Hey guys,
Quick question for you everyone who uses braid. I've been using braid all my life (on certain set ups), I mainly use power pro! It's great, has never let me down BUT I find it frays and fades way too quick and I find myself changing out line a lot. So im looking for opinions, does anyone know of a brand that is great on maintaining line colour as well as having a great quality line? I've heard Stren is great for longer lasting line colour... Give me some opinions!
Thanks,
Matt Duprau
The Hass avocado is the most readily available, and has good shelf life; retaining it's color better than some other varieties.
If Seaguar doesn't make it, it isn't the best
On 8/13/2016 at 9:16 PM, Master Bait'r said:If Seaguar doesn't make it, it isn't the best
Except Red Label.
To the OP:
The brand I have stuck with is PowerPro. I have tried several other different brands, and the only one I had an "issue" with was Berkley Pro braid. It "flattened" out and lost its cylindrical shape after minimal use. Made it an absolute night mare to cast. Virtually impossible.
Other brands I have tried include Spider Wire and Seaguar and they were fine lines. But when I tried the Power Pro, it stuck. Haven't bought another brand since.
I been fishing PP for years, I haven't had a real reason to switch honestly. All braids fade. Never understood what the big deal is when guys say it fades quickly. To the OP, if you are finding that your PP braid is fraying a lot, I would bet its because of the cover your throwing in. Unless you have had the same spool of braid on for a couple years or the spool has run down, will I find the need to re-spool.
If you are replacing your braided line when the color fades, in my opinion, you're wasting a lot of money on line. If the line is too faded or frayed for your liking, you can always turn it around and put the faded section next to the spool and have the fresh end to tie your baits on.
On 8/13/2016 at 8:55 PM, .ghoti. said:The Hass avocado is the most readily available, and has good shelf life; retaining it's color better than some other varieties.
I'm a pretty cultured person, but I must admit, a coherent interpretation of this particular piece of performance art is eluding me.
I have used Power Pro for many years. I used to try other braids to find one that is better, but I keep coming back to Power Pro. It's pretty inexpensive as far as braid goes, it's widely available, and it hold up well over time. I have only had one spool that frayed on me and I usually leave braid on a reel for 2-3 years at a time. When it whitens, I just color it with a marker.
That said, I have been anxious to try the new Seagur Flippin braid. It supposedly doesn't fade. I just have so much Power Pro to get through though.
I fish spiderwire stealth-braid. I haven't had any issues with the line other than the color fading, which is expected. All braids eventually fade and that's just something we have to live with. I haven't had any reasons to make a switch so I've stuck with spiderwire. When the color fades I just flip the spool and use the other side of the line.
On 8/13/2016 at 9:19 PM, Jar11591 said:Except Red Label.
I was only talking about braid tbh, and even then I was sort of joking. I am just in love with Seaguar braids after trying all sorts of brands. Even more so now that they've come down in price! Suuuuuuuuper thin and smooth. Haven't found anything else that comes close.
On 8/14/2016 at 3:44 AM, Master Bait'r said:
I was only talking about braid tbh, and even then I was sort of joking. I am just in love with Seaguar braids after trying all sorts of brands. Even more so now that they've come down in price! Suuuuuuuuper thin and smooth. Haven't found anything else that comes close.
obviously you haven't tried Gamma Torque , very thin , strong , and pretty quiet
I use PowerPro and Haas Avacadoes when I can find them.
I use Power Pro and love it
Another power pro fan. Fading doesn't bother me, as the line seems to be still holding up great.
My jig flipping set up right now is probably nearing 4 years old. It's faded but I don't have any breakage issues.
If you're not using 832 then you're not using the best
I use power pro and have not found a reason to switch yet, I have also tried 832 and I really liked it.
For braid I use spider wire predominantly. The only reason for this is because it was my first choice of line and it has landed me my first hogs, so in my eyes I ask why change something that works. So my opinion on line isn't that great, although I noticed spider wire faded and frayed just like with your experience. So reiterating on the topic I want to ask, don't all braided lines fray at some point? And perhaps the structure you're fishing make lines fray quicker than others no matter the brand? And also, does a faded line effect anything? If so, how much? 2lbs...3 lbs of test? If any effect at all? And with 30 to 65 lb braid...what's a lb or 2?
here is my take on 3 of my most used this year being .011dia
s8s gamma torque smackdown
strenght/dia 1 2 3
quietness 1 2 2
price 2 1 3
subtleness 2 1 2
smoothness 1 3 2
bleed 1 2 3
Right now I'm running a mix of regular power pro and Sufix 832. On my punching and frogging rods, I have 832 50lb test, and if I hook into a toothy critter like a Tiger Musky or a Pike, I feel a little more safe. Works great and is super smooth, but it fades color pretty fast.
On my spinning tackle, my shaky head/ drop shot stuff, I use 15lb or 20lb power pro with Seaguar fluorocarbon leaders. I prefer 15lb truth be told, but I have 20lb on one of my rods because the store ran out of 15lb. Not a huge difference really. Typically I run 8 or 10lb test leaders.
Not a fan of Spiderwire.
Daiwa Samurai Braid
Sunline FX2
Braids vary a lot
There are 4 carrier, 8 carrier, 12+
There are special coatings and no special coatings
Various diameters and their abilities to hold color varies.
I like seaguar smackdown but its expensive. Daiwa jbraid is very nice and thin at good price. I want to try sunline bx2 as I do not like their fx2 or sx1
I've used about everything out there. I like 832 because it performs great, its smoother/quieter than PP and the price isn't a killer. However, it's color does fade, but all braided lines do fade. I'm not sure what application you're using braid for, but I use a FC leader with my braid for almost everything, so color fading doesn't really bother me as long as the strength is still there.
Other brands I highly recommend are P-Line TCB X braid in the 8 carrier version. I also like the Sunline FX2 for topwater presentations.
I use normal PowerPro and Sufix 832 and haven't noticed anything bad from either one that makes me want to try another braided line. Plus PowerPro and Sufix 832 is easy to find either retail or online, and you can usually find it on sale.
If you are having fraying problems take a q tip to your guides.if the cotton stick you have a guide problem. I have run Fireline, Suffix 832, Power Pro and SpiderWire Stealth and found little problem with any of them fraying. You may have to replace some guides on your rod.
I've wasted quite a bit of money trying different braids. I'll stick with Power pro.. For me its the best. It may not be for you..
On 8/16/2016 at 2:14 AM, blckshirt98 said:I use normal PowerPro and Sufix 832 and haven't noticed anything bad from either one that makes me want to try another braided line. Plus PowerPro and Sufix 832 is easy to find either retail or online, and you can usually find it on sale.
Agree with this. Have 832 on my baitcasters and Power Pro on the spin gear. I've fished the other way around (832 on spinning, PP on casting) and not noticed any significant difference in performance. Slight edge to the 832 FWIW.
Been using Smackdown and am extremely happy with it in all aspects. Can't see making a change anytime soon.
This may sound like sacrilege, but I have lost more lures (at least five- a few spinners, a jig head, and several mushroom heads) with my new spool of 15lb smackdown in the two-three weeks I've had it than any other braided lines I've used combined. This includes 15lb Power Pro, 15lb Suffix 832, and 20 lb Super Slick. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I may consider taking this line off the reel. My experiences appear to be different than every one else's, so it could just be bad luck. FWIW, I tie a palomar knot 99.9% of the time with my braid.
Smackdown
On 8/16/2016 at 1:13 PM, jhc1 said:This may sound like sacrilege, but I have lost more lures (at least five- a few spinners, a jig head, and several mushroom heads) with my new spool of 15lb smackdown in the two-three weeks I've had it than any other braided lines I've used combined. This includes 15lb Power Pro, 15lb Suffix 832, and 20 lb Super Slick. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I may consider taking this line off the reel. My experiences appear to be different than every one else's, so it could just be bad luck. FWIW, I tie a palomar knot 99.9% of the time with my braid.
Watch your hook eyes. When I first started using Smackdown I was breaking off constantly- come to figure out the line is so darn thin it was actually getting caught in the tiny slit part of the hook eye where they mash/crimp the end closed and it was breaking it off. I switched to epoxied-eye hooks and it hasn't happened again since.
Also watch line burn on Palomar type knots. The thinner the braid the easier it can burn pulling knots.
On 8/16/2016 at 7:04 PM, Master Bait'r said:
Watch your hook eyes. When I first started using Smackdown I was breaking off constantly- come to figure out the line is so darn thin it was actually getting caught in the tiny slit part of the hook eye where they mash/crimp the end closed and it was breaking it off. I switched to epoxied-eye hooks and it hasn't happened again since.
Also watch line burn on Palomar type knots. The thinner the braid the easier it can burn pulling knots.
Thanks for the insights. Did you buy hooks that were pre-epoxied? If so, what brand? If you did it yourself, what did you use?
On 8/16/2016 at 1:13 PM, jhc1 said:This may sound like sacrilege, but I have lost more lures (at least five- a few spinners, a jig head, and several mushroom heads) with my new spool of 15lb smackdown in the two-three weeks I've had it than any other braided lines I've used combined. This includes 15lb Power Pro, 15lb Suffix 832, and 20 lb Super Slick. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I may consider taking this line off the reel. My experiences appear to be different than every one else's, so it could just be bad luck. FWIW, I tie a palomar knot 99.9% of the time with my braid.
15# smackdown wont be as strong as 15 # PP or 832 S8s cause the diameter is thinner with smackdown. If you want the same strength as say 20#S8S get 30# smackdown they will have the same dia. and be closer to each other in actual knot strength.
I have used PP and Spiderwire for years, in both salt and fresh, and have never had an issue with either.
Unless you're working with really minute diameter braid, it's all mostly over engineered, and all of them are strong. It basically comes down to personal preference, and since you typically leave braid on for a long time, you generally get used to what you have, if it works. At least that is how it is for me. I don't know that I've run into a braid I truly disliked.
On 8/16/2016 at 8:21 PM, J Francho said:Unless you're working with really minute diameter braid, it's all mostly over engineered, and all of them are strong. It basically comes down to personal preference, and since you typically leave braid on for a long time, you generally get used to what you have, if it works. At least that is how it is for me. I don't know that I've run into a braid I truly disliked.
A lot of truth in this post.
The only braids I have had issues with is Spiderwire. For some reason, that line would break off during a cast fairly often. After two spools, I ditched it.
On 8/16/2016 at 7:25 PM, jhc1 said:Thanks for the insights. Did you buy hooks that were pre-epoxied? If so, what brand? If you did it yourself, what did you use?
I use the VMC epoxied eye hooks and yes they're done at the factory.
Any other baits I've identified as having potential problems with the eyelet I just put a dab of clear nail polish on the crack. Done deal.
On 8/16/2016 at 8:21 PM, J Francho said:Unless you're working with really minute diameter braid, it's all mostly over engineered, and all of them are strong. It basically comes down to personal preference, and since you typically leave braid on for a long time, you generally get used to what you have, if it works. At least that is how it is for me. I don't know that I've run into a braid I truly disliked.
the braids i dislike are braids that flatten out and are not round , one that comes to mind is Izorline , most new braids these days are pretty round and does come down to personal preference ,
On 8/16/2016 at 8:01 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:15# smackdown wont be as strong as 15 # PP or 832 S8s cause the diameter is thinner with smackdown. If you want the same strength as say 20#S8S get 30# smackdown they will have the same dia. and be closer to each other in actual knot strength.
Forgive my ignorance, but if something is advertised as 15# test, shouldn't it break at (at least) 15 pounds of force? Or are you suggesting that 15# PP actually has a strength that's substantially higher than 15 pounds, whereas smackdown is basically exactly what it's advertised?
On 8/17/2016 at 2:18 AM, jhc1 said:Forgive my ignorance, but if something is advertised as 15# test, shouldn't it break at (at least) 15 pounds of force? Or are you suggesting that 15# PP actually has a strength that's substantially higher than 15 pounds, whereas smackdown is basically exactly what it's advertised?
I haven't ever tried smackdown, but I have used powerpro for a long time and can tell you that it's actual braking strength is about double what is advertised.
1st for P-Line TCB! I have been using it for a while after switching from Stren 832, which I never had a probelm with. Just wanted to try something different. I have never used braid under 30lb though, so there is that! I mean, it doesnt turn "white" very fast, Ive never had a problem with back lashing or fraying, and Ive never had a fish, besides a northern or musky, bite/break my line...
On 8/17/2016 at 2:18 AM, jhc1 said:Or are you suggesting that 15# PP actually has a strength that's substantially higher than 15 pounds, whereas smackdown is basically exactly what it's advertised?
I believe this is what he is suggesting. I know for Daiwa Samurai, it breaks at it's advertised strength.
I use PP 15 on most of my spinning reels and that stuff does not break with 15 pounds of force. I was able to rip a lipless crank from a tree 30 yards up by breaking off the branch it was stuck on, and I had the PowerPro looped several times around my fishing hat when I was pulling really freaking hard. Disclaimer here is that it was like the 2nd cast on a newly spooled reel, so the line was brand new with zero fraying.