Fluoro For Spinning Outfit 2025
Abu Vasili reply :
Good afternoon,
I have had major issues with my fluoro line getting twisted when using my spinning reels. I use the plain old Berkley Vanish and it is typically 8lbs test on my Abu Garcia STX reels. I love the feel of fluoro and really don’t want to go back to using mono for the specific scenarios that I am using this outfit in. I have tried KVD's Line and Lure Magic and it certainly helps, but I still find myself with major twists. I also am finding myself having to re-line every other trip because of the knots created from the line twists. The only time this doesn’t happen is when I have very little line on my spool, which isn’t really a great way to fish. I am at a loss. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thank you in advance for your help.
pitchinthejig reply :
depends on the lure you are fishing, some lures will twist line really bad and you need to use a swivel to prevent it... if you arent using a lure known to cause bad line twist.. if not that then check your line roller bearing and make sure its not froze up
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 4:52 AM, Long-Range-Junkie said:depends on the lure you are fishing, some lures will twist line really bad and you need to use a swivel to prevent it... if you arent using a lure known to cause bad line twist.. if not that then check your line roller bearing and make sure its not froze up
Typically I am fishing a tube, senko, or jig of some sort; obviuosly of which, I do not use a swivel for.
BILLYsobx reply :
I use Berkley Vanish 10# on my Tierra and it works fine. I use KVD Line and Lure conditioner also. Must be your bearing as mentioned above
roadwarrior reply :
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Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 5:30 AM, BILLYsobx said:I use Berkley Vanish 10# on my Tierra and it works fine. I use KVD Line and Lure conditioner also. Must be your bearing as mentioned above
Gentlemen,
I am 100% that it is not the bearing, as my Spinning Reels are brand new. It would be strangely coincidental that they are they both messed up... at least I think so. Could it have something to do with the way I am lining my spools?
BILLYsobx reply :
I spool straight off the top of the spool. I didn't know your reels were brand new sorry.If you are spooling with the spool flat it will immediately start twisting in my experience.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
Do you click your bail manually?
Click your bail manually, and give a pull on the line to straiten it out. For things that will twist your line, use a very small spro swivel.
FWIW I've had Abu spinning reels give me issues also, even when using the same sized reel from someone else with no problems.
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 9:52 AM, BILLYsobx said:I spool straight off the top of the spool. I didn't know your reels were brand new sorry.If you are spooling with the spool flat it will immediately start twisting in my experience.
No need to aplogize; great thing to consider for future reference. I need to start spooling straight of the top, I am spooling it flat; I think that might be a major contributing factor.
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 10:23 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:Do you click your bail manually?
Click your bail manually, and give a pull on the line to straiten it out. For things that will twist your line, use a very small spro swivel.
FWIW I've had Abu spinning reels give me issues also, even when using the same sized reel from someone else with no problems.
It's funny you say that, I was playing around today at the river. I almost never click the bail manually, however, today, after noticing the line twisting terribly, I started to do exactly what you are saying. I will have to start getting used to manually clicking the bail and giving it a pull to straighten out. Thanks for the tip.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 10:59 AM, Abu Vasili said:It's funny you say that, I was playing around today at the river. I almost never click the bail manually, however, today, after noticing the line twisting terribly, I started to do exactly what you are saying. I will have to start getting used to manually clicking the bail and giving it a pull to straighten out. Thanks for the tip.
It's better for the reel too.
Honestly, once you do it awhile, you won't notice the difference otherwise. It will just be second nature.
K_Mac reply :
Manually closing the bail changed fishing for me. I don't have to worry much about twist anymore-thank goodness.
One other trick that works for me: As the bait touches down I feather the line with my index finger against the lip of the spool and lift the rod tip slightly as I close the bail. This eliminates loose line and twisting as I begin to reel. Like thumbing the spool on a baitcaster, once you do it enough it almost happens from muscle memory. Good luck.
ww2farmer reply :
I gave up using flourocarbon as a mainline on spinning gear. Did not matter what brand I used, if I did or didn't use line conditioner, etcc.... I just couldn't stand it. I now use it 4' at a time tied to braid main line with the alberto knot. That knot has not cost me one fish all season.
SirSnookalot reply :
It's the reel, I have 4 soron stx's, one ( a 4000 which is brand new ) gets line twist very bad and others also but not to the same degree and I'm using braid, the line twist causes terrible wind knots. I always use BB swivels and close the bail by hand, spoons get thrown a lot, doesn't help I use a little less than about 1/2 of a spool maybe 80 or 90 yds of 20# braid, I no longer have the problem. I use this combo for inshore use, none of my other inshore outfits have this problem.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/21/2011 at 12:45 AM, SirSnookalot said:It's the reel, I have 4 soron stx's, one ( a 4000 which is brand new ) gets line twist very bad and others also but not to the same degree and I'm using braid, the line twist causes terrible wind knots. I always use BB swivels and close the bail by hand, spoons get thrown a lot, doesn't help I use a little less than about 1/2 of a spool maybe 80 or 90 yds of 20# braid, I no longer have the problem. I use this combo for inshore use, none of my other inshore outfits have this problem.
Very well could be the reel. I've seen several instances actually of people using the same line on similar sized but different reels, one have all sorts of issues and another not having issues.
I like to use smaller reels than most use. Pflueger supreme 8030's. I've found they manage line great. Even without wizbang line management features. Abu reels I've used were terrible, and I quit using all but one, and that one is a big spool reel w/braid on it.
SirSnookalot reply :
I do like my Abu sorons, especially in saltwater, but any new purchases most likely will not be an Abu, too many line issues, I pretty much have my mind up what direction I will be taking.
dodgeguy reply :
also vanish is the worst flouro made.try seguar inviszx.
Jim_M reply :
I use fluoro leaders only. Whatever one needs to use the stuff fully spooled up on a spinning reel escapes me. I completely buy into the invisible line thing. Just not 110 yards of it. A bit more than the water clarity and I call it good. But as my signature says... 
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 9:32 PM, K_Mac said:Manually closing the bail changed fishing for me. I don't have to worry much about twist anymore-thank goodness.
One other trick that works for me: As the bait touches down I feather the line with my index finger against the lip of the spool and lift the rod tip slightly as I close the bail. This eliminates loose line and twisting as I begin to reel. Like thumbing the spool on a baitcaster, once you do it enough it almost happens from muscle memory. Good luck.
Great information! Thank you so much. I am definately going to start using this method.
On a side note: I find it so strange that some individuals are convinced that it is the ABU Reels that are causing the problem... I did a lot of research before purchasing these reels. It blows my mind that line twists never came up as one of the major problems when I was researching this product. I love the way the reel handles; its just those d**n line twists that frustrate me.
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/21/2011 at 7:06 PM, dodgeguy said:also vanish is the worst flouro made.try seguar inviszx.
Is this true? I haven’t toyed with too many types of fluoro, but I always liked the feel of vanish for the price. Could this be a contributing factor to my line twists as well...?
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/21/2011 at 10:07 PM, Abu Vasili said:Is this true? I haven’t toyed with too many types of fluoro, but I always liked the feel of vanish for the price. Could this be a contributing factor to my line twists as well...?
I'm not sure about line twist since I haven't used it, but I have been in the boat with my brother and witnessed him have multiple breakoffs using the stuff.
It's bad enough he switched to Viscous flourocarbon and loves the stuff compared to the Vanish.
FWIW 100% Flourocarbon from Berkley really isn't a bad line. It's my second choice-but I haven't and WILL NOT use some of these high dollar spools costing 25-40 bucks.
K_Mac reply :
QuoteOn a side note: I find it so strange that some individuals are convinced that it is the ABU Reels that are causing the problem... I did a lot of research before purchasing these reels. It blows my mind that line twists never came up as one of the major problems when I was researching this product. I love the way the reel handles; its just those d**n line twists that frustrate me.
The individuals who have come to the conclusion that these reels can cause problems in this area have done so based on experience. I don't find that strange at all. They have shared their experience with you in attempt to help with your line twist issue. SirSnook, for example, fishes with spinning reels only and spends far more time fishing than most, much of it in saltwater. He may not be the definitive authority on spinning reels, but his experience does give him some authority IMO. You will have to decide whether your issues are caused by the reel, line, your technique, or some combination of these. Good luck.
FWIW I use BPS Pro Qualifier baitcast reels. They have served me well and I consider them to be great value reels. There are other credible folks on this forum that consider them junk. I have read and considered their opinions, and buy them anyway. That is not strange-it is just fishing.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/21/2011 at 11:36 PM, K_Mac said:The individuals who have come to the conclusion that these reels can cause problems in this area have done so based on experience. I don't find that strange at all. They have shared their experience with you in attempt to help with your line twist issue. SirSnook, for example, fishes with spinning reels only and spends far more time fishing than most, much of it in saltwater. He may not be the definitive authority on spinning reels, but his experience does give him some authority IMO. You will have to decide whether your issues are caused by the reel, line, your technique, or some combination of these. Good luck.
FWIW I use BPS Pro Qualifier baitcast reels. They have served me well and I consider them to be great value reels. There are other credible folks on this forum that consider them junk. I have read and considered their opinions, and buy them anyway. That is not strange-it is just fishing.
Good Post.
FWIW I don't mean to imply that all Abu spinning reels have poor line management. Just in my experience, the ones I've used, and the ones others have used that I have fished with have had problems.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 10:56 AM, Abu Vasili said:No need to aplogize; great thing to consider for future reference. I need to start spooling straight of the top, I am spooling it flat; I think that might be a major contributing factor.
To avoid line twist while spooling you need to lie the spool flat and be sure the coils are coming off the same way they are being wound. If using a spindle, spool off the bottom for spinning reels and off the top for baitcasters.
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/21/2011 at 11:36 PM, K_Mac said:The individuals who have come to the conclusion that these reels can cause problems in this area have done so based on experience. I don't find that strange at all. They have shared their experience with you in attempt to help with your line twist issue. SirSnook, for example, fishes with spinning reels only and spends far more time fishing than most, much of it in saltwater. He may not be the definitive authority on spinning reels, but his experience does give him some authority IMO. You will have to decide whether your issues are caused by the reel, line, your technique, or some combination of these. Good luck.
FWIW I use BPS Pro Qualifier baitcast reels. They have served me well and I consider them to be great value reels. There are other credible folks on this forum that consider them junk. I have read and considered their opinions, and buy them anyway. That is not strange-it is just fishing.
I do appreciate ALL Feedback. I didn’t mean to sound rude. I just wish when I was doing my research this would have been noted by someone about these reels; that’s what I find strange about it. SirSnook has helped me countless times with his feedback; not only in this topic but also in others. I will continue to try to use these reels and try some of the techniques others have used to prevent line twists from happening. Obviously If it continues to twist, by process of elimination; I will know that it is truly the reels causing the issue. Thanks for your feedback.
SirSnookalot reply :
My abu spinning reels are only used for casting and only braid is used and in saltwater. The water itself has no effect on twist or knots but imo the wind conditions are more prominent, calm wind produces far less problems. Yes, braid will twist under certain conditions, that would be a bait like a spoon and in my case barracuda tubes which constantly spin 360 degrees.
There is one application that I do use clear line ( mono, copoly etc) that is drift fishing in the ocean, these spinning reels are 8000 series or larger. Twist happens each and every outing without fail and is caused by 2 actions. The first happens when using baits like a ballyhoo or sardine which are about 6" long, they constantly turn around and around twist up your line, swivels help some but not much. Second reason is the way the line gets loaded back onto the spool as your cranking in. A spinning reel spool is in a fixed position mounted straight and the line is wrapped around the spool, a b/c spool is at a 90 angle to the rod and gathers the line itself by rotating, gets no twist.
I just get the line on the reel knowing the first thing i do before fishing is to troll the line out ( twists in braid will not troll out), I troll my line out before every outing. Just a mention, a b/c will get line twist from using the baits like a sardine for the same bait rotating situation, most will never encounter that problem as you don't fish that technique.
I am almost 100% convinced the reel is the major problem, but the way thre line loads back on to the reel contributes. I really like these abus, the drags are some of the best and the reels are built rock solid. That said and not wanting to start a reel debate, my stradics have never encountered that twist or wind knot problem, I do feel they are not built as solid. Don't get me wrong stradic is an excellent reel.
I know in my head what i was trying to say, hope it makes sense on paper..lol
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/22/2011 at 12:39 AM, SirSnookalot said:My abu spinning reels are only used for casting and only braid is used and in saltwater. The water itself has no effect on twist or knots but imo the wind conditions are more prominent, calm wind produces far less problems. Yes, braid will twist under certain conditions, that would be a bait like a spoon and in my case barracuda tubes which constantly spin 360 degrees.
There is one application that I do use clear line ( mono, copoly etc) that is drift fishing in the ocean, these spinning reels are 8000 series or larger. Twist happens each and every outing without fail and is caused by 2 actions. The first happens when using baits like a ballyhoo or sardine which are about 6" long, they constantly turn around and around twist up your line, swivels help some but not much. Second reason is the way the line gets loaded back onto the spool as your cranking in. A spinning reel spool is in a fixed position mounted straight and the line is wrapped around the spool, a b/c spool is at a 90 angle to the rod and gathers the line itself by rotating, gets no twist.
I just get the line on the reel knowing the first thing i do before fishing is to troll the line out ( twists in braid will not troll out), I troll my line out before every outing. Just a mention, a b/c will get line twist from using the baits like a sardine for the same bait rotating situation, most will never encounter that problem as you don't fish that technique.
I am almost 100% convinced the reel is the major problem, but the way thre line loads back on to the reel contributes. I really like these abus, the drags are some of the best and the reels are built rock solid. That said and not wanting to start a reel debate, my stradics have never encountered that twist or wind knot problem, I do feel they are not built as solid. Don't get me wrong stradic is an excellent reel.
I know in my head what i was trying to say, hope it makes sense on paper..lol
Awesome post. You are the man. Not only does it make sense; it is extremely useful information. I appreciate your time and thoroughness in your feedback.
natanestaban reply :
Braid or Nanofil with a flouro leader is the way to go unless you plan to use the rod for topwaters. Some braids are better than others on a spinning reel. Power Pro is good. I haven't tried Nanofil yet but I understand it's worth every penny.
Hyrule Bass reply :
ive never thought fluoro and spinning reels were a good combo together, and that fluoro was more suited to baitcasters. try using another line with a fluoro leader and see if you still have the line twist problems, though im not big on using leaders that often either...
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/22/2011 at 11:49 PM, Red Earth said:ive never thought fluoro and spinning reels were a good combo together, and that fluoro was more suited to baitcasters. try using another line with a fluoro leader and see if you still have the line twist problems, though im not big on using leaders that often either...
Keep in mind I don't use braid/flouro leader setups on spinning reels, so that is why I'm asking the questions I'm going to ask.
For me, the biggest reason I would use flouro is it's more dense, therefore sinks. Because of this you have more direct contact with light weight baits. Less line bow, less effected by wind/current etc.
Aren't you giving up this benefit by going to braid/flouro leader?
Sure you have the invisibility benefits of flouro but not density.
To answer my own question, is it because the diameter of the braid can be so small so as to offset the fact it isn't a sinking line?
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 11/22/2011 at 11:51 AM, natanestaban said:Braid or Nanofil with a flouro leader is the way to go unless you plan to use the rod for topwaters. Some braids are better than others on a spinning reel. Power Pro is good. I haven't tried Nanofil yet but I understand it's worth every penny.
Ive tried it for a while and wouldnt say its worth the price, its good, but should be more arond $10. The knot strength and break point limit the value a bit. Like #6 rated line is just that #6 no more. To me line management and light bait throwing distance is where the line has its strenght.
Abu Vasili reply :
On 11/20/2011 at 9:32 PM, K_Mac said:Manually closing the bail changed fishing for me. I don't have to worry much about twist anymore-thank goodness.
One other trick that works for me: As the bait touches down I feather the line with my index finger against the lip of the spool and lift the rod tip slightly as I close the bail. This eliminates loose line and twisting as I begin to reel. Like thumbing the spool on a baitcaster, once you do it enough it almost happens from muscle memory. Good luck.
Best advice I have ever recieved. Used this method all today... you are right, it starts to happen from muscle memory and has saved my line twist issus. I will never not manually close the bail going forward. I cannot thank you enough.
K_Mac reply :
Abu I am glad it worked for you. I learned that trick on this site, so I'm just passing it on.
SirSnookalot reply :
As I tried to explain in post #26 line twist on spinning gear is caused in part on how the line gets fed back onto the spool during retrieve,I can't take credit as I read this someplace years ago. I am an advocate of closing the bail manually, it seems to be easier and it may put less wear and tear on the reel. I do not feel closing by hand has anything to do with line twist, all you have done is closed the bail, nothing more. The line twist is about physics and how the line gets fed back onto the spool..............bait issues as well when they revolve too much as in plastics, or trolling with certain spoons. Not to get too far off track but I will always use a swivel to attach my leader, BB prefered, it will not eliminate the problem but does help some.
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