Need Help Choosing A New T-Rig Loomis Rod 2024
cabrela reply :
Hello
I´m a bankfisherman and I´m looking for a texas rig rod, I mainly fish with a 1/8 - 3/16oz weight plus the plastic bait, sometimes due to the wind factor I go up to a 1/4oz weight.
But we all try to cover all the angles and so I think, and if someday I need to use a 5/16 or even a 3/8oz? If I want to fish deeper or further (if this happens it would be very very very, very occasionally).
I don´t fish in heavy cover, maybe sometimes in sparse cover.
I´m looking to the GLX JWR casting rod line up and I don´t know if I will chosse the 852, the 853 or even the 854...is the 852 the right choice? Can the 853 cast a 1/8oz t-rig and handle a 3/8oz? Will the 854 load a 1/8oz as well?
Since I´m a bankfisherman I think a 7´1" rod would be a good choice to improve casting distance, now I only need to choose the rod´s power...I´m leaning toward the 853, am I choosing right? And being so I think the main question is, does the 853´s tip loads well and can cast well a 1/8oz t-rig? What do you guys think?
I´ve been searching and reading and still can´t figure it out which of them would be a better choice. Here where I live I can´t go to a shop and handle the rods and since there isn´t an industry standard and every manufacturer has their own concept of rod´s power and action (and I´m not familiar with G. Loomis´rods) I really don´t know what to choose. And also don´t want to wast money in something that isn´t what I´m looking for and need. Can you help me?
Give me some input please and shed some light on this.
Thanks.
Regards.
roadwarrior reply :
The JWR852C will be perfect.
FishTank reply :
I had the old version of the 803 and to me it was a magic wand but recently I broke in my car door and replaced it through the xpediter service. The new version is growing on me but it is a different animal. Personally I like the shorter length of the 803 for bank fishing. It is accurate and loads quickly, making long distance casts easy. I have paired it with a Chronarch 51e and occasionally a Core 101.
John G reply :
You need two different rods if you want to use an 1/8oz all the way to 3/8oz. Maybe 3 rods depending how big your plastic is with the 3/8oz. I have the NRX802C and I use to have the BCR802C and IMHO, there is no way you are fishing a 3/8oz bullet weight with these rods. If you stick to the 1/8 to 3/16oz, I would go with the 852. I have never used the 852 but I know that it will handle the lighter weights better than the 853. My guess is no, the 853GLX will not load properly with an 1/8oz weight. I don't even like how my NRX802 loads with an 1/8oz but it's definitly better than my NRX803. I originally tried a 1/8 finesse jig with trailer with my 802 and with FC, I did not like how it loaded and casted. A 3/16oz is much better. If I were going to use a 5/16 to 3/8oz weight, I am using my MBR844. I'll be honest with you, I prefer the old MBR Fast Action rods to to the BCR and NRX Extra Fast. I think a rod that you may want to consider is the great, old reliable, tried and true MBR843GLX. I have the IMX and it's just a fantastic rod.
aavery2 reply :
If you go with the NRX you are going to want the 853 IMO.
Tywithay reply :
I would go with the 853. 1/8oz with a decent sized worm or craw is going to be at least 3/16-1/4, the 3/8+plastic will be over 1/2. Casting long distances, the little bit of added power may be necessary to help get those hooks to stick em too.
cabrela reply :
Just would like to add that would´t be just 1/8oz, would be a 1/8oz weight plus a SK Rage Craw or a Baby Brush Hog or something like that...
And does the 853 have a true lure rating? Does it load well with 3/16oz weight?
cabrela reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 4:27 AM, FishTank said:I had the old version of the 803 and to me it was a magic wand but recently I broke in my car door and replaced it through the xpediter service. The new version is growing on me but it is a different animal. Personally I like the shorter length of the 803 for bank fishing. It is accurate and loads quickly, making long distance casts easy. I have paired it with a Chronarch 51e and occasionally a Core 101.
With your 803 could you cast easily a ptl craw d´oeuvre (or something like it) with a 1/8 - 3/16oz bullet weight?
cabrela reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 4:16 AM, roadwarrior said:The JWR852C will be perfect.
Wouldn´t it be on the weak side with a heavier weight on it?
cabrela reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 4:48 AM, aavery2 said:If you go with the NRX you are going to want the 853 IMO.
I wish I could....
cabrela reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 4:42 AM, John G said:You need two different rods if you want to use an 1/8oz all the way to 3/8oz. Maybe 3 rods depending how big your plastic is with the 3/8oz. I have the NRX802C and I use to have the BCR802C and IMHO, there is no way you are fishing a 3/8oz bullet weight with these rods. If you stick to the 1/8 to 3/16oz, I would go with the 852. I have never used the 852 but I know that it will handle the lighter weights better than the 853. My guess is no, the 853GLX will not load properly with an 1/8oz weight. I don't even like how my NRX802 loads with an 1/8oz but it's definitly better than my NRX803. I originally tried a 1/8 finesse jig with trailer with my 802 and with FC, I did not like how it loaded and casted. A 3/16oz is much better. If I were going to use a 5/16 to 3/8oz weight, I am using my MBR844. I'll be honest with you, I prefer the old MBR Fast Action rods to to the BCR and NRX Extra Fast. I think a rod that you may want to consider is the great, old reliable, tried and true MBR843GLX. I have the IMX and it's just a fantastic rod.
But if you could go with only one of those (852/3/4), what would be your choice?
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John G reply :
If you are going to fish the heavier weights that you mentioned, I would get the 853.On 11/18/2014 at 9:16 PM, cabrela said:But if you could go with only one of those (852/3/4), what would be your choice?
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roadwarrior reply :
On 11/18/2014 at 9:13 PM, cabrela said:Wouldn´t it be on the weak side with a heavier weight on it?
From your original post: "I mainly fish with a 1/8 - 3/16oz weight plus the plastic bait".
For those weight plus trailers the 852 is perfect.
cabrela reply :
On 11/19/2014 at 5:23 AM, roadwarrior said:From your original post: "I mainly fish with a 1/8 - 3/16oz weight plus the plastic bait".
For those weight plus trailers the 852 is perfect.
And with a 1/4 weight?
cabrela reply :
On 11/19/2014 at 4:18 AM, John G said:If you are going to fish the heavier weights that you mentioned, I would get the 853.
I never went over 1/4oz, but I might one day, don´t know....
cabrela reply :
Can anyone tell me if the 853 has a true lure rating? Does it load well with 3/16oz weight?
I never fished with a ex-fast rod, that´s my concern...
cabrela reply :
On 11/19/2014 at 6:10 AM, cabrela said:Can anyone tell me if the 853 has a true lure rating? Does it load well with 3/16oz weight?
I never fished with a ex-fast rod, that´s my concern...
Because if it was to fish only with 1/8 - 3/16oz weights plus trailers I would go with the 852 (as RW suggested), but if the 853´s ex-fast tip loads well with a 3/16oz I would choose it because it would be a more versatile rod.
I just don´t know how is the G. Loomis GLX ex-fast fast action...can you help me?
John G reply :
Like I said in my earlier post, I like the Loomis fast actions better than the extra fast. If I was using a 3/16oz bullet weight with just a Trick Worm or a Rage Tail Craw, I am going to use my NRX802. I know of another member that told me that he uses his 802 with 1/4oz. I assume he meant 1/4oz plus the plastic. Anything heavier and he goes to the 803.
FishTank reply :
On 11/18/2014 at 9:11 PM, cabrela said:With your 803 could you cast easily a ptl craw d´oeuvre (or something like it) with a 1/8 - 3/16oz bullet weight?
Sure. I use a 1/8oz bullet weight with a Zoom Lizard all the time and never have an issue. I also through 4in and 5in senkos weightless with this rod and again no issues.
WRB reply :
Keep in mind a T-rig, with 1/8 oz bullet weight and 6"-7" worm weighs in excess of 14 oz. most 3/8 oz jigs with skirt and trailer exceeds 1/2 oz. 3 power fast action rod is minimum power and proper action for T-rigs or a jig rod. I would suggest the 853 for your application and use smaller diameter 10-12# FC line
Tom
cabrela reply :
On 11/21/2014 at 11:09 AM, WRB said:Keep in mind a T-rig, with 1/8 oz bullet weight and 6"-7" worm weighs in excess of 14 oz. most 3/8 oz jigs with skirt and trailer exceeds 1/2 oz. 3 power fast action rod is minimum power and proper action for T-rigs or a jig rod. I would suggest the 853 for your application and use smaller diameter 10-12# FC line
Tom
Thanks. I usually use 0.30mm line (going up max. 0.32mm and dow to 0.28mm)
*Hootie reply :
On 11/21/2014 at 11:09 AM, WRB said:Keep in mind a T-rig, with 1/8 oz bullet weight and 6"-7" worm weighs in excess of 14 oz.
Tom
14 oz. Those worms must be as big around as a pepperoni. Sorry Tom, I couldn't resist...lol.
Hootie
WRB reply :
What's a missing slash between friends.On 11/22/2014 at 7:16 AM, *Hootie said:14 oz. Those worms must be as big around as a pepperoni. Sorry Tom, I couldn't resist...lol.
Hootie
cabrela reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 7:47 AM, WRB said:What's a missing slash between friends.
aavery2 reply :
Master Bait'r reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 4:16 AM, roadwarrior said:The JWR852C will be perfect.
Very much so. I have the 852c green and love it for everything light and tiny but nobody ever talks about how underrated these rods are as far as weight rating. The 852 is rated to 3/8oz but I'd say it has the power to easily go higher. The backbone in these NRX rods is unbelievable, they are extremely stout.
As with all finesse rods, I'd want to stick w the lower power if I could, as it will cast much better. If say unless you were planning on throwing around baits at the high end of that rating I would stick with the 2 power. It's a hell of a stick and it will surprise you with how powerful it actually is.
cabrela reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 11:35 PM, Master Bait said:Very much so. I have the 852c green and love it for everything light and tiny but nobody ever talks about how underrated these rods are as far as weight rating. The 852 is rated to 3/8oz but I'd say it has the power to easily go higher. The backbone in these NRX rods is unbelievable, they are extremely stout.
As with all finesse rods, I'd want to stick w the lower power if I could, as it will cast much better. If say unless you were planning on throwing around baits at the high end of that rating I would stick with the 2 power. It's a hell of a stick and it will surprise you with how powerful it actually is.
You are talking about the NRX right? But what about the GLX? Do they have the same tip?
Is the GLX as stout as the NRX? Or softer?
Master Bait'r reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 11:53 PM, cabrela said:You are talking about the NRX right? But what about the GLX? Do they have the same tip?
Is the GLX as stout as the NRX? Or softer?
Sorry I missed that part. I have never fished the GLX.
cabrela reply :
That the problem, the 852 is a medium and is rated up to 3/8 and the 853 is rated up to 5/8 and is a medium-heavy, I don´t know if I´m thinking right but if it was a medium with a top rating of 5/8 I wouldn´t even think twice because it would have some backbone, but I´m affraid that the 852 will not have the power and the 853 will be too stiff (being a MH rod it will flex less)....and since I can´t hold them before I buy it and they are not a $50 rod....that´s way I´m trying to figure it out.
iabass8 reply :
1/8-1/4oz weight + plastic in open water/light cover = 853
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:17 AM, iabass8 said:1/8-1/4oz weight + plastic in open water/light cover = 853
Can I ask you if you own or fished a GLX 853?
iabass8 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:22 AM, cabrela said:Can I ask you if you own or fished a GLX 853?
I've fished the GLX 844/853/854
i've fished the NRX853(used to own the 854) and own the NRX 893/894
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:26 AM, iabass8 said:I've fished the GLX 844/853/854
i've fished the NRX853(used to own the 854) and own the NRX 893/894
Great!!
Can you tell me a bit (or a bunch) about the rod, please? Tip, backbone, you name it...
iabass8 reply :
It sounds like you want a specific answer. What exactely do you want to know?
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:25 AM, iabass8 said:It sounds like you want a specific answer. What exactely do you want to know?
Basically if the 853C JWR´s tip is soft enough to cast with ease and far a 3/16oz weight, does it load well to throw out there a 3/16?
iabass8 reply :
3/16 oz + plastic , yes. Total weight will be around 5/16 or 3/8 depending on bait. You will have no issues
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:42 AM, iabass8 said:3/16 oz + plastic , yes. Total weight will be around 5/16 or 3/8 depending on bait. You will have no issues
And what about 1/8oz plus plastic?
iabass8 reply :
You will be able to cast it just fine but ideally the 852 would be bettet suited for that in terms of sheer distance. I would rather throw a 1/8 oz + plastic on the 853 then a 1/4oz-5/16 on the 852. If at some point you get a fish wrapped in wood or junk, you will be glad you have the 853. If you are never throwing in cover and this rod will be 100% open water, the 852 would be a better choice as more often than not you're probably throwing 1/8 and 3/16. Add in any element of cover, get the 853 for 3/16-5/16.
rangerjockey reply :
I usually use my 853 for 5/16 and up..I would agree 3/16 and a plastic of some kind would be fine.. I personally wouldn't go any lighter..1/8 oz.. Id be looking at the 2 power.
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:57 AM, iabass8 said:You will be able to cast it just fine but ideally the 852 would be bettet suited for that in terms of sheer distance...
Can you tell me how much in casting distance would I lose with the 853 (aprox.)?
iabass8 reply :
Hard to say. Depends on reel, how well you can cast, etc. it will be easier to throw the 1/8 on the 852 though.
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 4:11 AM, iabass8 said:Hard to say. Depends on reel, how well you can cast, etc. it will be easier to throw the 1/8 on the 852 though.
I plan to mount on it a Metanium...
Thank you very much for everything, you are a saint!
John G reply :
The Metanium and whatever NRX you choose would make a very nice combo.
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 7:44 AM, John G said:The Metanium and whatever NRX you choose would make a very nice combo.
GLX...
John G reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 9:10 AM, cabrela said:GLX...
My mistake! I meant GLX!
cabrela reply :
I wouldn´t mind to buy a NRX...
lmbfisherman reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 6:11 AM, Tywithay said:I would go with the 853. 1/8oz with a decent sized worm or craw is going to be at least 3/16-1/4, the 3/8+plastic will be over 1/2. Casting long distances, the little bit of added power may be necessary to help get those hooks to stick em too.
I agree with this and I own this rod,..but his assessment a worm or craw would make it a bit heavier. I'd go with the 853, for me the 852 would be more for weightless.
cabrela reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 11:15 PM, lmbfisherman said:I agree with this and I own this rod,..but his assessment a worm or craw would make it a bit heavier. I'd go with the 853, for me the 852 would be more for weightless.
Thanks,
And since you own it, can you tell me about the rod? Especially its tip, where it flex, how and how much does it flex, how is the rod´s tip?
cabrela reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 3:37 AM, *Hootie said:This is getting really intense. Four pages, and we're nowhere...lol.
Hootie
You are helping alot...
John G reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 4:34 AM, *Hootie said:Personally, I don't think you're looking for help. You ask, "why"? Simple, nothing's helping.
Hootie
Hootie,
I do think he is looking for help. The man is in Portugal and unlike us, he doesn't have a Bass Pro Shops down the street that he can visit and handle every rod in the store. Buying an expensive rod that you can't hold is risky so I don't fault him for wanting to be as close to 100% sure of his purchase as he can be.
*Hootie reply :
cabrela, I apologize for my comments. I was not aware of your situation. Thank you John for straightening me out, before I offended everyone.
Hootie
cabrela reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 5:20 AM, John G said:Hootie,
I do think he is looking for help. The man is in Portugal and unlike us, he doesn't have a Bass Pro Shops down the street that he can visit and handle every rod in the store. Buying an expensive rod that you can't hold is risky so I don't fault him for wanting to be as close to 100% sure of his purchase as he can be.
Once again, thank you John.
cabrela reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 5:39 AM, *Hootie said:cabrela, I apologize for my comments. I was not aware of your situation. Thank you John for straightening me out, before I offended everyone.
Hootie
Hootie
Sorry to be a pain...but as John said I can´t handle the rods before I buy them and neither I can´t buy gazilions of rods so I have to careful in my choice.
Thanks.
*Hootie reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 5:52 AM, cabrela said:Hootie
Sorry to be a pain...but as John said I can´t handle the rods before I buy them and neither I can´t buy gazilions of rods so I have to careful in my choice.
Thanks.
I imagine that's quite a problem, especially when purchasing an expensive rod. Hope you're successful in your pursuit.
I have an NRX 803c, that I use for jigs and plastics. I typically use a 3/16 to 1/4 oz worm weights with my plastics. Never thrown a jig lighter than 1/4 oz. So I guess that's not much help.
Hootie
cabrela reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 6:09 AM, *Hootie said:I imagine that's quite a problem, especially when purchasing an expensive rod. Hope you're successful in your pursuit.
Hootie
It is! Because I´m spending money in something that I can´t see and don´t know well, only by the words of others....that´s why I asked for you guys some help.
Thanks.
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