How many feet of braid on a baitcaster 2024
cgolf reply :
Looking to spool up some new reels and some old ones and trying to figure out how much line I should put on. I picked up a couple of 300 yd spools of 832 if I went with 150 feet on each I could spool up 6 reels. Does that seem about right? Thinking of walleye trolling I don't let out much more than 100 feet very often, not sure how far I truly can cast bass plugs.
Sam reply :
Look at the braid's line test and check it against what the reel has printed on it for line test/yards.
Then, put some mono as backing and tie the braid to the mono backing. You can use as much mono backing as you want with the understanding that it is going to count against the reel's maximum yardage.
You may want to glue the braid to the mono knot for extra strength. Not much glue. Get a fast drying glue with an applicator and use that. Apply a little to the knot and let it dry 100%.
Don't go overboard with the mono. Just enough to keep the braid from slipping. Enough to cover the spool a few times.
Then spool the braid onto the reel and having the braid stop between an 1/8 to 1/4 inch from the top of the reel.
It is almost impossible to estimate the amount of line you are putting on your reel unless you have a really good line counter. The ones in the marketplace today are not that accurate. So your guess is as good as mine.
You could measure the distance in yards from your entry door to your closet door in your man cave and then take the braid and tie it to the door knob and then run it to the other door knob, circle the knob, and go back and forth between doors until you have the amount of yardage you need. You know, if the doors are 12 feet apart, you have 4 yards, then 8 yards, then 12, then 16, then 20, etc.
Do this in private because anyone seeing you doing this will think you lost your mind.
My cousins and I used to walk the line around my aunt's house to measure it, going room by room until we figured we had the right yardage. I don't do that anymore as I a married and my wife would not appreciate it.
Just a suggestion.
Happy New Year!
GReb reply :
Line counters are 10-15 bucks
cgolf reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 10:08 PM, Sam said:Look at the braid's line test and check it against what the reel has printed on it for line test/yards.
Then, put some mono as backing and tie the braid to the mono backing. You can use as much mono backing as you want with the understanding that it is going to count against the reel's maximum yardage.
You may want to glue the braid to the mono knot for extra strength. Not much glue. Get a fast drying glue with an applicator and use that. Apply a little to the knot and let it dry 100%.
Don't go overboard with the mono. Just enough to keep the braid from slipping. Enough to cover the spool a few times.
Then spool the braid onto the reel and having the braid stop between an 1/8 to 1/4 inch from the top of the reel.
It is almost impossible to estimate the amount of line you are putting on your reel unless you have a really good line counter. The ones in the marketplace today are not that accurate. So your guess is as good as mine.
You could measure the distance in yards from your entry door to your closet door in your man cave and then take the braid and tie it to the door knob and then run it to the other door knob, circle the knob, and go back and forth between doors until you have the amount of yardage you need. You know, if the doors are 12 feet apart, you have 4 yards, then 8 yards, then 12, then 16, then 20, etc.
Do this in private because anyone seeing you doing this will think you lost your mind.
My cousins and I used to walk the line around my aunt's house to measure it, going room by room until we figured we had the right yardage. I don't do that anymore as I a married and my wife would not appreciate it.
Just a suggestion.
Happy New Year!
One thing I have done too to minimize backlash damage and not have the connection knot screw up the line coming off he reel is put a small piece of duct tape over it as the knot is spooled on. This does seem to help with casting, especially on spinning reels where lighter line is used.
On 12/26/2018 at 10:36 PM, GReb said:Line counters are 10-15 bucks
Yeah I have 3 of them I use when walleye trolling and have used them to spool up reels before. I figure it will get me in the ballpark when spooling up, not perfect but close enough. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't shorting myself with 150 feet.
Sam reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 10:39 PM, cgolf said:One thing I have done too to minimize backlash damage and not have the connection knot screw up the line coming off he reel is put a small piece of duct tape over it as the knot is spooled on. This does seem to help with casting, especially on spinning reels where lighter line is used.
Yeah I have 3 of them I use when walleye trolling and have used them to spool up reels before. I figure it will get me in the ballpark when spooling up, not perfect but close enough. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't shorting myself with 150 feet.
cgolf, yes, you can get a line counter for that price but I have found them to be difficult to use and they are not accurate. They will give you an idea of the yards. I like my method better using the two door knobs. At least I know the variance and can take that into consideration.
Another method I have used is going into my field with the rods and reels set up with the baits and casting as far as I can. I then walk along to where the lure landed and count off yards using my stride. Not perfect but like you said, it gives you an idea of the yards you have spooled on the reel.
The duct tape - Scotch tape trick is an old one and it works. You can do this to stop backlashes, too, by casting out and then putting the duct tape or Scotch tape across the line on your spool.
OnthePotomac reply :
Wow, 150 feet gives you half a football field to troll, or anything else you wish to do. I only use 120 ft of 50lb Sufix 832 on my frog rod (the only reel with braid) and it is quite adequate.
WRB reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 9:56 PM, cgolf said:Looking to spool up some new reels and some old ones and trying to figure out how much line I should put on. I picked up a couple of 300 yd spools of 832 if I went with 150 feet on each I could spool up 6 reels. Does that seem about right? Thinking of walleye trolling I don't let out much more than 100 feet very often, not sure how far I truly can cast bass plugs.
What lb test? Reel spool capacity is dependant on line diameter. Look at your reels spool capacity, usually listed as mono line by lb test, then look at the diameter of your braid compared to the mono diameter.
Tom
PS, TW list Suffix braid diameter with a mono lb test conversion.
jbrew73 reply :
Most of my bass reels have 65 yards of main line and whatever amount of backing needed to have a full spool. I don’t think 50 yards is enough for some rigs but 65 seems to do well even if I have a break off .
i measure out 65 yards of main line and spool the reel, tie on backing and fill up the spool. Remove all the line and spool up from the backing end first. Time consuming the first time but when it’s time to replace the main line you strip it down the the backing knot , tie on new line and spool back up.
Dens228 reply :
I can't be the only one that loads the spool with line until it's near the top?
I couldn't even guess how much line is on there nor have I tried.
cgolf reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 3:00 AM, Dens228 said:I can't be the only one that loads the spool with line until it's near the top?
I couldn't even guess how much line is on there nor have I tried.
I used to and then I ended up with a bunch of spools that had wasted line on them. For the big game mono backing, no worries, but for more expensive braid I wasn't feeling great about throwing away that much line. At least with flouro you can use it for leader material.
On 12/27/2018 at 12:58 AM, jbrew73 said:Most of my bass reels have 65 yards of main line and whatever amount of backing needed to have a full spool. I don’t think 50 yards is enough for some rigs but 65 seems to do well even if I have a break off .
i measure out 65 yards of main line and spool the reel, tie on backing and fill up the spool. Remove all the line and spool up from the backing end first. Time consuming the first time but when it’s time to replace the main line you strip it down the the backing knot , tie on new line and spool back up.
Somehow my reply got lost lol. Gonna go with 60 yards and get 5 reels out of one spool and do it backwards like you mentioned to get the backing right. Would just hate to throw 40 yds of line away which would happen if I did 65 yds a reel.
On my 150 yard spool will just do 75 on 2 reels and call it a day.
Big Rick reply :
Don't forget you can use braid TWICE. When it starts to fade you can spool it back up backward and have the fresh line on the outside with the old line inside. Braid has no memory...
cgolf reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 4:34 AM, Big Rick said:Don't forget you can use braid TWICE. When it starts to fade you can spool it back up backward and have the fresh line on the outside with the old line inside. Braid has no memory...
Working on that, pulling some line off an old retired reel to respool another reel. Also the reels with the pretty old braid on them now, if the back half looks good, I will just flip it. The three new reels get the new line.
Braid and fireline is awesome stuff, it seems to last a really long time on a reel and not lose any braking strength.
LionHeart reply :
Nothing worse than seeing backing at the end of a cast. I try to use more braid than you ever expect to need. Don't skimp.
40 or so yards of backing (10 lb test), then braid.
Fishingmickey reply :
Cgolf,
A lot has to do with the diameter of braid your putting on. If your planning on putting on 20# braid (6lb mono equivalent) your Curado 200K will hold a metric poop ton or probably close to 200 yards of 20# braid(not saying you have a Curado K just used as an example). If you use 50# briad it will hold about a 110 yards. But look at the diameters of your braid and compare it to the amount of mono your reel specification shows how much line it will hold. You should get a good approximation of how much the reel will hold and guide you on how much to spool. I wouldn't get fixated by a exact number. I spool my baitcasters about 50/50. 50% mono backing and then fill with braid.
There is no way with the information given, meaning the reel specs (how much does it hold) and brands of mono backing/lb test of braided lines that are going to be used that an accurate answer can be provided.
I try to match my mono diameter with the braid diameter I am spooling or at least get it somewhat close. I'd look at your 150' goal per reel. You might be short changing yourself. WRB has it spot on his post match up your line diameters and you should get pretty close. Or just go to the football field with a friend.
G'luck,
Fishingmickey
new2BC4bass reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 4:34 AM, Big Rick said:Don't forget you can use braid TWICE. When it starts to fade you can spool it back up backward and have the fresh line on the outside with the old line inside. Braid has no memory...
Braid that has faded isn't necessarily bad. Most braid doesn't retain color well at all. I've used braid that had turned almost white with no problems. If I am using braid, I am almost always throwing back into lily pads.
cgolf reply :
So I took my longest casting reel, Lews Crush, that I never came close to casting into the backing and I will up that number by 10 yards and call it a day.
I guess my problem is I am cheap and analytical so I hate the idea of wasting line so I like the numbers to equal full spool usage. I honestly didn’t expect this topic to generate so many replies I tough it was a simple answer;)
Also just learned the Abus hold 35 more yards of line than the Lews. I was right around 50/50 on the Lews. Figure if I get 120 to 130 on the Abu reels I will be good and I will be around 50/50. The jerkbait/topwater reel I may go more backing and a length similar to the Crush because these are shorter presentations for me vs bomb casts with the other 2.
Thanks for all the replies.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
60-75 yards of braid should be plenty to bury the splice knot and leave some for re-tying. I can't see spooling on yards of expensive line that will never see the light of day.
cgolf reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 12:58 AM, jbrew73 said:Most of my bass reels have 65 yards of main line and whatever amount of backing needed to have a full spool. I don’t think 50 yards is enough for some rigs but 65 seems to do well even if I have a break off .
i measure out 65 yards of main line and spool the reel, tie on backing and fill up the spool. Remove all the line and spool up from the backing end first. Time consuming the first time but when it’s time to replace the main line you strip it down the the backing knot , tie on new line and spool back up.
I did this and it ended up being pretty close. Only thing I noticed was with the braid on top it filled up a touch more, maybe from the tape over the back to back uni knot. I will say that it is tedious and took forever. Since I don’t have to do it to often it is better to get it right.
On 12/26/2018 at 10:08 PM, Sam said:Look at the braid's line test and check it against what the reel has printed on it for line test/yards.
Then, put some mono as backing and tie the braid to the mono backing. You can use as much mono backing as you want with the understanding that it is going to count against the reel's maximum yardage.
You may want to glue the braid to the mono knot for extra strength. Not much glue. Get a fast drying glue with an applicator and use that. Apply a little to the knot and let it dry 100%.
Don't go overboard with the mono. Just enough to keep the braid from slipping. Enough to cover the spool a few times.
Then spool the braid onto the reel and having the braid stop between an 1/8 to 1/4 inch from the top of the reel.
It is almost impossible to estimate the amount of line you are putting on your reel unless you have a really good line counter. The ones in the marketplace today are not that accurate. So your guess is as good as mine.
You could measure the distance in yards from your entry door to your closet door in your man cave and then take the braid and tie it to the door knob and then run it to the other door knob, circle the knob, and go back and forth between doors until you have the amount of yardage you need. You know, if the doors are 12 feet apart, you have 4 yards, then 8 yards, then 12, then 16, then 20, etc.
Do this in private because anyone seeing you doing this will think you lost your mind.
My cousins and I used to walk the line around my aunt's house to measure it, going room by room until we figured we had the right yardage. I don't do that anymore as I a married and my wife would not appreciate it.
Just a suggestion.
Happy New Year!
I ended up taping it to a bench and walking it to a spot measured 15 feet away. Then I would tape where it was at the 15 ft mark and wound the previous 15 feet onto a second spool. 15 feet works good for figuring out how much line I am spoooling up.
jbrew73 reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 4:16 AM, cgolf said:I used to and then I ended up with a bunch of spools that had wasted line on them. For the big game mono backing, no worries, but for more expensive braid I wasn't feeling great about throwing away that much line. At least with flouro you can use it for leader material.
Somehow my reply got lost lol. Gonna go with 60 yards and get 5 reels out of one spool and do it backwards like you mentioned to get the backing right. Would just hate to throw 40 yds of line away which would happen if I did 65 yds a reel.
On my 150 yard spool will just do 75 on 2 reels and call it a day.
A lot of my line is on 200 yard spools so 65 x’s 3 reels works nicely. I can’t quite get by doing 50 yards on some reels but on others it would be plenty.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
All you guys are wrong.
Analytically speaking
Filling a spool up all the way with braid will use less braid in the long run.
If a reel holds 100 yards of braid for a full spool thats 300feet you use the line til it gets low on the spool then backfill with mono as line gets used you get to about 100' and the connection knot so time to replace, you waste only 100'.
Now if you start with 150' of braid with filler mono and line gets used and you replace at same 100' mark you will do this twice per 300' 100yrd spool. Wasting in total 200' feet of braid in the long run.
cgolf reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 2:05 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:All you guys are wrong.
Analytically speaking
Filling a spool up all the way with braid will use less braid in the long run.
If a reel holds 100 yards of braid for a full spool thats 300feet you use the line til it gets low on the spool then backfill with mono as line gets used you get to about 100' and the connection knot so time to replace, you waste only 100'.
Now if you start with 150' of braid with filler mono and line gets used and you replace at same 100' mark you will do this twice per 300' 100yrd spool. Wasting in total 200' feet of braid in the long run.
Maybe, but I do have some reels with 10 year old power pro on it that I feel I got my money out of. The only thing with starting with 150, if you flip the line at some point before it’s too short you end up using all of the line. That would hold true for your scenario as well.
OnthePotomac reply :
I must respectfully disagree that line counters are inaccurate. They are not precision for sure, but I have worn out three in the last 15 years and the line they have saved me has more than paid for them. In addition, they have enabled me to record on the original spool the amount I have used and it always comes out pretty darn close to the spool quantity. OK, call me a cheap skate, but I do not have to throw away a spool with line, but not quite enough line to use. It takes a minute to clamp it on the rod in a reverse direction and go.
cgolf reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 11:19 PM, OnthePotomac said:I must respectfully disagree that line counters are inaccurate. They are not precision for sure, but I have worn out three in the last 15 years and the line they have saved me has more than paid for them. In addition, they have enabled me to record on the original spool the amount I have used and it always comes out pretty darn close to the spool quantity. OK, call me a cheap skate, but I do not have to throw away a spool with line, but not quite enough line to use. It takes a minute to clamp it on the rod in a reverse direction and go.
Not 100 percent sure on the accuracy, but I do watch them like a hawk when letting back crank when trolling to make sure the line doesn't slip. I think the clip on models are a lot more accurate than the line counter reels, which are influenced by the amount of line on the spool, consistent for that reel but not across multiple reels. I do feel they are pretty consistent, but have never thought to verify their accuracy.
shackman reply :
Here's what I do...I make a long cast in the yard and then pull off about 10 more yds, tie new braid onto line with Albright knot and spool till full,no guesswork and your good to go.
Heartland reply :
You can figure how much backing you need easily by knowing a few details and doing some simple math.
Spool Capacity rated at what line type and pound test.
Line diameter of backing line to be used.
Line diameter and amount of main line you wish to use.
If you have this information, the rest is easy.
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 8:27 AM, Heartland said:You can figure how much backing you need easily by knowing a few details and doing some simple math.
Spool Capacity rated at what line type and pound test.
Line diameter of backing line to be used.
Line diameter and amount of main line you wish to use.
If you have this information, the rest is easy.
The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono.
Heartland reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 9:09 AM, cgolf said:The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono.
If the difference in a couple feet of line is going to be a difference maker this is probably not the answer.
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 9:14 AM, Heartland said:If the difference in a couple feet of line is going to be a difference maker this is probably not the answer.
I ended up using @jbrew73 method of spooling on the 60 yards of braid first and then the backing to get the amount of backing correct. Then went through the fun process of flipping the line to get the backing on first.
this time I won’t fill it as full with backing. After I flipped it, it was a bit fuller than before.
Heartland reply :
Certainly will work, too much of a hassle for me to use. I usually just do the math, take my reel down to the tackle shop when I purchase my line, and tell them what I want and how much of it. Bulk mono backing is very cheap to have spooled on.
CrankFate reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 12:50 AM, WRB said:What lb test? Reel spool capacity is dependant on line diameter. Look at your reels spool capacity, usually listed as mono line by lb test, then look at the diameter of your braid compared to the mono diameter.
Tom
PS, TW list Suffix braid diameter with a mono lb test conversion.
???? when want line capacity, go as thin as possible. Look for line diameter ratings for the reel. Usually you can double capacity with thinner line. Pound test is overrated.
On 12/27/2018 at 3:00 AM, Dens228 said:I can't be the only one that loads the spool with line until it's near the top?
I couldn't even guess how much line is on there nor have I tried.
Nope. You’re not the only one. I fill until it’s as full as possible. No backer line, just lay a tail of braid across the spool. But if the spool has grooves in it or holes in it, it’s impossible for the line to slip.
On 12/28/2018 at 9:09 AM, cgolf said:The only thing that bugs me is braid seems to take up more space than mono of the same diameter. It doesn’t seem to lay on the spool as tightly as mono.
It does, but you have to start by spooling it on very tight. I know what you mean, though, but trial and error in spooling tightly and with which lines work better in holding the spool goes a long way. If it doesn’t hold good enough for you, try a different brand line.
Dens228 reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 10:09 AM, CrankFate said:
???? when want line capacity, go as thin as possible. Look for line diameter ratings for the reel. Usually you can double capacity with thinner line. Pound test is overrated.
Nope. You’re not the only one. I fill until it’s as full as possible. No backer line, just lay a tail of braid across the spool. But if the spool has grooves in it or holes in it, it’s impossible for the line to slip.
It does, but you have to start by spooling it on very tight. I know what you mean, though, but trial and error in spooling tightly and with which lines work better in holding the spool goes a long way.
No backer line for me either. I roll a layer of electrical tape, then tie it on and spool it up.
cgolf reply :
Do really like the Sufix Coastal Camo on the reel hoping it will work on the water.
WRB reply :
Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.
Tom
PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.
Heartland reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:08 AM, WRB said:Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.
Tom
PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.
Not sure if this is in reference to my post or not since you made no quotation, so disregard if it is not. I want to know what the spool says it can hold. Ie. 120 yards of 10lb test mono. I need that information to do the math to determine how many yards of backer and mainline it will take to fill the spool.
WRB reply :
Suffix 832 list it's 40 lb as being .014 diameter equal to 14 lb test mono. I am not sure where Suffix gets their line diameters for mono? Your reel capacity would be based on the average mono dia were 12 lb test is equal to .014 dia.
What reel by model are you trying to evuate for 10 lb mono backing and what brais mfr and lb test are you using?
Tom
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:20 AM, Heartland said:Not sure if this is in reference to my post or not since you made no quotation, so disregard if it is not. I want to know what the spool says it can hold. Ie. 120 yards of 10lb test mono. I need that information to do the math to determine how many yards of backer and mainline it will take to fill the spool.
On 12/28/2018 at 11:08 AM, WRB said:Line diameter is line diameter, .010 is .010. It's up to the user to determine the reel spool capacity based on line diameter, not lb test that uses averages, no other method is available without guessing. Reel mfr's use pound test by average, it's only a starting point. Will my reel hold 150 yards of 50 lb Suffix 832? It will if the reel capacity holds 150 yards of .014 dia 14 lb test mono or 19 lb test .014D mono.
Tom
PS, the data is availble, it's up to the user to make a determination.
The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless.
Heartland reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:31 AM, cgolf said:
The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless.
the slight variance wont make much difference in the long run. Line does not hold that tight of a tolerance across the entire spool. Just need a good average.
Dens228 reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:31 AM, cgolf said:
The whole thing is confusing because Abu states 12 lb 145 yd capacity. Xt 12lb 0.015 while big game 12 lb is 0.014. To get 0.015 in big game it would be 15 lb line. So maybe reel manufacturers should give us diameter since pound test is pretty much useless.
You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......
One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.
Are you an engineer?? 
WRB reply :
If you lookup 6 different brands of mono and average them 12 lb mono is .014 diameter. You reel holds 145 yards of .014 diameter line filled to within 1/16" of the spool rim would be my estimate.
Tom
Heartland reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:30 AM, WRB said:Suffix 832 list it's 40 lb as being .014 diameter equal to 14 lb test mono. I am not sure where Suffix gets their line diameters for mono? Your reel capacity would be based on the average mono dia were 12 lb test is equal to .014 dia.
What reel by model are you trying to evuate for 10 lb mono backing and what brais mfr and lb test are you using?
Tom
come on man you are over complicating this, we are not sending a ship to the moon, we are putting fishing line on a reel a few yards one way or the other is not a game changer.
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:49 AM, WRB said:If you lookup 6 different brands of mono and average them 12 lb mono is .014 diameter. You reel holds 145 yards of .014 diameter line filled to within 1/16" of the spool rim would be my estimate.
Tom
I think this has turned into a whose on first conversation.
So not sure which of us you are replying to, but 60 yards of 30 lb 832 paired with roughly the same amount of 10 lb big game gave me the reel spooled up in the pic above. At this point I pretty much have 10 lB XT and 10 lb big game as my backing line. It seems to have worked out just fine. I don’t use mono anymore so not much reason to have a lot.
I can definitely say this is the most thought I have put into spooling a reel, so I am sure it is better than others I have done in the past.
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:47 AM, Dens228 said:You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......
One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.
Are you an engineer??
No but it is interesting that small of a difference in diameter is an extra 3lbs in breaking strength. A wanna be engineer, I test the stuff they make, but my instincts are pretty good as to guessing/suggesting what the design changes should be. If I could do life over I would study to be an engineer.
WRB reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 11:47 AM, Dens228 said:You are talking 1/1000 of an inch difference in diameter.........you are really overthinking this......
One of my closest friends does this, he's an engineer and over analyzes everything.
Are you an engineer??
You definately are overthinking at .0000, we have using .000 as a reference.
The OP found the solution to his problem.
Tom
Heartland reply :
When you are spooling a lot of reels for customers in a retail setting you do not have the luxury of spooling, un-spooling, re-spooling. The customer says he wants 70-75 yards of the braid he just purchased on each of the these two spools. I am attempting to show an easy way to determine the proper amount of backing to spool on to meet that customers needs. If someone else wants an easy fast way to determine how much backing then this will work, as long as you don't need it to be accurate down to inches.
Dens228 reply :
cgolf reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 9:58 PM, Dens228 said:
Really don't want to argue this, but would you agree that 10lb XT is noticeably thinner than 20 lb xt? There is only 4 thousandths of an inch difference, but at least to me it is noticeable.
Dens228 reply :
On 12/28/2018 at 10:06 PM, cgolf said:Really don't want to argue this, but would you agree that 10lb XT is noticeably thinner than 20 lb xt? There is only 4 thousandths of an inch difference, but at least to me it is noticeable.
This wasn't directed at you.
Choporoz reply :
I put some backing on....usually until I can't see the spool....and then some more. Then I tie braid with an alberto knot and turn the crank until the braid is about ....oh, IDK...a little bit below the edge of the spool.
I'll flip the braid on occasion, usually when I want it on a different reel. When I can cast down to the connection knot, I toss the braid and start over.
WRB reply :
The op has 2 spools of braid, unknown size, 300 yards each spool and 6 reels to fill.
6 divided into 600 yds = 100 yards each reel
The op choose to use 60 yards. 5 reels divided into 300 yds = 60 yards or 1 of the 300 yd spools. The Sixth reel uses 60 yards of 300 yard spool leaving a balance of 240 yards of braid. Interesting thought process.
Peace,
Tom
CrankFate reply :
If the reel is rated for 150 yards of line that is .10 mm, if you use line that is .050 mm on it it will hold 300 yards of line. This is how I do my math with line capacity. But this only matters on an extremely limited shallow spool or if you are fishing something big that runs far an takes hundreds of feet of line. Otherwise you almost always have way more line than you will ever need. But you still need it because an underfilled reel will not cast as good and will (often) have inconsistent drag tension.
WRB reply :
On 12/29/2018 at 1:44 AM, CrankFate said:If the reel is rated for 150 yards of line that is .10 mm, if you use line that is .050 mm on it it will hold 300 yards of line. This is how I do my math with line capacity. But this only matters on an extremely limited shallow spool or if you are fishing something big that runs far an takes hundreds of feet of line. Otherwise you almost always have way more line than you will ever need. But you still need it because an underfilled reel will not cast as good and will (often) have inconsistent drag tension.
.10 mm = .004, .050 mm = .002, your math is correct, may not be appropriate. The op was questioning 10 lb test mono that measure .014D or .35 mm. Using unkonwn or not disclosed diameter braid, how many feet of backing of 10 lb mono should be used?
You can't answer that question without knowing the braid diameter!
Just for debate the reel spools are not linear from arbor to rim regarding line capacity. As the spool fills, the circumference increases requiring more line per spool turn as it fills. If you fill the spool 1/2 full with backing, how many feet of .014 D line is required if the spool holds 145 yards? How many feet? Will the reel now hold 60 yards of braid?
The op choose to fill the spool with 60 yards of braid, then add enough mono to fill the spool. The line is now on backwards, so the op reeled the line off of the spooled reel onto to a empty reel spool. Don't know if the op measured the mono after the first reel or repeated the process? This solved the op's problem.
100 or 75 yards would have been a better choice IMO, who cares! Definately a winter thread discussion.
Tom
cgolf reply :
On 12/29/2018 at 2:12 AM, WRB said:.10 mm = .004, .050 mm = .002, your math is correct, may not be appropriate. The op was questioning 10 lb test mono that measure .014D or .35 mm. Using unkonwn or not disclosed diameter braid, how many feet of backing of 10 lb mono should be used?
You can't answer that question without knowing the braid diameter!
Just for debate the reel spools are not linear from arbor to rim regarding line capacity. As the spool fills, the circumference increases requiring more line per spool turn as it fills. If you fill the spool 1/2 full with backing, how many feet of .014 D line is required if the spool holds 145 yards? How many feet? Will the reel now hold 60 yards of braid?
The op choose to fill the spool with 60 yards of braid, then add enough mono to fill the spool. The line is now on backwards, so the op reeled the line off of the spooled reel onto to a empty reel spool. Don't know if the op measured the mono after the first reel or repeated the process? This solved the op's problem.
100 or 75 yards would have been a better choice IMO, who cares! Definately a winter thread discussion.
Tom
To clarify the line used was 30 lb suffix 832 for 2 reels and 30 lb suffix performance braid for the 3rd.
For me 60 yards is more than any of my other baitcasters and I have never had a reel get to the backing. When I flip the braid on my other reels I might post the numbers of what is actually left on there. My Lews crush had 50 yards of 50 lb power pro on it.
Definetly a winter topic, that I never expected such a debate on. @Delaware Valley Tackle Definitely made me feel better about my line length choice.
Tom I would hazard a guess that you do a lot of deep water fishing? I rarely target bass deeper than 13 to 20 feet depending on the weed edge. Walleye trolling is where I put out the most line.
WRB reply :
Just trying to help, 30 lb Suffix braid is .011 Dia, small dia braid equal to average 8 lb mono. You have 600 yards of braid line, 2 spools 300 yds each.
Braid is much lighter line then mono, so more braid will reduce spool weight and cast better. You want the joining knot from the backing to the braid deep enough into the spool so it doesn't bother your casting. Depth of water has little to do with casting distances.
Good luck with your set up.
Tom
Heartland reply :
On 12/29/2018 at 2:47 AM, cgolf said:To clarify the line used was 30 lb suffix 832 for 2 reels and 30 lb suffix performance braid for the 3rd.
For me 60 yards is more than any of my other baitcasters and I have never had a reel get to the backing. When I flip the braid on my other reels I might post the numbers of what is actually left on there. My Lews crush had 50 yards of 50 lb power pro on it.
Definetly a winter topic, that I never expected such a debate on. @Delaware Valley Tackle Definitely made me feel better about my line length choice.
Tom I would hazard a guess that you do a lot of deep water fishing? I rarely target bass deeper than 13 to 20 feet depending on the weed edge. Walleye trolling is where I put out the most line.
What line did you use for backing, or if known what is its dia. I will show you the easy math with an explanation if you can share this. Just to end what should have been very simple.
cgolf reply :
On 12/29/2018 at 8:41 AM, Heartland said:What line did you use for backing, or if known what is its dia. I will show you the easy math with an explanation if you can share this. Just to end what should have been very simple.
I could have done the math but would have needed to use the line counter wth the big game, but this method was easy enough and honestly being the off season here gives me something to do and still think about being on the water next year.
Heartland reply :
cool
cgolf reply :
It was interesting while unspooling my 2 accurists. One with 50 lb power pro only had 35 yards on it, it now has 60 of 30 lb 832.
The second had 65 yds of 30 lb 832 which I ended up flipping since it had a fair bit of use.
Still have one other reel to check out. If it has at least 50 yards of 30 lb 832 on it I will flip it and call it good or it gets new line and backing.
CrankFate reply :
On 12/29/2018 at 2:12 AM, WRB said:.10 mm = .004, .050 mm = .002, your math is correct, may not be appropriate. The op was questioning 10 lb test mono that measure .014D or .35 mm. Using unkonwn or not disclosed diameter braid, how many feet of backing of 10 lb mono should be used?
You can't answer that question without knowing the braid diameter!
Just for debate the reel spools are not linear from arbor to rim regarding line capacity. As the spool fills, the circumference increases requiring more line per spool turn as it fills. If you fill the spool 1/2 full with backing, how many feet of .014 D line is required if the spool holds 145 yards? How many feet? Will the reel now hold 60 yards of braid?
The op choose to fill the spool with 60 yards of braid, then add enough mono to fill the spool. The line is now on backwards, so the op reeled the line off of the spooled reel onto to a empty reel spool. Don't know if the op measured the mono after the first reel or repeated the process? This solved the op's problem.
100 or 75 yards would have been a better choice IMO, who cares! Definately a winter thread discussion.
Tom
Whoa, complicated. You’re right, but for my reels almost every spool has more line than I need. When capacity is an issue on small reels, why not just ditch the backer, tie directly to the spool and then use only line with a public line diameter available? My kids use Spirex RD 100’s so I put the thinnest line I could find in rainbow color (they requested rainbow) and it gives about double the 95 yards of 10lb power pro the reels supposedly hold.
Heartland reply :
Here is how I figure out how much mono backing to use for a predetermined amount of main line.
Spool Capacity = 145 yards of 10lb mono @ .014 145 X .014 = 2.03
Main Line = 75 yards of braid @ .011 dia 75 X .011 = .825
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Subtract = 1.205
Divide result by dia. of mono backing 1.205 / .012 = 100.41
Backing Line = 8lb mono @ .012 dia
Using this example you would use 100.41 yards of the 8lb mono and then 75 yards of braid to fill the spool (aprox.)
I have done it this way for years and it will get you very close, but you still need a line counter.
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