Questions about Daiwa? 2024
Etxwormwiggler reply :
I recently bought my first Daiwa (Tatula CT). I loved it so much I put a Tatula SV on lay-away today. From what I’ve been reading, the Fuego CT is just a Tatula CT without the TWS. Is the tatula worth the extra cash over the Fuego? Is the tatula 100 worth it over the CT? Is the SV worth the increased cost over the tat 100?
MN Fisher reply :
I don't know about the SV, but yes...the Fuego CT and Tatula CT are basically the same reel. Only differences are that the Tatula has the T-Wing system vs a standard aperture. The Tatula also has two more bearings...but as they're in the handle knobs, they don't do anything for the internals.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 4:25 AM, MN Fisher said:I don't know about the SV, but yes...the Fuego CT and Tatula CT are basically the same reel. Only differences are that the Tatula has the T-Wing system vs a standard aperture. The Tatula also has two more bearings...but as they're in the handle knobs, they don't do anything for the internals.
This is what I figured. I may get some Fuegos next once I can sell one of my Lew’s. I am excited about the SV once I pay it off, though.
garroyo130 reply :
If you haven't considered it, a fuego with a Tatula CT 100P gear swap makes a great super affordable cranking reel.
928JLH reply :
SV is awesome! Skipping is much easier, and backlashes are almost non existent. Very nice for tournament fishing.
In my honest opinion no the Tatula CT isn't worth extra money over the Fuego CT. It is the same reel minus the TWS system. The T wing never really showed much farther casting difference than my Fuego CTs. T wing is a little more forgiving with skipping, but I learned on a a Fuego CT. Technique is key to avoid birds nests. The Fuego CT is probably one of the best reels for the price out there. Can be found on eBay for the $60 range.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 5:13 AM, garroyo130 said:If you haven't considered it, a fuego with a Tatula CT 100P gear swap makes a great super affordable cranking reel.
Can you elaborate? From my understanding, the Fuego ct and the tatula CT are the same reel other than the t-wing. Why would you gear swap?
garroyo130 reply :
100P is 5.5:1 they dont make a Fuego in that ratio. After shipping parts are about $25 straight from Daiwa.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 7:27 AM, garroyo130 said:100P is 5.5:1 they dont make a Fuego in that ratio
Oh, I see. I typically run faster gear ratios and just slow down my retrieve so my reels will be more versatile if I decide I don’t want to crank with it anymore.
On 1/8/2020 at 5:27 AM, 928JLH said:SV is awesome! Skipping is much easier, and backlashes are almost non existent. Very nice for tournament fishing.
In my honest opinion no the Tatula CT isn't worth extra money over the Fuego CT. It is the same reel minus the TWS system. The T wing never really showed much farther casting difference than my Fuego CTs. T wing is a little more forgiving with skipping, but I learned on a a Fuego CT. Technique is key to avoid birds nests. The Fuego CT is probably one of the best reels for the price out there. Can be found on eBay for the $60 range.
Ok, here’s another question. Would you rather fish with a Fuego or a much more expensive Lew’s Mach Crush and why?
JediAmoeba reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 5:13 AM, garroyo130 said:If you haven't considered it, a fuego with a Tatula CT 100P gear swap makes a great super affordable cranking reel.
For that price you can just buy a Tatula CT. Why bother going about swapping gears?
garroyo130 reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 7:30 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:Oh, I see. I typically run faster gear ratios and just slow down my retrieve so my reels will be more versatile if I decide I don’t want to crank with it anymore.
Ok, here’s another question. Would you rather fish with a Fuego or a much more expensive Lew’s Mach Crush and why?
That lews is graphite framed. Id go LFS before Mach Crush.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 7:30 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:Oh, I see. I typically run faster gear ratios and just slow down my retrieve so my reels will be more versatile if I decide I don’t want to crank with it anymore.
Ok, here’s another question. Would you rather fish with a Fuego or a much more expensive Lew’s Mach Crush and why?
I'm a two-manufacturer fisher - Pflueger and Diawa for Baitcasters, Pflueger and Mitchell for Spinners.
On 1/8/2020 at 7:58 AM, JediAmoeba said:For that price you can just buy a Tatula CT. Why bother going about swapping gears?
On 1/8/2020 at 8:01 AM, garroyo130 said:That lews is graphite framed. Id go LFS before Mach Crush.
Agreed - I have one 'plastic' frame baitcaster and I'll probably upgrade it to an aluminum frame reel next year.
If you want a 5 speed reel - Amazon has the aluminum framed Pflueger Supreme 5.4 for $79
https://www.amazon.com/Pflueger-Supreme-Baitcasting-Reel-SUP54LPX/dp/B07C9MKWZL/ref=sr_1_26?dchild=1&keywords=pflueger+supreme&qid=1578442465&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-26
garroyo130 reply :
Makes me wonder if they companies have a really good profit margin on these reels.
Seems you see more and more of these popping up. Lews has several and the new Daiwa's are graphite as well.
I guess if the amazon reel companies are taking peoples money then why shouldnt the big players get in on it too?
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 8:20 AM, garroyo130 said:new Daiwa's are graphite as well.
Not all the new ones. The new CA-80 is an aluminum frame edition in the Cx-80 lineup
CC-80 - Carbon Frame
CR-80 - Resin Frame
CG-80 - Graphite Frame
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 8:01 AM, garroyo130 said:That lews is graphite framed. Id go LFS before Mach Crush.
That’s my thinking, too. I much prefer an aluminum frame. But this also makes me wonder why the LFS is $99 compared to the graphite Mach crush being like $160. I have two new mach crush’s I decided I want to sell as soon as I tried the tatula.
On 1/8/2020 at 8:20 AM, garroyo130 said:Makes me wonder if they companies have a really good profit margin on these reels.
Seems you see more and more of these popping up. Lews has several and the new Daiwa's are graphite as well.
I guess if the amazon reel companies are taking peoples money then why shouldnt the big players get in on it too?
Yeah I was kind of surprised when Daiwa had graphite reel with standard mag breaks directly competing with the fuegos magforce Z and aluminum frame.
swhit140 reply :
I have 5 of the Fuego CT reels, it is a good reel. It has a aluminum frame and can be found for $65-80. I've been really happy with mine.
928JLH reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 7:30 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:Oh, I see. I typically run faster gear ratios and just slow down my retrieve so my reels will be more versatile if I decide I don’t want to crank with it anymore.
Ok, here’s another question. Would you rather fish with a Fuego or a much more expensive Lew’s Mach Crush and why?
Fuego. Not only because I am a Daiwa guy, but price to performance aspect can't be beat. I did everything from froggin, flipping, punching, ripping hydrilla, and throw a Gantarel Jr. on a Fuego. Held up great.
Daiwa and Shimano have their own manufacturing centers in Malaysia and Thailand. Not rebranded Korean or Chinese reels like the others for the most part. (Steer clear of the Daiwa CG80)
Boomstick reply :
Some people don't like the T-Wing system, but personally I don't understand why. I mean if you are on a budget, by all means go ahead and get the Fuego, but I can sometimes get a Tatula CT on ebay for as little as $10 more depending on the current pricing, and for only $10 or even $20 or $30 more, the Fuego is going to be a hard sell over the Tatula. I would either have to be really strapped for cash or maybe just need an extra reel that I will only use for very limited presentations. As such, I do have an extra casting rod for which I do not have a reel for and plan to alternate with my 5 casting reels, so maybe a Fuego could see some limited usage in this situation.
The reason I like the T-Wing is simple - on reels that don't have it, when the guide is all the way on one side and you're casting, it slows up your cast, often quite significantly. On the Tatula or reels with the T-Wing system, that simply does not happen. I do not have any issues with my Tatula reels spooling funny either.
garroyo130 reply :
To me its just one more thing that can break which Daiwa may or may not make parts for in the future.
The standard line guide is has proven itself to be more than adequate.
Then again, it could also be that I dislike change and simply don't like it for the same reason I don't like microguides on rods❔
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/9/2020 at 2:46 AM, Boomstick said:Some people don't like the T-Wing system, but personally I don't understand why. I mean if you are on a budget, by all means go ahead and get the Fuego, but I can sometimes get a Tatula CT on ebay for as little as $10 more depending on the current pricing, and for only $10 or even $20 or $30 more, the Fuego is going to be a hard sell over the Tatula. I would either have to be really strapped for cash or maybe just need an extra reel that I will only use for very limited presentations. As such, I do have an extra casting rod for which I do not have a reel for and plan to alternate with my 5 casting reels, so maybe a Fuego could see some limited usage in this situation.
The reason I like the T-Wing is simple - on reels that don't have it, when the guide is all the way on one side and you're casting, it slows up your cast, often quite significantly. On the Tatula or reels with the T-Wing system, that simply does not happen. I do not have any issues with my Tatula reels spooling funny either.
I’ve had no issues with uneven spooling on my tatula either. That being said, I’m not convinced there is any significant gain in casting distance, at least from my personal experience. I’m far more impressed with the magforce Z brakes. But with the Fuego sharing the same braking system and same frame, I began to wonder if the price difference was worth it. Either way, I’m thrilled with my tatula for the price I paid. Worth every penny.
Shimano_1 reply :
I've owned all the reels mentioned. My opinion differs from most. The sv reels for sure are more user friendly and a pleasure to cast. I've owned 3 and they were all louder than I found acceptable and somewhat geary feeling. The Fuego and tatula are identical minus the t wing which I'm not a fan of. The tatula 100 is my favorite based solely on ergonomics. The Fuego can be had for 80, ct for 90-100 and 100 for 100 bucks. Being that close in money I'd go 100. They're all fine reels. My buddy has fished about 10 ct reels hard for a cple years with no maintenance at all and they've held up surprisingly well as he isnt gentle with em.
Boomstick reply :
On 1/9/2020 at 4:44 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:I’ve had no issues with uneven spooling on my tatula either. That being said, I’m not convinced there is any significant gain in casting distance, at least from my personal experience. I’m far more impressed with the magforce Z brakes. But with the Fuego sharing the same braking system and same frame, I began to wonder if the price difference was worth it. Either way, I’m thrilled with my tatula for the price I paid. Worth every penny.
There is only a difference on a normal guide when the guide is far off to a side. On some of my non T-Wing reels, there is definitely is a loss of distance in that scenario, but I can't tell on the T-Wing
Hammer 4 reply :
I have the Feugo, Ct 100, 150, 200, and the Tatula type R. I like them all.
walleyecrazy reply :
On 1/8/2020 at 7:30 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:
Ok, here’s another question. Would you rather fish with a Fuego or a much more expensive Lew’s Mach Crush and why?
I have owned a decent number of Lew's reels, and was dissapointed in the Mach Crush. It just feels cheap and unrefined to me. I have cheaper reels from them that feel way more refined. I have actually been a fan of all the stuff I've had from Lew's with the exception of that reel. I would definitely go with the Daiwa over the Mach Crush.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/10/2020 at 9:43 AM, walleyecrazy said:
I have owned a decent number of Lew's reels, and was dissapointed in the Mach Crush. It just feels cheap and unrefined to me. I have cheaper reels from them that feel way more refined. I have actually been a fan of all the stuff I've had from Lew's with the exception of that reel. I would definitely go with the Daiwa over the Mach Crush.
This was my first experience with Lew’s and I’ve been underwhelmed. They not bad by any means, but I wish I wouldn’t have bought 2. I’d still have enough cash to get my Tatula SV.
garroyo130 reply :
Is the Mach Crush made in Korea or China?
For being a China made reel, the LFS still feels decent enough.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/10/2020 at 10:42 AM, garroyo130 said:Is the Mach Crush made in Korea or China?
For being a China made reel, the LFS still feels decent enough.
It’s MSRP is $159, so I would imagine it’s in their Korean tier, but I haven’t seen a list of which reels are manufactured in which country. Just speculation.
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/10/2020 at 10:42 AM, garroyo130 said:Is the Mach Crush made in Korea or China?
For being a China made reel, the LFS still feels decent enough.
Update: sticker indicates China.
Jmoney402 reply :
I own a Tatula SV TW that I throw weightless plastics on and love it. I also own a Tatula 100 I like alot, some lews tournament mb's that are ok but the tat 100 and sv's are better. I own a lews bb1 that I like a lot and would get that over the crush, it's at the same $160 price point and can be found cheaper. Casting wise the bb1 is maybe a bit better than a Tatula 100 but I like the feel of the daiwa a bit more due to it being low profile.
I did a fair amount of research on the Tatula Elitex have one on the way and am excited to try in the spring
Etxwormwiggler reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 8:32 AM, Jmoney402 said:I own a Tatula SV TW that I throw weightless plastics on and love it. I also own a Tatula 100 I like alot, some lews tournament mb's that are ok but the tat 100 and sv's are better. I own a lews bb1 that I like a lot and would get that over the crush, it's at the same $160 price point and can be found cheaper. Casting wise the bb1 is maybe a bit better than a Tatula 100 but I like the feel of the daiwa a bit more due to it being low profile.
I did a fair amount of research on the Tatula Elitex have one on the way and am excited to try in the spring
I love my Tatula CT, and I’m still paying on my SV. I really want to try a Tat 100 because I love smaller reels, but I may just go with fuegos for the remainder of my lineup due to the value/cost ratio.
PhishLI reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 8:43 AM, Etxwormwiggler said:I may just go with fuegos for the remainder of my lineup due to the value/cost ratio.
I'm happy to have my 200-300$ reels. I'm buying more for sure. I have my eye on the Elite Long Cast. I like tech and gadgets and gear, but if those more expensive reels were taken away then replaced by Fuegos I wouldn't skip a beat. It's not like a revelation going from a 300$ reel to a Fuego. If anything the Fuego is under priced for what it is. Other than a few more yards that can be gotten using a Curado K with heavier baits, the Fuego is the better all around reel, IMO, as I can definitely throw lighter baits more consistently/better with it. I have one Fuego on a frog rod and the other gets moved from rod to rod depending on what I'm up to. Both have gotten tons of fishing hours and lots of landed fish and are both as smooth as when I got them. My Tat SV went geary and the brake inductor ramp sheared with similar use. Still a fine reel after repairs, but more of a specific use reel than the Fuego, IMO. The point is, you're not making much of a compromise by filling rods with Fuegos instead of something else. It's not a Steez A or an Anteres or a Bantam, but it's not far off in practical use from most of the more reasonably priced expensive reels. Clean and lube the bearings and you're ready to go.
SuperDuty reply :
Very glad I stumbled on this thread! I think I'll have to try out one of these fuegos this summer.
Russ E reply :
I know a lot of people say the tatula ct and the fuego are the same minus the t-wing, but I disagree.
I have two fuegos, four tatula ct and 2 tatula sv reels. . While the Fuegos are nice reels, all four of my Ct reels feel smoother. the tatula sv reels are a lot smoother.
The one benefit of the Fuego is the standard line guide. If you run the line over your finger while retreiving with the T-wing, sometimes the line will not be level on the reel. I use fuegos for super flukes and plastic worms. With everything else I use a Tatula.
swhit140 reply :
I have four Fuego CT, 1 Fuego LT & 1 Tatula CT(import model different finish/knobs), all my Fuego reels I scored between $65 to $75.00. I updated all my reels last season, I had a couple older Curado reels that I sold for $110.00 each so I invested the money into some newer Daiwa reels. So I basically didn't have to invest much money switching out my old models. Now I'm rolling all Daiwa.
Hammer 4 reply :
In my case, my Fuego is as smooth as my other more spendy Diawa reels..I was really surprisedat how smooth it was right out of the box.
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