Doubts with spinning reel adquisiton 2024

maherme reply :

Hello to everybody,

I want to buy a new reel for spinning, I would mainly use for drop shot with braid. Actually I am thinking in Abu Garcia Revo Premier in size 30 because I can buy on sale ????, but I read some issues about this reel, same with Abu Garcia Revo Rocket ... Other options are the Penn Clash in size 2500, I read it is really tough and good reel, or Lew's Metal Crush Speed.

Does someone use any of these reels and could give to me any opinion? Any other reel proposal maybe?

Thanks a lot!

J Francho reply :

Out of what you have listed, I'd go the Abu route, especially if there is a sale. I'm not sure what issues have been out there, other than the typical anecdotal internet cranks that don't understand the concept of returning defective merchandise, and instead shout from the internet rooftops, lol.

Brad Reid reply :

Me, too, like J Francho . . . I'd go with the Abu from those stated choices.

I'd add this, not knowing your price target, that you should also consider a Shimano NASCI if around $100 is in the correct range.

*Not a good choice if you plan to back reel, but other than that, a nice bang for the buck.

Brad

J Francho reply :

The Premier retails for around $250. Puts him in CI4, Ballistic, XT land. The Premier would be a solid choice, if discounted.

maherme reply :

Thanks a lot for yours answers.

J Francho I read bad opinions in this link: https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Abu_Garcia_REVO_Premier_Spinning_Reel/descpage-RPS.html#customer_reviews for this reason I have doubt about purchase the Abu Garcia.

Regards,

J Francho reply :

3 bad comments does make a reel bad. You do realize, people are paid to make these reviews, right? I don't trust any of them. Wait for some replies here, see what REAL people say about it.

maherme reply :

Yes, for sure, that's the reason I posted here. I think Abu Garcia is a good reel brand, but I have been "out of the market" some time, so I prefer to be sure about my adquisition.

Thanks again!

Mobasser reply :

On 10/23/2018 at 9:57 PM, J Francho said:

3 bad comments does make a reel bad. You do realize, people are paid to make these reviews, right? I don't trust any of them. Wait for some replies here, see what REAL people say about it.

Back to the tackle reviews J Franco. Don't trust em either!

GeekFisher reply :

Which rod will you pair it with ? My DropShot setup is a 6'10 ML/XF with a Sedona size 1000 reel. Yours are likely higher end but FWIW that's what I'm using.

J Francho reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 1:34 AM, Mobasser said:

Back to the tackle reviews J Franco. Don't trust em either!

Seven years later, still using this combo.

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/pinnacle-DHC5-performa-review.html

Four years later, still goes with me almost every trip:

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/mat-daddy-helios-review.html

More reviews, here:

https://www.bassresource.com/content/search?SearchText=john+franchot&BrowsePageLimit=30

You can trust mine.

NYWayfarer reply :

I have the Lew's Mach Crush Speed Spin size 300 reel.

Very smooth reel, aluminum frame with the Winn Grip knob. Casts great. The only thing I would change would be the bail wire. I like a thick metal bail wire and this one has the thin wire like my old Shimano's.

All that being said I would recommend this reel however not at the full $99 price point. Shop around, find a better deal on E-bay then go to DSG and let them price match it. I have seen this reel on sale for as low as $75 at times. With % codes you can get it cheaper than that.

maherme reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 1:43 AM, GeekFisher said:

Which rod will you pair it with ? My DropShot setup is a 6'10 ML/XF with a Sedona size 1000 reel. Yours are likely higher end but FWIW that's what I'm using.

A St. Croix Legend Tournament 6'10'' ML XF

On 10/24/2018 at 1:55 AM, NYWayfarer said:

I have the Lew's Mach Crush Speed Spin size 300 reel.

Very smooth aluminum frame reel with the Winn Grip knob. Casts great. The only thing I would change would be the bail wire. I like a thick metal bail wire and this one has the thin wire like my old Shimano's.

All that being said I would recommend this reel however not at the full $99 price point. Shop around, find a better deal on E-bay then go to DSG and let them price match it. I have seen this reel on sale for as low as $75 at times. With % codes you can get it cheaper than that.

Ok, thanks a lot for yours comments, here in Spain this reel is much more expensive than in US. So if 75$ is a fair price I will discard since here I have to pay the double for it. ????.

J Francho reply :

I have a 6-8 MLXF in the Avid, and I use a Stradic CI4. The Premier is similar and would suit it well. If you can get to an actual store, and mount it on your rod, that would be the best. At this price level, we're really just looking for the best feel in your hands. All the reels are great.

WRB reply :

What is the OP's budget?

Tom

maherme reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 2:07 AM, WRB said:

What is the OP's budget?

Tom

About 200$. But the problem with this is some brands which are expensive in US are cheaper in Spain and vice-versa.

I am looking in the high range but not in the top.

DHP reply :

I’ve had the anti-reverse slip issue with my STX30 once or twice and it was cold but it didn’t happen every time. When it did, I had my hand on the handle so it didn’t cause me to lose the fish and it was only for a second and it would reengage. I’d say the temp was in the 40’s. I’ll see if it happens again this winter and if it’s only a grease issue, then I’m sure I could get it cleaned out. Other than that it’s been a great reel and I don’t think it’s much different than the premier and I got it for way less than the $199 msrp on amazon.

WRB reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 2:13 AM, maherme said:

About 200$. But the problem with this is some brands which are expensive in US are cheaper in Spain and vice-versa.

I am looking in the high range but not in the top.

At your price point Shimano Stratic Ci4 2500 would be my choice. With braid or bass fishing you don't need a deep spool high line capacity spinning reel.

I have 3 Stratic reels for 10 years without any issues and thinking about updating to Ci4's but it's hard to change when the reels perform so good. I had the same problem when changing from Daiwa TD SS1300 spinning reels, after changing the shaft bushing to a bearing the old SS1300's still run smooth and are bullet proof.

I would aviod Abu reels today. When fishing with my son he uses my Stradics and I use my old SS1300, feels a little heavy now but no spinning reel cast better or has a smoother more reliable drag.

Tom

FrankN209 reply :

There is the Pflueger Patriarch XT also for that price. I have the Supreme XT and love it.

PatrickKnight reply :

At a $200 price point I would go with a Stradic or one of the LT reels from Daiwa like the Tatula or Ballistic. Any of those would be a better bet than the Abu imo.

Or better yet go on Ebay and for $200 you can get a Daiwa Luvias 2500 and that will be far and away the best you can get for $200. I have owned several Stradics and fished most of the LT line none of them are as solid of a reel as the Luvias is.

waymont reply :

My vote would be a Daiwa Tatula LT 3000 shallow spool version. I have four of them 2-2000, 1-2500 and 1-3000 size

and all are incredible. They preform great with braided line and are super light weight and solid. My 2 cents.

ratherbfishin1 reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 1:43 AM, GeekFisher said:

Which rod will you pair it with ? My DropShot setup is a 6'10 ML/XF with a Sedona size 1000 reel. Yours are likely higher end but FWIW that's what I'm using.

I have a sedona as well and must say I am extremely impressed. I rarely ever use spinning but felt I needed a couple so I got a Sedona because it was fairly inexpensive and I love it! I personally am so glad I went that route and saved some money for tackle and put it towards other rods/reels.

GeekFisher reply :

@maherme you should consider smaller size reel (size 1000 Shimano's or equivalent other Mfr size) to pair it with a ML. You will cut some total weight at the expense of some stopping power. PS. You have bass in Spain ?

Tim Kelly reply :

I would (and did) get any of the Daiwa LT series, to suit your budget. I have dipped my toes in many manufacturer's reels over the years and there is considerably less chance for disappointment if you stick to Shimano and Daiwa. I'm not keen on Shimano spinning reels, so I pretty much have all Daiwas now and the LTs from Fuego to Ballistic are all very nice.

maherme reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 4:22 AM, GeekFisher said:

@maherme you should consider smaller size reel (size 1000 Shimano's or equivalent other Mfr size) to pair it with a ML. You will cut some total weight at the expense of some stopping power. PS. You have bass in Spain ?

Thanks GeekFisher,

Yes we have bass, but only largesmouth bass. But they are smaller than in US, normaly 1-2lb, basses around 4-5lb are rarelly and the Spain récord is about 10lb if I am not wrong.

We also have pikes, and the same as basses, they are smaller.

Mobasser reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 2:31 AM, WRB said:

At your price point Shimano Stratic Ci4 2500 would be my choice. With braid or bass fishing you don't need a deep spool high line capacity spinning reel.

I have 3 Stratic reels for 10 years without any issues and thinking about updating to Ci4's but it's hard to change when the reels perform so good. I had the same problem when changing from Daiwa TD SS1300 spinning reels, after changing the shaft bushing to a bearing the old SS1300's still run smooth and are bullet proof.

I would aviod Abu reels today. When fishing with my son he uses my Stradics and I use my old SS1300, feels a little heavy now but no spinning reel cast better or has a smoother more reliable drag.

Tom

I agree 100% on the Diawa as 1300 reels. One of the best spinning reels ever. I own and still use a ABU/ Zebco cardinal 4. The only drawback with these now days is their weight. Otherwise , for durability and smoothness, very hard to beat either one.

On 10/24/2018 at 1:52 AM, J Francho said:

Seven years later, still using this combo.

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/pinnacle-DHC5-performa-review.html

Four years later, still goes with me almost every trip:

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/mat-daddy-helios-review.html

More reviews, here:

https://www.bassresource.com/content/search?SearchText=john+franchot&BrowsePageLimit=30

You can trust mine.

J Franco, thanks for posting these. Just got home and had a chance to read them. Your reviews are very good. My point in my thread the other day was to point out good and bad points in any review.It could be as small as the handle shape on a spinning reel. No one item is perfect for everyone. Especially more costly tackle items. Again, good job on the reviews!

maherme reply :

Thanks a lot to everybody for yours answers.

I can get the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB for a good price (about 180$), some people here have this reel and they are happy with it, and I have some shimano reels (others older models) so I know as this brand works.

Daiwa LT similar reels are more expensive here and I think they are pretty similar, so I think I will go for the Stradic.

About the size I think 2500 size is OK, size 1000 is difficult to find here and 3000 maybe is too much for finesse technique with braid.

PatrickKnight reply :

That's a really good reel and a level above the Abu you were looking at. I think you will be extremely happy with it.

Brad Reid reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 5:50 AM, maherme said:

Thanks a lot to everybody for yours answers.

I can get the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB for a good price (about 180$), some people here have this reel and they are happy with it, and I have some shimano reels (others older models) so I know as this brand works.

Daiwa LT similar reels are more expensive here and I think they are pretty similar, so I think I will go for the Stradic.

About the size I think 2500 size is OK, size 1000 is difficult to find here and 3000 maybe is too much for finesse technique with braid.

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

And, a point?

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others.

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

Brad

GeekFisher reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 7:42 AM, Brad Reid said:

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

And, a point?

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others.

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

Brad

It might be true for Stradic Ci4+ weight but not for lower ranges. AFAIK the 3000 spool is deeper, hence holding more line but erything else is the same. Some Shimano series also have gear ratio differences between 2500/3000 models (Sedona, Sahara and Nasci do) I'm using 2500 or equivalent on anything medium power and above but i'll keep the 1000 for ML's since it Works for me !

QUAKEnSHAKE reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 1:52 AM, J Francho said:

Seven years later, still using this combo.

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/pinnacle-DHC5-performa-review.html

Four years later, still goes with me almost every trip:

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/mat-daddy-helios-review.html

More reviews, here:

https://www.bassresource.com/content/search?SearchText=john+franchot&BrowsePageLimit=30

You can trust mine.

Did you pay for the pinnacle and helios or were they given to to for review?

maherme reply :

Hi people,

At the end I purchased the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB, I think I will receive it tomorrow or Friday. I will give to you my first impressions soon, because I want to go fishing on Saturday ????.

Thanks a lot and regards,

J Francho reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 5:26 AM, Mobasser said:

Again, good job on the reviews!

Thanks!

On 10/24/2018 at 8:46 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

Did you pay for the pinnacle and helios or were they given to to for review?

Of course not. They were supplied to me. I would not have purchased them on my own, so you would not have had the opportunity to read the review. If you are insinuating bias, which I think you are, you're way off. Taking time to fish gear other than my own is a sacrifice I make for the benefit of both our sponsors, past and present, and members. I actually think that positive reviews from people that purchased the gear have built in bias. They will always justify their purchase, and many times that's the only piece of gear they own, so have no point of reference.

I can't afford to go out and purchase our sponsors gear. I don't get any special discounts from them.

On 10/24/2018 at 9:00 PM, maherme said:

At the end I purchased the Shimano Stradic Ci4 2500HGFB

Congrats! Sweet reel!

On 10/24/2018 at 7:42 AM, Brad Reid said:

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster.

Spool diameters are identical on these two reels.

J Francho reply :

Since we're on the topic of reviews, Mobasser started a good discussion here:

PatrickKnight reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 7:42 AM, Brad Reid said:

Well, one point I'd make; others may disagree. A Stradic Ci4+ 2500 and 3000 both weigh 6.7 ounces. I know there are some other "Stradic" models that may vary between these two sizes.

And, a point?

There is absolutely no disadvantage using a 3000 series over a 2500 series as regards its performance with braid and finesse angling tactics. Additionally, you'll likely be able to cast at least marginally farther with a 3000 since the braid flies off the larger reel spool in larger spirals. In effect, a 3000 "feeds" line out faster. Remember, spinning reels release line totally differently from casting reels. It isn't pulled off a rotating spool with all the effects from that.

I own Ci4+ Stradics in 1000, 2500 and 3000. You would be at a considerable disadvantage landing large fish on a 1000 series; you be at absolutely no disadvantage using a 2500 or 3000 on an ultralight rod with 2 lbs. line. If I could do it over again, I'd pass on the 1000s and use the others.

Weight? All are so light as to be inconsequential if you mean the Ci4+ reels.

Brad

I agree completely with the 2500 vs 3000 when it comes to the Shimano reels. Zero downside to going with a 3000 for bass fishing unless you don't use backing on the reel.

The frame and spool sizes are the same just a deeper cut spool allowing for additional capacity on the 3000.

Brad Reid reply :

On 10/24/2018 at 9:41 PM, J Francho said:

Thanks!

Of course not. They were supplied to me. I would not have purchased them on my own, so you would not have had the opportunity to read the review. If you are insinuating bias, which I think you are, you're way off. Taking time to fish gear other than my own is a sacrifice I make for the benefit of both our sponsors, past and present, and members. I actually think that positive reviews from people that purchased the gear have built in bias. They will always justify their purchase, and many times that's the only piece of gear they own, so have no point of reference.

I can't afford to go out and purchase our sponsors gear. I don't get any special discounts from them.

Congrats! Sweet reel!

Spool diameters are identical on these two reels.

Brad Reid reply :

Good point about the two spools being the same diameter.

I think J Francho mentioned this above.

So, as regards line playing off reels, it'd be even between a 2500 and 3000 spooled up to the same circumference . . . but larger "plumes" or "swirls" pulling off, unraveling, compared to a 1000.

I was thinking about the "why" behind a deeper spool core for the 3000, not diameter. Both hold so much line as to make thoughts of getting "spooled" unlikely. It'd be the fact that the 3000 will hold the same length of line in a slightly larger test I suppose. This "stat" shows up on line size/qty compares on TW.

I never use large enough test strengths that it makes much matter, one way or the other.

2500/3000 series Ci4+ reels cover a lot of ground, a wide array of fishing presentations. Brad

J Francho reply :

I use a 3000 series reel for fishing for steelhead and browns for the extra capacity when they make long runs. If you get too low on the spool, they drag doesn't work as well, and a really big fish does have the ability to spool a 2500 size reel. Otherwise, a 2500 is fine for bass fishing. Typically, a 1000 reel has only a single drag pad dog eared washer stack for drag. The larger models have a multi washer/pad stack.

maherme reply :

Hello people,

The reel arrived today! ???? I can say it is lighter than I expected and it is really cool!.

There are two things which surprising to me, one was this reel is unprovided of the anti-reverse lever (what is not a problem for me since I always have activated the anti-reverse when I am fishing) and the second is it is not needed to lube the roller of the pick-up (in the manual says is not necessary due to sealed system). I feel the drag is really precise and smooth; and very very power, taking into account the size of the reel.

I want to test this saturday drop-shotting in a small lake near to my home, I will tell to us my experience.

I put here a pic of the reel, I charged with 18lb Sufix 832 braid and a 8lb fluorocarbon leader.

Regards,

Tim Kelly reply :

Very nice, just be careful not to bend the bail wire.

islandbass reply :

Holy smokes, that reel looks sick! Bait monkey is salivating and rattling his cage. That is something that could be bought for looks alone, lol. Felicidades. Hope you post on its performance. ????????

The Bassman reply :

I jumped into this discussion late. Wish I would have mentioned that 3000 size Shimanos have a bigger handle knob. Higher end Shimano reels have removable knobs and can be changed out. I use left handed PG II baitcaster knobs (BNT4240) on my 2500 FA's.

burrows reply :

I use a 16 ci4 3000 I like fishing floro no leaders the deeper spool makes for easier line management. Maybe the 2500 would be the exact same thing I don’t know and I really don’t care at this point ????????‍♂️ it’s light feels good in my hand it’s not a huge reel. I’m happy with it.

J Francho reply :

On 10/26/2018 at 6:16 PM, Burrows said:

I use a 16 ci4 3000 I like fishing floro no leaders the deeper spool makes for easier line management.

I use straight fluoro on both 2500 and 3000 size, and I don't notice a difference. The diameter is the same when the spool is properly filled. Not sure how a deeper spool would aid in line management.

On 10/26/2018 at 3:01 PM, The Bassman said:

Wish I would have mentioned that 3000 size Shimanos have a bigger handle knob.

I forgot about this, good point. I have custom knobs, so I forget about this.

burrows reply :

On 10/26/2018 at 9:10 PM, J Francho said:

I use straight fluoro on both 2500 and 3000 size, and I don't notice a difference. The diameter is the same when the spool is properly filled. Not sure how a deeper spool would aid in line management.

I’m not either but I heard it helps I don’t know.

Brad Reid reply :

For those who like straight fluoro, if you are fishing mostly using short casts and finesse presentations, I think you could put on a bit backer, then fill the reel with braid, then what would essentially be a very long leader. That is, if your longest cast puts out 100 feet of line, 33 yards, maybe fill the spool with 50 yds of fluoro so that you are never casting it all off. I suppose it depends. Aaron Martens does or used to do this. Brad

Glenn reply :

On 10/23/2018 at 9:32 PM, maherme said:

Hello to everybody,

I want to buy a new reel for spinning, I would mainly use for drop shot with braid. Actually I am thinking in Abu Garcia Revo Premier in size 30 because I can buy on sale ????, but I read some issues about this reel, same with Abu Garcia Revo Rocket ... Other options are the Penn Clash in size 2500, I read it is really tough and good reel, or Lew's Metal Crush Speed.

Does someone use any of these reels and could give to me any opinion? Any other reel proposal maybe?

Thanks a lot!

Let's get this thread back on topic.

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