casting ultra light lures 2024
DanielB reply :
I have an ultralight fishing pole with a Shimano Sienna 1000 FE reel with 10 pound test power pro on it.
I was trying to cast a really light joes fly, but when I try to cast it my pole tip barely bends and I can only cast it about 20ft with absolutely no accuracy I am guessing the joes fly is around 1/32 of an oz.
Any help will be appreciated thanks.
Arcs&sparks reply :
I recall joes flies recommending a split shot weight if your rod won’t cast them. 1/32oz is extremely light
J Francho reply :
There's UL rods, and then there's UL rods. Not all are equal. I would add a casting bubble or as A&S said, a small bit of split shot. Just depends where you want the lure to run. Bubble for high in the column, split shot for lower.
DanielB reply :
Are there any ultralight rods you would recommend for fishing really light lures?
J Francho reply :
I had an old Team Daiwa that could whip 1/100 oz. jigs about 30'. You're looking for a slower, whippy style rod. You'd probably be best off trying them out in person.
DanielB reply :
What i am looking for is a sensitive moderate to fast action graphite pole that can through tiny lures for crappie, trout, and an occasional smallmouth.
WRB reply :
Fly rod, cast the line and the light fly goes along for the ride.
Clear casting bobble you fill partially with water and cast it as far as you want.
Tom
DanielB reply :
I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.
right now i'm leaning towards a st croix 6ft 9 panfish rod.
J Francho reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 2:24 AM, DanielB said:I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.
Quite a few UL guys have spinning rods custom made out of fly rod blanks.
Arcs&sparks reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 12:20 AM, J Francho said:You're looking for a slower, whippy style rod. You'd probably be best off trying them out in person.
Definitely this^ I’ve handled some super noodley st croixs at cabelas. Not sure which models they were though. I don’t own one because it doesn’t fit my fishing style. My current ultralights are very crisp and probably wouldn’t throw a weightless Joes if I tried(the small ones, they come in different sizes) They are not very aerodynamic
2lb or 4lbmono might work better for you than 10lb braid on your current setup, braid can dig into itself and “stick” alittle bit, limiting your casting with light lures
DanielB reply :
Ok good to know, if anyone knows a better option than a st croix pls let me know.
scaleface reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 3:08 AM, J Francho said:Quite a few UL guys have spinning rods custom made out of fly rod blanks.
An older gentleman I know uses vintage Johnson spincast reels with the spool reversed and fished upside down on fly rods . I had a couple of those reels and gave them to him .
WRB reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 2:24 AM, DanielB said:I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.
right now i'm leaning towards a st croix 6ft 9 panfish rod.
PFS69ULF, 2-6 lb line, 1/32-3/16 oz lures, fast action Ultralight shoukd work.
You might want to upgrade the reel to ultralight size.
Tom
DanielB reply :
Know any good ultralight spinning reels?
Brad in Texas reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 2:24 AM, DanielB said:I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.
right now i'm leaning towards a st croix 6ft 9 panfish rod.
I have that rod, the St Croix UL in the 6'9" and it is an excellent choice for longer casts. Too, if you hook into a bass, if you use proper spinning gear techniques, it'll handle them easily.
Let me go find a particular set of vids that I'd highly recommend you, others, watch showing how to use spinning gear to toss light stuff. One thing he does is modify (remove the hooks, etc.) from one of the ultralight cranbaits, run his line through it and use it as sort of a float that adds some weight to your cast. He even recommends a color. Cool Stuff. I'll see if I can find it for you.
Brad
davecon reply :
I use a St. Croix 6”8’ light Premier spinning rod, 1000 Shimano CI14 reel and 5 lb. Power Pro. Had to order both the rod and the line as neither is normally stocked locally. I’m casting some really small lures that imitate glass minnows for snook. Works real well but I don’t think the lures are as small as 1/32 oz.
This set up is a lot of fun. Catching good sized fish with this light of an outfit will test your skills.
Brad in Texas reply :
Here you go. Really worth a watch for any ultra-light anglers, fly guys.
Brad
Fly Fishing with Spinning Rod
WRB reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 6:55 AM, DanielB said:Know any good ultralight spinning reels?
Shimano 500 size is smaller then 1000 size, Shimano Sadona and NASCI 500 has good reviews, lightweight, smaller shallower spool is appropriate for ultralight use.
jbrew73 reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 3:29 AM, Arcs&sparks said:Definitely this^ I’ve handled some super noodley st croixs at cabelas. Not sure which models they were though. I don’t own one because it doesn’t fit my fishing style. My current ultralights are very crisp and probably wouldn’t throw a weightless Joes if I tried(the small ones, they come in different sizes) They are not very aerodynamic
2lb or 4lbmono might work better for you than 10lb braid on your current setup, braid can dig into itself and “stick” alittle bit, limiting your casting with light lures
This^
In my experience 4lb mono will out cast 10lb braid.
DropShotHotShot reply :
I have a Daiwa 7'6" mml/CD, chucks light hair jigs far
Mottel reply :
Whatever you do, dont use a baitcaster!
Arcs&sparks reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 7:30 AM, Brad in Texas said:Here you go. Really worth a watch for any ultra-light anglers, fly guys.
Brad
Fly Fishing with Spinning Rod
That’s a pretty good watch. I don’t study other states fishing regulations but that would be illegal in Maine, As with A-rigs. I hear we have some of the most strict laws in the country. The OP hasn’t given his location, but just a suggestion to him or anyone else, learn your law book.
portiabrat reply :
For 1/16-3/32 oz hair jigs, I use a 7' Daiwa ML/XF rod rated for 1/64-1/4 oz lures and a 2000-sized spinning reel with 5 lb braid. I'll bet I can cast farther than 100 feet with the wind. Against the wind, I probably don't get more than 30 feet. Light braid makes a big difference.
A 1000-sized reel is limiting your casting distance. For spinning reels, bigger spools are always better for distance (this is definitely not true for baitcasters). You can easily go up to 2000-sized reel without hurting the balance of your combo. For hair jigs, I'd fish a 5000-sized reel if it didn't cause an imbalance.
WRB reply :
US reel was designed with large diameter spools to reduce line twist based on fewer coils with less set. Braid doesn't take a set or coil and 4 lb test mono has little memory or friction.
Daiwa SS 1500 spinning reel with a longer tapered spool is one the longest casting spinning reels on the market but heavy in today's 6 oz reels this size.
The Shimano 500 size incorporates a shallow narrow spool designed for light small diameter line for ultralight spinning.
Tom
Bluebasser86 reply :
I use a 6' UL Avid with a 750 Sedona and 3.5lb DAM Techtan line. I can cast a 1/32oz bait further than I can effectively set a hook. Regularly cast a 1/80th jighead with a piece of a 2" grub for bluegills and sunfish. It will cast it for plenty of distance and with accuracy. The right combination of rod/reel/and line is huge with UL fishing.
Brad in Texas reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 11:32 AM, Arcs&sparks said:That’s a pretty good watch. I don’t study other states fishing regulations but that would be illegal in Maine, As with A-rigs. I hear we have some of the most strict laws in the country. The OP hasn’t given his location, but just a suggestion to him or anyone else, learn your law book.
Good point about different laws in different states!
I'm uncertain, though, what part of what he does in that video would be illegal in Maine? Curious only.
I was specifically interested in his idea of pulling the trebles off of a very small hard-body bait, then using it to act as sort of a float to better operate a small fly or something else dragging along behind it. Can't recall where in the video he shows this but it seems around the 5 minute mark or so.
I think he has further refined his ideas, made some modifications to his riggings, best practices in another video he sells or something.
Agreed on the video being a "pretty good watch" as often, it seems especially so with fly anglers, they seem very meticulous in all details, keep exacting records. They are often the very detail-oriented, precision anglers within the community of fishermen.
Brad
MickD reply :
The longer the rod the better, the advice on 6-9 and longer is very good. The rod also has to load properly. Your current rod is not loading much at all from what you describe.
For custom builders there are now much better options than building from fly blanks. Look for the recommended line test (should go down to 4 pound test) and lure weight (should go down to 1/16. Rods will work pretty well outside the recommendations, but don't stretch them much for this very challenging technique.
Arcs&sparks reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 7:47 PM, Brad in Texas said:I'm uncertain, though, what part of what he does in that video would be illegal in Maine? Curious only.
I was specifically interested in his idea of pulling the trebles off of a very small hard-body bait, then using it to act as sort of a float to better operate a small fly or something else dragging along behind it. Can't recall where in the video he shows this but it seems around the 5 minute mark or so.
Here, You can’t use more than one lure or bait with hooks on one rod. The crankbait trick is cool, similar concept to trolling dodgers.
Brad in Texas reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 8:31 PM, Arcs&sparks said:Here, You can’t use more than one lure or bait with hooks on one rod. The crankbait trick is cool, similar concept to trolling dodgers.
Very good! Several states have this rule as I believe you mentioned. So, removing the hooks from a lure and using it as a streamline float would be okay . . . as long as a single lure/fly, etc. drags behind it.
I actually like that rule. I've never been a big fan of Alabama Rigs, Donkey Rigs and others where multiple lures are dragged around, not for sport fishing. Doesn't seem very sporting to me.
Thanks! Brad
Arcs&sparks reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 8:37 PM, Brad in Texas said:So, removing the hooks from a lure and using it as a streamline float would be okay . . . as long as a single lure/fly, etc. drags behind it.
I actually like that rule.
Correct, that part of the video is fine. And you can throw an A-rig if you want, but only one of the baits can have hooks.
Pickle_Power reply :
I'd suggest at least a 7' rod to increase casting distance. I have a 8' B&M Crappie rod that's really whippy but has a lot of backbone. I use a 25 size President with 4 lb mono.
I use it for panfishing and light walleye jigs.
Hulkster reply :
I know they are an investment, but the G. Loomis Trout series of UL rods are incredible
I have the TSR791 that I use with 4 pound test Sufix Siege mono on a 1000 size shimano spinning reel and it is amazing. They make a few rods in the lineup that are longer and lighter for throwing really light stuff. they are worth a look if you are hardcore into UL fishing like me.
The Fisher reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 2:24 AM, DanielB said:I'm looking for a spinning rod not a fly rod.
right now i'm leaning towards a st croix 6ft 9 panfish rod.
Very, very nice rod for really small panfish baits. I have one with a Tatula LT 1000 and 6# Silver Thread AN40 coploymer line, but if you hook into a decent bass, have your drag set really loose. Trust me, it bends so far it scares me that it will snap.
WRB reply :
St. croix Pan Fish series PST69ULF rod is designed to do what the OP is looking for, light flexible upper 1/3 with high modulus lower section and weighs 2.8 oz. reel should be between 5.5-6.2 oz to balanced well.
Tom
DanielB reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 7:30 AM, Brad in Texas said:Here you go. Really worth a watch for any ultra-light anglers, fly guys.
Brad
Fly Fishing with Spinning Rod
Great vid I'm in west virginia and i dont believe they have any rules against this.
WRB reply :
You are better off using a clear casting bubble that can be filled partially with water. See videos for reference.
When using lures that have very different retreive speeds inline or daisy chained on a leader nothing works goods and often snags loosing everything.
Tom
Further North reply :
On 7/4/2018 at 2:13 AM, WRB said:Fly rod, cast the line and the light fly goes along for the ride.
I'm glad someone else said it, this time. ????
Nuff reply :
I have a 7ft UL Temple Fork Outfitter travel rod paired with a Pflueger president 30 with 4lb trilene xt and I can cast a 1/64oz trout magnet almost as far as my baitcaster.
Anything lighter than that use a bobber for the weight and a 3-5ft leader to a fly. Then left it drift.
I also have a $40 berkley lightning rod Trout 8fter UL and it casts just as far at the TFO but I prefer the action and the split grips on the TFO.
fishwizzard reply :
The Kuying Teton line of UL rods cast super UL lures wonderfully. They are very much trout rods but I have caught a bunch of small to keeper-sized bass on my UL Teton. They are Only available for sale on Aliexpress, but I’ve rarely heard anything bad about their customer service.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 7/11/2018 at 3:04 PM, Nuff said:I have a 7ft UL Temple Fork Outfitter travel rod paired with a Pflueger president 30 with 4lb trilene xt and I can cast a 1/64oz trout magnet almost as far as my baitcaster.
Anything lighter than that use a bobber for the weight and a 3-5ft leader to a fly. Then left it drift.
I also have a $40 berkley lightning rod Trout 8fter UL and it casts just as far at the TFO but I prefer the action and the split grips on the TFO.
Isn't a baitcaster a little too heavy to be casting on an UL rod? What do you catch using a baitcaster as a lure? 
Joking aside, why would you use a spinning rod if you can cast 1/64 oz. lure further using a baitcast reel?
Nuff reply :
On 7/11/2018 at 8:52 PM, new2BC4bass said:Isn't a baitcaster a little too heavy to be casting on an UL rod? What do you catch using a baitcaster as a lure?
Joking aside, why would you use a spinning rod if you can cast 1/64 oz. lure further using a baitcast reel?
I should of made it more obvious. I can almost get the same cast distance with my UL spinning combo vs any of my baitcaster bass setups throwing much higher weights.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 7/12/2018 at 7:42 AM, Nuff said:I should of made it more obvious. I can almost get the same cast distance with my UL spinning combo vs any of my baitcaster bass setups throwing much higher weights.
I knew what you meant. I was just busting your you know what. 
looking45 reply :
I fish a 1/32oz head with spinning gear and have no problems with distance. My set up is a Gloomis IMX SJR 781, 18# Daiwa Samura braid and a Vicious Pro Elite 4# 6' leader. The reel is a Shimano Ci4 1000. The 781 is no longer made and is very hard to find, but an IMX SJR 782 would work just as well, just a little stiffer tip
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