I'm sure this has been asked before but what are you guys using for all the different umbrella rigs? I picked up a new Cumara A umbrella rig rod today to fish with a Curado E 301. I plan to spool 25# CXX and see how that goes before trying braid. I've read a lot of posts where guys said to use braid for umbrella rigs but I think I'm going to like copoly best for this technique. I'm also planning to use this combo for swimbaits and big swim jigs. I'll probably also use it to fish the new 10XD baits.
So what gear are all you guys using for Alabama Rigs? Should I just skip the copoly and go straight to braid? Post pics if you got'em.
Usually its a H to XH rod, with a reel thats a 5 something ratio, and 80# braid
Lamiglas SR705R/ CTE200GT/ #65 Sufix 832
Outside arms are rigged with Gamakatsu Light Wire 4/0 Offset Worm Hooks/
LFT Live Magic Shad, weightless Center arm features a Johnson Silver Minnow.
Thanks for the replies fellas!
roadwarrior, thanks for telling exactly how you have the bait itself rigged. I'm looking for ideas that are a little "uncommon" or different because the A-rig is super popular here so I was looking for anything I could do to make mine stand out a little.
Dobyns 745c, Chronarch e7, 50# Power Pro. For bigger rigs, a custom Saint Croix 4C79HF, Calcutta 200, and 20# CXX.
Dobyns 766 flip, lews bb1, is my swimbait, Alabama rig and punching rod
Are any of you guys doing anything a little different to your rigs or are you just putting 5 swimbaits on and going at it?
7'6"H Vengeance 65lb 832 Suffix on a BPS Pro-Lite
1/8oz heads all the way around with Big Bite Baits 4 inch Cane Thumpers
Powell 795 A-rig rod, Chronarch E6 and 65lb braid or 20# hybrid.
Heavy rod, and 65lb braid.
On 2/1/2013 at 7:51 AM, War Eagle 44 said:Are any of you guys doing anything a little different to your rigs or are you just putting 5 swimbaits on and going at it?
I am experimenting with smaller outside baits to reduce weight. I have also added small
blades to the arms for more flash. As noted in my first post on this thread, my "money"
lure is the Johnson Silver Minnow.
On 2/1/2013 at 6:04 PM, roadwarrior said:I am experimenting with smaller outside baits to reduce weight. I have also added smallblades to the arms for more flash. As noted in my first post on this thread, my "money"
lure is the Johnson Silver Minnow.
Thanks again for the helpful ideas.
I finally gave the new combo a good workout this afternoon. They were crushing baitfish today so it turned out to be a great day to fish an A-Rig. I got between 18 & 20 bites and caught 8 or 9 (I lost exact count). It was a super fun afternoon on the water. I got that many bites in 2-1/2 hours fishing, hopefully I can get back out again tomorrow.
Nothing big but they sure made the day fun.
Unlike the others I can't afford a new rig for this thing so I picked an Alabama Rig which would work with something I already have.
For my 7' MH Baitcaster I throw both the 5 Wire and 3 Wire Flash Mob Jr. I use 20lb Seaguar Abrazx Fluorocarbon.
No luck catching anything yet.
I plan to devote a good amount of time to it this year though. Should be fun!
I have a fenwick aetos 7ft 9in H coming in sometime this week so we will see how it preforms. Hopefully it exceeds my expectations.
I am paring it with an abu garcia revo winch for a rigs.
On 3/8/2013 at 10:40 AM, Felix77 said:Unlike the others I can't afford a new rig for this thing so I picked an Alabama Rig which would work with something I already have.
For my 7' MH Baitcaster I throw both the 5 Wire and 3 Wire Flash Mob Jr. I use 20lb Seaguar Abrazx Fluorocarbon.
No luck catching anything yet.
I plan to devote a good amount of time to it this year though. Should be fun!
There is nothing wrong with making due with what you have. Just as long as you're happy while you're fishing and catching fish then you've got it made because that's the whole point of fishing in the first place, to have fun. It doesn't matter if your rod says "umbrella rig" on it or not. Good luck to you on your A-Rig.
On 3/8/2013 at 10:46 AM, tbone1993 said:I have a fenwick aetos 7ft 9in H coming in sometime this week so we will see how it preforms. Hopefully it exceeds my expectations.
I am paring it with an abu garcia revo winch for a rigs.
That's the same specs (7'9" H) as my Cumara A so I think it will do you a good job, as will the Winch. I've never fished one but I know there are to many guys saying to many good things about them for them not to be good reels.
I have been throwing rigs on a 7' MH Falcon Bucoo with a Lew's Speed Spool and 50# Power Pro, but I recently got now 7' heavy action that is going to be my
rod for throwing rigs. I've been making do as well and have been using the same same 7' combo for flipping/pitching, frogging, and rigs.
I'll throw them on a 7'8" h-f or an 8' xxh-xf carrot stix micro guide and a curado 300e with 50-65# braid depending on how heavy of a rig I'm throwing.
On 3/8/2013 at 12:12 PM, BenB54 said:I'll throw them on a 7'8" h-f or an 8' xxh-xf carrot stix micro guide and a curado 300e with 50-65# braid depending on how heavy of a rig I'm throwing.
So you practically throw the rig with a hickory limb for a rod... LOL WOW Might as well up it to 80# braid and rip the fish into the boat lol, I'm impressed
I came back to this because I didn't intend to sound sarcastic or cynical. In all honesty I just hadn't ever had any experience with rods rated over xh or really seen a need for one. I haven't thrown the A-rig religiously but I'm learning more about it with experience and from information on here, obviously a heavier rod is a GREAT advantage (glad I got one). In the past just threw it when the right conditions presented themselves and tailored the rig to my outfit.
Edited by ShoalamfishinOn 3/8/2013 at 11:17 AM, Shoalamfishin said:I have been throwing rigs on a 7' MH Falcon Bucoo with a Lew's Speed Spool and 50# Power Pro, but I recently got now 7' heavy action that is going to be my
rod for throwing rigs. I've been making do as well and have been using the same same 7' combo for flipping/pitching, frogging, and rigs.
How was that working previously? I know those rods are rated up to 3/4 oz in MH so were you throwing them on weightless hooks, small jigheads or 3 wire versions?
On 3/8/2013 at 12:35 PM, Diggy said:How was that working previously? I know those rods are rated up to 3/4 oz in MH so were you throwing them on weightless hooks, small jigheads or 3 wire versions?
I was wondering the same thing, I would think it'd be very difficult to cast them effectively.
On 3/8/2013 at 12:12 PM, BenB54 said:I'll throw them on a 7'8" h-f or an 8' xxh-xf carrot stix micro guide and a curado 300e with 50-65# braid depending on how heavy of a rig I'm throwing.
My fishing buddy has that same rod (8' XXH) that he also plans to use for rigs, he's suppose to be picking up his first one tomorrow to use when we go out Sunday. We'll see how it does. He's going to be using a Quantum Energy and 50# PPS8S.
It worked pretty well. I do throw a fair amount of 3 wire rigs, but for the full five wire rig I just rigged it light and it worked fine. Now though, with a 7' heavy,
i won't have to worry about that.
I might as well spill the beans and change my profile and icon, its probably about that time anyway, but I fish primarily rivers along with lakes and ponds (my trolling motor is out of commission so I haven't been out on lakes recently) when I get the chance and fishing target shoal bass, largies, and spotts. I have been kinda hesitant about putting all that out even on here as there has been some bad fishing/conservation/environmental practices mostly shortsighted locals, but the folks on here seem much more conscience about things.
That said the five wire hasn't been a key part of my arsenal lately. I haven't had any issues throwing it (it loaded a little heavy, so I might take that back) but without the trolling motor out it just hasn't seen the water for a little while, its a shame to because its getting to be prime time to throw it.
On 3/8/2013 at 12:19 PM, Shoalamfishin said:So you practically throw the rig with a hickory limb for a rod... LOL WOW Might as well up it to 80# braid and rip the fish into the boat lol, I'm impressed
I came back to this because I didn't intend to sound sarcastic or cynical. In all honesty I just hadn't ever had any experience with rods rated over xh or really seen a need for one. I haven't thrown the A-rig religiously but I'm learning more about it with experience and from information on here, obviously a heavier rod is a GREAT advantage (glad I got one). In the past just threw it when the right conditions presented themselves and tailored the rig to my outfit.
I knew someone would chime in on that, haha. It really isn't that bad or as stiff as it sounds. My 7'8" rod is rated for 1-3oz. and the 8' is 2-5oz. As far as longer rods go, the xxh is the next step up from the h in e21's lineup.
When I throw an A-rig, it's with a custom 8' Loomis BB rod (Thanks Ronnie!) and a Revo STX with 65lb braid.
The Picasso School-E rig has a resin head, and is high quality and very light. Put 1/8 0z. jigheads on it, and 3" swimbaits and you'll have no problem throwing them on MH gear.
Caught 12 more on this rod today. The more I use it the more I like it. I'm starting to be able to really sail the A-Rig out there pretty good. Hookset power on this rod is fantastic. I'm also really enjoying the 301E, it's a great choice for this technique, especially if you're like me and want to use heavy copoly instead of braid.
This is about the biggest one I got today.
I throw my Arigs on a couple different rods. I throw the vast majority on a Carrot Sticks Wild Black 8' xxh. I've grown to really like the way this rod loads and feels. I have the Cumara A rig rod as well, and use that primarily for rigs with blades attached. It does better with a heavier rig on it for some reason. The third rod I use is when I am throwing a three wire rig, a lot of times I end up throwing the three wire when I am really burning it or with buzzbaits. The rod in that case is a Cumara 7-11 MHXF. I have a Lexa 300 on the CStick, the Cumara A rig has a 300 Calcutta D, and the pair of Cumara 7-11s have a Calcutta200 D and a Chronarch E.
I don't throw an a rig, like ever. They couple times I have, I have used my stroix lt lipstick (musky) rod. 80lb braid plus any musky rod is probably overkill
On 3/9/2013 at 4:40 PM, Hooligan said:I throw my Arigs on a couple different rods. I throw the vast majority on a Carrot Sticks Wild Black 8' xxh. I've grown to really like the way this rod loads and feels. I have the Cumara A rig rod as well, and use that primarily for rigs with blades attached. It does better with a heavier rig on it for some reason. The third rod I use is when I am throwing a three wire rig, a lot of times I end up throwing the three wire when I am really burning it or with buzzbaits. The rod in that case is a Cumara 7-11 MHXF. I have a Lexa 300 on the CStick, the Cumara A rig has a 300 Calcutta D, and the pair of Cumara 7-11s have a Calcutta200 D and a Chronarch E.
Nice collection of Shimano gear there. I thought seriously about getting a 301 Calcutta D before going with the Curado 301E. I'm very happy with my setup the way it is, can't say I wouldn't have liked the Calcutta just as well or even better but at this point I don't have any reason whatsoever to look for another reel. I am happy to hear the rod does well with heavier rigs because later this sumer I might try to get one down deep and see how that works. Right now I have four 1/8oz swimbait hooks on the outside and a 1/4oz in the center so my rig isn't heavy at all yet. Also the head on my bait isn't weighted so the only real weight it has on it is what I chose to put on it.
On 3/9/2013 at 4:52 PM, Greenstealth said:I don't throw an a rig, like ever. They couple times I have, I have used my stroix lt lipstick (musky) rod. 80lb braid plus any musky rod is probably overkill
I'm not so sure the 80# braid is that big of an overkill but the rod may be, I don't have any idea of how "heavy duty" musky rods are as I've never ran across one down here. If you start to get pretty heavy with your A-Rig then the 80# braid may come in handy in case of a backlash. Don't want to see all that money sailing away never to return again because the braid was to thin and cut itself.
I finally dedicated one rod and reel to A rigs and Swim baits. Ive converted my Castaway Skeleton 7'6"Heavy slow action Flippin Stick (they call it slow but its mod fast) i took the Zillion 7:1 off and put a new Cardiff 300A on it. I normally dont go higher than 50lb braid on but i went bought some 65lb Spiderwire Stealth.
I was able to do this because i bought a 7'7" Cumara back durring the Christmas Sale from TW and still didnt put a reel on it . So i bought the Cardiff at the last sale and problem/solved!
I fished the Castaway/Cardiff combo today with an A rig and did catch 1 fish with the Picasso School E w/ 1/4oz basstrixx's. It felt great, and the action is almost perfect for the A Rig.
This is good for now, if i progress well with A rigs and swimmers, i may buy a "swimbait rod"ive. But this rig will definitely do the job!!