Spinning Rod Line Slap?? 2024
BocaGrande reply :
So I Just got a new spinning rod and paired it with my Shimano Sahara FE 2500, seemed great in the store. The rod is a 6'6ft medium fast, 14lb max line with standard sized fugi guides. (The rod feels like a medium heavy to me)
I've had some trilene 14lb solar line laying around and decided to try it out.. I spooled it up and went to test it in my yard, but when I reel in I hear a slapping sound every couple of turns (not consistent) any ideas??
NJSalt reply :
where is the sound coming from?
The title mentions a rod, but from the post it sounds like it may be coming from the reel?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/5/2015 at 9:58 PM, NJSalt said:where is the sound coming from?
The title mentions a rod, but from the post it sounds like it may be coming from the reel?
I cant pinpoint the exact location of the spund, but it seems to be happening between the first guide and the reel.. which is most likely liNE hitting the rod somewhere, right?
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
There's a couple things at play here I think. 14# mono is stiff for a spinning reel imo. 10 is as high as I'd use on a 2500 size reel and preferably 8<. Second is that the guide train is critical on a spining rod. A stripper that is too close to the reel, too small or too low will all cause the line to back up and slap on the cast and possible retrieve especially if there is not tension on the line. I'd try a lighter line or better yet 15# braid with a leader.
BocaGrande reply :
I just spooled the 2500 reel with 12# fluorocarbon, and put that on my 7ft st croix. Still a lot of line slap. And this rod is rated 7ft medium, 6-12lb, 1/4-5/8oz. Casting a 3/8oz plug to test it... line slapping like crazy
BocaGrande reply :
I have 12# braid I've been wanting to try on a spinning outfit. Do you think this would solve the problem? If not, would the reel be the issue? Because this 2500 reel I have works great with my 6'6ft lite rod with micro guides, perfect together.On 8/6/2015 at 12:46 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:There's a couple things at play here I think. 14# mono is stiff for a spinning reel imo. 10 is as high as I'd use on a 2500 size reel and preferably 8<. Second is that the guide train is critical on a spining rod. A stripper that is too close to the reel, too small or too low will all cause the line to back up and slap on the cast and possible retrieve especially if there is not tension on the line. I'd try a lighter line or better yet 15# braid with a leader.
**edit** sorry for the typos, using my phone. Grammar corrected!**
BocaGrande reply :
will overfilling the spool cause line slap?
Big Bait Fishing reply :
did you spool up the line right ? if spooled wrong , you will have coils through out the line . try the braid , which has no memory (once the waxy coating has wore away ) see if that solves it . the coils will possibly cause line slap . like Mike said , 14 lb. line is awfully big for that size reel , most use 8 lb. max , if you do need stronger line , braid is your best choice used along with a leader of mono or flourocarbon . i would recommend 10-15 lb . that stuff if plenty strong , needing stronger line , you might consider a baitcasting set up
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/6/2015 at 11:44 AM, pgersumky said:did you spool up the line right ? if spooled wrong , you will have coils through out the line . try the braid , which has no memory (once the waxy coating has wore away ) see if that solves it . the coils will possibly cause line slap . like Mike said , 14 lb. line is awfully big for that size reel , most use 8 lb. max , if you do need stronger line , braid is your best choice used along with a leader of mono or flourocarbon . i would recommend 10-15 lb . that stuff if plenty strong , needing stronger line , you might consider a baitcasting set up
I'm well equipped with my baitcasters, haven't touched my spinning outfits in a while. So I bough a new rod and spooled up that 14lb line. That's when the problems occurred. I switched the line to 12lb fluorocarbon, and switched the rods... still line slap.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 8/6/2015 at 12:46 PM, BocaGrande said:I'm well equipped with my baitcasters, haven't touched my spinning outfits in a while. So I bough a new rod and spooled up that 14lb line. That's when the problems occurred. I switched the line to 12lb fluorocarbon, and switched the rods... still line slap.
you got me then , i'm stumped 
SirSnookalot reply :
First thing I would do is test it on the water where you will get a retrieve with constant tension. The line should go thru smooth when kept perfectly straight. In any event IMO 14 or even 12 is too thick for 2500 spinning reel, it is possible the line is not spooled properly, try trolling out then test it.
S Hovanec reply :
Anything over 10# is too heavy or stiff to use on a 2500 reel. If you want to eliminate that, bump up to a 4000......or switch to braid.
BocaGrande reply :
Perhaps it is the line itself. The 12# is quite a this diameter though. I will try a lighter #test
lo n slo reply :
If you must use fluoro, go light. But my favorite is 12 lb Trilene XL mono for my spinning reel.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
check out the post about 15 lb. braid , that's what you need to be doing !!! quit messing with thick mono on that new reel set up you just got , give yourself a break !!!
BocaGrande reply :
For my final attempt I spooled up 8lb copolymer and still have line slap. So looks like the 2600 reel goes back on my 6'6ft lite, and I'll be looking for a 3000 series reel for this rod!
Big Bait Fishing reply :
are your guides possibly bent ??
S Hovanec reply :
A 3000 won't solve that. All a 3000 is is a 2500 with a deeper spool. Sounds like something else is going on here.
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/8/2015 at 8:24 AM, S Hovanec said:A 3000 won't solve that. All a 3000 is is a 2500 with a deeper spool. Sounds like something else is going on here.
Oh man :/ another thing to add is that with the 2500 reel on this rod, the line does not touch the back half of the stripper guide.. meaning when reeling in, the line will turn and only contact the guide at the furthest part FROM the blank..
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/8/2015 at 4:01 AM, pgersumky said:are your guides possibly bent ??
I checked them out before I bought the rod, and again after the slapping occurred. They seem pretty straight to me
SirSnookalot reply :
Rather than racking your brains and coming up with no solution, you may consider starting from scratch with a new rod and reel. This line slapping problem is something I never recalled reading about.
John G reply :
Can you make a video of it with your phone?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/8/2015 at 6:40 PM, John G said:Can you make a video of it with your phone?
I can try! Might take me a bit though
BocaGrande reply :
This just in! I put my president 6920 (tiny lil guy) on my 7ft rod and absolutely zero line slap... maybe I should try out a 1000 series reel for this rod?? Same line as what I tried on my 2500, 6lb co poly
S Hovanec reply :
I can't imagine a 6'6 medium that's not set up properly for an appropriately sized bass reel. Sounds like a poorly designed guide train to me. Care to divulge the brand/model?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/8/2015 at 10:44 PM, S Hovanec said:I can't imagine a 6'6 medium that's not set up properly for an appropriately sized bass reel. Sounds like a poorly designed guide train to me. Care to divulge the brand/model?
It's a 7ft medium fast St croix triumph. I made a post about it to see people's opinions on the rod, then this happened. A 2500 sized reel with 3 different lines is no good.. but a tiny 20 series pflueger president with the same line has no issues...
BocaGrande reply :
Not the orange triumph X, the model before that i guess... just the triumph, black blank cork handel
WRB reply :
Sounds like the first large striper guide could be placed incorrectly or too small in diameter, too close to the rod blank for you reel or the reel seat is misaligned to the guide train. When you put the reel on the rod, look down the guide train using the reel frame post to align the guides by sight, should be in the center if the reel seat is correctly aligned.
When you are mentioning line identify the line by brand and # test, then look up the line diameters.
Your medium rod can't handle more than 5 lbs of drag tension, no reason to use mono or FC line greater than 8 lb test. Also try using a line dressing to lubricate the line, may quite the line slap somewhat.
Otherwise use your smaller size reel on that rod and call it a day.
Tom
PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.
SirSnookalot reply :
If a small trion works fine no reason a standard 2500 bass real shouldn't. Try the reel on another rod, if it's good and I think it will be, just return the existing and get another.
S Hovanec reply :
Don't know what stripper guide they use on that rod, but something is wrong. I use 2500 reels on everything from lite to medium-heavy and never experienced what you describe.
BocaGrande reply :
Okay time to get detailed. I just returned the st croix rod and bought a daiwa lexa rod and STILL getting line slap.. so here are the details:
Spinning Rods;
Field & Stream Tec-Lite
6'6ft Light action
4-8lb line
Micro guides
Shimano sahara 2500 8lb silverline copolymer. NO PROBLEMS
St. Croix Triumph
7ft medium fast action
8-12lb line
Shimano sahara 2500 14lb trilene, 12lb vanish fluoro, 8lb silverline copolymer. LINE SLAP.
JUST PURCHASED-
Daiwa Lexa
7'3ft medium heavy extra fast
8-17lb line
Shimano sahara 2500 8lb silverline copolymer, 10lb I forget the name mono.
LINE SLAP!!!
I'd rather not try a different line. Unspooling and respooling is getting pretty old lol so I guess the problem is my reel? Or am I just choosing incompatible rods
EDIT: for the record, the rod i originally made this post about was a Bimini Bay Outfitters 6'6 Medium and returned it because of the line slap. then bought the st. croix triumph and again line slap. so i returned the triumph and just got the daiwa lexa. the other 6'6 rod i mention is a field & stream tec-lite... this rod i already owned and paired with my sahara 2500 in the beginning, with no issues.
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/9/2015 at 3:13 AM, WRB said:Tom
PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.
WRB reply :
Interesting same specs as their 15 lb Solar now on the web site!On 8/9/2015 at 6:05 AM, BocaGrande said:On 8/9/2015 at 3:13 AM, WRB said:Tom
PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.
Take a look at Sunline Super Natural, $7 a spool, the 25 lb is .016D to give a comparison, the 8 lb is .009D,good line for your spinning reels.
Make sure you are spooling the line correctly; laid flat with label facing up.
Tom
MickD reply :
If the "slap" is on the retrieve you should be able to see it. Things are not happening that fast on retrieve. Retrieve only? WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? EXACTLY, SPECIFICALLY, AND IN DETAIL, WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? Is the line contacting the rod, or is it not? Where is it contacting the rod? You tried it in your yard, but does it do this on the water with tension on the line, or just when the line is not tensioned?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/9/2015 at 9:00 AM, MickD said:If the "slap" is on the retrieve you should be able to see it. Things are not happening that fast on retrieve. Retrieve only? WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? EXACTLY, SPECIFICALLY, AND IN DETAIL, WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? Is the line contacting the rod, or is it not? Where is it contacting the rod? You tried it in your yard, but does it do this on the water with tension on the line, or just when the line is not tensioned?
I haven't tried the new rods on the water yet, but there is plenty of tension during the retrieve in my yard. I see and hear the line slapping the blank between the bail on the reel and the first guide, pretty much center between the 2. The line contacts the blank during a quick retrieve, not Nascar fast, but a steady quick reteieve. Obviously if I retrieve slowly the line won't hit.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
i'm wondering if your reel stem is bent , making the spool face lean towards the rod , causing the line hitting the blank.
Jon G reply :
So I'm a little confused. Is it occurring with one of your spinning reels or multiple? Are you positive you spooled your line correctly?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/9/2015 at 11:08 AM, Jon G said:So I'm a little confused. Is it occurring with one of your spinning reels or multiple? Are you positive you spooled your line correctly?
1 reel, multiple rods. 1 shimano sahara 2500 reel with different lines on different rods. and yes, i know this is getting confusing lol
BocaGrande reply :
im pretty sure i spooled my reel correctly.. the only thing i can think of now is maybe OVER spooling or UNDER spooling.. too much or too little line.. but perhaps it could be the "Choking Point" on the rod? I read that to measure where the choking point on the rod is, you have to take the spool off and line up the reel stem or axle with a straight line (door, floorboards, table edge etc.) and wherever the rod/guides intersect on that line is the "choking point".. and with this reel its at the first guide.......
Jon G reply :
The only thing I've noticed from one of your posts is you said you do not have issues with the rod with micro guides. Micro guides are made to prevent line from "slapping" which allows for a further cast due to the line projecting forward in a straight path
Is it possible that the line is "slapping" the guides on the non micro guide rods creating a noise that you are not used to yet?
SirSnookalot reply :
This is a problem that is not too common, you experimented and still no solution. A spinning reel on a spinning rod is as uncomplicated as it gets. On line diagnosis is difficult and confusing with out some one actually seeing what's going one. Return both rod and reel if you can and start from scratch, I don't believe brand or models of equipment or line type have any thing to do with this. As they say "it's just one of those things".................move on.
VolFan reply :
Is the reel above or below the rod?
S Hovanec reply :
On 8/9/2015 at 7:41 PM, VolFan said:Is the reel above or below the rod?
That's some funny stuff right there!
MickD reply :
Regarding the choke point of the guides, that's not it. The choke point on some guide systems is where you place the first running guide (the small ones, all the same size, from there to the tiptop), and usually there are three reduction guides closer to the reel.
I'll bet that when you get the outfit on the water you'll find everything is cool. You don't mention a casting problem, and if the stem were bent, pointing the spool shaft up, I would expect a casting problem. I think you have some stiff, heavy line that when reeled quickly onto the spool, hits the rod due to centrifugal force. Put some 8 pound fresh line on it, and take to the water, cast some lures, and see if you still have a problem.
I was watching my 2500 Symetre wrap line onto the spool this morning, 15 pound braid, and it goes right on in a straight line from the guide to the reel.
I guess there are three dimensions that might be of interest. Measure the diameter of the first guide's ring, to the outer diameter, not the inner diameter, measure the height of the guide from the blank, to the outer diameter, and measure the distance from the center of the spool drag adjuster to the first guide ring.
I didn't see an answer to the question about the reel being under the rod. Please don't be insulted, but some people do reel conventional spinning reels with the reel on top. It makes it really difficult, but some do it.
VolFan reply :
Assuming the reel is installed correctly, some sort of force would cause the line to hit the rod. Centrifugal force makes the most sense if he's reeling line with no lure attached, especially the higher lb test mono he says he's using. The other real option is gravity, if he has everything upside down.
BocaGrande reply :
My reel is properly set up no worries. My go to line is 8lb silverline copolymer, but NOW I'm just using my backing because I'm tired of respooling. It's 10lb trilene as my backing, but I tried that line out too.. still slappin
VolFan reply :
Can you do pics or a video of it?
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/10/2015 at 9:01 AM, VolFan said:Can you do pics or a video of it?
I can bit is going to take me a while. I'm on vacation and my spinning outfits are home :/
BocaGrande reply :
On 8/10/2015 at 9:01 AM, VolFan said:Can you do pics or a video of it?
I can but is going to take me a while. I'm on vacation and my spinning outfits are home :/
Big Bait Fishing reply :
aw come on , i was hoping that you got fed up with that reel and threw it in the lake 
SirSnookalot reply :
Don't know what the problem is. I have never seen with dozens and dozens of spinning outfits line jumping up hitting the rod shaft. Started off with 14#, if anything would be a coiling problem. Even if it is doing this, do you know it's hurting performance, you haven't landed a fish or even used it to fish with. Test it in real time, you may not even have a problem.
ChrisD46 reply :
Woah ! - 12lb. FC is too big to spool on a 2500 series reel and will spring off making the line hard to control ... You need to keep the FC line to 8lb. or lessOn 8/6/2015 at 6:10 AM, BocaGrande said:I just spooled the 2500 reel with 12# fluorocarbon, and put that on my 7ft st croix. Still a lot of line slap. And this rod is rated 7ft medium, 6-12lb, 1/4-5/8oz. Casting a 3/8oz plug to test it... line slapping like crazy
WRB reply :
If I understand your line slap occurs reeling in line, not casting out and this occurs while testing dry, not actually fishing in water.
I wouldn't be concerned. Spool the smaller diameter 8 lb line and go fishing. Wet line behaves differently than dry line, that is one reason a line conditioner is important.
Tom
FinCulture reply :
Braid does wonders if you haven't tried it yet. Thick mono does not get along well with your average spinning reel, and going over the recommendation can lead to tons of problems!
poisonokie reply :
use braid and don't rapidly reel slack line. You just went from a line that was too heavy to one that is too stiff. Remember line twist doesn't affect braid and neither does line slap, frankly. Sometimes I get that when reeling quickly to take up slack caused by the wind and I don't have any line mgmt issues as a result.
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