Hey guys. I have a quick question regarding the type of line I should use. I have a casting setup, 7ft MH 7:1 gear ratio, that I plan on using for jigs and weighted Texas rigs. I would most likely fish these lures along weed lines with moderate vegetation and cover. So my question is, what pound braid should I use with my setup? I can't decide between 30 or 40 pound. Thanks and tight lines!
I like 30lb sufix 832 for this type of fishing
My T-Rig/Jig rig will have 30# Power Pro on it.
I use 20lb braid to 16lb fluoro leader
40lb 832 for me
30lb Power Pro is my bread and butter.
But my flipping setup is 65lb Power Pro
On 1/28/2020 at 9:50 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:But my flipping setup is 65lb Power Pro
50# PP for mine...
@MN Fisher You know what they say about great minds?
On 1/28/2020 at 10:06 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:@MN Fisher You know what they say about great minds?
Twin Sons of Different Mothers?
And half a country away too!
50# on casting gear for me. Strong enough that I can get away with froggin it, but it also ties well to a variety of leader sizes 12-20# mono and fluoro.
30 pound Sufix 832, no leader. And yes it works in crystal clear water. I fish a lot of quarries with 10+ feet of visibility.
I may be the odd man out here, but texas rigs and jigs are the 2 lures I use straight flourocarbon.
It has nothing to do with line visibility or sinking rate.
the reason I use flourocarbon is the semi slack line sensitivity. Often times when a jig or worm is falling the line is not tight.
braid has great sensitivity on a tight line. I can't feel bites on a semi slack line with braid..
Not all fluorocarbon lines are equal. from my own experience, Tatsu, shooter,sniper, and assasin seems the most sensitive.
My combos are different, because I fish different cover. For what you describe, 30lb is plenty strong enough unless the weeds, or your jig hook are super thick. If you'll be using that combo for punching those weeds, I'd go with 50lb and forget the fluoro leader.
On 1/28/2020 at 11:41 AM, papajoe222 said:My combos are different, because I fish different cover. For what you describe, 30lb is plenty strong enough unless the weeds, or your jig hook are super thick. If you'll be using that combo for punching those weeds, I'd go with 50lb and forget the fluoro leader.
Yes, I should have added that I use 50 or 65 pound braid for punching.
65lb power pro. If I hook a buick on the bottom of the lake im bringing it home.
40-65lb smackdown or maxquartro. 12-16lb leader if needed
Berkley Big Game 15# Mean Green ????
^^^ This.
I use to use Yozuri Hybrid line, but the stores around me don't carry it any longer, and the few times I tried to buy it online, the sites were on backorder.
On 1/28/2020 at 10:34 AM, Russ E said:I may be the odd man out here, but texas rigs and jigs are the 2 lures I use straight flourocarbon.
It has nothing to do with line visibility or sinking rate.
the reason I use flourocarbon is the semi slack line sensitivity. Often times when a jig or worm is falling the line is not tight.
braid has great sensitivity on a tight line. I can't feel bites on a semi slack line with braid..
Not all fluorocarbon lines are equal. from my own experience, Tatsu, shooter,sniper, and assasin seems the most sensitive.
Ditto!
Mike
30lb yellow PP to 15lb red label leader
40 lb. Power Pro Yellow Braid with 15 lb. Big Game mono leader (FG knot for life) ????
I'm with @LionHeart. I'm a fan of leader for shock absorption and abrasion resistance, and I also worry about line shy fish. I've got a 7'3" Medium Heavy rated to an ounce that I run straight fluorocarbon on in 15# because I don't run it in the really heavy stuff.
When my 7'6" Tatula XT HF arrives it will be rocking 40# braid to 17# fluorocarbon and used for jigs and worming via casting and pitching.
I guess I should have added that I also have one stick that has 15 lb Tatsu on it. Still not sure if I am a fan or not. I guess having used braid for so long it is going to take some getting used to. Just trying to teach an old new new tricks as they say.
I've never had luck with going lower than 40lb. braid on my casting reels. So for that, my vote is for 40lb. given the options you gave us.
Me personally, I'd be using 14-17 pound fluorocarbon for this.
40lb Smackdown with a FC leader.
I use Abrazx, Invisx and McCoys. No more braid for me.
Like mentioned above, if there’s an inch of slack in your line you won’t feel a thing using braid. FC and mono has much more sensitivity in slack line
10 to 14 lb invisx depending on the cover.
To me it comes down to preference, but that is not directly correlated to the line. What I mean is that my line choice comes down to the rod itself. I like a fairly stiff rod for texas rigs and jigs, therefore I normally use flurocarbon. I use Braid when punching regardless of rod.
On 1/28/2020 at 10:34 AM, Russ E said:I may be the odd man out here, but texas rigs and jigs are the 2 lures I use straight flourocarbon.
It has nothing to do with line visibility or sinking rate.
the reason I use flourocarbon is the semi slack line sensitivity. Often times when a jig or worm is falling the line is not tight.
braid has great sensitivity on a tight line. I can't feel bites on a semi slack line with braid..
Not all fluorocarbon lines are equal. from my own experience, Tatsu, shooter,sniper, and assasin seems the most sensitive.
Yup. Same here. I use 16 lb Sunline Sniper and love it.
David Dudley recently did a demonstration on braid vs fluoro on slack line.
I prefer yozuri 15lb hybrid myself. I used to use braid, 40lb but made the switch last year and I seem to have a better hookup percentage. not sure if the no stretch was pulling the baits out or what but I didn't lose many fish at all this past year.
On 1/29/2020 at 2:19 AM, NorthernBasser said:Yup. Same here. I use 16 lb Sunline Sniper and love it.
David Dudley recently did a demonstration on braid vs fluoro on slack line.
That's what I just rigged my new flippin' setup with, 16lbs Sniper. What reel do you use?
On 1/29/2020 at 2:21 AM, flyfisher said:I prefer yozuri 15lb hybrid myself. I used to use braid, 40lb but made the switch last year and I seem to have a better hookup percentage. not sure if the no stretch was pulling the baits out or what but I didn't lose many fish at all this past year.
I think I'm going to switch from braid to something else this season too.
How does the 15lb YZ hybrid handle and how is the memory? Do you use line conditioner.
I've only used the 6lb on some spinning reels.
On 1/29/2020 at 3:08 AM, TBAG said:I think I'm going to switch from braid to something else this season too.
How does the 15lb YZ hybrid handle and how is the memory? Do you use line conditioner.
I've only used the 6lb on some spinning reels.
Handles very well and I use KVD line conditioner. No issues at all. Super strong stuff too.
On 1/29/2020 at 2:43 AM, Hawkeye21 said:That's what I just rigged my new flippin' setup with, 16lbs Sniper. What reel do you use?
Curado K (7.4:1) on my main t-rig rod and my jig rod and the previous Curado model (Curado I in 7.2:1) on a different t-rig rod.
I usually spray a little KVD line conditioner on the spools the night before. Tho it's not always necessary, especially if you're doing close distance pitching/flipping.
Does heavier fluorocarbon transmit vibration better than thinner line?
I wonder how big an impact line diameter has in its ability to transmit vibration.
Line doesn't transmit vibrations underwater, it can move and you feel the movements not vibrations.
Smaller diameter line has less coefficient of drag moving through water them larger diameter and takes less force to move smaller diameter line vs larger.
I use the smallest diameter line that the cover or structure where the bass are located will allow me to set the hook effectively and control the bass. Where I fish jigs and T-rigged w/sliding bullet weight that is 10 lb to 14 lb FC or mono. I only fish braid without a leader and in very heavy cover.
Tom
On 1/28/2020 at 9:32 AM, MN Fisher said:My T-Rig/Jig rig will have 30# Power Pro on it.
+1 ... You could add a 3' to 4' leader of #12 lb. P-Line C-XX co-poly (green) if you feel the need for abrasion resistance.
On 1/30/2020 at 6:54 PM, ChrisD46 said:+1 ... You could add a 3' to 4' leader of #12 lb. P-Line C-XX co-poly (green) if you feel the need for abrasion resistance.
I could - but I don't do leaders.
I would use fluoro from like 12-18lb, depending on which brand and how “MH” the rod is.
I am not a braid fan and only use it when I have satisfied myself that nothing else will work.
I have read post on this site for over a decade now and it amazes me how bass anglers think they need line that can control fish 2X bigger then they will ever catch.
When you consider the average legal size bass is between 1 1/2 to 3 1/2 lbs and that makes up 90% of the bass caught. Why does any bass angler need to use line over 15 lb test? The only reason I use heavier test line is in very heavy cover to get my lure or a bass out of snags.
The only bass angler on this site has caught a bass over 15 lbs is me and I don't use line Over 15 lb test 99% of the time. You will enjoy your casting more accurately and catching more bass by using line 15 lb test or lighter. 15 lb test is 5 times stronger then your average size bass weighs.
Tom
On 1/31/2020 at 12:58 AM, WRB said:I have read post on this site for over a decade now and it amazes me how bass anglers think they need line that can control fish 2X bigger then they will ever catch.
When you consider the average legal size bass is between 1 1/2 to 3 1/2 lbs and that makes up 90% of the bass caught. Why does any bass angler need to use line over 15 lb test? The only reason I use heavier test line is in very heavy cover to get my lure or a bass out of snags.
The only bass angler on this site has caught a bass over 15 lbs is me and I don't use line Over 15 lb test 99% of the time. You will enjoy your casting more accurately and catching more bass by using line 15 lb test or lighter. 15 lb test is 5 times stronger then your average size bass weighs.
Tom
15 is the heaviest i use year round. The only exception being 7in+ swimbait, alabama rig, or a frog on chik grass. I throw the A-rig on 20 lb mono, given i've never had a fish break one off but i throw those select baits on heavier line for my pockets safety's sake
@WRB - in defence for the braid/heavier line crowd, was your bass over 15, caught in open water or around structure?
For those who fish structure, (when I say structure in my mind I'm thinking river current, log jams, stumps, root balls) wouldn't you at least recommend braid? Fishing where I do bass head straight for the closet log they can find. If it's a big lake, sure turn down the drag and let em run
On 1/31/2020 at 12:58 AM, WRB said:I have read post on this site for over a decade now and it amazes me how bass anglers think they need line that can control fish 2X bigger then they will ever catch.
If youre referring to braid lb test, heavier lb test sometimes is just easier to manage on baitcasting gear
I use 25 lb to 30 lb mono/copolymer line for big swimbaits so the 4 to 7 oz lures don't break off during a backlash, not to control the bass.
Sure bass try to get into cover when fighting it's their escape route but you should be able control the biggest bass with 12 lb line using proper tackle and technique. I am not fishing in a swimming pool without structure, trees, brush etc that bass try to get into and rarely loose DD bass due to the size of my line.
Bass anglers are indoctrinated to believe they need far heavier tackle then needed.
I am passing this on because my mentor was Jason Lucas a highly skilled light line bass angler who recommended catching bass using appropriate tackle to enjoy the fight and develope skills to control the fish. After 6 decades of catching bass my enjoyment was enhanced by following Jay's advice.
Tom
On 1/31/2020 at 6:52 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:@WRB - in defence for the braid/heavier line crowd, was your bass over 15, caught in open water or around structure?
For those who fish structure, (when I say structure in my mind I'm thinking river current, log jams, stumps, root balls) wouldn't you at least recommend braid? Fishing where I do bass head straight for the closet log they can find. If it's a big lake, sure turn down the drag and let em run
Everything except the river current you mentioned that is wood is cover to me.
Tom
On 1/31/2020 at 6:52 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:For those who fish structure, (when I say structure in my mind I'm thinking river current, log jams, stumps, root balls) wouldn't you at least recommend braid?
Structure is the contour of the bottom.
What you're describing is cover, well minus the current.
I've caught 35 double digit bass up to 12.5 lbs all on 15# Berkley Big Game & all in grass, brush, & timber.
This 11 lb. 3 oz was caught in nearly matted grass.
Bragging about using below average size line to catch above average size bass is like bragging about having unprotected sex. I’ve been lucky too but it ain’t something to crow about.
On 1/31/2020 at 10:32 AM, jbrew73 said:Bragging about using below average size line to catch above average size bass is like bragging about having unprotected sex. I’ve been lucky too but it ain’t something to crow about.
Honestly ... Id take that bass over sex in a heartbeat
When I'm dragging a worm or senko for double digit fish , it's with P-Line CXX 15#. That line is no joke. Keep it sprayed down with kvd or reel magic if you're worried about memory.
I never could get on board with the P-Line. Used it for a while and it performed fine but once i went Yo Zuri i never looked back. I will say though the newer spools arent quite the same as the older formulation. It may be something else but Ive noticed the older spools that I have are colored (smoke, green, pink) and perform much better IMO than the clear stuff I buy off amazon.
@Catt @WRB - my apologies, cover not structure. I get it wrong sometimes!
Yall make me want to downsize my line and tackle just simply for thrill of the fight. It's old timers like yall (please take no offense) that inspire me to be a better fisherman. To actually learn what makes fish react certain ways, things to look for, etc.
You are right though, 1-2lb fish is average and we worry about wether to throw 20lb FC or 30lb braid. It is a bit ironic. But I like the point Jbrew made, if I can get away with bigger, why not be extra safe?
Really good topic and I like pickin yalls brains
Thinking back to the early 80's, all my t rigs were fished mainly with a spinning outfit on 8 lb test, as were some of my jigs. When I bought my first baitcaster, I spooled it with 10 lb, figuring better safe than sorry.
Even in the 90's up until about 2001, 10 lb mono was my heaviest line, but I was still using 8 or 10 lb for t rigs.Then I tried a spool of 12 lb Yozuri ultra soft, it became my go to line. Other than using braid for swimbaits, frogging, and some bottom stuff in really heavy slop, 12 lb was the max. Just for giggles, I've caught some decent bass, over 5 lbs on 6 lb mono and FC..
As Tom mentioned, about folks using what I consider much heavier line than is sometimes need. Until I start breaking off due to to light of a line, I'll continue to use as light of line that I can get away with. I've caught saltwater fish that fight WAY harder, and have TEETH, on 10 lb test..
On 1/31/2020 at 10:32 AM, jbrew73 said:Bragging about using below average size line to catch above average size bass is like bragging about having unprotected sex. I’ve been lucky too but it ain’t something to crow about.
It ain't bragging...it's called experience in knowing how to fight a fish!
A well placed shot with a .243 will drop a Whitetail just a dead as a .50 cal.
I only read the first page of responses, but to answer your specific question, I can't tell the difference between 30# and 40# braid. Either will work fine. However there are differences in brands, and all suggestions you have received will have merit.
I've used Trilene Big Game for as long as I can remember. Any fish I've lost in almost 40yrs of fishing has been my own fault, never the fault of the line.