St. Croix Premier - I shoulda listened to Muddy 2025
Olebiker reply :
I bought a couple of St. Croix Premier rods this year in spite of Muddy telling of problems with the guide inserts falling out. I love the rods, but yesterday the insert in the tip of one of the rods fell out. :'(
The_Natural reply :
I've got three rods right now missing inserts. One is a Lamiglas XMG 50, one is a Daiwa, and one is a Superlite. Guide inserts popping out happens....St. Croix uses the same fuji guides as any other company.
Muddy reply :
That makes 11 Premier rods over 4 members. I would say that is a ST Croix Problem. Never happened with my Fenwicks or Cabelas . not once.
Olebiker reply :
QuoteThat makes 11 Premier rods over 4 members. I would say that is a ST Croix Problem. Never happened with my Fenwicks or Cabelas . not once.
In over 40 years of bass fishing I have never had this problem before.
xxmurrxx reply :
Im sure if you contact St. Croix they would help you with your problem.
I did a rod upgrade, and a rod repair with ease through them.
They always seems to do the best to help me out.
flechero reply :
QuoteI bought a couple of St. Croix Premier rods this year in spite of Muddy telling of problems with the guide inserts falling out. I love the rods, but yesterday the insert in the tip of one of the rods fell out. :'(
Regardless of the posts above, let me suggest that you replace your tips with Alconites (or even Fuji Hardloys) they are an upgrade, more durable than the Batsons but are still under $3 each.
Muddy reply :
Thanks Fletch, I jumped ship and went back to Fenwick, which is where I should have stayed. Don't know till you try. I am also pleased with All Star's and Cabelas Fish Eagle II all three have given nothing short of perfect satisfaction.
flechero reply :
QuoteQuoteThat makes 11 Premier rods over 4 members. I would say that is a ST Croix Problem. Never happened with my Fenwicks or Cabelas . not once.In over 40 years of bass fishing I have never had this problem before.
Well, to keep things in perspective, There probably wasn't a time in those 40 years that you had access to data from 17,000+members and their friends. We get info now that is better than marketing studies of years past, just from member input. We have an international cross section of the fishing public from beginners to pros.
As a side note on the guides... the batson tips aren't bad, they are just not as stout and durable as the fujis. Hit the tips a couple times and inserts get loosened. It just takes more abuse to knock out a fuji insert... but I see a lot of them knocked out as well. (that's why most tackle shops and sporting goods stores carry tips and the tip kits)
Although I am much more careful these days... I have knocked out a 1/2 dozen or so tips in the past.... both fuji and others. It happens.
The_Natural reply :
QuoteI don't know anything as a rod builder... 8-)QuoteI've got three rods right now missing inserts. One is a Lamiglas XMG 50, one is a Daiwa, and one is a Superlite. Guide inserts popping out happens....St. Croix uses the same fuji guides as any other company.Yea and your another expert here huh.. :
Thats why the St.Croix website shows this for the premier series rods
# Premium-quality SCII graphite.
# Outstanding strength, sensitivity and hook-setting power.
# Finely tuned actions and tapers for superior performance.
# Batson Forecast® hard aluminum-oxide guides with double-plated black chrome frames.
# Flanged SiC top on musky models.
# Fuji® ECS or TCS reel seat/frosted silver hood.
# Premium-grade cork handle.
8-)
Didn't claim to be an expert....just sharing my experience. My point was that inserts pop out....Fuji or Batson. I wasn't aware Croix used Batson at all....my Avid has Alconites. Maybe it's worse with the Batson rings, but the problem doesn't seem to descriminate with me.
roadwarrior reply :
The_Natural,
Thank you for a pleasant response to a rather aggressive post.
However, although you may have been mistaken about the guides
used on the Premier, that does not change the fact that you are
in fact, an expert. We appreciate your participation and all of
the helpful advice you contribute to this Forum.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
Global Administrator
Glenn reply :
ddigit's response clearly isn't representative of the fine folks here on the forums. His overly aggressive and negative comments are not appreciated here.
MALTESE FALCON reply :
I second roadwarrior and Glenn's comments.
Falcon
daviscw reply :
Never had any problems with my Premier; I love it to death.
Tokyo Tony reply :
QuoteNever had any problems with my Premier; I love it to death.
x2 - I have a Premier casting rod that's about 2 years old and has gotten beaten up quite a bit. Great spinnerbait/chatterbait rod. No problems at all.
Tin reply :
They were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.
Before making that assumption you'll need to give the Avid and
Legend Elite Series a try. Generally, the Avid is a "best value".
Right now the Legend Elite are on sale for about the same price.
http://www.reedssports.com/Category/main.taf?cat=1754
8-)
mike bat reply :
ive never had this problem ... me and my friends have been fishing premieres for years ,,, never seen this or heard about it till now ... more than likely what happened was a bad batch of eyes were sold to croix ... st croix does have a solid warrenty ,, a great warrenty ... so if you send it in they will take care of you ...
also i must seconed what roadwarrior said .... the avid is one sweet stick ... for the price it really is hard to beat ... if i ever need to buy a rod asap ,, i would buy an avid with out any thought ...
Grey Wolf reply :
I've fished a premier glass rod for three years , no problems yet.
Muddy reply :
Premier Glass have different guides WI guys all love ST Croix, they are a major business for that state I would say a true best value has the name FENWICK on the side, HMG and TECHNIA AV
BTW: St Croix other lines all have great reputations around these parts, I am just partial to the rods I have used for a long time, It is this issue , with Premiers only that is a real , well documented issue that I and my friends have experienced first hand.
Pigsticker reply :
QuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.
No not yet, St. Croix has a lot of unique rod actions that are not offered by any other rod companies for the same price and quality.
Tin reply :
QuoteQuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.Before making that assumption you'll need to give the Avid and
Legend Elite Series a try. Generally, the Avid is a "best value".
Right now the Legend Elite are on sale for about the same price.
http://www.reedssports.com/Category/main.taf?cat=1754
8-)
We are not having this debate again... ;D :
I could spend $300 on one of these, or get a rod just as light and sensitive, if not lighter and more sensitive, for half the price, and still have a lifetime warranty......Orange is where it is at.
And the Avid's have not been the best deal for a while. Even before Carrots there were Airrus's. It's like comparing a broomstick to a feather. ;D
daviscw reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.Before making that assumption you'll need to give the Avid and
Legend Elite Series a try. Generally, the Avid is a "best value".
Right now the Legend Elite are on sale for about the same price.
http://www.reedssports.com/Category/main.taf?cat=1754
8-)
We are not having this debate again... ;D :
I could spend $300 on one of these, or get a rod just as light and sensitive, if not lighter and more sensitive, for half the price, and still have a lifetime warranty......Orange is where it is at.
But it wouldn't say St. Croix on the side, now would it?
Muddy reply :
No it would say AHHH WHAT"S UP DOC
Tin reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.Before making that assumption you'll need to give the Avid and
Legend Elite Series a try. Generally, the Avid is a "best value".
Right now the Legend Elite are on sale for about the same price.
http://www.reedssports.com/Category/main.taf?cat=1754
8-)
We are not having this debate again... ;D :
I could spend $300 on one of these, or get a rod just as light and sensitive, if not lighter and more sensitive, for half the price, and still have a lifetime warranty......Orange is where it is at.
But it wouldn't say St. Croix on the side, now would it?
DING DING, We have a winner!!!
Pigsticker reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThey were my work horses back in the day until I found Kistler's and such. I still own 2, one for spinnerbaits and one for froggin. But St. Croix's are becoming obsolete imo.Before making that assumption you'll need to give the Avid and
Legend Elite Series a try. Generally, the Avid is a "best value".
Right now the Legend Elite are on sale for about the same price.
http://www.reedssports.com/Category/main.taf?cat=1754
8-)
We are not having this debate again... ;D :
I could spend $300 on one of these, or get a rod just as light and sensitive, if not lighter and more sensitive, for half the price, and still have a lifetime warranty......Orange is where it is at.
The legend tournament edition are just like the "new" rods, split grip and no fore grip. And they have a better array of actions, carrot sticks are very limited
flechero reply :
I can't seem to find my hip boots. ;D ;D
UBA reply :
I havn't had any problems with any of my premiers or any of my other St. Croix rods. Could be a problem with batson's guides as mentioned before. St. Croix has an excellent reputation for their customer service so I would contact them about any problems.
The_Natural reply :
QuoteThe_Natural,Thank you for a pleasant response to a rather aggressive post.
However, although you may have been mistaken about the guides
used on the Premier, that does not change the fact that you are
in fact, an expert. We appreciate your participation and all of
the helpful advice you contribute to this Forum.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
Global Administrator
Bahh.....Reel Mech probably just needed some scotch on the rocks. Batson guides only recently started flanging their inserts, and that is why the old Helium's were prone to the inserts popping out.
mike bat reply :
well i dont wanna throw gas on the fire ,, but i have to LOL ... how or why would you even concider compairing a croix to a carrot ?? croix have been around since 1954 ... so why ,, why must we do this ??? please dont compair a company that has payed its dues for over 50 years ... st croix has been will always be in the fishing industry ... so IMO there is no compairison at all ... e21 is a golf club company that decided they wanted to sell fishing rods ... st croix sold fishing rods ,, see the difference ... im not bashing your carrot ,, just stating the facts ...
i know muddy im from WI ,, but even if i wasnt i would still fish st croix ... they do have great rods to offer ... and yes muddy even people that dont live in WI like st croix rods ... ;D
Muddy reply :
Yea and both of them are members here
flechero reply :
QuoteQuoteThe_Natural,Thank you for a pleasant response to a rather aggressive post.
However, although you may have been mistaken about the guides
used on the Premier, that does not change the fact that you are
in fact, an expert. We appreciate your participation and all of
the helpful advice you contribute to this Forum.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
Global Administrator
Bahh.....Reel Mech probably just needed some scotch on the rocks.
Natural,
Just fyi, ReelMech and ddigit are 2 different people...
Tin reply :
QuoteI can't seem to find my hip boots.;D ;D
You know I can't resist St.Croix threads. ;D
NEKvt reply :
I will add that I have returned my legend (fly rod) three times (all my fault) and got not so much as a question, or a bill from St. Croix. I was a little peeved when one time it took two weeks to get back to me, then I sent a rod back to cortland and it took 3 months to get back to me and cost me 60 bucks.
I think if you mentioned this issue to them they would make it right.
djmax22 reply :
I have had guides fall out of both my St Croix Glass Premiere. I own a few St Croix LTB and report no problems with these rods.
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