Rod tip for strike indicator 2024
WRB reply :
There was for a short time a thread by Matt Allen using the rods deflection for strike indicator I thought was a good topic.
The basics are when a very active bass strikes we all detect it, when a less active bass strikes we often miss it and I agree.
Using finesse presentations like a drop shot for example the rig has a normal resistance that bends your rid tip the same when you move the weight, let's say that is 2" bend for this discussion. If for any reason your rid tip bends more then 2" that often indicates a bass has the lure in it's mouth and is sitting there, I call this a pressure bite and you need to instantly set the hook.
The nothing bite can also be detected when the rod tip go straight in lieu of it's normal 2" bend, this indicated the bass has the lure in it's and moving towards you, reel fast and set the hook.
Matt's point is you can see the difference in rod deflection but can't always feel it and I agree if you don't feel the line with your finger tips.
Thoughts....
Tom
12poundbass reply :
I've been using my finger for a while now. I'm going to give this a try. I might be depressed to see how many bites I've been missing.
TnRiver46 reply :
Good info, although I thought you weren't supposed to set the hook with a drop shot??? Just kidding i knew what you meant
MassYak85 reply :
I saw his video on it and it is definitely something I'll pay more attention to. My only concern is fishing around or through cover where "extra pressure" might just be the weight/lure getting caught in some weeds or trying to come over a log etc. I'm sure we'd all be shocked if we could know how many times fish have picked up our bait and gone completely unnoticed by us.
BuzzHudson19c reply :
I thought it was interesting, but personally I don't like it. However my finesse type of stuff is pretty light. Spinning tackle, 6'6 med/light and 8lb mono. I've yet to have a fish surprise me and not be able to feel it on that, with the only exception being in heavy current. But whatever works and helps people catch fish, do it.
12poundbass reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 1:18 AM, MassYak85 said:My only concern is fishing around or through cover where "extra pressure" might just be the weight/lure getting caught in some weeds or trying to come over a log etc.
My thought at first....but hooksets are free! ?
Catt reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 1:25 AM, BuzzHudson19c said:I've yet to have a fish surprise me and not be able to feel it on that
I can guarantee you every time you have been fishing it's happened & more than once!
Get on YouTube, search for Glen Lau's Bigmouth & Bigmouth Forever.
Many will say "But that was back in the 70s, rods are more sensitive, lines are better, yada, yada, yada"
Still happening to everyone! ?
Team9nine reply :
...And this is why I love spending so much time out in open water tossing lightweight jigs for crappie - the best way to learn about pressure bites. It's how I showed Wheeler.
Todd2 reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 12:46 AM, WRB said:let's say that is 2" bend for this discussion. If for any reason your rid tip bends more then 2" that often indicates a bass has the lure in it's mouth and is sitting there
So if I'm dragging along and the normal is 2", as soon as I hang on anything it's gonna load up more than that...right? That's the only thing that confused me in the video.
Columbia Craw reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 2:54 AM, Catt said:
I can guarantee you every time you have been fishing it's happened & more than once!
Get on YouTube, search for Glen Lau's Bigmouth & Bigmouth Forever.
Many will say "But that was back in the 70s, rods are more sensitive, lines are better, yada, yada, yada"
Still happening to everyone! ?
When I watched the video, this is exactly what came to mind ! So what do you want to watch, your line or your rod tip ? I prefer to watch my line. I understand the concept Matt Allen is stressing but it needs to be tempered. Not everyone is fishing a Dobyns 742SF with a drop shot. The more bites and type of bites you detect or don't detect is the best learning tool. My buddy John Sewell taught me that decades ago when I learned to fish a worm. I found I was actually pulling my worm out of the fishes mouth, thinking it was vegetation, until one would not let go. The light bulb lit up. I told John I had to have a bass commit "Sewell-cide" to finally get it. I then caught *** in a row.
Jerryj33 reply :
Been paying very close attention to this all week since Matt and Tim dropped that video. Haven't definitively caught a fish because of it though, but it's been extremely tough fishing this week and not much catching. However, I started keeping my index finger on my line on spinning rods earlier this season, and I definitely noticed bites I would have missed. The whole rod deflection thing seems extremely situational to me. As in only in situations where there is absolutely nothing that could obstruct your weight/lure. And that rarely ever happens for me.
MassYak85 reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 3:34 AM, Columbia Craw said:
When I watched the video, this is exactly what came to mind ! So what do you want to watch, your line or your rod tip ? I prefer to watch my line. I understand the concept Matt Allen is stressing but it needs to be tempered. Not everyone is fishing a Dobyns 742SF with a drop shot. The more bites and type of bites you detect or don't detect is the best learning tool. My buddy John Sewell taught me that decades ago when I learned to fish a worm. I found I was actually pulling my worm out of the fishes mouth, thinking it was vegetation, until one would not let go. The light bulb lit up. I told John I had to have a bass commit "Sewell-cide" to finally get it. I then caught *** in a row.
I've definitely had the vegetation with a worm thing happen to me. Sometimes I can even tell afterwards that the pressure just let go way too suddenly for it to just be slipping out the weeds.
On 9/23/2017 at 1:30 AM, 12poundbass said:My thought at first....but hooksets are free! ?
Until you bury a tungsten weight in between two rocks, then it costs 5 bucks haha. But yea for most situations I've tried to be a little more liberal with my hooksets this year, I think it is helping a little bit.
WRB reply :
I will take this a step further and say we miss more strikes then we detect, especially on big bass. The bigger the basses mouth is the harder strike detection becomes so take heed and stay focused.
Bed bass are a good lesson for every bass angler where water clarity allows to to watch the bass strike lures. Realize these bass are not eating the lure, they are trying to remove it from the nest and the only way they can do that is with their mouth. You watching the bass for the strike and can't feel it when it happens a high percentage of the time.
You normally can see bass strike underwater lures, you need to detect a strike you can't see. Rod tip movements can be a good strike indicator until the bass feels the resistance and rejects the lure.
I have caught more giant bass on small size lures like a 4" jigs than all other lures I use combined and don't know anyone else who has caught more. Not bragging, just pointing out how important strike detection is, it's the difference between consistantly catching the biggest bass in any lake verses catching only the smaller most aggressive bass.
When I fish with a partner they are often behind me and thier rod tip is only visible if I make an effort to watch it. I see more strikes missed then my partner detects, when I watch his rod tip move or go slack, often without any reaction because they are not focused.
I am a line feeler with the line going over my index finger tip under my thumb pad and rely on detecting strikes by feeling them. It's easier to see your partners rod tip move then your own, they see your rod tip sideways, you don't.
Working through weeds you feel a rubber band type resistance before it releases, if you feel that same rubber band resistance and you are not moving your rod tip, set the hook!
You will become a better bass angler if you improve your strike detection kills and trust me on this, you need to improve, we all do!
Tom
J Francho reply :
If your rod tip moves 2" and you can't feel it, then you need to see the doctor!
WRB reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 4:08 AM, J Francho said:If your rod tip moves 2" and you can't feel it, then you need to see the doctor!
It's a hypothetical "normal" rod flex moving the lure/weight, like your 1/2oz drop shot weight and I hope anyone can see it and then see the difference when it flexes another inch.
Tom
MrPeanut reply :
I know I definitely miss strikes at times, but I'm getting better at it. For me, the light bulb went off when I caught a couple I didnt feel bite at all, but was using an exposed hook and they ended up hooking themselves. Luckily they weren't gut hooked or anything, but taught me to get my head in the game haha
islandbass reply :
I think we need watch both rod tip and line for anything that we don't personally add to the rod/line/bait equation.
When I watched that video, I was thinking, dang! That's what I do (in addition to watching the line)
I can share with every one from personal observation and experience that if the line has too much slack, i.e., if it is more slack than the controlled slack that is used in drop shotting, we will NOT feel that bite. Simply, there has to be a certain amount of tension for us to have a chance at detecting the bite or take.
I watch my line, bait and all, and I'd leave excessive slack intentionally. I see them take. They might remain still or even slightly move a little. It was incredible. Seeing them take, but I could not feel anything whatsoever, but I can clearly see that they took it.
Incredible as in its literal meaning, not believable. Here I thought, I could feel every bite, and I wasn't. I shudder to think how many fish I missed when this exact same thing happens sight unseen. Yow-sah!
So when I have enough mental energy to stay focused, I really try to pay attention to rod tip, line and try to ensure I have at least a controlled amount of slack. Do I probably still miss fish? I think so, but I strive to minimize those losses.
BuzzHudson19c reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 2:54 AM, Catt said:
I can guarantee you every time you have been fishing it's happened & more than once!
Absolutely. I'm sure it happens. What I mean to say is I am not missing more fish by not staring at my rod tip. If I can't feel it, then I wouldn't see it.
I have watched a few videos on it and it just seems like something you tell someone to do who has never held a rod before.
All this being said, we are talking about people that have caught more and bigger fish than I have, so maybe something to try next time I got the jigs or finesse stuff out.
Catt reply :
Sensitivity strarts in the hands & continues up to the brain.
Let me explain it this way!
I could put any high end reel on any high end rod, spool it with braid for maximum sensitivity, tie on a Texas rig & then give it to my wife. She could not "feel" any difference if I had rigged it up on a Berkley Lightening rod!
Why? Cause what is transmitted up the line, down the rod, through the hands will be lost in the brain.
She doesn't fish & would not be able to interpret what she is feeling.Even for the average angler a certain amount of "sensitivity" is lost in the brain.
Watching your line & rod will definitely help ?
Bluebasser86 reply :
I used this technique all the time when I used cheaper rods that didn't have the same sensitivity as the rods I own now. I'll still do it occasionally if I tighten up on something that isn't moving and I want to be 100% sure it's not a fish.
Russ E reply :
I have tried this a few times. For me it has worked better with med /light rods using baits like ned rigs or wacky rigs.
these baits give very little deflection on their own, even on the lighter tackle.
On heavier casting tackle ,it has been less effective for me.
Always run the line over my index finger with casting tackle.
By the time I notice any deflection I can feel the fish or it can feel me.
Pretty sure I have missed fish because of this.
Sword of the Lord reply :
This is only my 4th year bass fishing and the first year since I stopped a few years ago when I got sick. Picked it up again now that I'm healthy. This is something I learned on my own very quickly this year. It's like my brain and my hands and arms are perfectly in sync. I'm setting the hook before I'm even comprehending that I felt or saw the bite and that I'm setting the hook. Remarkable stuff.
deep reply :
Never really watched my rod tip, almost always run the line between my fingers.
The *ticks* and the *thumps* are the easy ones to detect. If you've never set the hook on instinct or just because ~something~ didn't feel right, you're missing fish. Even on treble hooked baits.
I don't fish cranks, but I do fish jerkbaits a lot. Once in a while, after a pause and before jerking again, I'll find the line wrapped around a hook or something. That was a fish that ate and rejected the bait and I didn't feel it; baits don't usually foul on their own. On certain days, I never even feel the bite, and the fish is just there when I get to jerking the bait again. Lucky!
Once you really attuned to your rod reel line bait setup, it's easier to instantly find when something isn't right. That something is usually a snag or a fish... (Yes, I've set the hook on snags many many times too.)
P.S. If you want to practice *losing contact* with the bait, find a riprap and fish it with a jig or a texas/ florida rig. Warning: You will lose baits.
3crows reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 1:30 AM, 12poundbass said:My thought at first....but hooksets are free! ?
Unless you hookset into a log. 
ww2farmer reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 6:48 AM, Catt said:Sensitivity strarts in the hands & continues up to the brain.
Let me explain it this way!
I could put any high end reel on any high end rod, spool it with braid for maximum sensitivity, tie on a Texas rig & then give it to my wife. She could not "feel" any difference if I had rigged it up on a Berkley Lightening rod!
Why? Cause what is transmitted up the line, down the rod, through the hands will be lost in the brain.
She doesn't fish & would not be able to interpret what she is feeling.Even for the average angler a certain amount of "sensitivity" is lost in the brain.
Watching your line & rod will definitely help ?
You ain't kidding. I have watched people on my own boat miss bites with equipment that costs 10x more than what I use.
Angealy reply :
When growing up, I never used the "feel for fish by holding/touching the line" trick but now i use it almost all the time.
I even use my spinning/spincast outfits like a fly fishing outfit.
This seems to work really well most often or not and using the "feel for fish line" trick here is a deadly combination.
However, I am now interested in this rod tip for strike indicator method and i am willing to give it a try.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 3:22 AM, Team9nine said:...And this is why I love spending so much time out in open water tossing lightweight jigs for crappie - the best way to learn about pressure bites. It's how I showed Wheeler.
Is there a bass lure that would teach pressure bites similarly? I'm not much of a crappie guy, and the crappie have been so slow around here that the number of bites would be pretty low.
BigAngus752 reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 10:47 PM, 3crows said:Unless you hookset into a log.
I'd rather buy packs of Mustads than get skunked!!!
Team9nine reply :
On 9/24/2017 at 8:41 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Is there a bass lure that would teach pressure bites similarly? I'm not much of a crappie guy, and the crappie have been so slow around here that the number of bites would be pretty low.
You need to make a trip or two to Cat or Coon. The beauty of crappie is that you can "practice" on several hundred fish on a single weekend. Some waters it might take all year to see those totals of bass. The bite is very similar though. HL is a nice exception for the bass. Ned is the bass substitute to a large degree, along with the dropshot, and you've already mastered the former. The only limiting thing is that you get a lot more "lift" bites (push) with crappie than you will with bass.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 9/24/2017 at 10:07 AM, Team9nine said:
You need to make a trip or two to Cat or Coon. The beauty of crappie is that you can "practice" on several hundred fish on a single weekend. Some waters it might take all year to see those totals of bass. The bite is very similar though. HL is a nice exception for the bass. Ned is the bass substitute to a large degree, along with the dropshot, and you've already mastered the former. The only limiting thing is that you get a lot more "lift" bites (push) with crappie than you will with bass.
Cat's a fun lake, I usually head out there once or twice in the late fall. I haven't used much for crappie jigs in the past though, but that's all I'm bringing next time.
The only issue I have with the ned rig is putting it down lol, sounds like this is a good excuse not to. I still can't seem to catch more than a bass or two per outing on the drop shot though, for some reason I can not seem to get that technique figured out. And I like other finesse techniques...
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 9/23/2017 at 12:46 AM, WRB said:There was for a short time a thread by Matt Allen using the rods deflection for strike indicator I thought was a good topic.
I don't keep up. Why was the thread taken down?
WRB reply :
On 9/24/2017 at 1:09 PM, ClackerBuzz said:I don't keep up. Why was the thread taken down?
Probably because it was a unauthorized Tactical Bass video?
Tom
WRB reply :
Who in your opinion is the top finesse bass angler?
For sake of argument I will vote Aaron Martens for the top pro finesse angler. How does Aaron detect strikes? He feels his line and watches his rod tip. I know this because he learned how to finesse bass fish from a friend of mine Dick Trask. Trask was a rod tip watcher and line feeler, he learned the art of line feeling from Zank (John Zankowski) who was a safe cracker in feeling line, he sanded his finger tips! Aaron completing agianst Trask or Zank during a tough fineese bite on our local lakes couldn't beat them, they were that good at the slightest strike detection. Aaron could find bass nobody else could, Trask and Zank caught them by weighing the line for any indication of a pressure bite.
Tom
Further North reply :
Interesting topic...I sidetracked myself, as I began thinking: There's nothing in the gear world that compares to stripping in a fly...the line is in your hand...you can feel everything...
bchase44 reply :
This may sound dumb, but I was fishing this afternoon and recalled this thread. I have to completely readjust my left hand (holding the reel instead of the rod) to get the line close enough to apply my finger for feeling bites.
On spinning gear I have to literally grab the line with my right hand.
Is this how you do this or am I doing it wrong?
J Francho reply :
I did a bunch of finesse fishing yesterday, and what I noticed needed improvement was the time between closing the bail, and getting to a point where I could detect a bite. This was most prevalent when skipping docks. A few times, there's a bit of slack, and that's when I saw slight line movement, as I flipped the bail. I didn't lose those fish, but I feel like I could miss some or probably did. I started cupping the spool at the end of the cast, which helped quite a bit. Sort of like how you'd slow a baitcast spool when a bait touches down, during a pitch cast.
Catt reply :
On 9/25/2017 at 9:02 AM, WRB said:Who in your opinion is the top finesse bass angler?
Oh I don't know but Roger Moore or Bobby Murray comes to mind!
Aaron's problem is he can't get out of second place!
Probably the most iconic name associated with running his line between his thumb & forefinger is Hank Parker. He doesn't palm his reel but holds his rod in front of the reel.
I seldom watch my line or rod tip & don't run my line between my fingers but there again I night fish a lot relying on feeling strikes through my rod's exposed blank.
Troy85 reply :
Visual cues is how I fish senkos and weightless flukes, a majority of the time I will see the strike rather than feel it. Makes it tough on windy days to fish these baits.
Bulletman20XD reply :
Can't see the need---If a fish bites just enough to move a rod tip on even a mildly sensitive rod this movement will transmitted to your hand to detect the strike!
IndianaFinesse reply :
Thanks guys, watching my rod tip for pressure bites helped me catch 38 bass in 45 minutes today (all on shaky heads). I was amazed at the bites I was missing, and I use an Abu Garcia villain spooled with 8 pound braid so it has good sensitivity, but even with that I bet I caught at least five bass that I would not have detected otherwise. I definitely think longer rods would be helpful, I'm thinking instead of getting a 6'10" rod for jigs I'll probably get a 7'2".
WRB reply :
On 9/25/2017 at 9:15 PM, Catt said:
Oh I don't know but Roger Moore or Bobby Murray comes to mind!
Aaron's problem is he can't get out of second place!
Probably the most iconic name associated with running his line between his thumb & forefinger is Hank Parker. He doesn't palm his reel but holds his rod in front of the reel.
I seldom watch my line or rod tip & don't run my line between my fingers but there again I night fish a lot relying on feeling strikes through my rod's exposed blank.
Aaron's fishing skills are not the reason he hasn't won a Classic. He was over 6 lb lead when he forgot to check in after returning to the dock 30 minutes early that disqualified his limit catch in the Chicago 2000 Classic.
Guido Hibbon also comes to mind. I mentioned Aaron because he is the only Elite finesse angler I knew before he travel east.
It takes time to program your brain to interpret what the fingers are feeling and it takes concentration, can't let your focus drift.
Tom
Catt reply :
Aaron Martens:
2002 classic Lay Lake 2nd
2004 Classic Lake Wylie 2nd
2005 Classic Three River 2nd
2011 Classic Louisiana Delta 2nd
Dude gotta pull one off!
S Hovanec reply :
The majority of the fish I catch on drophot, I don't feel the bite. The bait is on the bottom with a slack line. When I pick up the slack, there is pressure and I sweep a hookset.
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