Relief When Throwing Cranks? 2024
jeremyt reply :
This time of the year is crankin time. My only problem with this is after 5-6 hours my right wrist is absolutely killing me, any advice on how to help relieve that?
Thanks
aavery2 reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 6:15 AM, jeremyt said:This time of the year is crankin time. My only problem with this is after 5-6 hours my right wrist is absolutely killing me, any advice on how to help relieve that?
Thanks
Use a moderate action rod and a low gear ratio reel. A reel with a longer handle will help also. Don't think it gets any better than that. Those deep diving baits can still give you a good workout after several hours.
Goose52 reply :
X2.
Lot's of folks think the low-ratio reels are "old-fashioned" but not me. I use a 4.7 (19ipt) reel on my deep cranking rod. Sometimes, I wish I had left my old Ambassadeur 5000 in the original 3.8 ratio so I had that as an option as well (I converted it to a 4.7).
Khong Y. reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 6:15 AM, jeremyt said:This time of the year is crankin time. My only problem with this is after 5-6 hours my right wrist is absolutely killing me, any advice on how to help relieve that?
Thanks
First off, please describe your rod and reel. They can be a lot of help.
Base on what you say, I can only give this advice. Your rod and reel maybe too heavy. Your rod might not be balance.
gobig reply :
I used to use a low speed reel. Then I heard Randy McAbee suggest a high speed reel and it made total sense. The faster the gear ratio the slower you crank and it takes less turns of the handle to get the same amount of revolutions on the spool. This = Less work!
aavery2 reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 10:10 AM, gobig said:I used to use a low speed reel. Then I heard Randy McAbee suggest a high speed reel and it made total sense. The faster the gear ratio the slower you crank and it takes less turns of the handle to get the same amount of revolutions on the spool. This = Less work!
What you lose with a high speed reel is torque. I can see where if you were throwing shallow to med. diving cranks that do not offer much resistance when cranked this theory would work. However when you are throwing baits like the Norman DD22, and the SK 6XD they can really dig hard. That is where I believe a low geared reel really shows its mechanical advantage.
gobig reply :
QuoteWhat you lose with a high speed reel is torque. I can see where if you were throwing shallow to med. diving cranks that do not offer much resistance when cranked this theory would work. However when you are throwing baits like the Norman DD22, and the SK 6XD they can really dig hard. That is where I believe a low geared reel really shows its mechanical advantage.
I throw all of my cranks on a higher speed reels now, Including the DD22. For me there were more comfort issues in having the right rod. But I continually hear the torque argument so let me expand on the reel aspect... I am not using my grandfathers reel. The reels I use are made by Shimano and have High Efficiency Gearing. These reels have an over sized main gear, pinion gear and drag washers. Giving the reel about 20% more power than a standard bait caster. Things have changed and people still seem to cling to the old school ideology that you need to use a low speed reel. I understand if its a preference, maybe you have a tendency to fish to fast so you want a slower reel, or maybe you have big hands and a round reel is a better fit. These things I get, but I disagree with the implied mechanical advantage. Maybe in the old days but not today. At a certain point how much power do you need? Its no different than needing a big rig to tow your bass boat to the lake.
Fishes in trees reply :
What works for me is to remember to eat a couple of Alieves right at the start of the day, before I'm finished putting in my boat. It seems to make a difference for me, at the end of the day my hands and wrists don't hurt as much.
tomustang reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 6:15 AM, jeremyt said:This time of the year is crankin time. My only problem with this is after 5-6 hours my right wrist is absolutely killing me, any advice on how to help relieve that?
Thanks
Rod/reel setup?
You catching anything in that 5-6 hours?
J Francho reply :
Longer rod and two handed casts. If it's pulling back too hard when you're reeling in, you're reeling in too fast.
stratosjoe reply :
I'm using Gobig's grandfathers reels I use a 7' fast tip Loomis salmon rod long handle a Quantum 381 3.8 to 1 retrieve Im an old fart with serious arthritus problems I fish dt 16 and dd22 all day reel has a lng handle on it use 8# test I smoke the toads just like the younguns...
SirSnookalot reply :
The more you do it the less soreness you're going to have. I fish a good 6 hours a day and a real good portion of the time I'm walking the dog or jigging bucktails, pretty good workout on the wrist and forearm. I've been doing this for so many years my body is used to it, I never get sore or tired. Don't ever try butterfly jigging, that isn't soreness that's out right pain, I'll never do that again.............lol All kidding aside, having your muscles conditioned is a big help.
A golfer who hasn't played over the winter in 4 months or more is usually a little sore the first couple of outings, but it goes away, this really isn't any different.
3dees reply :
I have had carpel tunnel surgery on both wrists. I can throw cranks for about two hours before the pain gets really bad. a long handle rod butted against my side helps a lot.
aavery2 reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 2:41 PM, gobig said:I throw all of my cranks on a higher speed reels now, Including the DD22. For me there were more comfort issues in having the right rod. But I continually hear the torque argument so let me expand on the reel aspect... I am not using my grandfathers reel. The reels I use are made by Shimano and have High Efficiency Gearing. These reels have an over sized main gear, pinion gear and drag washers. Giving the reel about 20% more power than a standard bait caster. Things have changed and people still seem to cling to the old school ideology that you need to use a low speed reel. I understand if its a preference, maybe you have a tendency to fish to fast so you want a slower reel, or maybe you have big hands and a round reel is a better fit. These things I get, but I disagree with the implied mechanical advantage. Maybe in the old days but not today. At a certain point how much power do you need? Its no different than needing a big rig to tow your bass boat to the lake.
I respect your thoughts on the subject, but here is something for you to consider. You say you are a Shimano guy, so why would Shimano bother to produce and Curado E5 if there were no advantage to a lower gear ratio reel. Both the E7 and E5 are built identical with HEG, SF and the whole nine yards. A 5.1:1 gear ratio will always offer a mechanical advantage over the higher 7.1:1 gear ratio reel so long as the spool dia. is the same size. It's just a simple matter of physics.
jeremyt reply :
Sorry for the delay and I truly appreciate the feedback so far. I am currently using a carrot cranking sttix with a shimano Citica. I am not sure of the gear ratio on mine it is locked up in the boat at my father in laws currently. I was fishing a local river this weekend and was catching maybe 3-4 an hour circling a creek of the main river. I was using shallow cranks ( 3-5 ft depth) in a fire tiger color and by the end of the day my wrist was in a lot of pain. The two handed cast did help some but I was still grimacing. Didn't know if anyone had any tricks for this.
islandbass reply :
I would invest in a reel with the handle on the other side. When your primary side gets "tired" you can switch hit. 
Seriously, I'm not kidding!
aavery2 reply :
On 11/2/2011 at 6:06 AM, jeremyt said:Sorry for the delay and I truly appreciate the feedback so far. I am currently using a carrot cranking sttix with a shimano Citica. I am not sure of the gear ratio on mine it is locked up in the boat at my father in laws currently. I was fishing a local river this weekend and was catching maybe 3-4 an hour circling a creek of the main river. I was using shallow cranks ( 3-5 ft depth) in a fire tiger color and by the end of the day my wrist was in a lot of pain. The two handed cast did help some but I was still grimacing. Didn't know if anyone had any tricks for this.
If your Citica is an E model then it is a 6.3:1 gear ratio, as this was the only option for this model outside of changing gears yourself. If shallow cranks are making your wrists hurt, don't take this the wrong way, I think I would see a doctor.
Khong Y. reply :
Your rod might be too long and heavy for you. Try using a shorter and lighter rod when you are casting a lot and long hours. Something of a 6'6" and med power. The only time you should use a 7'3" and heavy is to jig/pig or frog through thick cover.
I doubt it's your Citica reel.
J Francho reply :
QuoteThe only time you should use a 7'3" and heavy is to jig/pig or frog through thick cover.
He's using a Carrot Stix Cranking Stick, one of the lighter rods on the market, not a jigging rod.
Grey Wolf reply :
Bottom line..........see a doctor , you should not be in that much pain. 
SirSnookalot reply :
On 11/2/2011 at 9:57 PM, Grey Wolf said:Bottom line..........see a doctor , you should not be in that much pain.
My first thought is what are you doing to aggravate your wrist, gripping the rod too tight, unfavorable hand position or moving your wrist around? A fairly stationary wrist should not yield extraordinary pain, but in all fairness 5-6 hours is a long time especially if fishing is not a daily pastime. If you had been jigging, I'd buy into the notion of different equipment. I'm in fishing condition, I never get tired or sore, that said, I was butterfly jigging with 6oz in 180' of water without a proper jigging rod and within minutes I was in dire pain, not my wrists but my back as this is a 2 handed technique, a mistake I'll never make again.
I would first try holding your rod differently, take more breaks, build up to 5 hours of fishing, wear a wristband, then see a doctor as Grey Wolf said. A new rod isn't going to help.
Khong Y. reply :
On 11/2/2011 at 9:00 PM, J Francho said:He's using a Carrot Stix Cranking Stick, one of the lighter rods on the market, not a jigging rod.
It still doesn't matter, as light as it sound it still heavier for certain people that shouldn't be casting it 5-6hour. I'm only recommending him to switch to a shorter and lighter action rod.
My reason of doing so is because I have done that long long ago. I like the fact that longer rod gives more distance and a med/heavy rod will give the backbone to hold up a big bass but it isn't worth it when you are cranking pass 3hour. I switched back to my older shorter medium power rod and my wrist wasn't hurting anymore.
J Francho reply :
OK, it's a 3.8 ounce rod. You are saying he should switch to the 6-6? Those are 3.6 oz. I doubt that 0.2 makes a difference. I see what you are saying on paper, but in real life, I don't get it.
NoBassPro reply :
I have found it feels easier for me to throw hard digging cranks on heavier duty med fast to fast action rods than on lighter rods or slower action. IMO, its not the weight of the rod or the bait so much as the resistance when retrieving the bait.
Raul reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 6:15 AM, jeremyt said:This time of the year is crankin time. My only problem with this is after 5-6 hours my right wrist is absolutely killing me, any advice on how to help relieve that?
Thanks
Cast with both hands and don´t over work, it´s supposed to be fun, not a workout.
jeremyt reply :
I appreciate all the advice, I am a Marine in my early 30's and not supposed to hurt from fishing. Took Grey Wolfs advice and went to medical. Turns out I have a stress fracture in my right wrist and I guess that last trip aggravated it enough to put me in pain. I have to take it easy for a few weeks and go from there. I truly appreciate it.
Grey Wolf reply :
I'm glad you made the correct decision to correct your problem , now let it heal and give it heck later on. 
bigbassctchr101 reply :
Dang, a fractured wrist will certainly do it! I am only 25 and I have to wear a brace on my wrist when I go to catching them on big cranks. I found that a flexible (elastic) wrist brace that tries to mobolize your thumb and wrist works the best. It also helped me to hold the blank up higher with my non cranking hand. Turns out that for me you can feel a little better against the blank like that anyway. I have about 6 total cranking configurations, but it all comes down to lighter weighted rods, and slower IPT ratioed reels help me the most. Carpal tunnel and tendonitis almost can take some fun out of fishing but a little pain just goes with the game
Khong Y. reply :
Well it's getting close to winter so you won't miss anything. It's good that you got that wrist checked out too. Hope it recover well so you'll be back fishing by Pre-Spawn.
Jim H. reply :
Wow, I think you guys are kinda missing something here. That is the fact that cranking deep runners requires the use of a set of muscles that are unique to that task. I once fished the St. Judes charity bass tournament and drew a retired NFL quarterback as a partner. I was tossing bagley's DB-3's and dragging them through a ditch. We caught enough fish to finish in the top 10. My partner told me after the tournament that his throwing arm was tired and he couldn't figure why a over the hill fat guy was still cranking while he was too tired. The answer is, I routinely used one set of muscles to throw crankbaits while he used a completely different set to throw footballs.
Personally, I can't see having a rod/reel combo for every possible situation. I can always turn the handle slower but there is a limit to how fast I can turn a reel handle.
southtexasbassin reply :
what I like to do to get some relief is crank the reel a couple of times then use the rod. Pull the lure with the rod and reel in slack when bringing the rod back to normal position. Simple but helps a ton.
J Francho reply :
Quotewhat I like to do to get some relief is crank the reel a couple of times then use the rod.
Actually a REAL good technique for getting a diver through weeds. Feel a bump, stop sweeping, and let the bait rise a few inches. For some reason it's easier to stop sweeping the rod than it is to stop reeling.
weezy109 reply :
You don't ride a bike up hill in fast gear now do ya? Pedaling slower won't get the job done you gotta drop down to the lower(bigger) gear. Takes less effort to do the same job. Reeling a fast gear reel slower is not the same as using a low gear reel.
Nitrofreak reply :
How do I spell relief when cranking deep? Trolling.
Sam reply :
Jeremy, bass fishing is a sport.
Sports require specific muscles to perform an actiion over and over again.
May I suggest strengthening your muscles, expecially your wrist, hand and arm along with your legs?
You don't have to buy a set of 1,000 pound weights. You do have to purchase some hand weights or use soft-drink bottles and go on-line to find wrist and hand exercises to strengthen your hands and wrists.
You can do the hand and wrist execrises while driving watching TV, at work, at the movies, etc. These are simple exercises to help make the wrists stronger. One of those balls you squeeze can work wonders.
You will encounter problems if you continue to do a repetitive action over and over again so learn to cast your cranking rod differently.
First, when you cast be sure the reel's handle is pointing towards the sky. Not directly, but at least at an 11 o'clock position. This will help take the pressure off your wrist.
Second, as stated in the above posts, make sure you have the right equipment. A rod designed for cranks and a 5:1 reel are starters.
Third, remember to "swing" the rod to the left or right when setting a treble hook. Do not thrust the rod over your head. Just a tight swing to the right or left will set the hook.
Fourth, be sure to continue to use mono for treble hook baits. The pros are changing to flouro but I still believe mono is the best line for cranks.
And remember the old football advice: you are only as good as your legs. Don't forget to exercise your legs other than walking to and from the frig!!!!
With winter upon us it is time to get in top shape for the 2012 fishing season.
Remember, Ish and Hackney may not look like they are in great shape to fish, but they are. Even punny little Ike works out during the year.
Now go out and look like Popeye the Sailor Man!!!!!!!
Happy New Year.
jojo&laken reply :
I use a carrot stick with a 7.1:1 citica yea its work but it also works the prize is always worth the pain. try moving or changing your body, hand, rod positions in between casts without changing up the retrieve. It is just like sitting in one spot for a long time your butt gets to hurting so you move or adjust good luck
iceintheveins reply :
I use a 5.0:1 curado with a BPS 7' Medium Action Crankin' Stick. It doesn't take much effort with that setup. Deep divers thrown for a few hours are still a bit of a workout, but it's jerkbaits that really kill my wrists, especially hard ones. I am a big believer in a low ratio reel for most all cranking and spinnerbait action because I believe the lure is in the strike zone longer. Sometimes with spinnerbaits or lipless cranks though a fast retrieve works better, but usually only when the bass are really amped up or you are fishing really shallow water (4 feet or under).
iceintheveins reply :
Heck I still prefer mono for just about all applications, it's just too versatile. With slop fishing, frog fishing, and hard jerkbaits though, I go with braid. Fluoro IMO is only good for a reel setup that you will only use for jigging or plastics.
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