and I can keep the retrieve going.
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TOXIC reply :
Obviously take both but I'll tell you what....on our trip to Michigan 2 weeks ago I could have fished 2 baits for the entire week and been plum wore out at the end of every day.
A dropshot rigged with a Yamamoto Shad Shaped Worm in Natural Shad.
A Ned rigged with a Yamamoto Cali-roll green pumpkin/red flake.
Normally I only fish a Pro Senko on my dropshot setup but that SSW just flat tore them up all week. I just happened to have the Cali Roll and thought the paddle tail would give good action....and it sure did.
If you throw either of these make sure you let me know how you did.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 6/23/2018 at 2:14 AM, TOXIC said:Obviously take both but I'll tell you what....on our trip to Michigan 2 weeks ago I could have fished 2 baits for the entire week and been plum wore out at the end of every day.
A dropshot rigged with a Yamamoto Shad Shaped Worm in Natural Shad.
A Ned rigged with a Yamamoto Cali-roll green pumpkin/red flake.
Normally I only fish a Pro Senko on my dropshot setup but that SSW just flat tore them up all week. I just happened to have the Cali Roll and thought the paddle tail would give good action....and it sure did.
If you throw either of these make sure you let me know how you did.
What waters were you fishing?
rtwvumtneer6 reply :
Just read through this at light speed, so sorry if I'm repeating... But has anyone mentioned a Carolina rig?
Seems to be a forgotten technique in my area, but it covers water and gets bit.
Good luck this weekend!
TOXIC reply :
On 6/23/2018 at 4:48 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:What waters were you fishing?
Lake St Clair. All over the USA side from the mile roads to selfrige to the mouth of the salt to metro to both big and little muscamoot. We stay on harsens island.
LxVE Bassin reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 10:07 AM, OCdockskipper said:I'd say that is an excellent strategy. If you find the fish are on the bottom and won't come up to get a bait, you might want to bump up to a 1/10 oz head to get the bait down there a bit quicker.
I would venture to say you will catch more fish on the drop than the dropshot folks, so if the fish happen to be looking up that day, you will have a decided advantage.
I was dropshotting last weekend in 30 feet of water. I started out with a 1/4 ounce weight and it took forever to get to the bottom. I moved up to a 3/8 ounce weight and that worked much better. With that being said 1/10 ounce weight will take way too long to get to the bottom in deep water, especially in a tourney where time is money.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I threw both during my tournament. The 1/10 Ned was just too light for the 20' I was fishing. I switched to a 3/8 out drop shot. I switched between a Jackall Cross tail shad and a super fluke. was able to put a small limit together on the drop shot. However I switched to a 3/8oz shakey head with a 6" Jackall Flick Shake and was able to land a 3 and a 3.5. I ended the day with a bag of 11# 2oz which got me 2nd on the Co-Angler side. I think if I would have switched to the shakey head earlier I could have won the co side but I switch late in the day. We were fishing an overcast cold front on deep rock piles and submerged vegetation.
J Francho reply :
Nice job!
TOXIC reply :
Good Deal. I have 1/4 oz Ned heads for the deeper stuff. In reality, I never thought there was much of a difference between the Ned and a Shakey Head except for the smaller bait on the Ned.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 6/27/2018 at 12:57 AM, TOXIC said:Good Deal. I have 1/4 oz Ned heads for the deeper stuff. In reality, I never thought there was much of a difference between the Ned and a Shakey Head except for the smaller bait on the Ned.
I work them a little different. For the ned I like to drag it along the bottom or very softly switch it. And for a shakey head I am more bouncing it off the bottom and letting it fall back down.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Just have to be patient with the Ned. We were dropping them on a sheer drop at Beaver a few years ago that went from 10-40 straight down. Fish were mostly coming up to meet it but we were getting some near the bottom with it too. Takes over a minute for that 1/16oz head to get down that far but it didn't take long when it got there. It's really a trick when the wind is blowing, almost like flyfishing the way you have to watch the bow in your line.
fishwizzard reply :
On 6/27/2018 at 12:57 AM, TOXIC said:Good Deal. I have 1/4 oz Ned heads for the deeper stuff. In reality, I never thought there was much of a difference between the Ned and a Shakey Head except for the smaller bait on the Ned.
For me, the difference is that the Ned never touches the bottom on purpose and is allways moving. A shakyhead is allways on the bottom and is sitting still a lot of the time.
For me, the Neko/Shaky divide is the most blurred, the main dffetence for me is weedless or not.
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