Why The Heavy Flippin Stick Craze. I'm Staying Mh 2024
Brent Bartman reply :
The majority of my fishing is flipping/pitching. whether its large T-rigged creature baits, tubes, large jigs or even finesse jigs.
I usually have 2-3 rods ready to flip a variety of different ways depending on the conditions. the setup is always an ABU GARCIA reel. normally my MGX or my 2 STX all spun with 30 lb power pro. For a while i was hooked on 7'6" MH pitching rod and a 7'11'' H ST CROIX MOJO BASS on all three reels
Before the spawn I bought an ABU GARCIA Veritas 7' MH for better skipping control under docks and laydowns. after my first day with that rod i put down the MOJO bass and went to all three on the 7 MH veritas micro guide. the control and accuracy i got out of that rod were amazing. not to mention how light that rod was compared to the others
Now i know the theory and reason for the 8ft heavy rods but I have yet to have the rods under perform. i have no trouble getting the fish out of their holes. Plus DICKS sporting goods has a very loose return policy if i break one. and i seem to always get a good hook set.
Does anyone else solely flip/pitch the lighter rods. in my group of guys Im the only one that has no variety. but in every situation I have encountered the lighter microguide has surpassed its competition which were designed for the task. whats yalls take
Brent
Brian Needham reply :
In matted heavy grass the broomsticks for flipping is required....... that said my stoutest rod is a dobyns dx745
Brent Bartman reply :
Even so, I can only think of once where i had to go get the fish i couldnt drag him to me
martintheduck reply :
I'm only using a MH when flipping your average situation - docks, stumps, laydowns, edges of pads. It work perfect for me.
NOW - a Heavy rod is only getting used if I'm pitching into some heavy mat, heavy pads, or just thick brush/cover altogether. What I understand is this: It's not simply about having a stiff rod to pull the fish out of the hole. The stiffness is needed to set the hook while SIMULTANEOUSLY pulling that fish through the stuff. With a MH rod, I can rip a hook, but theres so much play in the rod that the fish doesn't exactly move once the hook hits - the hook sets but the fish isn't pulled but a few inches in the pocket.
With the heavy rod, the hook sets AND the fish gets pulled up and through the muck.
I don't really know how to explain is better than that, but it's the only reason I'll think "I should use a heavy rod to flip this stuff....." It's so I can get a hookset while simultaneously pulling that fish through the stuff. MH that doesn't always happen - sometimes the hook will set and the fish is still in the same spot chillin'.
Grizzn N Bassin reply :
I only use a heavy rod in very thick - think cover.. pads,mats etc... mh for other stuff like scum or just fishing around brush piles
Drewski73 reply :
Medium heavy extra fast for me.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I use a heavy action rod for my swimbait rod and that's it. MH will do the job for a lot of pitching/flipping applications but for big fish around heavy cover a heavy action is a must. I'd guess a lot of your accuracy you're getting from the new rod is the shorter length of the rod. Shorter rods are easier to control and therefore tend to be more accurate. Mojo rods tend to be on the heavy side anyways, in action and in actual weight. I had a 7' H Mojo Slop and Frog and that thing was a pool cue! I couldn't imagine what the 7' 11" H is like.
Sam reply :
Brent, I use a medium heavy all the time to flip and pitch.
Even on the Potomac River in the heavy grass.
If you are on Toledo Bend, Falcon or Amistad you may need a heavy rod but for me I will stick with a medium heavy.
I would think a medium heavy would be acceptable in the Tidewater area. If you fish the Chick River or Chick Lake you can still use a medium heavy unless you are fishing the pads or throwing a Carolina rig and then you may want a heavy rod.
Catt reply :
I fish Toledo Bend which has Hydrilla that is 15' tall but has standing timber, lay downs, & brush under it.
I've had bass break 50# braid & have talk with Pro's who had bass in Falcon's mesquite fields break 85# braid.
Ya wanna use a MH rod & 30# braid...good luck with that!
Brent Bartman reply :
That MOJO flipping stick doubles as a push pole when I Need it lol.
I guess I know what your saying Martin I have realized I have had less flying dinks and less turn arounds on big fish
Brent Bartman reply :
I mean by no means am I a pro. But I've never seen a reason to go bigger than 50lb braid. I have a crankbait rod with 50lb braid for never ever losing crankbaits to stumps and brush and I straitened treble hooks before that line snaps. I usually with break my 40lb florou leader at my uni to uni before I break off on the braid
buzzfrog reply :
I usally use the MH, if ya got an abu or Croix H, its like throwing a boat oar. though I have a 8' daiwa stick, very nice and limber, good rod.
Bass_Fanatic reply :
I have 6 Heavy actions rods. I use them for flipping, pitching, spinnerbaits,chatterbaits, jigs, ect. I love the Powell Endurance 714C. Best all around rod IMO.
Catt reply :
On 8/14/2013 at 8:13 PM, Brent Bartman said:I mean by no means am I a pro. But I've never seen a reason to go bigger than 50lb braid. I have a crankbait rod with 50lb braid for never ever losing crankbaits to stumps and brush and I straitened treble hooks before that line snaps. I usually with break my 40lb florou leader at my uni to uni before I break off on the braid
Come on down to Texas 
lmbfisherman reply :
I'm starting to use my MH rods in all but matted vegetation or very scary looking cover. I use my H/F rods more for Carolina Rigs, but I am finding that I'm not doing that too much either.
A-Jay reply :
Flipping is one technique where the angler has a decent shot at a big bass, even a PB.
Once you lose "The One", you might change your tune.
Making an attempt to eliminate that possibility works for me.
You may never get another shot at her.
btw - what does Big-O prefer to use - he seems to hook, fight, land, photo and than release his fair share of TOADS ~
A-Jay
J Francho reply :
On 8/14/2013 at 11:56 PM, Catt said:Come on down to Texas
Come to western NY, for that matter. EU milfoil, coontail, water chestnut... A 5 lber can own you in that stuff.
Catt reply :
Don't know what happened J Francho, I qouted Brain & it ended up with 2 post.
J Francho reply :
IDK, I fixed it.
Catt reply :
Probably operator error
ChiCityBasser reply :
I use a 7'3" MH/F Custom rod with a Quantum Accurist Burner 7.0:1 with 30/50# Cajun braid for almost all my flipping. I do have a 7'11" H Quantum Superlite rod but have not used it or run into a situation to use it at this time.
Brent Bartman reply :
On 8/14/2013 at 11:56 PM, Catt said:Come on down to Texas
Why would I want to do that. Lol
Brent Bartman reply :
I guess I see the point to have on in the boat but not to have it as my primary.
J Francho reply :
None of my rods I would consider my "primary." There's a reason the "craze" of heavy cover tackle has been around since the 70's - it works. You might not come across the heavy cover that dictates this tackle in the lakes you fish, but if it is there, there are fish in it. Rods and reels are just tools - match your tools to the job, not some craze.
Grantman83 reply :
I have several heavy rods. However, where the backbone comes in is just as important as the power. A broomstick with no tip is going to fish very differently compared a rod where there is a good bend INTO a heavy backbone.
If there is enough tip, the heavy backbone is very beneficial for turning and pulling fish.
jimmykm21 reply :
How does anyone snap 50 pound braid catching a large mouth ?
I can't see it happening for any reason other than you had your line rub against rocks or gravel , then it really didn't snap it frayed to the point of breaking.
I have surf fished for many, many years and 50 braid won't snap from the weight of a striper unless I had the fish take me to the rocks which it did
happen on occasion.
But there is a difference between line breaking and line breaking because of it frayed.
Bass_Fanatic reply :
Hook a DD in 18 fow in a brushpile in thick hydrilla and see what happens...
J Francho reply :
On 8/15/2013 at 3:37 AM, jimmykm21 said:How does anyone snap 50 pound braid catching a large mouth ?
I can't see it happening for any reason other than you had your line rub against rocks or gravel , then it really didn't snap it frayed to the point of breaking.
I have surf fished for many, many years and 50 braid won't snap from the weight of a striper unless I had the fish take me to the rocks which it did
happen on occasion.
But there is a difference between line breaking and line breaking because of it frayed.
Does it really matter how it broke? Breaking off is breaking off. I've broken off with 65 and 80lb. braid. Sometimes you don't notice that you rubbed on some zebra mussels, or the bass wraps you around a metal dock post.... many reasons why any size line breaks.
Most of us using 50, 65, and even 80# braid is for the handling characteristics, not the breaking strength anyway. 65 and 80# does a real nice job of sawing through sinner grass and weeds without getting wedged into the stalks and leaves of heavier lily pad or water chestnuts. If you don't fish it, then it isn't a problem. Like I said before, if it's there, there are fish in it, and you'll need something more than 30# braid and a MH to get them out.
craww reply :
Call a spade a spade. That veritas is stouter than most H rods out there.
Catt reply :
The bass that broke me off was in a brush pile in 25',
The Pro's was during the 2008 Lonestar Shootout on Falcon, Paul Elias had a four day total of 136.8, the top 12 were all over 100# & the. Co-angler was 83#.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
You can "Flip" or "Pitch" with any rod technically. The things to consider when choosing are bait weight, size of fish expected and cover conditions. The next thing you run into is the subjective designations put on rods. For example, if you are fishing a MH St. Croix, you may be fishing the equiv. of someone else's Hvy. already.
Brent Bartman reply :
On 8/15/2013 at 3:28 AM, J Francho said:None of my rods I would consider my "primary." There's a reason the "craze" of heavy cover tackle has been around since the 70's - it works. You might not come across the heavy cover that dictates this tackle in the lakes you fish, but if it is there, there are fish in it. Rods and reels are just tools - match your tools to the job, not some craze.
By primary I mean im not grabbing my broomstick st croix that will wear you out after an hour to cruise a bank. its in the boat to be used for the nasty stuff. its just in Hampton roads the reservoirs i fish dont have vegetation to require it.
J Francho reply :
My broomstick is a Deep South XXX Heavy. It's nicely balanced with a Daiwa TD-X103HSDL pitching reel. Not tiring at all. I also have a Dobyns 745 and that rod is even lighter, with a Chronarch E and Hawgtech handle. Typically, I am using them, or I'm not. "Primary" could mean one of these, or another lighter weight stick for less cover, or docks, or it could mean (most likely) 4-6 rods while junk fishing, which is what we do a lot of up here, especially when fish have moved out of the shallows.
MrPeanut reply :
IMO the veritas fishes at a heavier action than what they're calling it, I think my MH veritas feels more like a H, that could be why it seems there's no need to go up to a H too, you almost already are using one
other rod companies will be different though
Grantman83 reply :
^^^^^^
I have a heavy veritas that is a heavier than my dx745 which is rated a mag heavy...
Greeneye8181 reply :
I have a Kistler KLX heavy I use for frogging. Its BARELY thicker than the MH Zbone I have. Barely noticeable. I prefer a MH for flipping.
That being said I only use the heavy for frogging. Also, some companies have different specs and what they call it. I had a St.Croix tournament labeled as medium and it was exactly the same size as my MH Zbone. Same goes for my Xtreme.
CrossK reply :
I've snapped a MH Veritas while flipping in super thick mats so since then I'm stickin with a heavy 7' 11'' rod.
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