Standard knot for tying swivels & hooks? 2025
rustybass reply :
Is there a standard knot for tying swivels & hooks?
ike8120 reply :
I use an improved clinch knot, with braid I use a palomar.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 1:08 AM, rustybass said:Is there a standard knot for tying swivels & hooks?
Knot as I've noticed. 
https://www.***.com/fishing_knots
hwright38 reply :
You can't go wrong with a Palomar knot, San Diego Jam, or Improved Clinch. The Palomar is the strongest, but if the eyelet is too small or your line is too big it can be tricky to tie.
Make sure you're lubricating your knots too.
MickD reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 3:20 AM, hwright38 said:eyelet is too small or your line is too big
Just stick the open end through, then back through.
I like the improved clinch because it's so easy, I don't blow it and end up with a tangle, it's reliable in meeting its potential. If it's potential is a little lower than my double uni then I know the line will break at the lure, and not at the double uni.
hwright38 reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 3:25 AM, MickD said:Just stick the open end through, then back through.
Try that on a size 20 wd-40 and get back to me lol.
fin reply :
There's very little, if anything, that's 'standard' in fishing.
I used the Improved Clinch for years until I finally tried tried the San Diego Jam test and I've been using it ever since. It's a little bit more complicated, but way more reliable, and once you get used to tying any knot, it's like riding a bicycle.
Scott F reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 3:58 AM, fin said:........ and once you get used to tying any knot, it's like riding a bicycle.
Why? Cause if you stop too quick you'll get thrown off?
fin reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 4:28 AM, Scott F said:Why? Cause if you stop too quick you'll get thrown off?
It's easier to do when sober, in daylight, and when you're younger.
Really it's not much like riding a bicycle at all, is it? I forget how to tie any knots I don't use all the time.
roadwarrior reply :
https://www.***.com/fishing_knots/pitzen-knot
WRB reply :
The clinch or improved clinch knot was called the fishermans knot and considered "standard" when monofilament line was "standard" line used.
Palomar knot became widely used since the early '80's.
The Duncan knot was hijacked and now known as the Uni knot.
San Diego Jam knot is a popular FC line knot.
Today I would say the Palomar knot is easy to tie on hooks, clips and swivels and could be called a standard knot by today's bass snglers.
Take you pick, tied right they work good.
Tom
MickD reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 3:30 AM, hwright38 said:Try that on a size 20 wd-40 and get back to me lol.
I don't know what a size 20 wd-40 is. lol
I just know that there are few instances when the eye of the lure is smaller than twice the diameter of the line/leader used. I've never encountered that.
hwright38 reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 7:45 AM, MickD said:I don't know what a size 20 wd-40 is. lol
I just know that there are few instances when the eye of the lure is smaller than twice the diameter of the line/leader used. I've never encountered that.
It's a fly pattern, and size 20 is pretty dinky (at least relative to the bass world). I encounter many instances where I'm using smaller hooks and bigger line, which may be my own fault but when it's what you've got it's what you've got. My point is that the Palomar knot is my personal go-to unless I physically can't tie it due to constraints in my gear (or cold fingers), which is a real possibility. Just putting all the cards on the table I guess.
MickD reply :
I thought so. You don't need a palomar for a size 20 fly. Use a non slip loop knot. One time through the eye, and freedom to move. I get the cold fingers and the big lure, and other things that make the palomar tough, and that is why I only use it for drop shot hooks. Then I put the line through, and then put it through again. ????
Obi_Wan reply :
I like a Fish n Fool knot, uni knot, San Diego Jam, or Eugene Bend. I will sometimes tie a Eugene bend and go through the eye twice like a Fish n fool.
Shimano_1 reply :
I use a palomar for virtually everything except frogs. I use a loop knot for frogs
OnthePotomac reply :
I gave up a different knot for different lines years and everything gets a uni whether it is overkill or not. I never have a break off.
islandbass reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 3:20 AM, hwright38 said:You can't go wrong with a Palomar knot, San Diego Jam, or Improved Clinch. The Palomar is the strongest, but if the eyelet is too small or your line is too big it can be tricky to tie.
Make sure you're lubricating your knots too.
Why would it be tricky with a smaller hole? Unless you form the loop first and then try to insert the loop in a small diameter hole. I chuckle when I see people do this. Insert the line through the eyelet first then bring it back through the eyelet. That’s how I do it. I never create the loop first. Now if you meant it might be difficult because bad eyesight and small hooks don’t do well together, that is true.
Hulkster reply :
on my first cast fishing today I cast my big spinnerbait into a tree.
I had 14 pound test Sufix Siege tied on with a standard palomar knot and I couldnt get it to break off. i had to cut it. the palomar is a super strong knot and very easy to tie
Allen Der reply :
I'd say if you were only going to learn one knot it should be the uni, after all it is universal for all line types and you can use it to tie leaders to mainline.
Bass Junke reply :
On 7/1/2019 at 10:58 AM, Hulkster said:on my first cast fishing today I cast my big spinnerbait into a tree.
I had 14 pound test Sufix Siege tied on with a standard palomar knot and I couldnt get it to break off. i had to cut it. the palomar is a super strong knot and very easy to tie
Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter. Another vote for the Uni for me. Tie it to your spool, line to line or any terminal tackle. One knot to rule them all! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry, seriously though, the best part about the Uni knot IMO it the way it finishes, no fussing, not adjusting. Just pull about 85-90% wet it and cinch it up to the eye. Just about perfect every time.
fin reply :
On 7/2/2019 at 2:19 AM, Bass Junke said:Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter.
I agree. Another problem I have with it is it leaves a long tag end, wasting a lot of my leader each time I retie. It's a good knot, simple to tie, but those other problems disqualify it for me.
Uni is a little bit awkward for my old eyes and fingers, but I use it for tying on skirts.
islandbass reply :
On 7/2/2019 at 2:19 AM, Bass Junke said:Palomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter. Another vote for the Uni for me. Tie it to your spool, line to line or any terminal tackle. One knot to rule them all! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry, seriously though, the best part about the Uni knot IMO it the way it finishes, no fussing, not adjusting. Just pull about 85-90% wet it and cinch it up to the eye. Just about perfect every time.
The problem for me with the Uni Knot is I memorize at home and retain on the trip to the lake and then when I do to tie it, like Vanish fluorocarbon, POOF! The memorization is gone. Every time! So it's faster that I tie an improved clinch knot for spinnerbaits than to search it up on my smart phone. I also don't like to pull out my phone when fishing. One of these days I'll get it. I use the double uni on occasion to join lines but it is always done at home in front of the PC, lol.
Bass Junke reply :
I started messing with the Triline knot and the Orvis knot because the tag end points in the opposite direction from the Uni. Orvis knot on the tops Uni knot on the bottom. Made the tag ends all face away from direction of travel, cut down on picking up muck. At some point I realized that it does not make much difference so I just tie Uni knots now.
soflabasser reply :
Uni knot
Hulkster reply :
On 7/2/2019 at 8:33 AM, soflabasser said:Quote
QuotePalomar knot with a spinner bait?!? Are we talking about the same knot? I love the palomar knot use for tying drop shot rigs. It is to difficult to tie with spinner bait and any bait with a treble hook for that matter.
Agreed it can be difficult because you have to pass the whole lure through the loop. However, in this case I had on a wire leader because there are pike/musky in addition to bass where i was fishing. So in this case i only had the pass the leader through 
Steveo-1969 reply :
I use the Trilene knot for every line type.
Choporoz reply :
Palomar with braid
San Diego Jam with anything else
Allen Der reply :
On 7/2/2019 at 10:30 PM, Steveo-1969 said:I use the Trilene knot for every line type.
I use the trilene with mono but have had terrible luck with it slipping on fluorocarbon. Never tried it on braid, always use a Palomar
Hulkster reply :
i had issues with the trilene knot (aka improved clinch knot) slip with slick monofilament lines like sufix Siege. so i switched to the palomar and have had great success with it. its impossible to break lol
Bankbeater reply :
Snaps, swivels, jigs, and worm hooks get tied with a palomar knot. Spinnerbaits, and treble hooks get the improved clinch knot.
Steveo-1969 reply :
On 7/4/2019 at 6:13 AM, Hulkster said:i had issues with the trilene knot (aka improved clinch knot) slip with slick monofilament lines like sufix Siege. so i switched to the palomar and have had great success with it. its impossible to break lol
Sorry @Hulkster. The Trilene knot is not the same as the improved clinch knot.
scaleface reply :
I use the trilene knot too . Its a 100 percent knot .Its not the same as the improved cinch but close . One trick to tying it is to put the tip of your index finger through the second loop .
Bass Junke reply :
I do not believe any knot tests to 100%.
scaleface reply :
On 7/6/2019 at 1:49 AM, Bass Junke said:I do not believe any knot tests to 100%.
Theres testing on youtube . the Triene and palomar both tested to 100 percent . The knots did not break . The main line broke .
Team9nine reply :
On 7/6/2019 at 5:41 AM, scaleface said:Theres testing on youtube . the Triene and palomar both tested to 100 percent . The knots did not break . The main line broke .
Faulty test...or 100% of rated strength, not ABS. You can’t make a line stronger by tying a knot into it.
Just one of many I could link to...
https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fishing-knots/
scaleface reply :
On 7/6/2019 at 6:01 AM, Team9nine said:Faulty test...or 100% of rated strength, not ABS. You can’t make a line stronger by tying a knot into it.
Just one of many I could link to...
https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fishing-knots/
Heres a link to the video . It could be faulty testing or misleading but to me it appears to be legit .
scaleface reply :
On the video he states that multiple times the line broke before the knots . He didnt say 100 per cent of the time .
Team9nine reply :
I like the Knot Wars stuff, and see why he referred to those as "100% knots." Berkley even references that particular set of knots/tests as such on their website to this day. I've used the Palomar for going on 30 years now, so I know how good of a knot it is. I'd like to see their full set of data on both the straight line (ABS) as well as their individual reps (knot testing) to get a more accurate assessment. I'm guesing they are really close to 100% (in mono/copoly) because everything was tested dry in the lab under slow and evenly applied tension. You would obviously get a very different result if you tested after either soaking or with line that had been fished with and any degree of moisture absorption having occurred (mono and to some degree fluoro). I think it's physically impossible to get anything resembling 100% in superlines no matter what state you test them.
hwright38 reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 11:17 PM, islandbass said:Why would it be tricky with a smaller hole?
Because the hole could be small enough you can't pass the line through it twice?
IdahoAngler reply :
I grew up using the clinch knot/blood knot and I've lost a lot of lures over the years. Now I use the uni knot on all my mono/fluoro and palomar on braided.
islandbass reply :
On 7/8/2019 at 3:20 AM, hwright38 said:Because the hole could be small enough you can't pass the line through it twice?
Possible, but rare I suppose. For most bass applications, I can’t think of a time we’d encounter this issue. If it does arise, the improved clinch knot would be an excellent alternative.
NHBull reply :
Truth be told, the one you can tie flawlessly is the way to go.
I only tie the Palomar with braid.
Uni, San Diego and SG get my call for all others, with the improved Uni getting the call most of the time
https://youtu.be/3I905PXIYww
greentrout reply :
trilene, san diego jam and pitzen ...
good fishing ...
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