I need a light finess spinning set up - 350 USD budget 2024
freelancer27 reply :
Hi all,
I have decided that I need to upgrade my spinning gear. Currently I am using a bass pro extreme 7' (where the tip is broken off) with a pflueger 6940X. That combo is heavy and to be honest I do not feel **** with it...
So I am looking for a light, sensitive combo that I can throw ultra finesse lures with (micro jigs, weightless plastics, etc.)
I would really appreciate it, if you could give me some recommendations, since I am totally overwhelmed with the options!
Thank ya much.
Cheers,
Seb.
Darren. reply :
Well, you've got lots of options, obviously, hence the
potential for being overwhelmed.
Here are safe bets with a $350 budget:
Shimano Stradic FK, or CI4+ (I'm a 1000 size guy)
I can attest the Stradic FK is an awesome reel.
As far as rods, for ME, I like shorter and super light
rods. I like the Carbonlite series from Bass Pro.
So that'd put you at the $300 mark with an FK and
Carbonlite, then use the $50 for more micro jigs and
so on 
Or opt for a rod that's $50 more...
Fishinthefish reply :
Stradic fk, dobyns fury. Update road later as needed.
nameiztaken reply :
Stradic.
blckshirt98 reply :
American Legacy has the Stradic FK 1000 size on sale for $139.99. Great deal if a 1000 size reel is what will work on the rod you plan on pairing it with. If you really want ultra-finesse you could pair it up with an UL trout rod, like a Phenix Elixir FX802-1X. I use a similar setup (reel is an older model Fuego 1000) for dropshotting at times and it's a load of fun.
fishnkamp reply :
Take a good look at an Okuma RTX30 reel, it has a nice high gear ratio, is composite so super lite and holds plenty of line. Look at a Dobyns Fury FR 703SF, or Sierra SA693 SF. Another good option is a St Croix Avid X AXS68MXF. All of these rods will work well. I have 3 friends using at least one of each or these combos. I fish with one of these reels on my 6 foot IMX rod from G Loomis.
Darren. reply :
On 3/10/2017 at 5:46 AM, blckshirt98 said:American Legacy has the Stradic FK 1000 size on sale for $139.99. Great deal if a 1000 size reel is what will work on the rod you plan on pairing it with. If you really want ultra-finesse you could pair it up with an UL trout rod, like a Phenix Elixir FX802-1X. I use a similar setup (reel is an older model Fuego 1000) for dropshotting at times and it's a load of fun.
That's a great deal on the 1000FK.
Good find.
WRB reply :
Majorcraft Don Iovino finesse spinning rod $119 with Shimano Ci4+1000 $229 is in your budget and balances good.
Tom
freelancer27 reply :
THanks guys for the thoughts!
Looks like I am not going wrong with the Stradic.
Will check them out in the next tackle store!
Thanks again!
smalljaw67 reply :
I don't know how crucial rod length is for you but I like rods in the 6'8" to 7' range for my finesse spinning applications. That said, American Legacy still has the G.Loomis Bronzeback 811S-SP on sale for $165.75 which will leave you more than enough for a good reel. With spinning I find the rod is more important than the reel and a good rod with a good mid tier reel would work really well. If you stay with American Legacy you can get a Shimano Ultegra for $150 or a Daiwa Procyon for $108, both solid reels and you'll still be in budget with a killer set up. The rod is 6'9" listed as a light power with a fast action but it is really more of a medium light rated 1/8oz to 5/16oz. I have this rod and it is a perfect all purpose finesse stick, it has a really nice tip, soft enough for drop shot fishing but not so soft that it can't be used for other techniques. I've only used mine twice this season, I was fishing 2.75" tubes on a 1/16oz head and I also was throwing 1/8oz hair jigs with it, the sensitivity is excellent the backbone is impressive, it may be worth checking out if the 6'9" length is ok.
roadwarrior reply :
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Id go light $$ on the reel and heavy $$$$ on the rod. President XT 6.6oz $80 and Megabass Orochi XX $275-$285
freelancer27 reply :
After some weeks, I finally had time to go to check some rod and reels out.
I really liked the Phenix M1 Spinning Rod 6'9" Light paired with a Shimano Stradic Ci4+ (1000 series). Would be slightly higher than my budget though (would go for around 400 USD).
Any thoughts on that?
Thanks!
NorcalBassin reply :
If TW has their usual tax stimulus 10% off sale in another week or two that would get you down to $360 if you're set on that combo.
DogBone_384 reply :
I've got the perfect one for you: my 6' 10' ML/F Abu Villain with Pflueger Supreme XT hanging off it... it's at the bottom of Ponkapog pond in Canton, MA.
It's super light, sensitive, and right at your $350 budget. An awesome set up.
I.rar reply :
My go to is a stradic 1000 fk with an avid x ml/f. Absolutely love that combo.
jimmyjoe reply :
If you haven't decided yet, try out the Daiwa Fuego 2000sh. Super smooth and quiet, which is what I want for finesse. Leaves money for a really good 6'9"-or-so extra fast finesse rod. One reason I like the Fuego is that it performs well with either one of the various superlines or regular old monofilament; I have Stren on mine right now, after having AN40 and Trilene XL. When looking for a rod, decide whether you're going to use a superline/leader setup. If you are, check that the guides pass leader knots easily. I learned that lesson the hard way. 
jj
kschultz76 reply :
Many good suggestions have been made. Certainly can't go wrong with a St Croix or a Loomis. However for your budget and the light line sensitivity you're looking for I'd look at the Kistler Helium 3 series in either ML or M power, and wait till they have a sale on their website. When they have a sale you can get the HE3 around $225 if they do 15% off.
Then I'd spend the rest of my budget on whatever Shimano spinning reel I could find in the size and price on sale fit my budget. In order of preference I'd go stradic CI4+, Stradic FK, then Ultegra. In my personal use Shimanos line management in spinning reels has really cut down on line twist and tangles.
freelancer27 reply :
Thanks guys!
When I looked at the Phenix / Shimano combo yesterday, it felt very nice and balanced, though I am not aware of a method to test the sensitivity of a set up in the store...
That having said, I would say my 'most sensitive' rod is a St.Croix Avid X. To be honest, I have never been blown away by the rod's sensitivity. Never had this feeling that I would be able to really feel the fish.
With the Spinning gear set up, I want to change that! So, if that means I have to save up a little bit longer and put another 100 USD on top of my budget, so be it.
I really want to be blown away by the sensitivity of the combo.
Thanks again for your help!!!
smalljaw67 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 1:03 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks guys!
When I looked at the Phenix / Shimano combo yesterday, it felt very nice and balanced, though I am not aware of a method to test the sensitivity of a set up in the store...
That having said, I would say my 'most sensitive' rod is a St.Croix Avid X. To be honest, I have never been blown away by the rod's sensitivity. Never had this feeling that I would be able to really feel the fish.
With the Spinning gear set up, I want to change that! So, if that means I have to save up a little bit longer and put another 100 USD on top of my budget, so be it.
I really want to be blown away by the sensitivity of the combo.
Thanks again for your help!!!
What exactly are you looking to feel?? I ask that because you may be reading into a lot of hype when it comes to sensitivity. I've been bass fishing for more than 30 years and I've had the opportunity to fish a lot of rods the difference between high end rods and good mid tier rod when it comes to sensitivity is noticeable but not mind blowing. The biggest difference I feel when fishing a GLX compared to say an IMX isn't what I can feel, it is the way it feels, when I drag a jig across the bottom and it goes from a hard bottom to soft bottom, I can feel it with both rods, the GLX I can tell a little faster than the IMX. If you have a St. Croix Avid X I fear you won't be "blown away" by any rod in your budget or even close to your budget, as I said, you'll feel the same stuff, the difference will be the more sensitive rod you may be able to tell whether your bait is hitting rock or wood right away once you get use to it. Now line choice helps, braid will make any rod more sensitive, but the part I'm trying to emphasize is that you are fishing with decent stuff already, if you were using an Ugly Stick or a Cherrywood then I'd say you might be blown away by the sensitivity of a better rod but while there is a difference from say a St.Croix Avid X to a St. Croix Legend elite, it isn't as stark as you might think, it is a crisper feel but you won't feel like you are feeling things you never felt before, it is just a little more crisp and I'm not saying this to discourage you, I'm just trying to keep you from expecting too much and being disappointed, my buddy went from the IMX to a GLX and expected it to be awesome and while he loved the rod his one remark was that it wasn't too much different from what he was using, so understand that the rod may be more sensitive but don't expect to be blown away.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 1:27 AM, smalljaw67 said:
What exactly are you looking to feel?? I ask that because you may be reading into a lot of hype when it comes to sensitivity. I've been bass fishing for more than 30 years and I've had the opportunity to fish a lot of rods the difference between high end rods and good mid tier rod when it comes to sensitivity is noticeable but not mind blowing. The biggest difference I feel when fishing a GLX compared to say an IMX isn't what I can feel, it is the way it feels, when I drag a jig across the bottom and it goes from a hard bottom to soft bottom, I can feel it with both rods, the GLX I can tell a little faster than the IMX. If you have a St. Croix Avid X I fear you won't be "blown away" by any rod in your budget or even close to your budget, as I said, you'll feel the same stuff, the difference will be the more sensitive rod you may be able to tell whether your bait is hitting rock or wood right away once you get use to it. Now line choice helps, braid will make any rod more sensitive, but the part I'm trying to emphasize is that you are fishing with decent stuff already, if you were using an Ugly Stick or a Cherrywood then I'd say you might be blown away by the sensitivity of a better rod but while there is a difference from say a St.Croix Avid X to a St. Croix Legend elite, it isn't as stark as you might think, it is a crisper feel but you won't feel like you are feeling things you never felt before, it is just a little more crisp and I'm not saying this to discourage you, I'm just trying to keep you from expecting too much and being disappointed, my buddy went from the IMX to a GLX and expected it to be awesome and while he loved the rod his one remark was that it wasn't too much different from what he was using, so understand that the rod may be more sensitive but don't expect to be blown away.
Thanks for talking sense into me! My wallet appreciates it!
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 1:39 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks for talking sense into me! My wallet appreciates it!
Do you use braid to fluorocarbon on your spinning set-up? Because that alone might add to the sensitivity that you feel.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 4:07 AM, Fishin' Fool said:
Do you use braid to fluorocarbon on your spinning set-up? Because that alone might add to the sensitivity that you feel.
I was planning to put 20 pound braid as backing and then add a 12 feet flure (7-8 pound) leader to it.
Fishin' Fool reply :
Personally I'd go less 12-16 pound braid with your 7 to 8 pound leader for a finesse set-up should be great.
Use mono backing first though so you don't use so much braid.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 4:28 AM, Fishin' Fool said:Personally I'd go less 12-16 pound braid with your 7 to 8 pound leader for a finesse set-up should be great.
Use mono backing first though so you don't use so much braid.
I think if I get a 1000 reel there is not too much braid that i would have to put on. Might even use the braid directly sometimes if the water clarity allows it.
WRB reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 4:13 AM, freelancer27 said:I was planning to put 20 pound braid as backing and then add a 12 feet flure (7-8 pound) leader to it.
You originally stated you wanted a ultra Fineese spinning outfit. Medium light or 2 power rods would be the top end with 1 power or light being the lower end, what lure weights are you planning to fish with?
Tom
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 4:38 AM, WRB said:You originally stated you wanted a ultra Fineese spinning outfit. Medium light or 2 power rods would be the top end with 1 power or light being the lower end, what lure weights are you planning to fish with?
Tom
Thanks for your response!
Small finesse jigs (1/8), weightless worms, shaky heads (1/16) and drop shot. Every now and then I would also throw a little a 2.8 inch keitech.
Thanks again!
WRB reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 4:38 AM, WRB said:You originally stated you wanted a ultra Fineese spinning outfit. Medium light or 2 power rods would be the top end with 1 power or light being the lower end, what lure weights are you planning to fish with?
Tom
I will stay with my original 9 March suggestion and suggest you look at Fins WindTamer 12 lb moss green braid or Sunline Super Sniper green 7 lb FC main line or leader. Basically a ML or 2 power rod.
Tom
kschultz76 reply :
Agree with smalljaw67. At and above the $200 price point and beyond the Avid line you're entering the world of rapidly diminishing returns in terms of sensitivity. But the rods will tend to feel more crisp, should be lighter, and offer other benefits.
Thats why I suggest the Heliums, if you get a sale you're getting a lot of bang for your buck in terms of the blank in that price point. Plus a clean quality build and good components. In my hands they punch above their weight but others may not agree.
But in terms of feel and sensitivity a lot is subjective especially over $150-200 price point. So temper your expectations. Also pay attention to grip style, materials, and reel seats used. Theyre things can affect your comfort and overall feel of the rod. It's something I'm personally very picky about.
Good of luck and let us know what you choose.
RMax reply :
Avid X and Shimano Nasci. Beautiful combo
freelancer27 reply :
I am wondering what is more important for the combo, rod or reel?
I found this reel: http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Pflueger_President_XT_Spinning_Reel/descpage-PRS.html and wonder if I should spend more on the rod, or keep both balanced. Choices... 
Loomis13 reply :
Spend more on the rod!! Especially for the techniques you are planning on using. A better reel can come later but isn't really necessary.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 7:52 AM, Loomis13 said:Spend more on the rod!! Especially for the techniques you are planning on using. A better reel can come later but isn't really necessary.
Any recommendations here?
Loomis13 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 8:01 AM, freelancer27 said:Any recommendations here?
Well Im partial to St.Croix but you have kind of ruled that out. Outside of Croix, I would suggest something from Kistler or Dobyns in the price range of $250 but I do not have much experience with these lines. Megabass is an intiguing choice as well.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 8:04 AM, Loomis13 said:Well Im partial to St.Croix but you have kind of ruled that out. Outside of Croix, I would suggest something from Kistler or Dobyns in the price range of $250 but I do not have much experience with these lines. Megabass is an intiguing choice as well.
I did not rule St. Croix out per se. I just dont want to go with an Avid X, since that rod is not sensitive enough for me.
I am hearing good things about the St. Croix Legend Tournament Bass Spinning Rods though.
Darren. reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 10:20 AM, freelancer27 said:I did not rule St. Croix out per se. I just dont want to go with an Avid X, since that rod is not sensitive enough for me.
I am hearing good things about the St. Croix Legend Tournament Bass Spinning Rods though.
FWIW, I have the LT Walleye 6'3" MLXF (same as bass,
just different lengths) and it IS all they say... sensitive
and all that...
je1946 reply :
Right now you can get a Diawa Ballistic EX2000 spinning reel on sale at Cabela's for $120, leaving you $230 for a rod if you choose to spend that much for a finesse set up. The Ballistic normally sells for $200 and is a great reel, I own 2 Stradic CI4s and just bought my second Ballistic, will rate it right there with the Stradic. silky smooth with a great drag.
kschultz76 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 10:20 AM, freelancer27 said:I did not rule St. Croix out per se. I just dont want to go with an Avid X, since that rod is not sensitive enough for me.
I am hearing good things about the St. Croix Legend Tournament Bass Spinning Rods though.
I own several St Croixs, spinning and casting. Including one Triumph, one Avid, a couple LTBs, and a couple Legend Extremes. I'm gonna have to burst your bubble, the step up from the Avid or Avid X to an LTB isn't gonna knock your socks off. To find a really noticeable and discernible difference you'll need to step up to the Legend Elite or Extreme. LTB blanks are nice and great performers but I don't find the step up to them from the Avid amazing, so if the Avid X leaves you wanting the LTB may not either. Plus the reel seats on the current LTBs re hideous and loathsome.
if you're worried about ultimate sensitivity in a finess setup then for sure spend most of your budget on the rod and look for a cheap but light spinning reel. Maybe a Pflueger Supreme.
Im not sure it's light enough to get into the low weight finess you're looking to throw but a Megabass Orochi XX is hard to beat for sensitivity at its price point. The Medium Light Dropshot would probably be the one to look at.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 10:46 AM, kschultz76 said:
I own several St Croixs, spinning and casting. Including one Triumph, one Avid, a couple LTBs, and a couple Legend Extremes. I'm gonna have to burst your bubble, the step up from the Avid or Avid X to an LTB isn't gonna knock your socks off. To find a really noticeable and discernible difference you'll need to step up to the Legend Elite or Extreme. LTB blanks are nice and great performers but I don't find the step up to them from the Avid amazing, so if the Avid X leaves you wanting the LTB may not either. Plus the reel seats on the current LTBs re hideous and loathsome.
if you're worried about ultimate sensitivity in a finess setup then for sure spend most of your budget on the rod and look for a cheap but light spinning reel. Maybe a Pflueger Supreme.
Im not sure it's light enough to get into the low weight finess you're looking to throw but a Megabass Orochi XX is hard to beat for sensitivity at its price point. The Medium Light Dropshot would probably be the one to look at.
Thanks very much for your great insight!
I might as well go that road, if a legend extreme gives a significant upgrade and pair the rod ( I am thinking of the St. Croix Legend Xtreme Spinning Rod 6'10" Medium) with a Pflueger President XT Spinning Reel.
On the other hand I am not sure if a legend extreme is really twice as good as a Phenix M1 Spinning Rod 7'2" Medium, as the price would suggest.
It is part of the fun to talk with other anglers about their gear and experience to find one's right choice!
Thanks everybody for helping out!
kschultz76 reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 11:01 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks very much for your great insight!
I might as well go that road, if a legend extreme gives a significant upgrade and pair the rod ( I am thinking of the St. Croix Legend Xtreme Spinning Rod 6'10" Medium) with a Pflueger President XT Spinning Reel.
On the other hand I am not sure if a legend extreme is really twice as good as a Phenix M1 Spinning Rod 7'2" Medium, as the price would suggest.
It is part of the fun to talk with other anglers about their gear and experience to find one's right choice!
Thanks everybody for helping out!
I have no experience with Phenix rods so unfortunately I can't help you with that comparison. But given their price points and reviews I've read I'd doubt the Phenix M1 rivals the Extreme for sensitivity.
Wewlad reply :
Stradic 1000 Ci4+ = $200-230
Major craft Skyroad Mebaru 7ft= 150-170
Getting several Japanese Mebaru an Ajing rods is a going to happen for me this year; The more I look into them the more I am impressed.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 4/4/2017 at 8:01 AM, freelancer27 said:Any recommendations here?
Orochi XX Stinger Shot
Shimano Sahara
ALWAYS go big on the rod, as there's very little you can do to change it. Spinning reels are functionally all very similar so to me it doesn't make sense to go halfway with one. I'd go sick rod, ok spinning reel. You need feel for those presentaions!
freelancer27 reply :
Thanks.
I think I am gonna stick with the Pflueger XT reel. Seems like a light reel from a company with a good track record.
For the rod I am considering the following now:
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Orochi XX Spinning Rod 6'10" Stinger Shot
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Dobyns Champion Extreme HP Spin Rod 7' Light 70
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G. Loomis IMX Pro Spinning Rod 6'10" Mag Med 822S SYR
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Kistler Helium 3 Series Spinning Rod 7' Med Light
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Phenix Bass Recon Elite Spinning Rod 7'2" Light
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Shimano Expride A Spinning Rod 6'10" Med Lt
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St. Croix Legend Tournament Spin Rod 6'10" Med Lt
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St. Croix Legend Xtreme Spinning Rod 6'10" Medium
A little bit of a price range, but want to start to limit my options. I am still overwhelmed!
Wewlad reply :
I have a 6ft 8 ML Expride casting rod; For the price, I have to say they are quite amazing rods. Incredibly sensitive and responsive, and the High Power X wrapping really does make for a fast recovery when using jerkbaits and jigs.
DaveT63 reply :
I agree with one of the previous posters about the St Croix LTB reel seat. I recently had to replace an older LTB under the warranty. I got a new 6'8" MXF spinning rod back from them. I REALLY do not like that reel seat. If you have any opportunity at all, try to hold one first before you buy. The Xtreme, on the other hand, as well as the Elite, have great reel seats.
I have no experience with any of the other rods you list.
kschultz76 reply :
On 4/5/2017 at 11:23 AM, DaveT63 said:I agree with one of the previous posters about the St Croix LTB reel seat. I recently had to replace an older LTB under the warranty. I got a new 6'8" MXF spinning rod back from them. I REALLY do not like that reel seat. If you have any opportunity at all, try to hold one first before you buy. The Xtreme, on the other hand, as well as the Elite, have great reel seats.
I have no experience with any of the other rods you list.
My LTBs are all the previous version before they moved to the split reel seat. Totally agree they're awful now. But the current version of the Legend Extreme is the same exact terrible reel seats, the only thing that's different is the handle.
smalljaw67 reply :
On 4/5/2017 at 5:21 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks.
I think I am gonna stick with the Pflueger XT reel. Seems like a light reel from a company with a good track record.
For the rod I am considering the following now:
Orochi XX Spinning Rod 6'10" Stinger Shot
Dobyns Champion Extreme HP Spin Rod 7' Light 70
G. Loomis IMX Pro Spinning Rod 6'10" Mag Med 822S SYR
Kistler Helium 3 Series Spinning Rod 7' Med Light
Phenix Bass Recon Elite Spinning Rod 7'2" Light
Shimano Expride A Spinning Rod 6'10" Med Lt
St. Croix Legend Tournament Spin Rod 6'10" Med Lt
St. Croix Legend Xtreme Spinning Rod 6'10" Medium
A little bit of a price range, but want to start to limit my options. I am still overwhelmed!
Of all the rods you listed here I may be able to eliminate some. The first one to go is the Phenix Recon Elite, they are new but the Recon and Recon 2 while nice are not going to be more sensitive than an Avid X, probably less because Phenix rods tend to be slower in action than others. The legend Tournament is a little crisper feeling but you are paying for the K- series guides as they have the same alconite inserts and are around the same weight of the Avid line, sensitivity level isn't beyond the Avid line. The last one would be the Megabass Orochi Stinger Shot, if you intend to fish other finesse baits that aren't a completely exposed hook then you won't want that rod. The tip is really soft as it is designed for nose hooking soft plastics and drop shot fishing in general, you will see the strike with that rod before you feel it and it is designed like that as most drop shot specific rods are. The choice is up to you, I think going to a high end rod is a good way for you to go, but if you want to have a real noticeable difference in sensitivity you can mull around with rods that are in the $180 to $250 range, you either go with something in the same category as the Avid series and get a good reel to go with it and have a solid set up with above average sensitivity or you go a little lower on the reel and go with a GLX or Legend Elite or Extreme where you will have a noticeable difference in sensitivity but you aren't going to get even close to blown away with anything under those.
smr913 reply :
My vote goes to the Avid X 7' ML F or the 6'9" ML XF Then get the best reel you can with the rest of your budget. I use a St. Croix 7' L F with a 1000 Stradic Ci4+ spooled with 10# braid. From what I read you probably want to step up a power.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/5/2017 at 7:02 PM, smalljaw67 said:
Of all the rods you listed here I may be able to eliminate some. The first one to go is the Phenix Recon Elite, they are new but the Recon and Recon 2 while nice are not going to be more sensitive than an Avid X, probably less because Phenix rods tend to be slower in action than others. The legend Tournament is a little crisper feeling but you are paying for the K- series guides as they have the same alconite inserts and are around the same weight of the Avid line, sensitivity level isn't beyond the Avid line. The last one would be the Megabass Orochi Stinger Shot, if you intend to fish other finesse baits that aren't a completely exposed hook then you won't want that rod. The tip is really soft as it is designed for nose hooking soft plastics and drop shot fishing in general, you will see the strike with that rod before you feel it and it is designed like that as most drop shot specific rods are. The choice is up to you, I think going to a high end rod is a good way for you to go, but if you want to have a real noticeable difference in sensitivity you can mull around with rods that are in the $180 to $250 range, you either go with something in the same category as the Avid series and get a good reel to go with it and have a solid set up with above average sensitivity or you go a little lower on the reel and go with a GLX or Legend Elite or Extreme where you will have a noticeable difference in sensitivity but you aren't going to get even close to blown away with anything under those.
Thanks for the detailed response!
I think I am leaning towards the high end rod and mid-level reel.
The GLX and the Legend Extreme seem to be good candidates paired with a Pflueger XT PRESXTSP20X, put 15pound braid on it (with 7pound fluro leader) and call it a day.
Any thoughts on GLX vs Legend Extreme? Also is there a cheaper way to get one of those than forking out 400 bucks on TW?
Thanks!
Loomis13 reply :
On 4/6/2017 at 12:40 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks for the detailed response!
I think I am leaning towards the high end rod and mid-level reel.
The GLX and the Legend Extreme seem to be good candidates paired with a Pflueger XT PRESXTSP20X, put 15pound braid on it (with 7pound fluro leader) and call it a day.
Any thoughts on GLX vs Legend Extreme? Also is there a cheaper way to get one of those than forking out 400 bucks on TW?
Thanks!
First, I would recommend the Legend Elite over the Legend Extreme. I cant compare the Elite to the GLX but the Elite is sweet rod. The 6'10" Mag-lite GLX would also be a great rod. Check around on ebay or post a WTB in the fishing flea market forum on here.
kschultz76 reply :
On 4/6/2017 at 12:40 AM, freelancer27 said:Thanks for the detailed response!
I think I am leaning towards the high end rod and mid-level reel.
The GLX and the Legend Extreme seem to be good candidates paired with a Pflueger XT PRESXTSP20X, put 15pound braid on it (with 7pound fluro leader) and call it a day.
Any thoughts on GLX vs Legend Extreme? Also is there a cheaper way to get one of those than forking out 400 bucks on TW?
Thanks!
Based on the reel seats alone I'd go GLX, and I say that as a fan of St Croix spinning sticks. Contact Gary at the Tackle Trap to see what pricing he can offer. Gary also has a wealth of experience and knowledge to offer. Likely he can help you dial the rod in. But if you're up to shelling out $400 on a rod checkout the new Megabass 2017 Destroyer Addermine. Looks like a sick finesse rod and it's next in my list. They just came out and Gary already has time on the water with them. But make sure you understand warranty/service plan differences between manufacturers if that enters into your decision.
Turkey sandwich reply :
So, I skimmed this, and there's some really good advice. Probably the most important is that above $200, you're looking at diminished returns and a rod to match your personal preferences over actual sensitivity. A GLX or Legend Elite/Extreme would be a killer rod, but ultimately it isn't going to be an ultimate sensitivity machine on its own. To say that a rod "isn't sensitive enough" for you might be a product of overlooking a lot of details. What kind of line are you using? How is your technique? Where and under what conditions are you fishing this rod? An Avid X, IMX, Mojo gen 2, Aetos, etc are all going to provide you with a LOT of feel. If you're having trouble feeling changes in bottom texture, cover, etc with any of those, likely tweaking your technique or line will make a much, much bigger difference than dropping $500 on a new stick.
DaveT63 reply :
Someone mentioned the flea market here and also the auction site for good used rods. I've had nothing but great luck buying used on here and other forums. I've bought GLX, St Croix Elite and Xtreme rods like new for under $200. Patience is key here, waiting for the right rod to pop up.
Also as mentioned above, call Gary at The Tackle Trap. They very often have dealer demo rods in like new condition for as much as 25% off.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/6/2017 at 9:35 AM, DaveT63 said:Someone mentioned the flea market here and also the auction site for good used rods. I've had nothing but great luck buying used on here and other forums. I've bought GLX, St Croix Elite and Xtreme rods like new for under $200. Patience is key here, waiting for the right rod to pop up.
Also as mentioned above, call Gary at The Tackle Trap. They very often have dealer demo rods in like new condition for as much as 25% off.
I have been keeping an eye open there (no luck so far). No luck on auction sites either. They seem to sell for full price there as well.
Further North reply :
It'd blow your budget, but I've got a St. Croix LXS610MLXF that's just amazing.
Paired with any lightweight, quality reel you'd be hard pressed to find better.
freelancer27 reply :
So, I decided to make the combo saltwater proof as well (budget also drastically raised)..
Here is what I am leaning towards:
Rod: St. Croix Rods Legend Xtreme Inshore XIS70MLF
Reel:
One of those:
* Abu Garcia Orra Inshore Spinning Reel 30
* Abu Garcia REVO Inshore Spinning Reel 30
* Quantum Smoke Inshore PT Spinning Reel 30X
* Shimano Stradic Spinning Reels FK ST1000HGFK
What ya thinking about this?
smalljaw67 reply :
Unless you get the inshore at a reduced price or you intend to saltwater fish with it I'd say no. The saltwater version is half an ounce heavier while the freshwater version has better guides. Both the guides and weight will impact sensitivity. I feel like you are grasping straws and I'm afraid the sensitivity issue is going to plague you. I noticed you asked for help on Tackle Tour and at the 400 combo range some mentioned the Avid, and of course you didn't feel good with the sensitivity. Well as I said before, the difference between the Avid and a GLX or a Legend Elite/Extreme will be noticeable but it isn't going to be stark, a light bite is still going to be light, you will pick the feel up faster but it isn't going to be night and day difference that you seem to be expecting. This wouldn't be a problem is you have been using an ugly stick but saying the Avid X wasn't sensitive enough is like saying a 357 mag didn't have enough stopping power so you need a 44 mag. There is a difference but it won't be as profound as you expect and that makes it hard to suggest anything because I feel no matter what you get it isn't going to meet your expectations. Did you ever wonder why the Avid gets mentioned so much? Because that is the mark where the sensitivity of the rod transitions into components as you go up in price range. Yes, the rods will get more sensitive but not as you seem to think, if you can't feel a light bite now, adding another $200 might not get you there either, if you can't feel the difference between rock and wood now, you may not be able to feel it after spending more. I apologize for sounding like a broken record and I want to help but I don't think I can do much for you other than to say that you either need to find someone with a high end set up and have them let you use it for a few hours so you understand what the difference is going to be. The last thing I will say is that you also have to take into consideration you are going from baitcasting to spinning, the lighter power spinning rod is going to have a lot more sensitivity just because of the lighter power, so getting a good high end rod will have a lot more feel than the heavier power casting rod, but keep an open mind and try to get any preconceived notions out of your head because it will end in nothing but disappointment as Kshultz told you, the law of diminishing returns really gets going once you pass the $200 price point. So choose wisely, don't over think it and don't look to inshore models because you find one at a discount unless you plan to do that kind of fishing, good luck.
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/10/2017 at 7:32 PM, smalljaw67 said:Unless you get the inshore at a reduced price or you intend to saltwater fish with it I'd say no. The saltwater version is half an ounce heavier while the freshwater version has better guides. Both the guides and weight will impact sensitivity. I feel like you are grasping straws and I'm afraid the sensitivity issue is going to plague you. I noticed you asked for help on Tackle Tour and at the 400 combo range some mentioned the Avid, and of course you didn't feel good with the sensitivity. Well as I said before, the difference between the Avid and a GLX or a Legend Elite/Extreme will be noticeable but it isn't going to be stark, a light bite is still going to be light, you will pick the feel up faster but it isn't going to be night and day difference that you seem to be expecting. This wouldn't be a problem is you have been using an ugly stick but saying the Avid X wasn't sensitive enough is like saying a 357 mag didn't have enough stopping power so you need a 44 mag. There is a difference but it won't be as profound as you expect and that makes it hard to suggest anything because I feel no matter what you get it isn't going to meet your expectations. Did you ever wonder why the Avid gets mentioned so much? Because that is the mark where the sensitivity of the rod transitions into components as you go up in price range. Yes, the rods will get more sensitive but not as you seem to think, if you can't feel a light bite now, adding another $200 might not get you there either, if you can't feel the difference between rock and wood now, you may not be able to feel it after spending more. I apologize for sounding like a broken record and I want to help but I don't think I can do much for you other than to say that you either need to find someone with a high end set up and have them let you use it for a few hours so you understand what the difference is going to be. The last thing I will say is that you also have to take into consideration you are going from baitcasting to spinning, the lighter power spinning rod is going to have a lot more sensitivity just because of the lighter power, so getting a good high end rod will have a lot more feel than the heavier power casting rod, but keep an open mind and try to get any preconceived notions out of your head because it will end in nothing but disappointment as Kshultz told you, the law of diminishing returns really gets going once you pass the $200 price point. So choose wisely, don't over think it and don't look to inshore models because you find one at a discount unless you plan to do that kind of fishing, good luck.
LOL! Whenever I think I can settle on a selection somebody shows up and makes good arguments! I think you are right, that I expect a twice as sensitive set up from twice the price. Which it sounds I will NOT get and therefor might rather save my hard earned bucks!
I will rethink the rod! Though I think my decision to go with a saltwater ready reel has manifested.
Any thoughts on these here?
* Abu Garcia Orra Inshore Spinning Reel 30
* Abu Garcia REVO Inshore Spinning Reel 30
* Quantum Smoke Inshore PT Spinning Reel 30X
* Shimano Stradic Spinning Reels FK ST1000HGFK
Burntorangefan reply :
I can also attest to the sensitivity of the Legend Extreme 6-10 MLXF rods. I have a brand new one that saw time on the water this past weekend and I'm very impressed. I'd consider the sensitivity on par with Loomis GLX and NRX. I also have a Legend Tournament Bass that I really like, but it's not in that league - nor in price to be fair.
I don't mind the reel seat of the LE, though YMMV. I don't have any practical experience with the lighter spinning setups of other companies, so I can't be helpful in that regard. So on rods, I think since money appears to no longer be any object I'd lean LE or Legend Elite, GLX or NRX.
On reels, I'm a fan of Daiwa and their MagSealed offerings may work for your salty desires. Some folks like to tinker with their reels and if you're one of them, they may not be for you. I am not, and they work well for me. But again, they aren't cheap......
RoLo reply :
Were it me, I'd go with a Shimano 1000 Stradic FK reel and Dobyns Fury rod.
If I had to skimp somewhere, it would be on the reel, but not the rod.
Roger
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/11/2017 at 3:51 AM, RoLo said:Were it me, I'd go with a Shimano 1000 Stradic FK reel and Dobyns Fury rod.
If I had to skimp somewhere, it would be on the reel, but not the rod.
Roger
But why would you then use a 'cheaper' rod as the Fury? I am not a native speaker, so I might understand 'skimp' wrong 
RoLo reply :
On 4/11/2017 at 10:09 AM, freelancer27 said:But why would you then use a 'cheaper' rod as the Fury? I am not a native speaker, so I might understand 'skimp' wrong
All I was saying is this: if the total price of the rod & reel is more than you wish to spend,
I would sooner look for a lower cost reel rather than a lower cost rod (The rod is the workhorse)
Roger
freelancer27 reply :
On 4/11/2017 at 12:13 PM, RoLo said:
All I was saying is this: if the total price of the rod & reel is more than you wish to spend,
I would sooner look for a lower cost reel rather than a lower cost rod (The rod is the workhorse)
Roger
I think I do not want to spend more than necessary, where necessary is hard to define sometimes
I rather spend another 100 USD and be fully happy than saving a hundred USD and keep asking me 'what if I had spend 100 USD more?'
Shimano 1000/2500 Stradic FK and a Legend Extreme (inshore)? Is there a reason why the Inshore is heavier and has different guides? Does it make it more robust in comparison to the fresh water one?
smalljaw67 reply :
Freelancer27, Go to the Tackle Tour home page and read the review of the Abu Garcia Villain 2.0. Don't go to the forum section but the home page, they reviewed that rod and what they said was the area of the rod that really shined was the sensitivity, in fact they gave it a rating of 8.42 and their editors choice for a rod that is $199.99 and might be had for less during sales. What I found was they used a Daiwa Exceler and a Pflueger Supreme reel to test the stick which would have you well under budget. The reason I mention this is because the sensitivity thing is one area where they will tell you that a rod is sensitive to its price point, they didn't do that, in fact they kind of went out of there way in praise for that stick, something you don't get from those guys at rods under $300 price point and they have done reviews in which they weren't a fan of the sensitivity with some high end sticks. I know you are pretty set on the saltwater deal but this may just be thing you are looking for sensitivity wise without breaking the bank. http://tackletour.com/index.html
The Fisher reply :
Avid X 6'9" M Xl for super light finesse fishing.
Shaky heads , Wacky Worms etc. Falcon Cara T7 Spin Rod 6'9" Medium Fast
mreservices reply :
I have a few of the rods you are looking at so I thought I would chime in. Please keep in mind that I am no professional. Just your weekend fisherman for the past 25 or so years. I have the following rods that I have used and can speak to (my impressions):
Dobyns Champion Extreme DX701 Light Fast
Dobyns Champion Extreme DX702 Med/Light Fast
Dobyns Champion Extreme DX703 Medium Fast
St. Croix Legend Xtreme LXS68MXF Med Ex Fast
St. Croix Legend Xtreme LXS70MLF Med/Light Fast
St. Croix Legend Xtreme LXS70MF Med Fast
St. Croix Legend Tournament Bass TBS68MXF Med Ex Fast
GLoomis IMX Mag-Lt 820S DSR Mag-Lt
*** Envy EBS71M Med Fast
One you didn't list but high end
Kistler Z-Bone LE LE-2MS-73 Med Fast
I have lower end rods, but from a sensitivity standpoint, these are my best. Of all of my rods, the Kistler is the most sensitive for me, but it is a $500 rod. After that, the Legend Xtreme would follow, and fairly close I feel (literally). I really like the Legend Xtreme rods. I think some people are put off by the handles, but I like them. They are comfortable and are really nice sticks. After that I would say the Dobyns Champion Extreme, then the Envy and the St. Croix Legend Tournament rods. Of all of my rods, the I like fishing the Dobyns the best. The main reason is the balance of the rod. I can use a lighter reel and make it balance well (i.e. I'm not tired at the end of the day). All of the St. Croix rods that I have fished are a bit more tip heavy. The Xtremes are better than the LTB by a ton, but still not as good as the Xtremes. I do hear good things about the new Elites but have not tried one. The Envy also balances very well with lighter reels. I have a few GLoomis IMX rods and they are nice, but they are older models and likely not as good as the new PRO models. I have been fishing the IMX line since the early 90's and have always been happy with them. I just didn't like the fact they sold off to Shimano so I moved on. Still great sticks with great warranties.
Just a few of my thoughts to throw in the mix. I do agree with most people that after $250, there are not huge jumps in performance. With that said, there are some great sticks above $250. Are they worth it? Only you can decide.
As for reels, I mainly use the Diawa Ballistic EX and Quantum Smoke. I also have a Pflueger President and Supreme XT for my wife and I would never buy another one. Both reels click when reeling and they don't have much time on the water. Moving forward, all of my reels will be Diawa.
Just an FYI, I am selling my Kistler Z-Bone LE LE-2MS-73 Med Fast rod. I will have it in the Flea Market later today.
Good luck with your quest!!
WRB reply :
Why not contact DVT and have a custom rod made to your specific requirements. Bass anglers tend to use sensitivity to justify purchasing highend state of the art rod brands. If you compare how a rod performs at night in the dark, if you can determine a difference between today's light weight rods that cost $125 vs $550, then buy the rod.
Reel, Shimano Stratic series are extremely reliable smooth, state of the art spinning reels.
Tom
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