Jumping Ship Sorry Abu 2025
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I own 8 rods spinning and casting combined all Revo SX paired on Veritas I felt for years Abu Garcia was the best company out there and defended it until I was blue in the face. But I was in the market for a new spin and cast combo so I decided to look at other rods and reels while I was at BPS last night and I couldn't believe what I found in Daiwa reels. WOW! Are those reels smooth, I ended up saving cash and buying a Legalis reel and it is heavier than the Revo S spinning reel I was looking at but it is a hell of a lot smoother for a $59.95 to $129.95 comparison. And as for the Casting reel I just loved the Daiwa Lexa 100, again heavier but a lot smoother than the SX) and the Lexa was on sale for $99.99 compared to the $159.99 tag on the SX couldn't beat it. When I get off work I am buying 2 of the Tatula Type-Rs.
As for rods for these reels I had to look at new rods now that I found better (to me) reels. After looking at a few brands I found that the sensitive, action, and power in the Shimano rods are superior to the veritas rods I use. I ended up buying a Clarus spinning rod and Compre casting rod. It seems to me (some one with more knowledge can help me with this) the Clarus is more sensitive than the Compre.
Anyway I have been rambling sorry for such a long post just wanted to let people who are in the market that some products under $100 are comparable if not better than the three digit equipment you really just pay for the name.
.RM. reply :
Jumping Ship Sorry Abu.....You didn't jump ship, actually Abu jumped ship when they went with Pure Fishing.
From Sweedish built and quality, to Chines built with crap.....
Good Luck & Tight Lines! 
Hogsticker reply :
Good choice. Just my 2 cents of course
bigfishbk86 reply :
I will never understand the fascination with abu, especially the rods. I'm just happy most people are coming around and not wasting their hard earned money on these products.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 12/27/2013 at 11:27 PM, bigfishbk86 said:I will never understand the fascination with abu, especially the rods. I'm just happy most people are coming around and not wasting their hard earned money on these products.
I love the Veritas, the stiffness was a plus to me. However I was starting to get a little frustrated with the poor guided build on every rod every rod I own has some kind of guide malfunction weather they are bent when I bought them or have to much epoxy or whatever they use to station their guides.
new2BC4bass reply :
I've read that the Tatula rods are simply amazing at their price point. Might want to try a couple with your Type Rs. 
thehooligan reply :
I was considering one, nice rod for the money...
ColdSVT reply :
Lol...I find the one brand only guys to be funny
I own one Abu, a gen 2 STX. Great reel! so I bought a gen 3 STX and it was great while it worked for those two short weeks
aavery2 reply :
I sure hope the folks over at Pure Fishing will be able to sleep tonight with all this well thought out and highly detailed criticism of the their product. If you don't like their product, why not write to them and let them know your disappointment, see what they can do to make it right. Standing on a soap box on a internet forum that is obviously heavy supported by Shimano Fans only makes it look exactly like that. Choose to do something productive about it.
Drewski73 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 1:53 AM, aavery2 said:I sure hope the folks over at Pure Fishing will be able to sleep tonight with all this well thought out and highly detailed criticism of the their product. If you don't like their product, why not write to them and let them know your disappointment, see what they can do to make it right. Standing on a soap box on a internet forum that is obviously heavy supported by Shimano Fans only makes it look exactly like that. Choose to do something productive about it.
He did the single most productive thing a consumer CAN DO about it. He spent his hard earned dollars elsewhere!
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:07 AM, Drewski73 said:He did the single most productive thing a consumer CAN DO about it. He spent his hard earned dollars elsewhere!
I don't disagree with that, as it is exactly what I would do in the same situation. But not before he spent several hundred dollars on a product that he finds problem with. What if someone had taken the action to actually contact the company and let them know what they are experiencing, maybe something would have actually gotten changed. I guess what I am trying to say is that you can come here and air it out and it just sounds like brand bashing, or you can actually go to the company, spend the same amount of time and help get it fixed.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 1:53 AM, aavery2 said:I sure hope the folks over at Pure Fishing will be able to sleep tonight with all this well thought out and highly detailed criticism of the their product. If you don't like their product, why not write to them and let them know your disappointment, see what they can do to make it right. Standing on a soap box on a internet forum that is obviously heavy supported by Shimano Fans only makes it look exactly like that. Choose to do something productive about it.
I am not bad mouthing Abu Garcia at all I am still a fan the Revo line of reels. My only intentions was to write a post to show that I was brand loyal to Abu. And decided to see what else was out there and found that you can get rods and reels from different manufactures for the same price if not cheaper that performs the same as the high end Abu lines. And as for Shimano I have had three Shimano reels and could not stand them they reeled like s**t and I could hear the hear grinding straight out of the box. I was just trying to help other anglers out there looking for products that don't cost an arm and a leg
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:04 AM, Valley Sports said:Chance,
You didn't mention a rebate? Did they give you the $25.00 rebate card with the Lexa 100? I've got them, for BR members at my everyday price for $106.00 with a $25.00 mail in rebate, offer expires June 2014. I hope you don't pay to much for the Tatula Type R. I have those for $165.00 including shipping anywhere in the lower 48 states.
Ron
http://www.beatthebigboxboys.com/store-categories-Daiwa-Reels_4128061.html
BPS never mentioned the rebated on the Lexa yesterday to me I am going today to get a couple Type-Rs so I will take my receipt in and try to get them to give me the paperwork also if BPS wants more than $165 for the Type-R I will be coming to you
Drewski73 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:15 AM, aavery2 said:I don't disagree with that, as it is exactly what I would do in the same situation. But not before he spent several hundred dollars on a product that he finds problem with. What if someone had taken the action to actually contact the company and let them know what they are experiencing, maybe something would have actually gotten changed. I guess what I am trying to say is that you can come here and air it out and it just sounds like brand bashing, or you can actually go to the company, spend the same amount of time and help get it fixed.
Im not sure he ever had a specific "problem" though, reading his OP. He just compared his brand of choice with an open mind and found it to be of lesser value, or lesser quality than other available brands. I dont disagree with your sentiment, I just dont see that the OP had an issue that customer service could have helped him with. He also mentions more than one other brand that he is replacing his old brand with. I dont see brand bashing at all. Im sure Pure Fishing wishes that all brand bashers had 8 Abu Garcia combos!
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:18 AM, Chance Brown said:I am not bad mouthing Abu Garcia at all I am still a fan the Revo line of reels. My only intentions was to write a post to show that I was brand loyal to Abu. And decided to see what else was out there and found that you can get rods and reels from different manufactures for the same price if not cheaper that performs the same as the high end Abu lines. And as for Shimano I have had three Shimano reels and could not stand them they reeled like s**t and I could hear the hear grinding straight out of the box. I was just trying to help other anglers out there looking for products that don't cost an arm and a leg
I personally did not take it as you were trying to brand bash, but some of the later comments took that type of tone. Every company out there has great products and some that need improvement, I am just advocating contacting whatever company it may be and see what they can do to help, and give them the honest feedback so that they can possibly make corrections.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:21 AM, Drewski73 said:Im not sure he ever had a specific "problem" though, reading his OP. He just compared his brand of choice with an open mind and found it to be of lesser value, or lesser quality than other available brands. I dont disagree with your sentiment, I just dont see that the OP had an issue that customer service could have helped him with. He also mentions more than one other brand that he is replacing his old brand with. I dont see brand bashing at all. Im sure Pure Fishing wishes that all brand bashers had 8 Abu Garcia combos!
As I did not quote the OP, my post was directed more towards the flow of the thread and not so much one individual post. He had expressed that he is an ABU fan, and who better to hear from than someone who actually has used their product and is considering moving on because he has found more value in a similar priced product.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 2:21 AM, Drewski73 said:Im not sure he ever had a specific "problem" though, reading his OP. He just compared his brand of choice with an open mind and found it to be of lesser value, or lesser quality than other available brands. I dont disagree with your sentiment, I just dont see that the OP had an issue that customer service could have helped him with. He also mentions more than one other brand that he is replacing his old brand with. I dont see brand bashing at all. Im sure Pure Fishing wishes that all brand bashers had 8 Abu Garcia combos!
Correct I have no problem with Abu I just feel why should I pay more for a product if I can get the same performances out of another product from a different manufacture for a lesser price. The only problem with Abu I had was with the guides either being bent or over glued. I know this is from the manufacture because I have gotten Veritas from Bass Pro, Wal-Mart online and Tackle Warehouse all the same issues. It didn't cause problems I just bent the guides back if needed. And I will buy more Abu products in the future if it suits my needs just not all my combos are going to be Abu.
Fishwhittler reply :
I own both the Team Daiwa T and the Abu Garcia Vendetta V1, which are at the same price point ($70 - $80). I have to say that the Daiwa rod is built better; the components are aligned better and seem to be a bit better quality, and the overall finish is nicer with fewer flaws. The Vendetta is a decent rod, I'd just rather spend my money on the TDT.
OkobojiEagle reply :
Considering the original poster made his new purchase "last night", I think I'll wait till he has a chance to use his new gear for a while before I put much stock in his product comparison.
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bass1980 reply :
OP what you did was just fine, switch brand. "WE" all have bought products for our daily lives and we all have had bad or not up to par products but 98% of us have never or thought of writing a letter of complaint. A forum is just that, to brag, complain, discuss, debate, and inform on social media.
TNBassin' reply :
I jumped ship from Abu awhile back. And I did give them every opportunity to make things right. Reel after reel failed, or more specifically the braking system and the thumb bars didn't want to reengage on my SX or STX. My S had the constant issue with the brakes. Went Shimano and haven't looked back.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 5:30 AM, TNBassin said:I jumped ship from Abu awhile back. And I did give them every opportunity to make things right. Reel after reel failed, or more specifically the braking system and the thumb bars didn't want to reengage on my SX or STX. My S had the constant issue with the brakes. Went Shimano and haven't looked back.
As I recall you had almost immediate problems with the rod and reel combo that you were using at that time and contacted Shimano about the issue, did they get you a good fix for the problem you were having?
TNBassin' reply :
I Took both Chronarchs to BPS and tried them on a few different Crucials and still had the issue of the side plate not wanting to open easily. It turned out to be the tolerances between the reel body and the side plate evidentally as Rockchalk suggested, as a few outings with the reels the issue went away. Still odd that it only occurred with the chronarch and crucial rods. There was never an instance where anything was technically defective though.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 6:18 AM, TNBassin said:I Took both Chronarchs to BPS and tried them on a few different Crucials and still had the issue of the side plate not wanting to open easily. It turned out to be the tolerances between the reel body and the side plate evidentally as Rockchalk suggested, as a few outings with the reels the issue went away. Still odd that it only occurred with the chronarch and crucial rods. There was never an instance where anything was technically defective though.
Glad it worked out, did you try other Shimano reels when this happened?
TNBassin' reply :
No just the Chronarch. The Chronarch on a Compre rod didn't have any issues. I still think it was the frame of the reel flexing a Tad initially though. The wearing of the tolerances fixed it but still frame flex is what I still think.
aavery2 reply :
I had heard of it happening at least one other time, I don't remember what the combination of rod and reel it was. It was discovered that the reel seat was a little too deep for the reel
foot and when tightened down, created a little flex in the reel frame. I think it was fixed with a shim of some sort.
Grantman83 reply :
I've owned a premier g2 as well as a g2 sx. Both reels worked fine for me. The only issues were that the sx was heavy and was abit finicky on the brake system. The premier was smooth and easy to cast.
Overall, most companies attempt to put out a product they believe in. Abu and pure fishing may get a bad rap sometimes especially when compared to daiwa and shimano, but I feel they are attempting to provide good product at a a good price.
zachb34 reply :
X2On 12/28/2013 at 5:30 AM, TNBassin said:I jumped ship from Abu awhile back. And I did give them every opportunity to make things right. Reel after reel failed, or more specifically the braking system and the thumb bars didn't want to reengage on my SX or STX. My S had the constant issue with the brakes. Went Shimano and haven't looked back.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 6:43 AM, Grantman83 said:I've owned a premier g2 as well as a g2 sx. Both reels worked fine for me. The only issues were that the sx was heavy and was abit finicky on the brake system. The premier was smooth and easy to cast.
Overall, most companies attempt to put out a product they believe in. Abu and pure fishing may get a bad rap sometimes especially when compared to daiwa and shimano, but I feel they are attempting to provide good product at a a good price.
I agree, I don't think that the Gen3 reels have been as popluar as they would have liked, but I have some Gen2 Premiers that are very solid. Most of the big Mfg's know that if they produce a less than quality product they will end up losing ground in the market share area.
ww2farmer reply :
All unwanted Abu Garcia products can be sent to me for proper disposal.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
I wish abu would give up on this whole "lightweight" trend they have been aiming for and just built solid reels like the gen 1 and 2 revo's. The MGX and MGXtreme feel fragile in hand IMO, and the tackletour review shows one basically breaking apart after fishing big lures.
I personally think the gen 3 revo's turned out all wrong. The larger gear is just uncomfortable, and the problems with the "button sticking" are outrageous. I have seen/read of so many cases of the button sticking on the gen 3's, it is just scary. The carbon sideplates feel fragile too. Go back to the aluminum gear sideplate, and have the non handle sideplate be made of carbon.
Sorry for the short rant on the gen 3's.
Teal reply :
Nothing wrong with trying other products. I had a handful of Curados when I tried a Lews Tournament reel. I've been buying Lewd ever since. Now I still love shimano reels and respect them but I felt that Lewd were as good for a lesser cost.
I don't think the OP was bashing
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 8:41 AM, aprw1 said:I wish abu would give up on this whole "lightweight" trend they have been aiming for and just built solid reels like the gen 1 and 2 revo's. The MGX and MGXtreme feel fragile in hand IMO, and the tackletour review shows one basically breaking apart after fishing big lures.
I personally think the gen 3 revo's turned out all wrong. The larger gear is just uncomfortable, and the problems with the "button sticking" are outrageous. I have seen/read of so many cases of the button sticking on the gen 3's, it is just scary. The carbon sideplates feel fragile too. Go back to the aluminum gear sideplate, and have the non handle sideplate be made of carbon.
Sorry for the short rant on the gen 3's.
I think your right, seems to me that the logical progression for the ABU's would have been to use the Gen 2 Premier platform and introduce IVCB type braking. I have one Gen3 Revo, a Winch and I like it, but not enough to get rid of my Gen2 Premiers and go all Gen3 stuff. There were other smaller upgrades they could have done like longer Carbon Fiber handles, more gear ratios and better finish on the reels and in my opinion had a winner.
Jon G reply :
I as well have switched from Abu to Lews the last 2 STX's i bought kept having issues with brakes and with the gears. But since i have switched to Lews i have had no issue. If you ask me there is no better reel in the $200 price point than a Tournament Pro I like shimanos as well and the Chronarch comes close but the smoothness of the Tournament Pro is just unbelivable
Crankinstein reply :
I agree with whoever criticized the one brand guys. You've got to get out and test everyone's products from time to time even if you've been particularly loyal to one for awhile. Afterall the market changes and quality fluctuates among the manufacturers over time just like everything else in the world. As for me personally I have Daiwa, Shimano, Abu Garcia, and Pflueger reels on my deck and I use all of them. There is a lot of great companies making reels and it'd be dumb not to at least stay fresh on what everyone's doing. I recently bought a Daiwa for the first time in 4 years because I was interested in the T wing system and I'm really glad I did, the Tatula type R is now one of my favorite reels. You should always keep an open mind and stay optimistic, tiny tech advances can go a long way in our sport and you don't want to be the guy late to the party. You never know when a company's going to come along and change the game.
bootytrain reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 12:49 PM, Crankinstein said:I agree with whoever criticized the one brand guys. You've got to get out and test everyone's products from time to time even if you've been particularly loyal to one for awhile. Afterall the market changes and quality fluctuates among the manufacturers over time just like everything else in the world. As for me personally I have Daiwa, Shimano, Abu Garcia, and Pflueger reels on my deck and I use all of them. There is a lot of great companies making reels and it'd be dumb not to at least stay fresh on what everyone's doing. I recently bought a Daiwa for the first time in 4 years because I was interested in the T wing system and I'm really glad I did, the Tatula type R is now one of my favorite reels. You should always keep an open mind and stay optimistic, tiny tech advances can go a long way in our sport and you don't want to be the guy late to the party. You never know when a company's going to come along and change the game.
I agree, variety is the spice of life 
For what its worth, my local BPS says the new Revos are their best sellers, and I personally plan on adding a Revo LTZ AE74 and Morrum ZX to the arsenal soon. Do I need them? No, I have a few killer Shimanos that handle everything I throw, but I like to switch things up. Tommorrow Im going to get better acquainted with the new Metanium, and Sunday Ill probably take the Revo Elite IB out.
Loop_Dad reply :
I have been mainly with Shimano both rods and reels. However I also enjoy the variety now.
I had a thread a couple of weeks ago about most sensitive $150 bottom contacting rods which I got lots of member's input. I ended up picking a couple of Fenwicks because of that. I'm glad that I listened to folks.
A couple of opinion on the internet can lead you to wrong place. But when enough people say something is good, especially here in BR, there's usually reason for that. This is my believe.
I recently picked up a couple of Daiwa reels also, Lexa 100 and Tatula. Lexa's is okay, not a bad reel, but not impressed. Tatula is great. Good casting with good break.
By trying variety of brands, I'm more keen to the ability of my equipments.
John G reply :
My Shimano's consist of 3 Calcutta's, 1 Conquest 100 and a Conquest 50 on the way as I type this, 1 Curado 50E and 2 Citica 200E's. I own a Bantam Mag Plus 250SG from the early 80's and I have had the original Curado, the original Citica and a 100, 200 and a 300 D Model Curado. As long as Shimano keeps on making them like the ones that I mentioned, I absolutely couldn't care less what the other guys are making!
aavery2 reply :
On 12/28/2013 at 1:39 PM, bootytrain said:I agree, variety is the spice of life
For what its worth, my local BPS says the new Revos are their best sellers, and I personally plan on adding a Revo LTZ AE74 and Morrum ZX to the arsenal soon. Do I need them? No, I have a few killer Shimanos that handle everything I throw, but I like to switch things up. Tommorrow Im going to get better acquainted with the new Metanium, and Sunday Ill probably take the Revo Elite IB out.
I love the upgrade possibilities that are available for the LTZ, look like a fantastic reel. I love my IB, it is what a Revo should be.
Diggy reply :
I have 2 veritas with a broken guides. Seems like a flaw with the 6ft9, same guide broke. Abu shipped 2 replacements in my requested sizes(7ft heavy and 7ft6mh) and I can get the broken guides replaced for 10 bucks each. Ending up with 4 useable rods with litte to no hassle on customer service keeps me with them. I buy all brands but they always treat me right.
Lewi reply :
Sorry to hear your jumping. I have always had a good product from Abu and others without any issues. I just picked up 2 Veritas rods since the one that I have has been very good to me. I do get that things happen and these forums are the places where we all will place our likes and disikes but I try to remember that we are a few of the many that fish these companies products and there will always be some sort of issue being it a mfgr defect or improper treatment resulting in damage down the road.
Good luck
-Lewi
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I agree Abu has great products but I feel that I am paying for their name and reputation more than the product itself. The Revo S at best is a $100 and the SX a $130. As for rods I love the Villain and probably buy a couple more. However when it comes to the lower end rods (Veritas and Vendetta) they just don't seem to have the same quality. When the first veritas came out they were snapping like crazy now that is fixed but the guides are bad. Every one I have they are bent or over glued. The blanks are great just don't like that for $100 I'm not getting a well crafted rod. With all that said would I buy another Veritas later down the road yes.
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