Fluorocarbon Brand Preference 2025
eatlessfish reply :
I currently use Berkley Vanish for all my fluorocarbon applications, which is almost everything other than frogging/flipping(braid), and topwater poppers/spooks/etc.(mono). I use it in 10lb. for cranks, 14lb for general, and 17lb. for jigs, small swimbaits, squarebills, etc. I hear lots of terrible reviews, but i havent had any problems. What I was wondering is should I switch brands to Seaguar Red Label, Sunline, etc. I think theyre over priced unless they are signifigantly better. Comment what you guys think. Stay or switch. And if you say switch, what brand would you suggest?
iabass8 reply :
red label is far from over priced. it's very cheap for 12$ a spool. with fluorocarbon lines, you get what you pay for. i personally wouldn't use vanish if it were given to me in a lifetime supply quantity. If you are happy with it, then there is no reason to switch. I prefer Seaguar Tatsu and Sunline FC Sniper for just about every application that I can use fluorocarbon.
Jrob78 reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 9:42 AM, iabass8 said:red label is far from over priced. it's very cheap for 12$ a spool. with fluorocarbon lines, you get what you pay for. i personally wouldn't use vanish if it were given to me in a lifetime supply quantity. If you are happy with it, then there is no reason to switch. I prefer Seaguar Tatsu and Sunline FC Sniper for just about every application that I can use fluorocarbon.
Me too, Tatsu and Sniper are the best fluoro's I've used. If you want a cheaper option, check out Sunline Super. It's right around $15 a box and is the best cheaper fluoro I've used.
I also agree that Vanish is terrible, not worth the money at any price.
eatlessfish reply :
I miswrote!! I was considering Red Label! But I dont want to pay to much for another brand or line that is overpriced!! I might have to try out some Seaguar Red Label.
kschultz76 reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 9:42 AM, iabass8 said:I prefer Seaguar Tatsu and Sunline FC Sniper for just about every application that I can use fluorocarbon.
I've been trying both of these after initial difficulty with other brands. I'm using 15 lb in the Tatsu and 16 in the Sniper. Pleased with both so far, way more manageable the other brands I've tried in 15lb. I still have some Invisix in 8 lb on a spinning reel that's working well. I've also learned that folks here were right about KVD L&L, definitely improves line handling of fluro.
LMB ANGLER reply :
seaguar makes the best fluorocarbon line, red label is a good choice, look it up on ebay maybe you get it for cheap
rippin-lips reply :
^^^ that's your opinion. I tried it based on what everyone said and hated it. Tried P line too with the same result. I've had good success with the bps brand,Berkley 100% FC, and sunline sniper which is what I stuck with. 12-20# is all very manageable.
eatlessfish reply :
Thanks guys I'm picking up some Red Label this weekend to try. Ill compare it to Vanish since I'm not having problems unlike you guys. If I like it more I will start using it. Thanks guys for all the fast and reliable responses!!
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 10:32 AM, eatlessfish said:Thanks guys I'm picking up some Red Label this weekend to try. Ill compare it to Vanish since I'm not having problems unlike you guys. If I like it more I will start using it. Thanks guys for all the fast and reliable responses!!
your welcome, try it you will love it, seaguar is the inventor of fluorocarbon and its the only f/c company that make their own line from the factory.
iabass8 reply :
if you do get red label, get some line conditioner for it. it isn't a terrible line but it has very poor abrasion resistance. do yourself a favor and just spend the 22$ on sunline FC sniper.
Gaerith reply :
I have 10 lb seaguar red label -I only use it for leader material. I feel like it is too stiff and tends to have more knot breakage than it should.
I use yo zuri on my reel that doesn't have braid and I like it a lot more. Technically it's a copoly, but it's what I would recommend and will end up getting again. It has great strength and isn't as stiff as red label, plus it's cheaper. Both have KVD line conditioner applied to them.
ww2farmer reply :
I use Red label exclusively. But just as leader material, as I have braid as mainline on every reel I own. I have had zero issues with it, and I guess I have caught a fish or two.
WRB reply :
I fished Sunline Shooter since the mid 90's and tried various other brands over the years, nothing has compared until this year. Blackwater Toray FC, Solaroam Bass Hi Clas is a better line IMO; knot strength, abrasion resistance and ease of casting
Tom
Bluebasser86 reply :
I rotate between Seaguar Red Label, Vicious, and Sunline Super. I have pretty recently started fishing the Sunline Super and have been really impressed with how easily it handles and it's strength and abrasion resistance. Vicious is some of the toughest stuff I've ever fished but if you aren't willing to deal with some line memory it isn't for you. Red Label is a great line too but the Sunline seems to do a little better around the zebra mussels that are in so many of our lakes now.
kickerfish1 reply :
I wouldn't dump it quite yet. Best thing to do would buy the best line you can afford or justify. Simply put one or a few other floro lines up against vanish for a month or two and see if you can feel the difference. Some guys still use mono for about everything and are very successful. Personally I really only use seagar and sunline for 95% of my floro needs. Sniper and invisix on the mid range level are nice step ups to the $10-$15 budget floro options. Shooter and tatsu are great lines but the price jump is a bit steep for most.
theflyingbassfisherman reply :
I fished Vanish for a good while and recently went to PLine's copolymer, flouroclear. It's about 10 bucks for a 300 yard spool and amazon and tackle warehouse have good bulk deals on it. It handles better than the vanish did, I was having cast issues with the 17lb vanish. They only thing I have it on now is twelve pound on my crankbait rod.
Felix77 reply :
I use Seaguar InvizX exclusively. Red label for leader material. If price is an issue then I would stick with Red Label over any others.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 8:42 PM, Felix77 said:I use Seaguar InvizX exclusively. Red label for leader material. If price is an issue then I would stick with Red Label over any others.
me too, i use red label just for leader material, i use this line with over 100 pound tarpon and never let me down, it really is the Rolex and the rolls Royce of all fluorocarbon lines.
Jrob78 reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 11:46 PM, LMB ANGLER said:me too, i use red label just for leader material, i use this line with over 100 pound tarpon and never let me down, it really is the Rolex and the rolls Royce of all fluorocarbon lines.
Really?? Seaguar Red Label?? Dude, you using something doesn't make it the best.
iabass8 reply :
On 10/21/2013 at 11:46 PM, LMB ANGLER said:me too, i use red label just for leader material, i use this line with over 100 pound tarpon and never let me down, it really is the Rolex and the rolls Royce of all fluorocarbon lines.
red label is more like the older chevy impala or a dodge caravan. it will work...but there's clearly room for improvement.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 1:46 AM, iabass8 said:red label is more like the older chevy impala or a dodge caravan. it will work...but there's clearly room for improvement.
On 10/22/2013 at 1:03 AM, Jrob78 said:Really?? Seaguar Red Label?? Dude, you using something doesn't make it the best.
when i said the rolex and rolls royce of fluorocarbon line i referring to the seaguar brand, not the red label, if you dont like it them its just preference, but you cant say that its a bad line just because user error. like i said before, its the inventor of fluoro and its the only company that make there own fluoro line in their own factory. I look for only the best products out there, and only the best.
rangerjockey reply :
Doesn't Toray manufacture they're own line ? Could be wrong but I thought sunline did as well.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 5:07 AM, rangerjockey said:Doesn't Toray manufacture they're own line ? Could be wrong but I thought sunline did as well.
nope, they rely on other resources to make their f/c line, kind of like a middle man. seaguar its the only manufacture that makes their own from factory. you can google it if you want. im speaking facts here
rangerjockey reply :
Yep, Toray's website says it's a manufacturer...actually it's blackwaters site.
No biggie, I do like the Tatsu a lot but other than that all sunline sniper.
Jrob78 reply :
Sunline manufactures their line as well. Seaguar didn't "invent" fluorocarbon, they do make some decent lines and 1 really good one though.
eatlessfish reply :
Price isn't an issue if it really is better! I just don't want to spend $30 a box for something that is just a little better than a $15-20 box. Thanks for the input guys. So now the question is Red Label, Tatsu, Sniper, or Super. Which of those four. I might buy them all and see which I like best. But thanks guys for making the decision to narrow it down 10x easier!!
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 6:19 AM, Jrob78 said:Sunline manufactures their line as well. Seaguar didn't "invent" fluorocarbon, they do make some decent lines and 1 really good one though.
seaguar didnt invent fluorocarbon lol, dude do your research before you speak and give false information. and can you show me where it says that sunline make their own fluorocarbon line?
iabass8 reply :
Well if you are deciding between those 4, i'd choose tatsu. It's probably the best fluorocarbon i've used. the price range and quality of the 4 lines you listed is really across the board. red label is the cheapest, has decent but not great memory if you treat it with line conditioner. it has god awful abrasion resistance around rock and wouldn't consider using it in any sort of cover because of that. Sunline super is a really strong line but needs more line conditioner as well. It's abrasion resistance is better than red labels but still isn't top notch. it handles pretty good. FC sniper is a fantastic line. it has low memory and is really strong and very abrasion resistant. casts great, handles great. Tatsu is when you get in to the upper tier of fluorocarbons. it's abrasion resistance is just a little better than sniper from what i've found but it handles better, it's softer and the knot strength is great.
iabass8 reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 7:00 AM, LMB ANGLER said:seaguar didnt invent fluorocarbon lol, dude do your research before you speak and give false information.
perhaps you should think before you speak. you literally just said "it's the inventor of fluorocarbons" a few posts up...
On 10/22/2013 at 4:22 AM, LMB ANGLER said:when i said the rolex and rolls royce of fluorocarbon line i referring to the seaguar brand, not the red label, if you dont like it them its just preference, but you cant say that its a bad line just because user error. like i said before, its the inventor of fluoro and its the only company that make there own fluoro line in their own factory. I look for only the best products out there, and only the best.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 7:03 AM, iabass8 said:perhaps you should think before you speak. you literally just said "it's the inventor of fluorocarbons" a few posts up...
i was being sarcastic and repeating what he said, seaguar did invent fluorocarbon. you can look it up. i know my tackle.
Jrob78 reply :
Fluorocarbon is used in heavily in the electrical industry, in lithium ion batteries, in circuit boards and who knows where else. Seaguar didn't invent it.
http://www.sunlineamerica.com/technology/
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 7:34 AM, Jrob78 said:Fluorocarbon is used in heavily in the electrical industry, in lithium ion batteries, in circuit boards and who knows where else. Seaguar didn't invent it.
http://www.sunlineamerica.com/technology/
this does not state that seaguar flouro did not invent it. look i dont want any problems.. its all cool. my argument is finish.
Jrob78 reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 4:22 AM, LMB ANGLER said:when i said the rolex and rolls royce of fluorocarbon line i referring to the seaguar brand, not the red label, if you dont like it them its just preference, but you cant say that its a bad line just because user error. like i said before, its the inventor of fluoro and its the only company that make there own fluoro line in their own factory. I look for only the best products out there, and only the best.
On 10/22/2013 at 7:44 AM, LMB ANGLER said:this does not state that seaguar flouro did not invent it. look i dont want any problems.. its all cool. my argument is finish.
There are a lot of people here with tons more experience than you and me combined. You would be best served to try to learn something from those people instead of trying to be the teacher.
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 8:07 AM, Jrob78 said:There are a lot of people here with tons more experience than you and me combined. You would be best served to try to learn something from those people instead of trying to be the teacher.
lol. im not trying to be a teacher im just strong minded about my things. i also have alot or experience. i fish almost everyday for over 5 years now, and i have used every tackle product in the book. majority failed me and i dont tolerate products that are garbage.
Wayne P. reply :
I currently use the BPS XPS which has been made by several companies over the past few years. The mfg of it before the current stock was so bad it was taken off the shelves (probably Berkley). The one before that one was the best.
The current stock is a little softer and not as strong as two generations ago.
Vanish is the worst fluorocarbon I have ever tried.
rippin-lips reply :
I'm not arguing your knowledge LMB but invizx was crap compared to Sniper. At least in my testing anyways. Seaguar had more memory then I cared for. I had 12# seaguar and 16# sniper and it was more supple. Without any line and lure cond.
Bass4Me007 reply :
For what it's worth, the following is what Seaguar has on its website. I think this is the source of some of the confusion.
"MYTH: All 100% fluorocarbons are created equal.
FACT: No. Just because the product says 100% fluorocarbon does not mean it is just like any other on the market. Only Seaguar makes fluorocarbon lines and leaders from beginning to end without any outside companies involved. The difference of quality varies from brand to brand."
Assuming the truthfulness of the claim, this doesn't say no one else manufactures their own line. For me to say anything else would be to go beyond my knowledge of the issue.
As to lines, I really like Tatsu. I haven't tried all the lines, but of the many I have tried I would put Tatsu as the best balance of manageability, abrasion resistance, and knot strength. It is probably not the most sensitive, but it is very sensitive in its own right.
LMB ANGLER reply :
I used every line on the market including tatsu and sunline sniper, and i had bad experience with them, the only fluoro line that never let me down is seaguar. just like the only braid that never let me down is suffix, just like the only gear brand that never let me down is daiwa,abu garcia and penn. im loyal to what treats me right. i can keep going on but you get the point.
kickerfish1 reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 12:27 PM, LMB ANGLER said:I used every line on the market including tatsu and sunline sniper, and i had bad experience with them, the only fluoro line that never let me down is seaguar. just like the only braid that never let me down is suffix, just like the only gear brand that never let me down is daiwa,abu garcia and penn. im loyal to what treats me right. i can keep going on but you get the point.
Re-read your first sentence. Seaguar makes Tatsu as its flagship flourocarbon line. It is just one of many lines under the Seaguar brand. So by saying that Tatsu failed you are also saying that Seaguar failed you.
rippin-lips reply :
^^^ and the plot thickens lol
LMB ANGLER reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 12:59 PM, kickerfish1 said:Re-read your first sentence. Seaguar makes Tatsu as its flagship flourocarbon line. It is just one of many lines under the Seaguar brand. So by saying that Tatsu failed you are also saying that Seaguar failed you.
well i only use now the red, blue and the premier lines, tatsu only fail me once but it was user error. dude, its whatever. im going to die using seaguar and no one can change it period. Im done here.
rippin-lips reply :
That's fine but stop claiming it's not the end all be all of fc line. It hasn't failed you,congrats but it's really not that great. The people have spoken on that part. I had better experiences with Berkley 100% fc and bps xps then invizx and P line both.
rockchalk06 reply :
On 10/22/2013 at 7:34 AM, Jrob78 said:Fluorocarbon is used in heavily in the electrical industry, in lithium ion batteries, in circuit boards and who knows where else. Seaguar didn't invent it.
http://www.sunlineamerica.com/technology/
Its been used in Fiber optic cable for a loooooong time lol.
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