Need A Sensitive Mh Rod To Throw Down To 1/4Oz 2024
ccr425 reply :
Ordered a 2015 Aldebaron to throw lighter t rigs, jigs, and weightless plastics. I'll probably never go under 1/4oz. I'm usually fishing around lilly pads or dollar bonnets and hydrilla. I already own a few of the MB xx rods and would like to keep this rod in the same series, but don't think its possible. I've been looking at the Kistler Helium 3 and Z Bone(medium/fast) rods as well as Loomis, St. Croix, and others. Need it to be sensitive and must balance with the Aldebaron. Was also thinking of having a custom rod built. Decisions.......
Hogsticker reply :
My vote goes to custom! Especially for balance purposes with that new oober light reel. How long of a stick are you after? Or maybe wait for the new 13 Archangel to hit the shelves. That would be a sick combo!
roadwarrior reply :
Mike at DVT built a rod for me last year. Give him a call and discuss
what it is you are looking for in the new rod. He will work with your
budget or offer suggestions for the ultimate rod.
http://www.delawarevalleytackle.com/
ccr425 reply :
I was thinking 6'6"-7'0". Custom would be more of a last resort for me because of the usual wait. I really want this combo ready to fish in a week or two.On 3/2/2015 at 2:12 PM, Hogsticker said:My vote goes to custom! Especially for balance purposes with that new oober light reel. How long of a stick are you after? Or maybe wait for the new 13 Archangel to hit the shelves. That would be a sick combo!
Master Bait'r reply :
13 *** black.
If it fits your hand you will not find more rod for the price. Ti recoils, ultra light blanks with tons of backbone and a nice springy tip section that let's you feel and cast baits all the way to the bottom of their rating. Very versatile rods for sure.
WdyCrankbait reply :
Another vote for going through Mike @ DVT. He is the man!
kschultz76 reply :
On 3/2/2015 at 1:20 PM, ccr425 said:Ordered a 2015 Aldebaron to throw lighter t rigs, jigs, and weightless plastics. I'll probably never go under 1/4oz. I'm usually fishing around lilly pads or dollar bonnets and hydrilla. I already own a few of the MB xx rods and would like to keep this rod in the same series, but don't think its possible. I've been looking at the Kistler Helium 3 and Z Bone(medium/fast) rods as well as Loomis, St. Croix, and others. Need it to be sensitive and must balance with the Aldebaron. Was also thinking of having a custom rod built. Decisions.......
What Orochi XX do you already own? Are you talking 1/4 oz total weight, or 1/4 oz jig plus trailer?
fisherrw reply :
Phenix m1s are the best the 7'2 MH is a sweet rod for what your talking about.
tomustang reply :
With 1/4oz I use a medium, under MH's I generally dont go under 3/8oz.
Are you set on a MH for the lighter stuff?
ccr425 reply :
I'd like to be able to throw 1/4 oz baits, period. I'm not dead set on a medium heavy rod, I just know eventually a medium rod will be overpowered by the type of cover in my area. The Orochi XX rods I have are the Extreme Mission Type F, Tour Versatile, and the Perfect Pitch. I will soon own the Diablo Type R as well. I really enjoy the Orochi XX line of rods.
DelcoSol reply :
With the new aldebaran it's going to be hard to find a stock rod to balanceMy 803 NRX which is a very light rod needs around 6oz or so to have it where I like it. If not custom you're going to need something in the 6' length range thats light. It's cool how light the reel is but I feel that it's almost getting out of hand with how light they are for balance reasons. Maybe try to find a used Cumulus?
ccr425 reply :
I agree with you on the weight topic. I've been having wrist issues lately and wanted to try the lightest reel I could find. I'm loving my Metaniums, but wanted to go even lighter. I was having lots of trouble with choosing the best rod for my situation and was hoping someone could get me into a production rod with this thread.On 3/3/2015 at 7:44 AM, DelcoSol said:With the new aldebaran it's going to be hard to find a stock rod to balanceMy 803 NRX which is a very light rod needs around 6oz or so to have it where I like it. If not custom you're going to need something in the 6' length range thats light. It's cool how light the reel is but I feel that it's almost getting out of hand with how light they are for balance reasons. Maybe try to find a used Cumulus?
rippin-lips reply :
There are a lot of very lightweight production rods that will keep the weight of your combo down. However the balance may be off to you. I'm not sure what your preference is there. Look at some of the rods from Dobyns in the champion and extreme series.
ccr425 reply :
I'm not super picky about balance. I just know my 3 favorite rigs feel so much better than a friends. I can tell the most difference between our frog setups. I use a Perfect Pitch/Curado I and he uses a Skeet Reese 7'6" flipping stick/Curado G. That rod weighs a ton and takes so much effort to cast and work. I was looking at the Kistler Z Bones and saw the 6'9" 3 power mh/f listed at 3.5 oz and is rated for 1/8 oz-3/4 oz. Unfortunately it's out of stock.
masterbass reply :
Doesn't your emtf work for you?
ccr425 reply :
It works great! But I use it for 5-6" Senkos and medium sized t rigs in mostly open water. It's 7'5", so it's not exactly ideal for throwing sidearm under branches, etc....
bass1980 reply :
I would suggest trying to find a Shimano Cumulus 6'10 MH. I have that rod and it's nice. It's not really a MH, more like a Medium but has the backbone also. It is super light but I wouldn't say it's a super balance rod Though but it's so light you don't really care. The rod is around 3.5 oz, just don't remember the exact weight.
My guess is this rod with the 15 Aldebaran it'll be so light that even though it's not the best balancing rod you wouldn't even care. Sorry not selling my rod 
new2BC4bass reply :
On 3/3/2015 at 6:45 AM, tomustang said:With 1/4oz I use a medium, under MH's I generally dont go under 3/8oz.
Are you set on a MH for the lighter stuff?
Yeah, but you only fish St. Croix, so maybe another brand MH could handle 1/4 oz. okay. I hear Bucoo rods fish light. I've got a 7'6" MHF Villain rated down to 3/8 oz. and I don't even like going down to 1/2 oz. on it.
OP sorry but I got no help. You are talking rods way above my price range.
kschultz76 reply :
On the Orochi XX front you've got a great selection, I'm looking forward to adding a Perfect Pitch one day. While I have practiced pitching a 1/4 oz practice plug on my Diablo Spec R paired with a Met and it worked I'm not sure it would cast that weight well. In the XX line you're only casting rod option that is solidly down to 1/4 oz tw is the Jerkbait Special. I just got one at Christmas time, and it's actually a really versatile stick. I have only fished it twice but think I'm gonna love it for a Jerkbait and top water stick. Surprisingly though it actually fishes a 3/16 oz finish jig with small trailer pretty well. I was able to set the hook just fine and work the jig along a rocky dam. Now if this is strictly a bottom contact fixed hook rod it likely wouldn't be your first pick. I'd suggest you call Gary at the Tackle Trap for addl input on any MB options, night be something in the X4 lineup. I also have a Spinnerbait Special but never tried it down to 1/4 oz.
If you like the JDM look you might consider the new Shimano Zodias, early reports are good and I think they have some Med and Med light powers in casting sticks.
I can also recommend a St Croix in the 6'8" M/XF model of your choosing. I have the LTB in this taper and was called the "top water/flick shake rod". It handles top water nicely but also all kinds of plastics and light jigs. It's a nice length for working close to cover and the tip action I find great for under roll casts and pitches. I think this version is available as a LTB or Leg Extreme. My LTB balances great with a 6.5 oz reel and is very comfortable. I have the older version with the eCS reel seat.
You could also look at the 7'1" MH/XF versions as well, bit more power but really well reviewed by others, rated 1/4-3/4. I've never used one but TackleTour did a review of the Leg Extreme version last year.
Good luck and update us on how it works out.
kickerfish1 reply :
On 3/3/2015 at 10:20 AM, bass1980 said:I would suggest trying to find a Shimano Cumulus 6'10 MH. I have that rod and it's nice. It's not really a MH, more like a Medium but has the backbone also. It is super light but I wouldn't say it's a super balance rod Though but it's so light you don't really care. The rod is around 3.5 oz, just don't remember the exact weight.
My guess is this rod with the 15 Aldebaran it'll be so light that even though it's not the best balancing rod you wouldn't even care. Sorry not selling my rod
I have the Cumulus rod noted above. The rod weight is around 3 ounces. Literally one of the lightest rods of its time and today for that matter. Take the same rod today and strip the guides off it and use smaller and lighter guides and it would be even more sensitive and better balanced and probably a few grams lighter. It's a specialty rod that if you fish cover it wouldn't be the most ideal rod.
I am not really sure which direction to steer the OP. Rod length, weights of baits being thrown, and price point should have more options but they arent jumping out...
Gary at the Tackletrap would be my source if I was buying Megabass rods.
bass1980 reply :
Scratch what I recommended. I didn't read it throughly with Lilly pads and cover. I was just seeing 1/4 oz lol. It's going to be a tough one if you're picky with balance. Also fishing cover like that majority of the rods with power will make casting accuracy poor.
ccr425 reply :
I'm really starting to lean towards the Kistler Z Bone 7'0" mh/fast. Weighs 3.6oz and is rated for 1/8-3/4oz. Seems look a really good bottom contact/jack of all trades rod. What do y'all think? Should I go with a medium? My brain is hurting......
Hogsticker reply :
If you're gonna go Z Bone consider the custom route. Fuji titanium alconites shouldn't set you back to much and will keep the weight down. I still suggest custom. The wait will be worth the trade off for balance. Just fish the reel on a stick you already have in the meantime. Keep the thread and deco to an absolute minimum. Use guides that are only big enough to pass a leader knot through. Shop blanks and look at the weights. The new Shimano Zodias may be an option
SenkoGuru reply :
I own the Orochi xx EMTF and I own the Kistler Z bone 3LE 7'3 MH and I can tell you the Z Bone IS the rod you are looking for. I also love my Megabass but the Z Bone is more sensitive. It is more of a plain Jane type rod, the Orochi looks a lot better and has better components but it isn't as sensitive. The Z bone is a 46 Ton NFC blank and those NFC blanks are no joke at all. You could go custom Z Bone but you're in for a long wait but the 2014 Z Bones have been phased out and the 2015 one's are coming in so if you do not have a place to buy local like I did then you may be in for a long wait on a Z Bone any way. If buying from Kistler, I would also call and make sure which NFC blank they are using on the rod I wanted. Good luck.
Also, I would stay far away from Dobyn's I'm not sure if you have any Experience with Dobyn's but their DX is a joke if you compare it to a Z bone and laughable when compaired to the Megabass. It is not worth what they are asking for it IMO.
Ozark_Basser reply :
^^^this or get mike from DVT to make you a custom out of NFC's 705 HM. Its the same blank as the older MB 843 IMX.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Toss out labels like M / MH etc. They're subjective and don't mean much in the big picture. If you're casting short to targets in heavy cover a rod rated for 1/4-3/4 or so should work fine. If you want to cast small jigs and plastics some distance, a rod with a lower lure weight range surrounding 1/4 will likely load and cast better. A number of modern blanks combine the tip to cast well with impressive power in the butt to fight fish. If you fully palm your reel, it's sitting right at the fulcrum point and should have very minimal affect on feel / balance except for in overall weight.
ibobpeb reply :
Dobyns Champion 702C or 703C.
Fits all your criteria:
7 feet.
Perfect for 1/4 oz baits.
Most balanced rods I ever used.
Will cost you $250 though. I got mine for $180 at a fishing convention. Bargain with the vendors they'll take up to 30%-40% off.
rippin-lips reply :
^^^ you'd fish a 2 power Dobyns in lilly pads?
ibobpeb reply :
On 3/4/2015 at 5:05 AM, rippin-lips said:^^^ you'd fish a 2 power Dobyns in lilly pads?
On 3/4/2015 at 5:05 AM, rippin-lips said:^^^ you'd fish a 2 power Dobyns in lilly pads?
Haha guess I missed that part! I'd go about 3 or 4 power w/lilly pads. He could go with a true MH (5 power) BUT it's not gonna cast those light baits very good.
Arv reply :
Of the rods I've used I would recommend the DX 744. All the Dobyns rods I have balance/balanced well with any reel I put on them. The 4 power in the DX line up is exremely versatile IMO. I was able to throw weightless stickworms and threw a lot of 1/4oz t rigs and jigs + trailer with this rod, but could handle up to 3/4oz jigs in open water comfortably for me. It also has enough meat to get fish out of some thicker stuff if you run into it.
ccr425 reply :
Thank y'all for all of the info and suggestions. I'm picking the reel up tomorrow morning and I found a rod that I haven't used in a while to try it out on. It's a Shimano Crucial 7'2" mh/ef 1/4-1/2oz. It weighs about 4 1/4oz. Should give me a baseline. Keep the suggestions rolling in!!
ccr425 reply :
Had a chance to mount the Aldebaron on a 803c NRX rod today and thought it felt pretty good. The shop offered me a good deal on the rod, but I held off for now. Talking with a rod builder about a K2 build. It's gonna cost me.........
ccr425 reply :
Finally made a decision on the rod. Just ordered a custom 6'8" Phenix K2. I'm really excited!
kschultz76 reply :
On 3/9/2015 at 9:05 AM, ccr425 said:Finally made a decision on the rod. Just ordered a custom 6'8" Phenix K2. I'm really excited!
Be sure to post back and tell us all about how the build turns out!
S Hovanec reply :
Rodgeeks C473MHXS is rated for 1/4-3/4. Its the only MH blank I've ever seen rated down to 1/4. I just got one in yesterday. Haven't had a chance to play with it much, but it has a very soft tip for MH and gets to the backbone pretty fast. Might be what you're looking for.
rippin-lips reply :
On 3/9/2015 at 9:41 AM, S Hovanec said:Rodgeeks C473MHXS is rated for 1/4-3/4. Its the only MH blank I've ever seen rated down to 1/4. I just got one in yesterday. Haven't had a chance to play with it much, but it has a very soft tip for MH and gets to the backbone pretty fast. Might be what you're looking for.
Just about every MH is rated 1/4-3/4
S Hovanec reply :
On 3/9/2015 at 10:03 AM, rippin-lips said:Just about every MH is rated 1/4-3/4
Really? Any I'm familiar with are rated at 3/8 on the bottom end and do a poor job of throwing that. This Rodgeeks is the first one ive felt that might actually be good at throwing lighter stuff.
SenkoGuru reply :
I had to go look and the Rod's I looked at were all listed at 1/4 to 3/4. Very few were not and Powell Max 3d even had a few Heavy action listed at 1/4 to 1 Oz.
ccr425 reply :
The K2 blank I chose is a 6'8" 3 power medium/fast. It'll cast a 3/16oz lure nicely. Going with Fuji Titanium/Torzite semi micro guides and an Alps MVT reel seat. Gonna keep the rest of the build basic, so no extra weight. I want the blank to keep the raw look which should look great with the reel that will call it home. I'll update as soon as I get some pics. Should have it in about 3 weeks.
Ozark_Basser reply :
I ordered the alps mvt toray reel seat for my build as well with semi micro guides. The graphite on your reel seat is from the same company who makes the graphite for k2 blanks, which is Toray. They are supposed to be some really crisp blanks and top of the line sensitive. Should be perfect for what you plan on using it for. K2's are some pretty blanks that would look good with a carbon fiber handle. Feel free to do a review when you get the rod with some pics ☺On 3/9/2015 at 1:12 PM, ccr425 said:The K2 blank I chose is a 6'8" 3 power medium/fast. It'll cast a 3/16oz lure nicely. Going with Fuji Titanium/Torzite semi micro guides and an Alps MVT reel seat. Gonna keep the rest of the build basic, so no extra weight. I want the blank to keep the raw look which should look great with the reel that will call it home. I'll update as soon as I get some pics. Should have it in about 3 weeks.
kschultz76 reply :
On 3/9/2015 at 1:12 PM, ccr425 said:The K2 blank I chose is a 6'8" 3 power medium/fast. It'll cast a 3/16oz lure nicely. Going with Fuji Titanium/Torzite semi micro guides and an Alps MVT reel seat. Gonna keep the rest of the build basic, so no extra weight. I want the blank to keep the raw look which should look great with the reel that will call it home. I'll update as soon as I get some pics. Should have it in about 3 weeks.
Awesome, interested in that same reel seat myself. Will be very interested to hear about the whole build and how comfortable that reel seat is.
Hogsticker reply :
On 3/9/2015 at 1:12 PM, ccr425 said:The K2 blank I chose is a 6'8" 3 power medium/fast. It'll cast a 3/16oz lure nicely. Going with Fuji Titanium/Torzite semi micro guides and an Alps MVT reel seat. Gonna keep the rest of the build basic, so no extra weight. I want the blank to keep the raw look which should look great with the reel that will call it home. I'll update as soon as I get some pics. Should have it in about 3 weeks.
That should set ya back a pretty penny! Money well spent!! What are you doing for the handle?
ccr425 reply :
For sure!On 3/9/2015 at 3:18 PM, Jiggin said:I ordered the alps mvt toray reel seat for my build as well with semi micro guides. The graphite on your reel seat is from the same company who makes the graphite for k2 blanks, which is Toray. They are supposed to be some really crisp blanks and top of the line sensitive. Should be perfect for what you plan on using it for. K2's are some pretty blanks that would look good with a carbon fiber handle. Feel free to do a review when you get the rod with some pics ☺
ccr425 reply :
Still getting ideas. Will be cork for sure. Probably just a a mixture of light and dark rings.On 3/9/2015 at 9:16 PM, Hogsticker said:That should set ya back a pretty penny! Money well spent!! What are you doing for the handle?
ccr425 reply :
Just changed from the 683ml blank to the 684mh blank. I fish around vegetation pretty much wherever I fish, so I went with a little more backbone versus the 683ml. It should suit me well!
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