Rod action of the pros 2024
Fishin Dad reply :
I have been watching a lot of the tournament action this year. The thing I have noticed is it seems a lot of the pros seem to be using moderate action rods? Am I just seeing things? As I understand it (as a general rule) moderate or moderate fast rods are good cranking, flipping, and some top water. Is that about correct? The other reason I ask is, I have a glass cranking rod and one for chatterbaits and love them! Easy to cast and nice for fighting fish. I understand it might be harder to drive a bigger hook in, but they were using them for pitching and Flippin I thought. It appeared some were using these for other techniques. What are your thoughts on using moderate to moderate fast rods?
Thanks
A-Jay reply :
A-Jay
iabass8 reply :
They're all using custom made rods from the North Pole forged from the blood of a centaur and epoxied /w the tears of baby unicorns.
Fishin Dad reply :
Great, my wife will think I am heading up there to ice fish. Does Tackle Warehouse carry those?
MickD reply :
Your observation is right on. While we keep worshipping "faster is better," they are using moderate action rods for most techniques.
newyorktoiowa57 reply :
They are using mod/mod fast for reaction techniques. They definitely use fast or extra fast for bigger single hook(non-moving) baits though.
A decent number of pros are not using rods anywhere near as expensive as the rods some of the guys on the boards use. It simply depends on who is sponsoring them. For example Brent Ehler uses the Tatula Elite at $180 and Edwin Evers(who just won an MLF event) uses the BPS Johnny Morris Platinum at $180. Aaron Martens also uses $120 enigma rods which is odd given that he used to be sponsered by Megabass, and they have pretty poor reviews.
IMO this shows that super expensive, sensitive rods are not necessary if pros aren't using them. Regardless for things like Jigs, frogs they are using fast rods, though probably not as fast as say, an NRX/GLX/Helium 3.
JLBBass reply :
This is why I own around 14 reels for bass fishing, ( around 6 spinning, 8 baitcasters) but own around 30+ rods! ????
ohboyitsrobby reply :
I've seen Wesley strader throw the blue Powell endurance line quite a bit. Think they run $120-130ish.
CrankFate reply :
Now that I got my tinfoil hat on, I believe they are using a custom rod to their specs in the color and style of the sponsor rod. My tinfoil hat tells me this because they often have rods with butt sections much longer than what the rod they are using has in retail stores.
DogBone_384 reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 7:49 AM, MickD said:we keep worshipping "faster is better," they are using moderate action rods for most techniques
I own a couple mod-fast Kistlers and one Abu. I find I use them more and more when kayak fishing because I take only 3 rods. They’re about as universal as you can get.
TxHawgs reply :
Not seeing things, they can be used for anything. Not getting into why but it's pretty self explanatory. And yes some guys use them to pitch plastics and jigs with. Look how many companies make mod fast actions anymore and not in crankbait rods. Its cuz people are using them more. I could take a M MH H and XH mod fast rod and fish everything with them.
Glaucus reply :
I always refute the claim that the universal best starter bass rod is a 7 foot MH/F. It's not. MF is by far more universal.
Heartland reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 3:18 PM, Glaucus said:I always refute the claim that the universal best starter bass rod is a 7 foot MH/F. I believe that MF is by far more universal.
fixed it for you
Fishin Dad reply :
I want to find a rod with that moderate or MF tip that loads to a strong backbone. I like the feel and ease of the cast and I feel it helps with fighting the fish on a M or MF action. I do like some backbone to set the hook and help power a fish out of cover if needed. Any suggestions? I would like one for throwing weightless Senkos and one for jigs/Texas rigs.
Boomstick reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 3:18 PM, Glaucus said:I always refute the claim that the universal best starter bass rod is a 7 foot MH/F. It's not. MF is by far more universal.
I have also had discussions with people that M/F is just as versatile as as MH/F, it's all about preference.
Glaucus reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:30 AM, Boomstick said:I have also had discussions with people that M/F is just as versatile as as MH/F, it's all about preference.
I should clarify that when I said MF I meant moderate fast, not medium power/fast action.
Power is really subjective to area, but a moderate fast action is the most versatile action there is - not fast action imo
Boomstick reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:43 AM, Glaucus said:I should clarify that when I said MF I meant moderate fast, not medium power/fast action.
Power is really subjective to area, but a moderate fast action is the most versatile action there is - not fast action imo
*facepalm* I feel stupid now.
On that, I used a mod. fast rod for crankbaits, spinnerbaits, jerkbaits, swim jigs and chatterbaits last year, with no issues at all (other than losing the biggest fish of my life but I blame hitting my kid in the face on the hookset for that one). I have enough backbone I could probably throw braid on it and fish a frog or soft plastics just fine as well, especially if I keep my hooks sharp.
Heartland reply :
Take your rod and reel outside and try this little exercise. Have a friend, wife, neighbor, someone walk off about 30 -40 yards. Give them the end of your line whatever line you would normally use. With them 30-40 yards away have them pinch the line between their thumb and fore finger, then see if you can pull it loose from their grip by imitating your hookset. You may be surprised.
MickD reply :
I know what a mod and mod/fast action ROD are but don't know what a mod and mod/fast action TIP are.
Fishin Dad reply :
I mean a moderate or moderate fast action rod, but would like it to have a softer tip section and load to a more stout backbone.
LionHeart reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 8:56 AM, Heartland said:Take your rod and reel outside and try this little exercise. Have a friend, wife, neighbor, someone walk off about 30 -40 yards. Give them the end of your line whatever line you would normally use. With them 30-40 yards away have them pinch the line between their thumb and fore finger, then see if you can pull it loose from their grip by imitating your hookset. You may be surprised.
For this reason (well , one of many) I use braid. A hook set at 40 yards carries almost the same authority as 5 yards.
kschultz76 reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:17 AM, Fishin Dad said:I want to find a rod with that moderate or MF tip that loads to a strong backbone. I like the feel and ease of the cast and I feel it helps with fighting the fish on a M or MF action. I do like some backbone to set the hook and help power a fish out of cover if needed. Any suggestions? I would like one for throwing weightless Senkos and one for jigs/Texas rigs.
The Gen 1 MB Orochi XX Diablo Spec R comes to mind. I wouldn’t call it moderate, but the action is on the slower end of fast, but crisp and responsive with a strong backbone. I can throw everything on that rod from trigged creature baits to swim jigs to lipless to square bills and I have. If you like rods of that action JDM offerings would be to your liking.
The Kislter KLX Crank Rip Twitch rods in MedHeavy MedFast come to mind as well. Also the Kistler H3 Light MedHeavy Fast I think you’d like too.
waymont reply :
I think the Dobyns fast action is kind of a moderate/fast action or between moderate/fast and fast.
When I first started using them for jigs and texas rigs I thought they would be too slow, but I changed my mind after catching a few bass on them. They keep fish pegged and are easy to cast too. I still have some fast action Loomis and St Croix rods that I love, but the slower action is great too. I also found Dobyns actions are great for spinner/chatter baits and square bills too. Great all around action.
Heartland reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, LionHeart said:For this reason (well , one of many) I use braid. A hook set at 40 yards carries almost the same authority as 5 yards.
Try it, you might be surprised
Fishin Dad reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, LionHeart said:For this reason (well , one of many) I use braid. A hook set at 40 yards carries almost the same authority as 5 yards.
I would use braid for this type of rod. I am about 50% braid on my set ups. With this type of rod I think it would be great for casting, feel, and hook sets. Thanks
Thanks kschultz and waymont. I will definitely be looking at those rods. I do own a Dobyns, but I use it for chatters as it is a glass rod made for them. Have always wanted to try a JDM rod and a Kistler.
kschultz76 reply :
Another brand that is more affordable with more mod fast tapers is Hammer Rods. They’ve been dinged for their build quality/quality control though. I have their 7’3” MF/ModFast micro guide rod with Winn grips. Great for all kinds of treble and reaction baits. For single hooks I’d move up to the heavy and have it on good authority it’s still got that deeper mod fast flex even though they rate it a fast. They recently came out with a new series with cork grips that look nice. Build quality aside their blanks are nice and have great feel for the price point. Only quality issue with the rod I have is the epoxy work on the guides is a bit heavy and sloppy.
Fishin Dad reply :
I will look into those. I like a Winn or grip other than cork. I have cork grips on some rods, but prefer something else. Thanks
Choporoz reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 6:55 AM, Fishin Dad said:. The thing I have noticed is it seems a lot of the pros seem to be using moderate action rods? Am I just seeing things?
Now that so many are fishing for dinks, they don't need MH rods any more 
jk 
fishwizzard reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:25 PM, kschultz76 said:Another brand that is more affordable with more mod fast tapers is Hammer Rods.
Major Craft also has a lot of ModFast/Regular taper rods in their lines.
CrankFate reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, LionHeart said:For this reason (well , one of many) I use braid. A hook set at 40 yards carries almost the same authority as 5 yards.
It does. Even at 70 yards. The problem is if the bait wasn’t inhaled or was inhaled with a tapered bullet weight and the fish is far and shallow, the hookset rips the bait out of the fish’s mouth or doesn’t pop the hook out of the plastic. IMO, that one second of flex in a mod rod let’s the hook angle enough to grab something.
LionHeart reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:18 AM, CrankFate said:It does. Even at 70 yards. The problem is if the bait wasn’t inhaled or was inhaled with a tapered bullet weight and the fish is far and shallow, the hookset rips the bait out of the fish’s mouth or doesn’t pop the hook out of the plastic.
I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today. A lot of guys (and gals I suppose) have said this, and for all my faults on the water, I've never had this be a problem.
Maybe it is because I skin hook a Texas rig but a large majority of the time, the fish will expose the hook just by striking the lure. At that point, the fish has an exposed hook in its mouth and it's game time.
I like a slower than 'fast' (whatever that even means) tip, but a moderate action for bottom baits? No Sir.
CrankFate reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:33 AM, LionHeart said:I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today. A lot of guys (and gals I suppose) have said this, and for all my faults on the water, I've never had this be a problem.
Maybe it is because I skin hook a Texas rig but a large majority of the time, the fish will expose the hook just by striking the lure. At that point, the fish has an exposed hook in its mouth and it's game time.
I like a slower than 'fast' (whatever that even means) tip, but a moderate action for bottom baits? No Sir.
I think the fish in some places slam the bait and in other places (where they eat smaller things) they gently suck it in or nip it before sucking it in. These little nipping bass drive me crazy. The fish around here nip like a little sunny, making hookups impossibly difficult without treble hook lures.
Funny you say that, though. I always consider they way I fish faster than ‘slow’
Heartland reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:18 AM, CrankFate said:It does. Even at 70 yards. The problem is if the bait wasn’t inhaled or was inhaled with a tapered bullet weight and the fish is far and shallow, the hookset rips the bait out of the fish’s mouth or doesn’t pop the hook out of the plastic. IMO, that one second of flex in a mod rod let’s the hook angle enough to grab something.
So you have actually tried it at 70 yards?
Turkey sandwich reply :
If you guys are concerned with a fast action or extra fast rod pulling a non reaction (generally trebled hooked) bait out of a fish's mouth, the rod may not be the issue. Sensitivity, and ability to feel cover aside, a heavy wire hook, at distance requires more power to set. Adding either additional line stretch or a slowing the action of the rod isn't going to increase hook ups if something is wrong with your hook set. It's only going to deliver less force over the greater distance.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure Denny Brauer switched back to using exclusively bamboo rods painted to match his sponsors. Because he's old school like that.
Fishin Dad reply :
I totally know these rods have their place and time for sure. I was just interested in knowing what you all thought and observed. It seemed like Rick Clunn was using a pretty soft rod flippin 10 pounders in. It also seemed like some other pros had some softer rods for techniques I found interesting. My only observation is that i enjoy casting a softer action rod than i do an extra fast rod. Looking to get a couple of new rods this year and was wondering if I should be adding some of these for a reason. Thanks for all the comments, it is interesting to see what people think of this.
CrankFate reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 3:12 PM, Heartland said:So you have actually tried it at 70 yards?
By having someone hold it? No. But because there is zero stretch with braid, it has to be the same. The only way it could be different is when there is slack in the line. With worms or jigs, it’s a big difference compared to moving baits because moving baits will have no slack.
kenmitch reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 8:56 AM, Heartland said:Take your rod and reel outside and try this little exercise. Have a friend, wife, neighbor, someone walk off about 30 -40 yards. Give them the end of your line whatever line you would normally use. With them 30-40 yards away have them pinch the line between their thumb and fore finger, then see if you can pull it loose from their grip by imitating your hookset. You may be surprised.
I know you meant baitless, but there's less fortunate people in this world that won't.
Imagine somebody trying this with a bait on the other end, the pincher isn't quite ready or has a weak pinch....Ouch.
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