Using 7.x:1 For Everything? 2024
ABW reply :
Is it just me or does anyone else do this? I never deep crank so there's no need for the 5.x:1's. With a 7.1:1 I feel that if I want to fish something slower, reel slower. If a fish is coming at me, I have a better chance of not letting him get slack in the line.
Montanaro reply :
Eeeh...even if you reel slow you are still bringing in a lot of line. I've noticed my chatterbaits ride higher and don't creep through the strike zone even when I reel slow with 7.1:1.
Biggest problem is trebles and hauling a fish in too fast.
Darren. reply :
On 9/12/2014 at 10:02 AM, alee17 said:Is it just me or does anyone else do this? I never deep crank so there's no need for the 5.x:1's. With a 7.1:1 I feel that if I want to fish something slower, reel slower. If a fish is coming at me, I have a better chance of not letting him get slack in the line.
I would tend to agree. But I tend to fish soft plastics mostly, and when I want the worm in, I can bring it in quickly. Problem is, I wish my favorite reels (Chronarch 50e) were 7.1:1. But I make do.... 
If I were a wide-range-of-lures-and-such-fisherman, I'd probably like several reels at different ratios. That said, when I do fish a lure, I like either the 50e or my Lexa 7.1:1. Or one of my Stradics.
PersicoTrotaVA reply :
My cranking rod has a 5.4:1 reel on it, my spinnerbait rod has a 6.4:1 reel on it, My flippin and pitchin stick has a 7.1:1. My everything rod has an 8.1:1 reel on it. I fish everything on that rod except crankbaits. I love 8.1:1, I can cover a lot of water with it.
Josh Smith reply :
All I own are 4.7:1, 5.0:1, and 5.3:1, and one (5600c4 Mag) that's a 6.3:1 gear ratio.
The 4.7:1 reels retrieve 23IPT.
The 5.0:1 reels are similar, maybe a little less due to a different spool size.
The 5.3:1 retrieves 26IPT.
The 6.3:1 retrieves 30IPT.
All but the 5.0:1 reels are round Abu Garcias. The 5.0:1 are Quantums.
I'm looking at charts for modern low-profiles.
My 6.3:1 round has about the same retrieve rate as a 7.0:1 low profile.
My 5.3:1 round has about the same retrieve rate as a 6.3:1 low profile.
My 4.7:1 round has about the same retrieve rate as 5.3:1 low profile.
Interesting. I've never really sat down and compared all that before.
So, you're running about 30IPT? If you can keep that up and you're catching fish, more power to you!
For me, that's a bit fast, though, and I prefer my 23IPT and 26IPT reels for most things.
Regards,
Josh
ChrisD46 reply :
Another application for a slower 5.x:1 or a 6.x:1 reel retrieve ratio would be for a large , single blade , colorado spinner bait used for slow rolling along the bottom at night .
Catch and Grease reply :
I use 7.3 for most everything.
I like a little slower for crank baits, like a 6.5
Grantman83 reply :
If keith combs and aaron marten can deep crank with high ratios than it can be done. Doesn't mean that's how I wanna do it lol
mjseverson24 reply :
So far I have stuck with 6:1 and 7+:1, 6's for horizontal presentations and 7's for bottom contact and frogs/buzzbaits. on my deeper cranking set ups I have 6:1's but I put a 100+mm handle on it to increase torque. If I used really deep cranks (over 20 Ft) I would probably get a 4 or 5:1 and still put the big handle on it. in my opinion you could probably get away better with a 6:1 than a 7, but why limit yourself.
Mitch
Josh Smith reply :
On 9/12/2014 at 9:34 PM, Grantman83 said:If keith combs and aaron marten can deep crank with high ratios than it can be done. Doesn't mean that's how I wanna do it lol
I agree with this. I was in Aikido for several years, was an auto tech, and still work with my hands. My forearms are pretty strong.
Reeling all day with even a 7.0:1 isn't an issue. It's that reeling that much slower doesn't feel natural any more than going to 3.8 gears feels natural.
Everything produces its best torque in a certain range. Mountain bikes, for example, have all those gears so that one can keep in his torque range no matter the speed.
The way I see it, the same is true with reels. Reels that give you 23IPT to 26IPT cover more bases than a 30IPT reel, though the latter has its place.
Regards,
Josh
kikstand454 reply :
On 9/13/2014 at 2:48 AM, Josh Smith said:I agree with this. I was in Aikido for several years, was an auto tech, and still work with my hands. My forearms are pretty strong.
Reeling all day with even a 7.0:1 isn't an issue. It's that reeling that much slower doesn't feel natural any more than going to 3.8 gears feels natural.
Everything produces its best torque in a certain range. Mountain bikes, for example, have all those gears so that one can keep in his torque range no matter the speed.
The way I see it, the same is true with reels. Reels that give you 23IPT to 26IPT cover more bases than a 30IPT reel, though the latter has its place.
Regards,
Josh
So much this.
IMO wanting a lower ratio for deep cranks has alot more to do with torque than it does speed. Dragging a 3/4oz lure, 20+ft underwater and grinding the bottom will wear you out. But like mentioned above, having the appropriate gear for the resistance your encountering makes life alot easier.
OntarioFishingGuy reply :
I like high speed reels, not for catching up to a fish, but to get the lure back to the boat quickly. That said, I don't use them for everything, just for things like punching/flipping and topwater, everything else I use a 6.4 or 5.4.
greentrout reply :
I once fished with an old gentleman who be on the boat with two spincast setups. He would usually have one rigged with a Texas
rigged worm and Devil's Horse on the other one. The reels were old Zebcos and Johnsons with a reel ratio of about 3:1 and would
bring in per handle turn 15 to 19 inches.
We fished farm ponds, State Parks and private lakes. He kept things simple and what he did he was very good at. He caught a lot
of bass.
Old school basser....
doyle8218 reply :
greentrout reply :
Old school basser...
Jrob78 reply :
I love high speed reels for anything slack line, (jigs, t rigs, c rigs, punching, Senkos, etc) and frogs. When you work the bait with the rod, reel speed doesn't really effect the retrieve.
For moving baits like crankbaits, jerkbaits, topwater, spinnerbaits, etc, I like a slower reel. I tend to reel faster than I should and a slower reel keeps me from overdoing it. I also like the added torque you get from lower geared reels for cranks and spinnerbaits.
Josh Smith reply :
On 9/13/2014 at 10:35 AM, doyle8218 said:
OK, so, paraphrasing:
"I use 7.1:1 reels. The stress on the gears is so much that they had to beef them up. Additionally, the 7:1 is so hard to crank that I need a larger handle. That larger handle effectively reduces the overall gear ratio because the handle is, itself, a gear."
It makes no sense. It's a marketing gimmick. You could do the same thing by putting a smaller handle on a lower gear ratio reel. Sure, maybe you get an easy 33ipt or whatever, but your hand travels a further distance.
You cannot create energy. It just can't be done.
Josh
TrippyJai reply :
I prefer 6:1 for anything that needs to be constantly moving such as a crankbait, spinnerbait, some top water baits, chatterbaits, etc. I would only use a 5:1 for deep cranking which I don't do.
7:1 for the rest such as flipping, pitching, t-rigs, heavy cover, etc.
Don't care for the super high speed reels like 7+:1.
aavery2 reply :
On 9/13/2014 at 1:35 PM, Josh Smith said:OK, so, paraphrasing:
That larger handle effectively reduces the overall gear ratio because the handle is, itself, a gear."
Increasing the handle length does not change the gear ratio. The ratio between the handle and drive gear is 1 to 1 regardless of handle length. What is gained with an increase in handle length is leverage.
Sorry I didn't understand your point about the shorter handle, can you elaborate a little on it.
Grantman83 reply :
I think he was saying you could speed up a slower speed reel by putting a shorter handle on it. Shorter handle means more rotations more quickly ergo more speed.
The gear ratio stays the same but the speed of the rotations will go up because your hand has less distance to travel.
aavery2 reply :
On 9/13/2014 at 6:47 PM, Grantman83 said:I think he was saying you could speed up a slower speed reel by putting a shorter handle on it. Shorter handle means more rotations more quickly ergo more speed.
The gear ratio stays the same but the speed of the rotations will go up because your hand has less distance to travel.
Thanks for the explanation, in my mind the difference in time it takes to make 1 rotation with an 80mm handle -vs- a 100mm is so small that it makes no practical difference.
Josh Smith reply :
On 9/13/2014 at 5:02 PM, aavery2 said:Increasing the handle length does not change the gear ratio. The ratio between the handle and drive gear is 1 to 1 regardless of handle length. What is gained with an increase in handle length is leverage.
Sorry I didn't understand your point about the shorter handle, can you elaborate a little on it.
On 9/13/2014 at 6:47 PM, Grantman83 said:I think he was saying you could speed up a slower speed reel by putting a shorter handle on it. Shorter handle means more rotations more quickly ergo more speed.
The gear ratio stays the same but the speed of the rotations will go up because your hand has less distance to travel.
On 9/13/2014 at 11:13 PM, aavery2 said:Thanks for the explanation, in my mind the difference in time it takes to make 1 rotation with an 80mm handle -vs- a 100mm is so small that it makes no practical difference.
Hello,
The crank handle is just a lever, and the lever is the simplest tool.
It consists of a stick (or whatever) and a fulcrum. This applies to rods as well as reel handles, and it's one reason I don't understand when folks say longer rods give them mechanical advantage in fighting fish.
Explanation to follow. I'm going to draw up a couple pictures and scan them.
Regards,
Josh
Josh Smith reply :
OK, here's the math showing the mechanical advantages/disadvantages. Using a rod, the mechanical advantage always goes to the fish. It's just how much advantage you're willing to give up to the fish that you have to determine.
All a rod is, is a series of mechanical advantages/disadvantages. The above shows the relationship. It's a series of levers. All a gear is, is a round lever, by the way.
The title of the picture is "Force Multiplier" (or, could also be named "Why You Should Have Paid Attention in High School") 
Let me know if you can't read something; I'm no longer used to drawing schematics for anyone but me.
Longer rods give the bass a greater mechanical advantage over the angler. A rod that has a medium action doesn't give up as much as it bends in the middle and reduces the overall length. For the argument, however, we're assuming stiff rods with no bend. Theoretical rods, in other words, or rods with the same amount of softness in the tip and strong backbones.
Likewise, if you have two different rod handles, the longer one will do less work than the shorter one for the same distance traveled, but in return you don't have to reel quite as hard.
Make sense? Can you read it?
Regards,
Josh
P.S. I noticed I messed up the math. It should have been 2πr. I don't know why I did that. The new numbers should be 12.56 inches vs 9.42 inches. I don't know why I did that.
aavery2 reply :
Thanks for taking the time to draw the picture and do the math. I understand the physics of it completely. On a larger scale a longer handle would have some real world implications that would have to be considered if you wanted to gain the additional leverage by extending it.
The trade off for gaining the additional leverage of a 100mm handle over that of an 80MM handle is that you have to move the handle an additional 2.5" per rotation to perform the same work. In real world application with a fishing reel, the time it takes to move this additional distance is almost unmeasurable. Fractions of a second.
So what you end up with is this, a shorter handle requires more effort to perform the same amount of work and is insignificantly faster.
Just my thoughts
DTack reply :
I like fast reels. I like catching big bass and showing them to people. I don't like doing math.
If you feel like you're reeling a bait too fast, slow down. If you don't feel like you can slow down, get a slower reel for the job.
I like the fastest reel I can get away with.
Josh Smith reply :
On 9/14/2014 at 7:33 AM, aavery2 said:Thanks for taking the time to draw the picture and do the math. I understand the physics of it completely. On a larger scale a longer handle would have some real world implications that would have to be considered if you wanted to gain the additional leverage by extending it.
The trade off for gaining the additional leverage of a 100mm handle over that of an 80MM handle is that you have to move the handle an additional 2.5" per rotation to perform the same work. In real world application with a fishing reel, the time it takes to move this additional distance is almost unmeasurable. Fractions of a second.
So what you end up with is this, a shorter handle requires more effort to perform the same amount of work and is insignificantly faster.
Just my thoughts
I noticed I messed up the math. It should have been 2πr. I don't know why I did that. The new numbers should be 12.56 inches vs 9.42 inches. I don't know why I did that. It's embarrassing.
I agree that it may be insignificantly faster taken by itself. However, taken as a whole and multiplied by the reel's gears, it starts to become significant.
The true overall ratio of a reel should be measured in inches per turn of the handle for inches of line retrieved. This gives a truer picture.
If I have a 3" handle, one complete revolution will travel is 9.42" . A 2.5" handle will travel about 2" less.
The insignificance does give way to what feels right for a given application.
The small handles which came with the first Ambassadeur reels, for example, feel too small for most things save maybe panfish. They do let you reel faster on the 3.8 gears, but it doesn't feel right.
A larger, aftermarket handle and upgraded gears feel better, to me, anyway.
That's the thing: The difference between a 2.5" handle and a 3" handle is insignificant until you start talking subjective observation. At around 3" of handle, your wrist stops doing all the work and your forearm and even upper arm begin doing the work.
This is why I'm interested in IPT and overall ratio vs gear ratio.
Regards,
Josh
aavery2 reply :
On 9/14/2014 at 8:27 AM, Josh Smith said:I noticed I messed up the math. It should have been 2πr. I don't know why I did that. The new numbers should be 12.56 inches vs 9.42 inches. I don't know why I did that. It's embarrassing.
I agree that it may be insignificantly faster taken by itself. However, taken as a whole and multiplied by the reel's gears, it starts to become significant.
The true overall ratio of a reel should be measured in inches per turn of the handle for inches of line retrieved. This gives a truer picture.
If I have a 3" handle, one complete revolution will travel is 9.42" . A 2.5" handle will travel about 2" less.
The insignificance does give way to what feels right for a given application.
The small handles which came with the first Ambassadeur reels, for example, feel too small for most things save maybe panfish. They do let you reel faster on the 3.8 gears, but it doesn't feel right.
A larger, aftermarket handle and upgraded gears feel better, to me, anyway.
That's the thing: The difference between a 2.5" handle and a 3" handle is insignificant until you start talking subjective observation. At around 3" of handle, your wrist stops doing all the work and your forearm and even upper arm begin doing the work.
This is why I'm interested in IPT and overall ratio vs gear ratio.
Regards,
Josh
This was part of your original statement and what I was addressing, "That larger handle effectively reduces the overall gear ratio because the handle is, itself, a gear." and I will stand by my statement that handle length has no effect on gear ratio. If we are now discussing something different it may be above my pay grade.
David P reply :
On 9/14/2014 at 8:26 AM, DTack said:I like fast reels. I like catching big bass and showing them to people. I don't like doing math.
If you feel like you're reeling a bait too fast, slow down. If you don't feel like you can slow down, get a slower reel for the job.
I like the fastest reel I can get away with.
Simplest and best explanation. Go as fast as you personally like.
Lot of guys deep crank with HIGH speed reels, others think it's too much "work" and get fatigued.
EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT... fish what feels best for you.
Can you use high speed for everything? Hell yes.
Loop_Dad reply :
On 9/12/2014 at 10:02 AM, alee17 said:Is it just me or does anyone else do this? I never deep crank so there's no need for the 5.x:1's. With a 7.1:1 I feel that if I want to fish something slower, reel slower. If a fish is coming at me, I have a better chance of not letting him get slack in the line.
No just you. I do exactly that. To me it is much easier to adjust the speed manually by me, than trying to remember 'which reel am I using again?' Also keeping them same makes it possible to rotate the reels.
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