Insides Of A Curado 50E 2024
BASSclary reply :
Tore this baby open and am waiting for the bearing to finish their bathies. Just thought I would let you know this thing stock the gears and drag were pretty nasty new. Gave em a nice clean, will be great when I get em back in! Nice and polished. Also, debating whether to use the shimano oil, or Reel Butter, hmmm. I'll try shimano's oil. Also was a little disappointed with all the plastic on the inside. Price you pay for weight savings I guess. Alot of grease in standard oil places too. I'd highly reccommend a professional clean and lube, it a little sluggish out of box, but then got alot better after 20 or so crank and free spools. I'll give an update once it's back together to compare performance.
new2BC4bass reply :
I have no idea how mine performed out-of-the-box. It was cleaned by DVT before seeing any use. Reel is still noisy on the cast, but that seems to be normal from what I've read about this reel. Doesn't appear to hurt performance. Impressed me. 
jeb2 reply :
Yeah, the 50's are really over lubed from the factory. I put Orange Seals in mine on day one, but we just cleaned the bearings in my buddies 50E. They were full of grease! Never seen that before. Usually they just oil them. Took a lot of cleaning, but we finally got them rolling good. Great little reels once they're all setup. Very little performance difference - if any - between it and my Core 50 (also has Orange Seals).
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Do you plan to take out the antireverse pawl?
BASSclary reply :
On 1/7/2012 at 11:06 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Do you plan to take out the antireverse pawl?
Yeah, I took it out and just put it in the spare weights bag for later use if needed. So far, it feels noticeably smoother without it in there when free reeling, however it won't affect the casting distance.
tomustang reply :
I was debating to take mine out but I consider myself one of the lucky guys that got a quiet 51
BASSclary reply :
Just got it back together. Here's some of the data I collected using a stop-watch, obviously not exact, but the results tell the tale.
All these tests were done with zero brakes and just enough spool tension to keep the spool from any horizontal movement.
Edit: Also the tests were done without line on the spool, thus less mass and it starts/stops faster. I put 6# flouro on it afterwards and that ish goes forever.
Free spool stock (In seconds):
7.4
7.3
7.8
7.4
~7.475
Free spool cleaned and lubed (In seconds):
10.3
10.5
10.0
11.1
~10.475
3 seconds gained in free spool, which it decent IMO.
Also, If you had the occasional Curado problem of turning the handle and feeling a little harder to turn, then fully engage the spool, I put just a bit of grease on the pinion gear, (Where it grabs the spool pin) and has solved the problem after 50 or so trys, didn't happen once.
BASSclary reply :
On 1/7/2012 at 11:23 AM, Tom D. said:I was debating to take mine out but I consider myself one of the lucky guys that got a quiet 51
Yeah, I feel blessed my 50e is almost silent and smooth as grease on glass. Now it's even better with the anti-reverse pawl out.
baluga reply :
Try using TSi301 oil and you'll be amazed how the free spool duration would stay even after using the reel for more than six months. It would spin like you just had it flushed/cleaned and oiled the spool bearings.
.RM. reply :
Why?????????On 1/7/2012 at 11:06 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Do you plan to take out the antireverse pawl?
You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.
If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.
Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason..... 
Gone_Phishin reply :
On 1/7/2012 at 10:15 PM, .RM. said:Why?????????
You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.
If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.
Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason.....
I'm pretty slow when it comes to working on reels. 
What is the benefit of removing this?
BASSclary reply :
On 1/7/2012 at 10:15 PM, .RM. said:Why?????????
You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.
If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.
Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason.....
It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.
Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.
Gone_Phishin reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 1:13 AM, BASSclary said:It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.
Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.
10-4, thanks.
.RM. reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 1:13 AM, BASSclary said:It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.
Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.
Reason it is a little rougher with a clicking noise is because it is adjusted/lubricated WRONG when serviced.
Yes it is needed..
I have pictures I have posted here that show the AR innersleave cracked causing AR failure, just from over adjusting Drags, and hooksetting on hard structure.
I have pics of blown out AR bearing packs were the pins literally fall out of the bearing causing AR failures, from tight drags, super hooksets, etc..
So adjusted and lubricated the right way and you don't even know it is there.......
So yes Shimano wouldn't put one there if it wasn't needed... 
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/7/2012 at 11:22 AM, BASSclary said:Yeah, I took it out and just put it in the spare weights bag for later use if needed. So far, it feels noticeably smoother without it in there when free reeling, however it won't affect the casting distance.
Yep I went and took it out does make a difference. Ive read that part can cause issues too so like it helps and it can hurt so I went with the better feel.
Going to call the hobbyshop to check if they have bearings for the bushings in the handle knobs.
new2BC4bass reply :
I don't understand. 
A reel guru tells you what can happen if you leave out the antireverse pawl, yet some of you still insist on leaving it out. I don't have the money to throw away a perectly good reel in the search for a little quieter cast. To each his own. I don't know if removing it would improve performance, and I'm not going to find out. I am happy with the casting distance I am getting as it is. If I want more, I will invest in better bearings. Or a different reel. Never can have too many! 
Packard reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 6:02 AM, new2BC4bass said:I don't understand.
A reel guru tells you what can happen if you leave out the antireverse pawl, yet some of you still insist on leaving it out. I don't have the money to throw away a perectly good reel in the search for a little quieter cast. To each his own. I don't know if removing it would improve performance, and I'm not going to find out. I am happy with the casting distance I am getting as it is. If I want more, I will invest in better bearings. Or a different reel. Never can have too many!
It is unnecessary to have it because that is what the AR bearing is for. If the AR bearing fails then the reel relies on the AR pawl. If the AR fails then you need to get a new one since you don't want to rely on the pawl. You can always put the pawl back in if you want but most companies don't even put one in. Does removing it make it noticably smoother? I can't tell but smoother is smoother.
.RM. reply :
Packard,On 1/9/2012 at 6:17 AM, Packard said:It is unnecessary to have it because that is what the AR bearing is for. If the AR bearing fails then the reel relies on the AR pawl. If the AR fails then you need to get a new one since you don't want to rely on the pawl. You can always put the pawl back in if you want but most companies don't even put one in. Does removing it make it noticably smoother? I can't tell but smoother is smoother.
That is such a foolish statement.....
The AR Pawl is very important as a back up to the OneWay (AR) bearing pack. If the OneWay fails the Pawl is to keep the crank assembly from rotating backwards (on hookset, hard fighting, etc.) and possibly damageing the unternal parts of the reel or anglers cranking hand. The two parts when serviced correctly actually work in conjunction with each other (smoothly), making an AR system that is actually eons better than the other mfgs that you all keep measuring the need for on their reels.
Shimano created the redundant backup for AR' that other mfgs wish they had come up with.
Tight Lines!
The AR Pawl has nothing to do with a reels ability to cast better, it is the industry standard assist to the oneway bearing.
baluga reply :
What R.M. said.
J Francho reply :
Geez, a little grease on part #3483 Anti Reverse Ratchet will eliminate any "not smooth" feelings.
baluga reply :
True that!
aavery2 reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 10:18 PM, .RM. said:Packard,
That is such a foolish statement.....
The AR Pawl is very important as a back up to the OneWay (AR) bearing pack. If the OneWay fails the Pawl is to keep the crank assembly from rotating backwards (on hookset, hard fighting, etc.) and possibly damageing the unternal parts of the reel or anglers cranking hand. The two parts when serviced correctly actually work in conjunction with each other (smoothly), making an AR system that is actually eons better than the other mfgs that you all keep measuring the need for on their reels.
Shimano created the redundant backup for AR' that other mfgs wish they had come up with.
Tight Lines!
The AR Pawl has nothing to do with a reels ability to cast better, it is the industry standard assist to the oneway bearing.
I have an honest question so please don't take it the wrong way. If the AR Pawl is such an important part of the reel operation, then why do the JDM variety of many USDM reel not come with the part installed?
Why do most of the major Mfg's of reels not choose to use this or a version of this component in their reels?
I remove this part from my reels, and have not experienced any ill effects, as a bonus my reel is a little quieter and has less friction on the retrieve.
I do respect your opinon but I say to each his own.
J Francho reply :
QuoteI do respect your opinon but I say to each his own.
You'd have to had seen the devastation an AR bearing failure causes a reel. I had a Zillion that failed on a frog hook set. $90 worth of parts. Zillions don't have that pawl, but to each his own.
deep reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 1:24 AM, J Francho said:You'd have to had seen the devastation an AR bearing failure causes a reel. I had a Zillion that failed on a frog hook set. $90 worth of parts. Zillions don't have that pawl, but to each his own.
Noob question: Why do the Zillions not have that pawl to begin with? I thought Daiwa reels were the real deal, and Shimanos are for beginners? 
:P
J Francho reply :
Only the Cruados have that pawl, the same question could be, "Why do Shimanos need a redundant AR mechanism?"
deep reply :
Told ya it's a noob question. I barely know how to clean and lube my reels, that's why I don't take them apart.
J Francho reply :
Honestly, who knows. Some will say Hyundai's 10 year warranty is strong, others will say it just shows how crappy their cars are. It depends on what side of the fence you're on. I've only seen a few AR failures, and they usually involve a rupture of the sleeve. Once those fragments get into other parts of the reel, that's where the mayhem starts. The redundant AR pawl isn't going to stop that, if it fails that way.
At any rate, you'd be hard pressed to tell if the AR pawl was there or not, when properly set up.
Packard reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 10:18 PM, .RM. said:Packard,
That is such a foolish statement.....
The AR Pawl is very important as a back up to the OneWay (AR) bearing pack. If the OneWay fails the Pawl is to keep the crank assembly from rotating backwards (on hookset, hard fighting, etc.) and possibly damageing the unternal parts of the reel or anglers cranking hand. The two parts when serviced correctly actually work in conjunction with each other (smoothly), making an AR system that is actually eons better than the other mfgs that you all keep measuring the need for on their reels.
Shimano created the redundant backup for AR' that other mfgs wish they had come up with.
Tight Lines!
The AR Pawl has nothing to do with a reels ability to cast better, it is the industry standard assist to the oneway bearing.
No need to say rude things to me. It isn't a necessary piece and most reels don't have it. I have only took it out of one of my reels and that was because I couldn't get it to fit right after it fell out. 
I was just discussing the topic so no need to make it a personal matter.
J Francho reply :
QuoteIt isn't a necessary piece and most reels don't have it.
It's there because Shimano believes that US users are harder on their hooksets, hard enough to warrant the redundant AR mechanism.
John G reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 3:59 AM, J Francho said:It's there because Shimano believes that US users are harder on their hooksets, hard enough to warrant the redundant AR mechanism.
Harder on hooksets with just Curado's?On 1/10/2012 at 1:36 AM, J Francho said:Only the Cruados have that pawl, the same question could be, "Why do Shimanos need a redundant AR mechanism?"
BTW, Where is this pawl? I looked on my 50E schematc and it's #4184 but I can't see a #4184 anywhere.
J Francho reply :
QuoteHarder on hooksets with just Curado's?
Dude, seriously, who knows. That's what the Shimano rep said. It's their leading seller. I mean, you own the reel, and you're ripping me, LOL?
QuoteBTW, Where is this pawl?
baluga reply :
The calcutta's also have the AR pawl, although the conquest doesn't, i wish they have.
I like the AR pawl on my reels specially when I use it for saltwater. I tend to put more oil on the the anti-reverse bearings than I should to protect it from saltwater corrosion. Having more oil it will have it more prone to slipping. The AR pawl will keep it from totally sliding and protect it from messing up the sleeve and the AR bearing at the minimum. Another advantage is when using today's super line/braid where you can put in 50#s on braid on a small reel which is beyond the max of its strength. The only advantage I see in removing the AR pawl is less weight on the reel, although the AR pawl is only a few grams savings.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 1:24 AM, J Francho said:You'd have to had seen the devastation an AR bearing failure causes a reel. I had a Zillion that failed on a frog hook set. $90 worth of parts. Zillions don't have that pawl, but to each his own.
I work on many reels a year for a major reel repair company, I have seen AR bearing fail, most in the way of the cage breaking, roller bearings coming loose or the sleeves cracking or becoming worn and unusable, but I have never witnessed on any model of reel the catastophic failure that you have mentioned. I would like to see it, it may be enough to change to mind.
So whats your thought on why the JDM versions of the same reel are produced without the pawl?
baluga reply :
IMHO, I think JDM is more concern of the total weight of the reel than adding a fail safe parts. One less part can help them get close to their target. A good example is the Calcutta, a USDM 100 GTE weights 9.5 Oz while its JDM counter part Conquest 100 weights 8.0 Oz. By drilling holes and removing the redundant AR part they were able to to cut down on the weight. But who knows, we can only speculate what's their real objective when they left out the AR pawl .
Although you can always add one. 
John G reply :
Thanks! Ripping! LOLOn 1/10/2012 at 5:47 AM, J Francho said:Dude, seriously, who knows. That's what the Shimano rep said. It's their leading seller. I mean, you own the reel, and you're ripping me, LOL?
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I'm with JF and RM on this. Considering all the stuff we buy that isn't "needed" I don't understand the desire to remove something that is a nice little added feature. Any perceptible difference in the feel of a reel with a properly maintained AR pawl is all in mind imo. But, as previously stated, to each his own.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 6:21 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I'm with JF and RM on this. Considering all the stuff we buy that isn't "needed" I don't understand the desire to remove something that is a nice little added feature. Any perceptible difference in the feel of a reel with a properly maintained AR pawl is all in mind imo. But, as previously stated, to each his own.
Mike, I know you work allot of reels, have you ever seen idler gears damaged by the ears of the AR Pawl breaking off? I have never witnessed it myself, but have heard many times of reels that are not maintained and the ratchet becoming dry and wearing through the ears, only to have small pieces of them fall into the idler gears and damage them. Like I said, not a personal observation, just have heard of this occurring.
J Francho reply :
Never seen the ears wear off. And I've dealt with some 20+ year old reels that use the dog and bone AR.
The Zillion is probably an isolated case. Every once in a while I'll see an AR sleeve crack. In this case, the fragments did in the gear end of the worm, main gear, pinion, idler, and bent some of the clutch parts. Obviously, there was some continued reeling after the failure - I mean there was a fish on the end of the line.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 7:06 AM, J Francho said:I mean there was a fish on the end of the line.
A man's gotta have his priorities...
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 6:49 AM, aavery2 said:Mike, I know you work allot of reels, have you ever seen idler gears damaged by the ears of the AR Pawl breaking off? I have never witnessed it myself, but have heard many times of reels that are not maintained and the ratchet becoming dry and wearing through the ears, only to have small pieces of them fall into the idler gears and damage them. Like I said, not a personal observation, just have heard of this occurring.
I've seen some weird stuff but not this one. The most common thing I see with these is them getting bent all out of whack by being mishandled. The caveat of "properly maintained" covers a multitude of sins too.
rubba bubba reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 7:06 AM, J Francho said:In this case, the fragments did in the gear end of the worm, main gear, pinion, idler, and bent some of the clutch parts. Obviously, there was some continued reeling after the failure - I mean there was a fish on the end of the line.
Would the anti-reverse pawl have prevented the substantial damage in this case?
J Francho reply :
Perhaps. The Zillion's AR tube does not have seatment tabs like the Curado either, and that may figure in as well.
The Rooster reply :
This might not even matter, but I read here that the Curado is the only one that has this part. The Citica E also has it.
J Francho reply :
Yep, and so does the Calcutta - I posted without thinking - I am sure there are others in the Shimano line. I thought we were talking about the Zillion and the Curado. Thanks for the correction. 
McAlpine reply :
I'm confused at the issue anyone has with this pawl then. The only reel on JFrancho's list that I have is a Calcutta 200B however; it is smooth like butta. No reason to take anything out. I properly maintain my reels though.....
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