6:4:1 Gear Ratio.....ugh?!!! 2024
tcbass reply :
So I have 2 new Abu Garcia Revo Rockets but they don't have line on them yet. I went fishing today with my friend and used my Abu Garcia Revo SX with a 6:4:1 gear ratio. I caught about 7 bass on topwater walking the dog and lost about 3. One was a really big bass. I was using a KVD Sexy Dawg most on all of my losses and the hooks are super sharp on this brand new lure.
On the ones I lost, I set the hook pretty solidly and as I attempted to reel in the slack to set the hook again the fish would be gone. I kept the rod high with a lot of bend in it as to keep the pressure on the fish but they still got off. And I had reeled like a madman to get the slack in. I think if I had had a faster gear ratio I could have taken up the slack quicker and set the hook again and not lost those fish.
Am I wrong to think that?
FlipSide reply :
You were probably setting the hook with to much force
tcbass reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:24 AM, FlipSide said:You were probably setting the hook with to much force
The first hook sets where weak. That's why I was going for a second.
David D. reply :
Treble hooks don't need a very hard hook set. You probably yanked it out of the fish's mouth.
Jrob78 reply :
Sometimes they just slap at topwater baits and don't actually get the hooks in their mouths well. You aren't going to catch every fish that bites, especially on topwater baits.
Raul reply :
Dude, make better hooksets ! I' ve caught thousands of fish with reels much slower than yours.
flyfisher reply :
to be able to do a second hook set it usually means you have slack in the system somewhere which means lost fish. I would also agree with everyone else....treble baits don't need a hero hook set.
Also the difference between a 6.4:1 and a 7.1:1 you are talking about 3" per turn which is not much at all. A faster ratio reel wouldn't have helped you in my opinion
K_Mac reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:44 AM, Raul said:Dude, make better hooksets ! I' ve caught thousands of fish with reels much slower than yours.
That's funny! True for me as well. It wasn't long ago when 5 something was as fast as you could find. We still managed to catch an occasional fish...
Most of my reels are 6.4ish, and if I could only have one, a reel with a 26-28 IPT would be my choice. Turning a fish in heavy cover is one spot where a little faster is handy. The other is ripping a bait back to the boat to get it back in the zone.
Felix77 reply :
Already said. The issue isn't the reel. My setup is 6'6" MH rod, Abu Silver Max and 15lb mono.
I primarily fish the chrome Sexy Dawg with no issues. The only change was Mustad hooks.
Wait to feel the bass pulling and then set the hook. Keep plugging away at it!
dam0007 reply :
I sweep steady and smooth on everything with trebles.
Raul reply :
My oldest BC reels are XLT Plus series Abus, 521 XLT Plus Ambassadeur ...... 4.7: 1, about 19" IPT, man it was a real " burner " !On 6/10/2014 at 8:52 AM, K_Mac said:That's funny! True for me as well. It wasn't long ago when 5 something was as fast as you could find. We still managed to catch an occasional fish...
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Catch and Grease reply :
Lol I still use my bantam 100's and I'm not sure what the gear ratio is exactly but it has to be somewhere between 4-5 haha
Raul reply :
4.7:1, another water smoker.On 6/10/2014 at 10:03 AM, Catch and Grease said:Lol I still use my bantam 100's and I'm not sure what the gear ratio is exactly but it has to be somewhere between 4-5 haha
Tywithay reply :
You set the hook, then reeled in slack to set it again. You've already identified the problem. If you set the hook and allow any slack, chances are that the fish will come off. There's no need to set it again for any reason. Set it once, keep the line tight, and start bringing them in.
Grantman83 reply :
It's funny, when I first got into fishing, all I had were super fast reels except for cranking. Now I have several 6.1-6.5 gear ratios as they just seem to be better all purpose ESPECIALLY with moving baits. Topwaters can be fished just fine with that gear ratio. The issue is the treble hooks, not the speed of the reel. If it was all about speed, nobody would catch a crankbait fish lol
Catch and Grease reply :
I've talked to people who only use slow reels like 6 or below for everything, I just think they're crazy and really at a disadvantage, the only time I use a 5.5 is for deep cranks not one other thing except the occasional deep spinnerbait. If your using a 5.5 reel for Texas rigs, spinnerbaits, etc. . you need to just try a 7 or 8:1 reel for awhile and see if you ever go back...
Its funny because they always say that the power is why they like the low speed reels haha
I did however see a video awhile back (don't know how long ago) of KVD using a 5 something for a lipless crank and he said he used it so he wouldn't reel to fast lol
GADawgs reply :
I agree with what everyone else has said. Shouldn't be an issue of the gear ratio
Crankinstein reply :
You could always work on pausing a second or two longer from the strike to the first hookset to ensure the fish has the lure in its mouth. I've seen a lot of pros say a good 1-2 second wait can help with the hookset on topwater baits.
Capt.Bob reply :
Yep part of topwater fishing, I have had mornings where most fish were lost, and the ones that weren't were all hooked anywhere but in the mouth! But I still love watching them blow up on em!!! 
bassin is addicting reply :
imo.. there is really no "hookset" on a topwater with treble hooks...they either have it or they don't..i pause..then sweep...
i agree with Felix....change the hooks to a good sticky hooks...that will definitley help too..
B@ssCrzy reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 12:32 AM, bassin is addicting said:imo.. there is really no "hookset" on a topwater with treble hooks...they either have it or they don't..i pause..then sweep...
i agree with Felix....change the hooks to a good sticky hooks...that will definitley help too..
Agree with this....trebels hook themselves.
BrianinMD reply :
As the saying goes "set it, then forget it", never ever allow slack in the line after hookset. Even if you don't think it was a solid hookset, the slack line will result in more lost fish than ones caught due to a 2nd hookset.
tbone1993 reply :
Always follow up a topwater strike with a soft plastic. I turn most of my missed strikes into landed fish this way. Also to anyone saying high speed reels arent necessary go fish small mouth on a 5:4 ratio when they pick up and run with it. You'll wish you had the 7:1 or even 8:1 to catch up to them.
robster80 reply :
if the curado i was in 8:1 id have an 8:1
BassWhole! reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:18 AM, tcbass said:Am I wrong to think that?
Yes. "Tis a poor craftman that blames his tools"
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:18 AM, tcbass said:So I have 2 new Abu Garcia Revo Rockets but they don't have line on them yet. I went fishing today with my friend and used my Abu Garcia Revo SX with a 6:4:1 gear ratio. I caught about 7 bass on topwater walking the dog and lost about 3. One was a really big bass. I was using a KVD Sexy Dawg most on all of my losses and the hooks are super sharp on this brand new lure.
On the ones I lost, I set the hook pretty solidly and as I attempted to reel in the slack to set the hook again the fish would be gone. I kept the rod high with a lot of bend in it as to keep the pressure on the fish but they still got off. And I had reeled like a madman to get the slack in. I think if I had had a faster gear ratio I could have taken up the slack quicker and set the hook again and not lost those fish.
Am I wrong to think that?
was your hookset high? you should use a side/sweeping hookset with trebles. also reel in most if not all the slack before you set the hook. gear ratio isnt your problem, it seems like technique. you should not have a slack line after a hookset unless the fish is already gone...only thing i can think of otherwise is the fish were swimming at you really fast lol
On 6/11/2014 at 5:09 AM, tbone1993 said:Always follow up a topwater strike with a soft plastic.
i think this is sound advice. i was fishing a pond a couple weekends ago. and my bro in law and uncle and me were standing there talking. a bass broke the surface chasing bluegill right in front of us. i said watch this, he missed the bluegill so he will hit this worm immediately. i pitched out my t-rigged weightless worm just past where the fish broke, never hit the bottom and i was setting the hook into a bass...
tcbass reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 7:48 AM, Red Earth said:was your hookset high? you should use a side/sweeping hookset with trebles. also reel in most if not all the slack before you set the hook. gear ratio isnt your problem, it seems like technique. you should not have a slack line after a hookset unless the fish is already gone...only thing i can think of otherwise is the fish were swimming at you really fast lol
i think this is sound advice. i was fishing a pond a couple weekends ago. and my bro in law and uncle and me were standing there talking. a bass broke the surface chasing bluegill right in front of us. i said watch this, he missed the bluegill so he will hit this worm immediately. i pitched out my t-rigged weightless worm just past where the fish broke, never hit the bottom and i was setting the hook into a bass...
Yeah, I was setting the high, not to the side. That's not good. lol.
ColdSVT reply :
Lol man i remember when 6.2 was silly fast...i think my firat bc was 5.1 or so lol
Fish Murderer 71 reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:18 AM, tcbass said:So I have 2 new Abu Garcia Revo Rockets but they don't have line on them yet. I went fishing today with my friend and used my Abu Garcia Revo SX with a 6:4:1 gear ratio. I caught about 7 bass on topwater walking the dog and lost about 3. One was a really big bass. I was using a KVD Sexy Dawg most on all of my losses and the hooks are super sharp on this brand new lure.
On the ones I lost, I set the hook pretty solidly and as I attempted to reel in the slack to set the hook again the fish would be gone. I kept the rod high with a lot of bend in it as to keep the pressure on the fish but they still got off. And I had reeled like a madman to get the slack in. I think if I had had a faster gear ratio I could have taken up the slack quicker and set the hook again and not lost those fish.
Am I wrong to think that?
IMO... theres your problem... keep the tip down with steady retrieve.
tcbass reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 12:37 AM, Fish Murderer 71 said:IMO... theres your problem... keep the tip down with steady retrieve.
Why?
Capt.Bob reply :
IMO... theres your problem... keep the tip down with steady retrieve.
On 6/12/2014 at 1:01 AM, tcbass said:Why?
Because if you don't you will likely loose more fish, it will help keep the fish in the water on the retrieve, you want to coax it to stay down, It is just More,,,,,, F o r g i v e n e s s ! ! ! ! !
tcbass reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 1:31 AM, Capt.Bob said:IMO... theres your problem... keep the tip down with steady retrieve.
Because if you don't you will likely loose more fish, it will help keep the fish in the water on the retrieve, you want to coax it to stay down, It is just More,,,,,, F o r g i v e n e s s ! ! ! ! !
Ok. I'll try that next time.
Fish Murderer 71 reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 1:01 AM, tcbass said:Why?
The tip usually controls the direction the fish will travel. High tips will usually cause the fish to jump, a bass will shake a lure loose in a heartbeat when it comes out the water because it causes slack in the line. Cant tell you how many times I've had a big un spit the lure at me when it jumps. It'll make a grown man wanna cry!
tcbass reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 1:57 AM, Fish Murderer 71 said:The tip usually controls the direction the fish will travel. High tips will usually cause the fish to jump, a bass will shake a lure loose in a heartbeat when it comes out the water because it causes slack in the line. Cant tell you how many times I've had a big un spit the lure at me when it jumps. It'll make a grown man wanna cry!
Yeah, I go tip down when I think they are getting ready to jump to keep them down. But when I lost these fish they weren't doing that.
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