Knots 2024

FunkJishing reply :

whats better/do you use most?

HardcoreBassin reply :

Clinch on mono/flouro and palomar on braid.

ABW reply :

Four knot I use

Arbor knot to spool on line

Alberto for leaders

San Diego Jam for fluorocarbon or mono

Palomar with braid

OroBass reply :

I've really been exploring the uni knot and have been pleased

rippin-lips reply :

Arbor - spool

Palomar - braid or mono/copoly

Uni - fluoro

Alberto/Albright - leaders

aprestonSEK reply :

Mono/Fluoro

1. Miller knot

2. San Diego Jam

Braid

1. Palomar

2. Miller knot

Leader

1. Albright

OntarioFishingGuy reply :

Mainline to leader: Double Uni

Mono/Fluoro to lure: Palomar

Braid to lure: Double Palomar

John G reply :

I am usually either straight braid or fluorocarbon and I always use a Uni.

hatrix reply :

Neither anymore. Although there is nothing wrong with a clinch.

Sandiego Jam or a Uni are the only thing I use anymore.

A palomar is actually a knot while a clinche is not. It is actually a slip.

Knots are bad. Slips are good.

Mike L reply :

If you would have asked this 5 yrs ago I would have said the clinch for everything except for braid which has always been the Palomar.

But since finding the San Diego Jam and learning the corect way to tie it, and trusting it, that is what I use now exclusively for all line types except braid.

Mike

SirSnookalot reply :

Using a swivel with braid, improved clinch.

Leader to braid, alberto freshwater, bristol saltwater.

Leader to jig and jig heads, ordinary clinch.

Leader to lures, loopknot.

smalljaw67 reply :

I use the Palomar for all and when I use to use braid and leaders I used a uni to uni to attach braid to fluorocarbon but the lure or snap attachment no matter the line is always a Palomar for me.

Catch and Grease reply :

I use Palomar more than the Improved Clinch but I use the San Diego Jam more than both.

FunkJishing reply :

_{i asked because these are the only two knots i can do so far. Just been practicing new knots and trying to lock em down so i can use them.}

FunkJishing reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 9:15 AM, hatrix said:
Knots are bad. Slips are good.

is this true? and why?

FunkJishing reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 6:53 AM, HardcoreBassin said:
Clinch on mono/flouro and palomar on braid.

why's that?

Catch and Grease reply :

The Palomar knot is not a bad knot.

I don't know if I know any other actual fishing knots but I use a lot of slip knots.

J Francho reply :

Lots of knot threads in recent posts. To answer your poll: Yes.

Here's a good read: http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/145043-what-are-the-4-knots-that-every-angler-novice-to-professional-should-know/?hl=knot

HardcoreBassin reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 10:24 PM, herefishy_20 said:
why's that?

They are 2 simple, strong knots. Clinch won't work well on braid because braid (for the most part) lacks the ability to bind on itself becuase it doesn't have much "give" in it. The binding/constricting of the clinch knot is what makes it tight, so if it is used on braid it runs a high risk of slipping loose under strain.

I try to keep my knots simple. So I use those 2 and then al albright for tying a leader.

FunkJishing reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 10:30 PM, HardcoreBassin said:

The binding/constricting of the clinch knot is what makes it tight, so if it is used on braid it runs a high risk of slipping loose under strain.

makes perfect sence! now i know to never use the improoved clinch on braid. lol

FunkJishing reply :

so im assuming slips are better for mono and knots are better for braid?

SirSnookalot reply :

When using the improved clinch knot with braid make 2 final wraps instead of the normal 1, it will not pull through. I've caught hundreds of saltwater fish with this knot, I use if for freshwater as well. For some extra protection put a bead on the tag end with lighter, singeing tools are sold as well.

SHaugh reply :

Why not use an arbor knot for everything ? That's what I've been doing lately. When I want to change lures I just pull the tag.. untie it and tie on a new one... trim when it starts to wear... All those other knots take too much time imo...

BassSlayer71 reply :

I've used the clinch on everything and the line always fails before it does.

J Francho reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 11:00 PM, SHaugh said:
Why not use an arbor knot for everything ? That's what I've been doing lately. When I want to change lures I just pull the tag.. untie it and tie on a new one... trim when it starts to wear... All those other knots take too much time imo...

Not quite clear what you mean "arbor knot." Do you mean below? Not sure I would trust that to hold.

roadwarrior reply :

Palomar for most single hoks

16-20 (also known as a Duncan or Pitzen Knot) for lures

San Diego Jam for braid

Alberto Knot to join braid to fluoro

FunkJishing reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 11:00 PM, SHaugh said:
Why not use an arbor knot for everything ?

isn't that the knot used to spool up a spin reel? I wouldn't trust that one.

SHaugh reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 11:31 PM, herefishy_20 said:
isn't that the knot used to spool up a spin reel? I wouldn't trust that one.

I know that's what most people will say... but I've never lost a lure. there's simply no way for that end knot to slip through the clinch... in very stiff mono it could come loose I suppose, but in the lines I use it never fails. Try it...

hatrix reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 10:22 PM, herefishy_20 said:
is this true? and why?

Because knots are just that. They are a knot. The harder you pull or the more you use it the tighter and tighter it gets. It digs into it self more and more and continuously weakens the line. You can use a palomar with braid but I wouldn't recommend it for anything other then that.

J Francho reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 11:48 PM, SHaugh said:
I know that's what most people will say... but I've never lost a lure. there's simply no way for that end knot to slip through the clinch... in very stiff mono it could come loose I suppose, but in the lines I use it never fails. Try it...

The issue with an arbor knot is that when you tighten the knot, it pulls the tag end back into the actual knot, while under pressure, until you hit the stop knot, which also pulls off the tag end when tightened. While it may have never been an issue with your line choice, I GUARANTEE it will weaken many others. That's why hitch and square knots are not used for fishing line, or any knot that pulls from the tag end while cinching down.

SHaugh reply :

On 11/7/2014 at 11:53 PM, J Francho said:
The issue with an arbor knot is that when you tighten the knot, it pulls the tag end back into the actual knot, while under pressure, until you hit the stop knot, which also pulls off the tag end when tightened. While it may have never been an issue with your line choice, I GUARANTEE it will weaken many others. That's why hitch and square knots are not used for fishing line, or any knot that pulls from the tag end while cinching down.

I know... try it on your line and see if you can make it fail.. I couldn't... a valid criticism would be that the continuous cinching action could weaken the line.... but I change and trim so often it simply never happens...

J Francho reply :

I can tie a Palomar knot with 6# InvisX that breaks at a little over 8#. My friend can only get about 3.5# out of the same line. We've done this exercise at many sportsman shows. It proves that the knot tier is a big variable in knot strength. I have no doubt you can tie this knot well, but I don't think you're getting maximum strength out of the line. Like you say, it's good enough for you, and doesn't cause any issue. I'd hesitate to recommend the knot, when there's better.

FunkJishing reply :

so with slips the line can be weakened by the pressure of the slip crimping the line and with knots the more they're pulled the tighter they get until they break? (with mono)

J Francho reply :

Yep

FunkJishing reply :

wow haha so im guessing knots are better than slips... i'd rather have a knot fight til the end than have a slip get weaker and weaker throughout the fight.

Catch and Grease reply :

Not really ^^

FunkJishing reply :

then whats better? lol

FunkJishing reply :

i use both the improoved clinch and palomar but i want to know what's best.

SHaugh reply :

If you cinch the knot tight before you use it, it's not going to cinch much tighter.

The reason he can tie a palomar and have one break easily and another one be strong is all about how you cinch the knot. A dry cinch can heat up the line and damage it's structure. If you wet the line with saliva it will cinch down with no friction and not damage the line.

I threw out the arbor knot idea because I think people have overthought knots way too much.... especially with the super strong lines we have now.

The Davy knot is another quick one that is more than adequate for 99.9% of the events you are likely to encounter on a days fishing trip... I usually manage to do that one wrong too many times... so the arbor knot is one that works as well and is quick and brainless to tie..

if I have to count wraps and think about bunnies going in an out of holes I'm thinking too much about knots...imo...

J Francho reply :

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The reason he can tie a palomar and have one break easily and another one be strong is all about how you cinch the knot. A dry cinch can heat up the line and damage it's structure. If you wet the line with saliva it will cinch down with no friction and not damage the line.

No, both knots were wetted with saliva before cinching. Paul just can't tie a good Palomar.

Catch and Grease reply :

On 11/8/2014 at 1:25 AM, herefishy_20 said:
then whats better? lol

Yes

J Francho reply :

On 11/8/2014 at 1:31 AM, herefishy_20 said:
i use both the improoved clinch and palomar but i want to know what's best.

Why don't you look in the thread I linked to? I use a Uni, Palomar, Alberto, Improved Cinch, Arbor, Spider Hitch, Triple Surgeon's, Nail-less, and blood knots for my fishing. Which one is best? All of them, in the right spot. Learn to tie a few knots. You aren't whipping out a Palomar on a 6" bait with three sets of trebles. So, use your cinch knot. Or learn the improved cinch. Maybe try a Uni knot. See what holds better for you.

FunkJishing reply :

i use the improoved clinch and just recently started using the palomar and they both seem to be fine knots. I'm still in the process of looking at that thread btw. i want to learn the blood knot, seems hard. every time i try i do something wrong.

J Francho reply :

Learn the Alberto first. Blood knot is rarely used in bass fishing. It's best for connecting two lines, same diameter, and same material.

mprestonSEK reply :

For moving baits (cranks, spinnerbait, vibrating jigs) when using straight mono or copoly I will tie a San Diego Jam. When using braid to a leader my connection knot is the Albright. Depending on whether I am throwing a bottom contact lure or moving lure will determine what knot I tie with braid to leader. For bottom contact I tie the MIller knot (never failed on me to date). For reaction baits I will use the San Diego Jam. If conditions allow for straight braid, I will tie a Uni with the tag end passed twice through the eye of the hook to prevent slips.

FunkJishing reply :

On 11/8/2014 at 2:46 AM, J Francho said:
Learn the Alberto first. Blood knot is rarely used in bass fishing. It's best for connecting two lines, same diameter, and same material.

will do

hatrix reply :

On 11/8/2014 at 12:49 AM, herefishy_20 said:
so with slips the line can be weakened by the pressure of the slip crimping the line and with knots the more they're pulled the tighter they get until they break? (with mono)

That's impossible to avoid. Every knot is going to weaken over time. Palomar is just not a knot for me anymore. It is a bad knot for shock and lots of my fishing can be that way.

FunkJishing reply :

oh okay i get that^ sound like it has less give when pushed to the max

J Francho reply :

The problem most have with tying good knots is that they cinch the knot from the mainline side. Properly, you snug the knot from both sides, and cinch the knot from the tag end.

FunkJishing reply :

wow thats why my mainline above the knot gets crimped a little^ i'm going to clinch my nots from the tag end from now on haha

J Francho reply :

If your mainline is crimped, retie. You failed. I know that sounds mean, but it's the absolute truth.

FunkJishing reply :

hahahahahahahahaa it's fine, i learned from my mistake thanks to you.

ksboy reply :

I love the palomar knot for most but there are applications where it just doesn't work as well as others. I hardly ever use a clinch just because of what J.Franco said above about pulling on the line instead of the tag end. I recently started using a loop knot for some crankbaits and swimbaits. I like that one in certain situations. Getting on the lake and fishing will help you resolve which knots are better for you.

I hope all your fishing days are joyful and blessed. Some guys think fishing is about catching fish.

illinifan4152 reply :

Mainline to leader: Double Uni

Mono/Fluoro to lure: Palomar

Braid to lure: Double Palomar

FunkJishing reply :

lol went fishing yesterday and got to use the info J francho posted about the correct way to tie the palomar and it worked just fine haha NO CRIMPS.

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