Daiwa Steez Vs. G-Loomis GLX 2024
christopherjake reply :
I am a G-Loomis guy but I hear so many good things about the Daiwa Steez so I went ahead and ordered me one. The Steez should arrive today and I'm hoping to use it this July the 4th.
For those of you who own both, what are your thoughts of the Steez compared to the Loomis GLX rods?
I love G-Loomis but not too fond of the cork grip.
Raul reply :
Ask The Natural, he 's got both.
5bass reply :
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donbeatya reply :
honestly i've tried both the steez rods and reels and i must say they are way over priced. i currently own 5 curado E's and 3 citica E's all on rods from american rodsmith's, falcon, castaway, and well i would not even budge on the diawa's. i just cannot imagine over $400 for a single baitcaster its mind boggling. and they're rods IMO are horrible performance wise the touch and feel just isn't there you'ed be hard pressed not to go with the best rods in the business IMO and that is
G-loomis.
nateobot reply :
QuoteAsk The Natural, he 's got both.
If I remember, I think he didn't like the Steez and actually preferred the Zillion rods to them.
burleytog reply :
Ask yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy?
Pantera61 reply :
I wouldn't blow coin on a G-Loomano. Steez is a great rod. The Zillion is an extremely good rod at about 1/2 the price.
steezy reply :
I own 2 Steez Rods (just bought the second and got a great deal at 30% off retail). I have only fished with a G-Loomis GLX
1 time but much prefer the Steez. I think it is just as sensitive and you cant beat the lightweight of the Steez. I can fish all day without any wrist or arm fatigue.
80pruf reply :
I had started a thread that was very similar but nobody responded to it. I am VERY interested in a Zillion flippin' stick but wondered what people that had used them thought. I have been told that the steez and the loomis glx are the "best of the best" but I can't drop that kind of coin. Info would be great!
cidgrad96 reply :
OK here's what I don't get... not trying to thread rob and feel free to blast me..
But why would anyone drop $300+ on a rod that is built in a factory?
A competent custom rod builder can get more out of blank, offer things not available on factory rods, and make the rod specifically for you and how you fish - including grip size, grip material, guide options, and the list goes on.
Just trying to understand why people are willing to drop serious coin on something mass produced when they can get a better tool for less money. :-/
steezy reply :
My 2 reasons are:
1. My Steez rods have a lifetime warranty, if they break Daiwa will be there to replace it.
2. If I buy from a big name dealer (at least the first 1 rod) and I don't like it they will let me return it for a full refund.
cidgrad96 reply :
Good points Steezy - but a reputible builder can/will do the same. Not all will, but if you are picky about the production company, you should be just as picky about a custom builder. Nothing wrong with that for sure!
Also fairly good % of that high purchase price on production rods is for warranty replacement. You're paying for the next one on your first.
I'll give you an example. I recently learned some fly rod company numbers - Company X retails a rod for $800 - they have under $100 invested in it. Profit for them, the dealer, and warranty replacement is built into that $800 retail. (Info came from a highly reliable source as well - someone who did R&D for them)
Again, sorry as this isn't the topic. Just trying to learn and understand.
Dan: reply :
QuoteOK here's what I don't get... not trying to thread rob and feel free to blast me..But why would anyone drop $300+ on a rod that is built in a factory?
A competent custom rod builder can get more out of blank, offer things not available on factory rods, and make the rod specifically for you and how you fish - including grip size, grip material, guide options, and the list goes on.
Just trying to understand why people are willing to drop serious coin on something mass produced when they can get a better tool for less money. :-/
what if you are happy with the steez grip size, grip material, and guides? They are all top of the line, after all... What else can a custom builder offer you that a Steez cannot? the only thing I could really think of is wrap options--which wouldn't matter for me because I would order a rod that looks just like a steez or zillion (in fact my only custom rod is all black with foam grips like a zillion just without as much silver)
stryk9 reply :
its personal opinion mate. i dont think you will be dissatisfied with either as they are both top notch rods. i have never heard anyone say anything negative about the GLX, which is what i will be upgrading to from the IMX when stocks start to go back up lol. if the steez is anything like the zillion you will be happy. why dont you give us a rundown of the steez after you fish it.
cidgrad96 reply :
Guide spacing not based on a template
Maximized set up for the reel you are using
Locking wraps on single foot guides
No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods
Balance if desired
Less added weight to the blank
Specified handle lengths
For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all)
A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference".
Then again, some builders make tanks, some make ferraris. Finding that difference can be harder than buying a rack rod and I imagine trust probably factors in the equation as well. Not to mention a lot of builders don't have rods just sitting around folks can try out either. All things working in favor of the production rod.
Dan: reply :
QuoteGuide spacing not based on a templateMaximized set up for the reel you are using
Locking wraps on single foot guides
No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods
Balance if desired
Less added weight to the blank lighter than a Steez? Good luck.
Specified handle lengths
For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all)
A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference".
What if you don't care about those things you listed or they satisfy your requirements. For example, it's going to be hard to beat the weight of a Steez rod. I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing, and as far as "kit" handles--what if the Zaion reel seats on the Zillions are your ideal seat? They are supposed to be great. What if you want top of the line guides like the Fuji SiCs? Then a Zillion or Steez would be perfect.
Bassn Blvd reply :
QuoteAsk yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy?
Stop being a hater.
cidgrad96 reply :
QuoteQuoteGuide spacing not based on a templateMaximized set up for the reel you are using
Locking wraps on single foot guides
No handle "kit" as is on many of those rods
Balance if desired
Less added weight to the blank lighter than a Steez? Good luck.
Specified handle lengths
For many people - help picking the right blank (not applicable to all)
A few things that come to mind right off the bat. But good points and a good question in "what is the difference".
What if you don't care about those things you listed or they satisfy your requirements. For example, it's going to be hard to beat the weight of a Steez rod. I don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing, and as far as "kit" handles--what if the Zaion reel seats on the Zillions are your ideal seat? They are supposed to be great. What if you want top of the line guides like the Fuji SiCs? Then a Zillion or Steez would be perfect.
That's why there are choices. Just trying to understand the ones people make. Maybe it's the reel seat shape - good reason. Just looking for reasons. That's a good concrete reason other than what steezy posted.
The weights are definitely attainable - really not even that hard to do. They did it - why can't a custom builder?
Daiwa Steez STZ631MHFBA SVF - 3.4 oz - 6'3" rod. I'm sitting here holding a 6'9" MH that weighs 3.6 - yes it's .2 oz heavier, but it's 6" more rod too. And it doesn't have Fuji SiCs which are lighter than what I have on this one. So I respectfully disagree regarding weight.
Guide spacing... not getting into that one tonight. But it does make a difference in performance.
Tin reply :
I have used both for jig fishing and shakey heading and if I had the money I would take the Steez anyday.
Jimzee reply :
QuoteQuoteAsk yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy?Stop being a hater.
lol...Don't worry Doug, we all like the Loomis. If they made a split grip production rod with no fore grip, I will be one of the first in line.
burleytog reply :
Yep, give me an IMX or GLX that looks like a Kistler LTX or a Daiwa Zillion and I'll be on it like white on rice.
skno reply :
They do make one. Its called St. Croix Legend Elite ;D :
flechero reply :
QuoteAsk yourself this. Do you want to fish with a rod that was designed in 1899 and looks like something your grandfather fished with in the 60's? Or do you want a modern rod that is sexy?
Hmm... keep up this kind of crappy posting and I'll have Ryan send you his hoodie. :
Why not just buy the kistler or zillion, if all you care about are the looks, problem solved.
flechero reply :
QuoteI don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacing
At least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Dan: reply :
QuoteQuoteI don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacingAt least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Really? How different can 9 or 10 guides be spaced on a 6'9'' rod with different effect?
cidgrad96 reply :
9 or 10... which is the right number? There's your first difference. 10 is probably too many to start with. 9 with micros, 8 with standard guides.
- it is either more or less weight added to the blank. More weight added = less sensitive rod
- more guides impact the natural flex of the rod blank
- impact on casting distance through proper line control on the cast
- impact on line control when fighting a fish
- spinning rods are set up generically because they don't know what size reel you are using. When I know the reel size, I can use guides half the size, placed correctly, which results in a more sensitive rod (see 1st bullet) and typically a longer casting rod. A rod for a 4000 series reel won't be spaced the same as a 2500
I've never used a spacing template that was absolutely correct for a each individual blank of a certain make/model. Factories don't space individual blanks. Too expensive because of time.
Dan: reply :
how much can spacing the guides differently really affect casting distance, or "line control" when fighting fish? I don't really even understand what "line control" when fighting fish means...
cidgrad96 reply :
It's about line control in both cases.
Keep the line on a straight path to achieve maximum distance for casting.
Example - guides spaced too far can create slap - takes the line off the straightest path and robbs you of distance.
For fighting a fish, it's keeping the line in the same curve of the blank so as to maximize the power in that blank and letting the blank work how it's supposed to... a better tool.
Example - improperly spaced guides can cause the blank to flatten incorrectly, reduce the rod's ability to fight fish, or incorrectly distribute the weight on the blank under load. Also, higher framed guides on top produce more torque (line is trying to push down and under the blank - resulting in twist) which really adds wear and tear over the lifetime of the rod. This is why spinning rods fight fish better - no torque - guides are under the rod.
Blank itself has an impact huge impact on casting and fighting - but it's a total package and guides are what keep the line on the blank.
I've picked up plenty of factory rods (not a steez I concede) where the line drops below the blank on a casting rod - that's not good. I've also picked up GLXs where the craftsmanship was terrible. Guides not properly aligned, gooped up epoxy, football finish on guides, etc. I haven't seen enough Steezs to judge that.
steezy reply :
I can tell you from experience, I've caught a 2 - 4 lb'ders on my little 6' steez in the past 2 days and it was plenty bent when I was crankin them in and thanks to the generous number of guides (and quality) the line stayed right on top of the center of the rod.
My previous BPS signature series rods were also a great performers but the steez are flawless.
bass wrangler569 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacingAt least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Really? How different can 9 or 10 guides be spaced on a 6'9'' rod with different effect?
I don't get this either. Granted, I only have half a dozen rods under my belt but I have never heard of much discrepancy in rod spacing. Guide choice, single or double foot, even guide number sure but like you said, I don't know how many different ways you can put 9 guides on a 6'9" rod.
As far as rods, as far as sensitivity goes, GLX, but steez rods do look sick.
Dan: reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacingAt least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Really? How different can 9 or 10 guides be spaced on a 6'9'' rod with different effect?
I don't get this either. Granted, I only have half a dozen rods under my belt but I have never heard of much discrepancy in rod spacing. Guide choice, single or double foot, even guide number sure but like you said, I don't know how many different ways you can put 9 guides on a 6'9" rod.
As far as rods, as far as sensitivity goes, GLX, but steez rods do look sick.
yeah, there is only so much room for variation. You would really only be able to move the guides so much and I really don't see that making a noticeable difference.
christopherjake reply :
I wish G-Loomis would use other materials for the handle than cork, but there is no way in heck Daiwa can beat Loomis' warranty.
I just purchased a Steez but after reading their warranty, I wish I hadn't. For such an expensive product, Daiwa's warranty is crap.
sweet daddy reply :
The only reason I have a steez rod is thanks to a gift card. I would never pay more than a hundred bucks for a rod. If paying for a high dollar pole floats your boat, don't be a crybaby when others laugh at your three hundred dollar status symbol. I have a G loomis hat that I payed way to much for, and I get the tool treatment every time I wear it.
Gone_Phishin reply :
QuoteThe only reason I have a steez rod is thanks to a gift card. I would never pay more than a hundred bucks for a rod. If paying for a high dollar pole floats your boat, don't be a crybaby when others laugh at your three hundred dollar status symbol. I have a G loomis hat that I payed way to much for, and I get the tool treatment every time I wear it.
People can laugh all they want. Whenever I am fishing my BCR GLX I know I have the most sensitive rod I have ever handled. If feeling more bites and catching more fish is something to poke fun of, well, then laugh away...I know I'll be smiling too.
The_Natural reply :
It's splitting hairs; they are both light, sensitive rods. If you value extreme light weight and cutting edge looks...go Steez. If you like a more traditional looking rod with pure, raw sensitivity...go GLX.
GLX Steez
Sensitivity 10+ 9
Weight 9 10+
Balance 9 9
Build Quality 9 9
On a side not, the Zillion rods are right there with the Steez rods in the sensitivity department, but the Steez rods are noticeably lighter in weight. The Zillion and IMX would represent another tough decision, and you would have to answer the same question of what you value most.
steezy reply :
Hey Christopherjake, Whats the issue with the Daiwa Steez warranty? Its a lifetime warranty on the Steez so Im really interested in why you think the loomis warranty is better.
cidgrad96 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know anyone that gives a dump about guide spacingAt least not anyone that knows squat about rods. ;D
Really? How different can 9 or 10 guides be spaced on a 6'9'' rod with different effect?
I don't get this either. Granted, I only have half a dozen rods under my belt but I have never heard of much discrepancy in rod spacing. Guide choice, single or double foot, even guide number sure but like you said, I don't know how many different ways you can put 9 guides on a 6'9" rod.
As far as rods, as far as sensitivity goes, GLX, but steez rods do look sick.
yeah, there is only so much room for variation. You would really only be able to move the guides so much and I really don't see that making a noticeable difference.
I don't think it's been disputed they are not good rods - I see more of a philosophy discussion here... there's a difference in a factory rod and a custom rod. No doubt.
Dan felt the weights can't be beat - that's bunk. They can be matched at the least.
So we're down to splitting hairs. Is the guide spacing bad on a Steez? No. Never said that. But the same rod would perform even better with individual static testing and different guides - something that's going to come from a custom builder. Unfortunately the blanks aren't available, but there is comparable stuff out there.
Hey... your money - your choice. Just trying to understand the logic and bias toward the high end rods.
christopherjake reply :
QuoteHey Christopherjake, Whats the issue with the Daiwa Steez warranty? Its a lifetime warranty on the Steez so Im really interested in why you think the loomis warranty is better.
Daiwa would only warranty the rod if you had the original or copied receipt. You have to send $30 to them and they would either repair or replace it ONLY if the rod was defective.
Loomis also has this limited lifetime warranty but they have another warranty they call the Xpeditor warranty where you send them $50 and you get a brand new rod shipped both ways no questions asked.
.RM. reply :
QuoteOK here's what I don't get... not trying to thread rob and feel free to blast me..But why would anyone drop $300+ on a rod that is built in a factory?
A competent custom rod builder can get more out of blank, offer things not available on factory rods, and make the rod specifically for you and how you fish - including grip size, grip material, guide options, and the list goes on.
Just trying to understand why people are willing to drop serious coin on something mass produced when they can get a better tool for less money. :-/
Because you (as a builder) no matter how much you try, cannot compete with the Expeditor Service or the Limited Lifetime Warranties...
Tight Lines All!!!!
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteHey Christopherjake, Whats the issue with the Daiwa Steez warranty? Its a lifetime warranty on the Steez so Im really interested in why you think the loomis warranty is better.Daiwa would only warranty the rod if you had the original or copied receipt. You have to send $30 to them and they would either repair or replace it ONLY if the rod was defective.
Loomis also has this limited lifetime warranty but they have another warranty they call the Xpeditor warranty where you send them $50 and you get a brand new rod shipped both ways no questions asked.
Warranties are a red herring. No one ever put a fish in the boat using a warranty. Warranties are an excellent guarantee people won't take care of their tackle. If a rod breaks and you send it back to the manufacturer they will know whether or not it's workmanship or materials.
I had a Megabass rod, basically no warranty. I noticed a problem within the first week, contacted them, sent the rod back and had a refund in 3 days. They didn't have the specific rod in stock.
On the other hand, had a good friend who had issues with a rod after the first year and it was manufacturer's problem he got squat. He won't be a customer again.
NOVA Angler reply :
The warranty far outweighs the added benefits of a custom rod IMO. I can cast as far as I need to and I wouldn't know how to determine if I've lost fish due to improper guide spacing. Too many variables. Every hobby has it's "philes" (like audiophiles) who strive for perfection in their equipment. That's cool, but just not me.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteWarranties are an excellent guarantee people won't take care of their tackle.
I take extremely good care of my equipment, but accidents happen.
The G. Loomis warranty eliminates any worries about actually "using"
their equipment.
Regarding the quality of high-end rods vs. custom made, that
probably depends on the builder! Custom may be better, but
"production rods" are consistent. I have a few GLX, all of which
provide 100% satisfaction.
I can't comment on Steez vs. G. Loomis GLX except to say, it just
doesn't seem right to saddle a Steez up with a Shimano reel. That's
a non-starter for me!
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Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteWarranties are an excellent guarantee people won't take care of their tackle.I take extremely good care of my equipment, but accidents happen.
The G. Loomis warranty eliminates any worries about actually "using"
their equipment.
Regarding the quality of high-end rods vs. custom made, that
probably depends on the builder! Custom may be better, but
"production rods" are consistent. I have a few GLX, all of which
provide 100% satisfaction.
I can't comment on Steez vs. G. Loomis GLX except to say, it just
doesn't seem right to saddle a Steez up with a Shimano reel. That's
a non-starter for me!
:
I'm sure you use your tackle. I get the impression you don't abuse your tackle, though. That is the difference. I'm sure you've read the posts of those who send broken tackle back to vendors that had nothing to do with the original sale.
flechero reply :
QuoteThe warranty far outweighs the added benefits of a custom rod IMO. I can cast as far as I need to and I wouldn't know how to determine if I've lost fish due to improper guide spacing. Too many variables. Every hobby has it's "philes" (like audiophiles) who strive for perfection in their equipment. That's cool, but just not me.
We are way off topic here and should have started another thread about a page ago but...
It doesn't sound like I will sway your opinion on the merits of a true custom rod, and that's cool... I think you are probably a perfect candidate for the lifetime no-fault warranty. Factory rods aren't bad at all, but they are not the same.
I do however, take exception to the term "phile." As for being a perfectionist at times, I'll accept that. If i was "normal" I guess I'd just wrap prefabbed and prefitted components on a blank with spacing charts for Daiwa or Loomis.
roadwarrior reply :
BACK ON TOPIC:
QuoteIt's splitting hairs; they are both light, sensitive rods. If you value extreme light weight and cutting edge looks...go Steez. If you like a more traditional looking rod with pure, raw sensitivity...go GLX.GLX Steez
Sensitivity 10+ 9
Weight 9 10+
Balance 9 9
Build Quality 9 9
On a side not, the Zillion rods are right there with the Steez rods in the sensitivity department, but the Steez rods are noticeably lighter in weight. The Zillion and IMX would represent another tough decision, and you would have to answer the same question of what you value most.
Good night Irene
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
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