Seaguar Braid 2024
Topwaterspook reply :
Does anyone have any experience and opinion on the Kazen braid?
roadwarrior reply :
No, I have not tried it but have heard good things about the line.
Dwight Hottle reply :
I tried some in 50lb test & it seems pretty smooth. No problems but not necessarily better than suffix 832.
Hooligan reply :
I've been in love with it from the start. It has great feel, and finish, and very very good abrasion resistance for braid.
I know others have had less than stellar results with it. Would I prefer it over 832, yes. Here's the caveat, though, Bass Pros new XPS 8 is as good, or better, than both the lines I mentioned for a little less money. It's built for them by Normark, IE: Suffix and has all the same quality of their lines with better abrasion resistance and slight edge on diameter. It's definitely worth a look for the cost.
J Francho reply :
I'm looking forward to trying it.
Topwaterspook reply :
I checked TW and the reviews wern't very good. The majority of replies were awfuly critical. Maybe I'll just stick with 832.
Indiana Bass1 reply :
I was gonna try some but all of the bad reviews on TW scared me off.
deep reply :
I really tried to like this line; too bad I couldn't..
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/110415-kanzen-braid-20-review/
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/90694-seaguar-kanzen-braid/
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/93747-anyone-using-seaguar-kanzen-braid/
Gabes1 reply :
I have heard good comments but haven't tried it. Always used 832.
BASSclary reply :
Not a bad braid, but i'll still take 832 over Kanzen. Kanzen is thin and strong, but a bit more rough than 832 IMO. I will say it SLICES through vegitation though. I wouldn't hesitate to use it in some of the nastiest cover. But for anything where I dont need that, I prefer the smoothness and feel of 832.
Im also very excited to try out BPS new 8 strand braid.
JeremyStarks reply :
I have been using the Kanzen braid for a while now and love it. I feel it has the right blend of smoothness and flexibility. The strength to diameter ratio is as good as any braid on the market and it is extremely sensitive. I also use the smaller sizes on topwater and spinning rod applications. so far it has proven to be a quality product. hope this helps.
Jeremy Starks
traitfishing reply :
in the beefier stuff, i suggest bumping up sizes from what you're used to...so if you flip with 40#, bump up to 50#. the lighter stuff has good castibility because of its smaller diameter. i haven't had any issues with it, just prefer to bump up in size from what i use in other braids when flipping or punching.
Jeremy JP Prouty reply :
I use it exclusively now. When punching mats it has a unique feature... It's nearly as quiet as mono or flouro when going through. Ever hear that "whooshing" sound other braids make when going through a mat? Kazen doesn't make any noise. It whispers through and gets more reaction strikes imo. Knot strength is really good but just like with any braid an extra loop or drop of glue never hurts. Another thing I've noticed is that wind knots from, especially on spinning reels, are highly reduced using this stuff in the smaller diameter lines 20# etc. The last thing I'll say is that the quality control at Seaguar is second to none. I haven't had a single bad spool of braid, mono or flouro EVER!!!! And I go through a TON of line!! Try some, you'll never go back!
J Francho reply :
I seriously think some of those bad reviews come from the same person. It all sounds like internet hyperbole to me, anyway. I'll be finding out for myself shortly.
T Brinks reply :
I have been using Kanzen since it came out and have had no issues with it at all. Like others mentioned, 832 is pretty good too, but I still prefer Kazen. It's smooth and casts very good. I just started using the 15lb on my spinning gear and love it for drop-shot.
mark menendez reply :
I have used Kanzen Braid for some time now. I have put it through the test! Drop shotting with light braid at Toledo Bend, Swim Jig at the Mississippi in La Crosse (50lb), and a Sexy Dawg topwater at Onieda (30lb) is my full angling experience with Kanzen during the Elites. I have not lost any fish to breakage or over use with this braid! The lack of stretch, sensitivity, and abrassion resistance covers my needs from top to bottom. The way the line is spooled on the Kanzen spool helps with twist and wind knots! I have 100% confiedence with Kanzen.
Mark Menendez
J Francho reply :
Welcome to Bass Resource, Mark!
A-Jay reply :
Holy Smokes ~ !
Welcome to BR Mark
It's fantastic to have Elite Series Anglers here -
Looking forward to reading your persecutive on various subject - whenever you can chime in -
A-Jay
baluga reply :
Tried the Kanzen 20# on baitcaster, the line was too thin it was thinner than most braid. It seems to have a 2# mono diameter for a 20# rating. It snaps too easily. Tried in on spinning and works fine.
Carson Orellana reply :
I have been using Seaguar line religiously for the past 3 or 4 years. The Kanzen Braid is the best braid in the industry. For the experienced and the begging anglers Kanzen is the best choice because of it's softness and great castibility. This line was designed without a coating; therefore, the line will last longer, act more supple and remain extremely abrasion resistant all at the same time!
J Francho reply :
Maybe Mark or Carson can comment on the line diameter thing. Normally, I'd go with a 50# braid to get somewhere close to a 12# mono of the same diameter. Kanzen specs are smaller, by quite a bit. Would you guys recommend bumping up to 60# Kanzen, say if we're used to the diameter of 50# Sufix or Power Pro?
MGreenElite reply :
I fish the BASS Elite series and have the option of using ANY Line/Braid on the market. I make my living fishing so you can be sure I will test EVERY line out there. Your connection to the fish has very little to do with the rod and reel and everything to do with the line. I like several braids on the market but my choice is the Seaguar braid. This braid will let me outcast the other brands. I'm not saying outcast by 50 feet but I can get another 15-20 for sure. There is no knot slip and I can use the line over and over without changing it out. Like Mark M said you can use it from drop shot to froggin from 10lb to 50lb it all works without a hitch. We all know when braid cuts back on itself on the reel and fouls up it's a real pain in the butt. With Seaguar that is reduced to almost never. Don't take some other guys word for it, my dad can't tie a knot for beans and for this reason ALL lines stink to him. This could be the guy giving you your information. Go get yourself a spool and see for yourself and I bet you'll love it like I do. Thanks all....
Matt G
kickerfish1 reply :
Very cool to see replys from some very respectable anglers! Thanks for chiming in and please continue to do so here as schedules allow...
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 8:09 AM, kickerfish1 said:Very cool to see replys from some very respectable anglers! Thanks for chiming in and please continue to do so here as schedules allow...
No disrespect but I checked and at least one is sponsored by Seaguar so have to take it as pimp of the product to some degree.
It would be nice if a person connected with a product would acknowledge the fact in their post.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 9:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:No disrespect but I checked and at least one is sponsored by Seaguar so have to take it as pimp of the product to some degree.
It would be nice if a person connected with a product would acknowledge the fact in their post.
No disrespect, but is it not reasonable to believe to some degree, that these anglers actually like and prefer this product ?
Perhaps this is why they chose to be associated with the company.
A-Jay
Gatorbassman reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 9:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:No disrespect but I checked and at least one is sponsored by Seaguar so have to take it as pimp of the product to some degree.
It would be nice if a person connected with a product would acknowledge the fact in their post.
Please note that it has never been against the policies of Bass Resource for a sponsored angler to answer questions about their sponsors product. We have always allowed it.
If they would have come here and started a thread about Seaguar then we would have to have a talk with them.
Thanks for your response guys. I have been looking for a new braid and was wondering about Kazen.
rockchalk06 reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 11:06 AM, flukemaster said:Ihave been looking for a new braid and was wondering about Kazen.
I'm going to buy some next week to try. Id love hearing what you have to say about it
Hooligan reply :
JF with Kanzen, specifically, Ive noticed that it is helpful to bump up in diameter, although not completely necessary. It does perform a little more one would expect in those diameters, which will help with casting and presentations. I am currently fishing it in 60, 40, and 30.
Though I am not an elite series angler, so you may find a differing opinion.
thehooligan reply :
I love the 10/2 power pro, but ill give the seaguar a shot next time im at dicks. The seaguar is 8/2, 10/3, 15/4, ill have to figure out what size to try...
Sam reply :
First time I ever heard of Mark Menendez was at a Bassmaster University program in 2003 in Richmond, Virginia. He was FANTASTIC!
An outstanding ambassador for bass fishing and B.A.S.S.
Ever since then I have followed his career; while he was ill; and his dog, Barkley. To say the least, I was very glad to see him back on the trail once again.
I have some DVDs featuring Mark and it is a pleasure to watch and listen to what he has to say.
I am thinking of taking my grandog fishing with me like Mark takes Barkley. However, with my grandog being an Austrailan Shepard he has the tendency of jumping out of the boat.
If Mark says Kazan is the best braid then I would try Kazan. And yes, some guys will love it and others will not. That is what makes this Forum a great place to share ideas and opinions.
I usually don't use braid but may try my luck with it in the Virginia waters this year.
Wonderful having Mark and the other Elite pros with us. We can learn a lot from them and I sincerely hope they continue to post.
J Francho reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 11:31 AM, Hooligan said:JF with Kanzen, specifically, Ive noticed that it is helpful to bump up in diameter, although not completely necessary. It does perform a little more one would expect in those diameters, which will help with casting and presentations. I am currently fishing it in 60, 40, and 30.
Though I am not an elite series angler, so you may find a differing opinion.
I suspect our fishing is similar. Thanks for the info, man.
J Francho reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 9:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:No disrespect but I checked and at least one is sponsored by Seaguar so have to take it as pimp of the product to some degree.
It would be nice if a person connected with a product would acknowledge the fact in their post.
Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Where else can you have access to several Elite series pros? Instead of immediately bashing them, why not try giving them the benefit of the doubt, and take the opportunity to gain some of their knowledge by asking questions.
Topwaterspook reply :
After hearing from fellas much more knowlegeable than myself, I'm going to give Kazen a try. Thanks, Mark and Carson. I got to thinking about what J Franco said about negative posts. There's nothing to stop someone from bashing a product if they've an axe to grind. My wife told me that she has heard of this type behavior on the internet. Thanks to all for your input.
roadwarrior reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 11:31 PM, Topwaterspook said:My wife told me that she has heard of this type behavior on the internet.
What? How can this be? I have never heard of such a thing!
TriCityBassin' reply :
I read this post and just have to say....this is the BEST site for bass fishing! I love Bassresource!!!
JigMe reply :
WOW...MARK!!!
scrutch reply :
Thanks to the pros for chiming in. Your input is very welcome and carries a lot of weight.
And ya never know, the pros just might pick something up here that they have never heard of. Nobody knows everything. And think, some of you guys just might indirectly contribute to an elite series win!
K Hawk reply :
I've been using Seaguar's Kanzen 40lb braid this winter on Guntersville fishing lipless crankbaits in the grass and have been really impressed with it. It's smooth and supple, so it casts extremely well. Definitely one of the better braided lines I've used.
Kevin
Aluma-Bass reply :
Kevin Hawk?! Sweet!
Nitrofreak reply :
On 1/31/2013 at 9:46 PM, K Hawk said:I've been using Seaguar's Kanzen 40lb braid this winter on Guntersville fishing lipless crankbaits in the grass and have been really impressed with it. It's smooth and supple, so it casts extremely well. Definitely one of the better braided lines I've used.
Kevin
I use Spiderwire a lot, mostly 30# for that 8# diameter, the trouble that I have is fade, I think it's actually the coating that starts to wear but the line itself remains strong, if you were to compare how would the Spiderwire differ from Kanzen in your opinion.
K Hawk reply :
On 2/1/2013 at 4:41 AM, Nitrofreak said:I use Spiderwire a lot, mostly 30# for that 8# diameter, the trouble that I have is fade, I think it's actually the coating that starts to wear but the line itself remains strong, if you were to compare how would the Spiderwire differ from Kanzen in your opinion.
Every brand of braid I've fished with over the years fades to some degree over time. As a habit, I take a sharpie and color alternating sections of line (spaced out every few inches) up the line about 5 feet to help camouflage the fading and the line. That way you can retie a few times before having to break out the sharpie again. Not sure if this actually helps, but I have confidence doing it.
Both Spiderwire Ultracast and Kanzen are super high quality braids. I like the fact that Kanzen comes in 80lb test where Ultracast maxes out at 65lb I believe. I haven't had an opportunity to fish Kanzen in anything other than 40 lb test so far, but will be using them all shortly. As I get some more water time with the other sizes I'll check back in with my thoughts.
roadwarrior reply :
Thanks. we look forward to hearing from you soon.
Nitrofreak reply :
On 2/1/2013 at 10:26 AM, K Hawk said:Every brand of braid I've fished with over the years fades to some degree over time. As a habit, I take a sharpie and color alternating sections of line (spaced out every few inches) up the line about 5 feet to help camouflage the fading and the line. That way you can retie a few times before having to break out the sharpie again. Not sure if this actually helps, but I have confidence doing it.
Both Spiderwire Ultracast and Kanzen are super high quality braids. I like the fact that Kanzen comes in 80lb test where Ultracast maxes out at 65lb I believe. I haven't had an opportunity to fish Kanzen in anything other than 40 lb test so far, but will be using them all shortly. As I get some more water time with the other sizes I'll check back in with my thoughts.
I have not seen it in anything higher than 65# so I think your assumption is correct, I have not tried coloring the line yet, I have heard that it helps, but the smell of the sharpie I think has been in the back of my mind as to why I have not attempted to try such a thing, your confidence in doing so will help me give it a try, but it's like other things as well, you just have to get past the smell, LOL !!!
I really appreciate the time you have taken to answer my question, welcome to the forum and I look forward to hearing more of what you have to offer in the future.
Good luck and be safe !!!
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 10:19 PM, J Francho said:Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Where else can you have access to several Elite series pros? Instead of immediately bashing them, why not try giving them the benefit of the doubt, and take the opportunity to gain some of their knowledge by asking questions.
No bashing at all. Just 4-5 posts read like ads for Seaguar, its their 1st post, so checked some them out and sure enough they are in association with Seaguar. They state just what I would expect them to state about a product they are in partnership with. I dont know any of them, dont follow the tournament scene, I have nothing against the brand/product at all. Im interested in the product thats why I read the thread to begin with. Just not influenced buy sponsored recommendations. I see this no differently than going into BPS hearing KVD say how great BPS Fluoro is give it a try. He is doing what is expected.
Same view as the OP in this thread
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/112698-pro-credibility/
Nitrofreak reply :
On 1/29/2013 at 9:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:No disrespect but I checked and at least one is sponsored by Seaguar so have to take it as pimp of the product to some degree.
It would be nice if a person connected with a product would acknowledge the fact in their post.
This was your post, I mean no disrespect to you either, but it seems that you were to quick to judge imo, if you were to go back and look at the posts that, Menendez, Carson, Hawk, and Green, put out for us, every one of them said they have used it for some time, imo, they have offered advise on the line from their perspective, not one of them said you need to go out and purchace this product, there was a lot of insite from people who use and abuse this product on a daily basis and other lines as well that they are not affiliated with and mearly offered and informed opinion on what they know to be true when comparing different lines, I saw no pimping as you put it.
Shoop05 reply :
Welcome to BR! Im looking forward to your guidance and knowledge!!! I am relatively new to BR myself, but I love being able to talk about anything pertaining to bass fishing at any time of the day!
ClackerBuzz reply :
Quake is spot on. But I don’t blame these guys one bit. Every man needs to do a job to put food on the table. I do think it is disrespectful to come down on quake for voicing his opinion. Acting like 5 guys aren’t suddenly showing up to do product damage control is insulting. They are grown men doing their job. They aren’t made of glass…there is no need to defend them or require members to treat them with kid gloves. Let the conversation run its course. Maybe they will address some of the reviews. I’ve read the ink in the line bleeds. Guys ended up with it in their gear and boat carpet. Maybe that was the 1 or 2nd generation? Also that the heavier line is superior but the 10lb has a tendency to snap in a backlash—so maybe keep it off ur baitcaster’s and on spinning gear only? And yes, welcome to the forums guys. Glad to have ya.
Teal reply :
Super cool to have those guys on here! I love hearing their input and i dont take into account who they are sponsered by because IM GONNA DO MY HOMEWORK AND USE MY OWN GOOD JUDGEMENT ALSO. Id rather hear their input (sponser motivated or not) than most of the guys that hang out at my tackle shop all day.
Im really happy to have Mark, Kevin and all the elite guys here. Their experience on the water can be very valueable in this forum. I appreciate them for posting their opinions.
As to the original post, seaguar has won my trsut so far with their fluoros, so the next time i see some on sale, im will probably try some.
K Hawk reply :
I've been fishing the Kanzen braid a lot since my last post in late Jan and wanted to give you some more feedback on it. I use 15lb and 20lb on all my spinning reels with a fluoro leader for all my drop shot, shaky head and wacky rig presentations. I like the thin diameter and the way it lays and comes off the spool. Knot strength is great too...make sure to use the modified albright knot when joining your leader.
I pitched and flipped a Texas rigged Senko around all week on 60lb at Falcon Lake in March and it performed flawlessly. I was fishing in everything from brush to large diameter hardwood trees and it held up great. I used the same spool all week.
I throw my topwater (buzzbaits and walking baits) on 50lb. I attach a short mono leader when fishing walking baits. Like the smaller tests it casts great. Love the no stretch factor when topwater fishing.
All in all the Kanzen braid is super solid based on my experience with it and I personally wouldn't use it or recommend it to any of you if I didn't feel like it was a high quality braid that you'd like fishing with.
00 mod reply :
Thanks for the updated review Kevin, and please continue to poke your head in here sometimes!
Jeff
roadwarrior reply :
Thanks for the update!
I have two rods ready to go and will be thoroughly testing the Kanzen
for myself this spring and summer. I'm most interested in the casting
performance with 20# spooled on my Pinnacle Optimas XLT/ Perfecta
DHC5.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 4/13/2013 at 1:57 AM, roadwarrior said:Thanks for the update!
I have two rods ready to go and will be thoroughly testing the Kanzen
for myself this spring and summer. I'm most interested in the casting
performance with 20# spooled on my Pinnacle Optimas XLT/ Perfecta
DHC5.
You have any break-offs with #20?
I had a couple with 15# and ripped 15-20 feet of line off then tested the line and only getting 9# max strenght out of this line. Ive tried a number of knots and took off even more line and tried it still not getting over 9#. Wont lift my 12# anchor I have. The knots arent breaking the line is.
Casts great holding color fine just not strong wondering if I got a bad spool 
MrSwimJig reply :
I have been fishing 30lbs on my bait caster fishing swim jigs and have not had any problems with it.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/17/2013 at 3:24 AM, Mr Swim Jig said:I have been fishing 30lbs on my bait caster fishing swim jigs and have not had any problems with it.
Thats good.
I sent Seaguar an email offering to return/exchange my line see what happens.
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