Mono for spinning reel 2024
Joe Shepherd reply :
Has anybody had any luck with putting premium mono larger sizes on spinning reel.. Trying to find a good 15 or 16 that acts like a 12 without jumping off spool.. Braid doesnt work because I'm using soft jerkbait and it knots up.. Tried them all only mono works for this bait just tired of loosing big fish 8+ ..
JediAmoeba reply :
Use a baitcaster.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 8:40 AM, Joe Shepherd said:just tired of loosing big fish 8+ ..
???? Where are you? Can I go fishing with you? ????????????
Seriously .... which size of spinning reel are you using? Makes a huge difference. I personally wouldn't use over 12 lb. test mono on even a 4000 size spool. If you go beyond that, I would be talking saltwater size spools. Fresh water spinning gear is not made to use heavy lines. By that, I mean large diameter lines. Those are handled so much more efficiently by casting gear that it just ain't funny.
Be that such as it may, the two lines that I found handled best on a 4000 size spool were Magnathin and Berkley Cold Weather. Cold Weather is limp, but it doesn't really like the heat of summer.
There was a guy not too long ago on here that said he used 17 lb. mono on a spinning reel. I think .... can't be sure .... that he said Trilene XL. Maybe he'll pop in here and give you some advice. jj
JediAmoeba reply :
The problem is that lures you are retrieving without much weight on them aren't really ideal with spinning tackle - That's why we have casting reels.
Any time I have used heavy mono line on a spinning reel they are large reels that you throw out and let sit...for fish like carp and catfish.
Joe Shepherd reply :
4000 spool and a bait caster cant cast as far as a spin on weightless flukes
JediAmoeba reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 9:02 AM, Joe Shepherd said:4000 spool and a bait caster cant cast as far as a spin on weightless flukes
It absolutely can. I cast weightless flukes all the time on a baitcaster. They aren't exactly a bfs application unless you are talking the really tiny size.
Russ E reply :
i use a medium power extra fast action baitcaster for soft jerkbaits. usually filled with 14 pound fluorocarbon.
I have also landed multiple 7 pound plus bass on a spinning setup with 8 pound mono or copoly.
I am curious, on how you keep breaking off with 12 pound line. Bass are not strong fighters compared to other species.
Possible knot issues? I am anal about constantly checking the line and the knot.
I have had Fish spit the lure, but I can't recall the last big fish that broke off. Even fishing around zebra mussels, wood, or weeds.
Joe Shepherd reply :
Its when they run to the boat with shortline line out catch 5s and under with ease just want a little more if I can get it and yes I know you can cast one on a baitcaster but its not even close to as far as a spin especially in a head wind.. Tried 16# sunline super natural last weekend and it knotted up at first but after it broke in it was descent and same diameter as the 12 big game I'm using... I just need this for Sam Rayburn theres alot of giants there and I fish it in Heavy Cover and open water with great results just need a little more insurance.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 9:25 AM, Joe Shepherd said:Tried sunline super natural last weekend and it knotted up at first
Something is wrong here. jj
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 9:49 AM, jimmyjoe said:Something is wrong here. jj
16#
Ppennin986 reply :
I use 12lbs copoly on all my spinning reels
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 9:58 AM, Joe Shepherd said:16#
I mean the knotting up. Mono shouldn't knot up, especially that size mono. Maybe the line is spooled backwards from the supply spool.
With a 4000 size spool (which you said you have) you shouldn't have any of the problems you describe. I have no idea what's going on. ☹️☹️☹️ jj
p.s. - Maybe a frozen line roller?????
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
So describe to us your rod and reel, and the bait your throwing in more detail. That way we can help you more.
Fluke on spinning rod is a generic answer. Brand, length, power, hook/bait etc..
If your losing fish on what your describing the guys here are right, something's off kilter
MN Fisher reply :
If you're going to use heavier mono/FC/copoly on a spinning reel
1) Make sure to spool it up correctly - on the reel the same way it comes off the source-spool.
2) Invest in a good Line/Lure conditioner. It'll help with memory. I use nothing but KVD
3) Consider trying to stay with lighter line - I won't go above 12# on spinning reels and try to stay to 10# and under
garroyo130 reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 8:40 AM, Joe Shepherd said:just tired of loosing big fish 8+ ..
How are you losing the fish? line snaps?
If thats the case loosen your drag ...
jimmyjoe reply :
How exactly are you losing these big fish? Abrasion? Line snaps in two? Knot gives way? Those are all reasons to look at larger diameter line. But there are all separate and distinct problems. They all have different solutions.
One other thing: sometimes a heavy drag won't activate quickly enough when you're catching a bigger fish with short line out. The drag then needs to be reduced, but only a critical amount. Not too little and not too much. Could the drag be the problem? jj
Edited by jimmyjoeI can see that I type too slow!
garroyo130 reply :
way to copy me but smarter ... ????
Joe Shepherd reply :
I know how to spool it. And I got something that works good and has been for years. I just want something better.. Need to be able to cast in Heavy cover and open clean water at same time with casting distance ... Spent over 300 in braid fluoro setups and they work more then good at first but the slack line with a weightless fluke they can't handle the all day stress of the semi slack line
On 3/4/2020 at 10:20 AM, garroyo130 said:How are you losing the fish? line snaps?
If thats the case loosen your drag ...
More of a case of line drags at max were it wont pull on hookset... Always after a full day of fishing and line been soaked
On 3/4/2020 at 10:21 AM, jimmyjoe said:How exactly are you losing these big fish? Abrasion? Line snaps in two? Knot gives way? Those are all reasons to look at larger diameter line. But there are all separate and distinct problems. They all have different solutions.
One other thing: sometimes a heavy drag won't activate quickly enough when you're catching a bigger fish with short line out. The drag then needs to be reduced, but only a critical amount. Not too little and not too much. Could the drag be the problem? jj
When they run to the boat so fast you cant do anything but reel in slack and your drag is a low as you wanna go for the hookset its a problem
garroyo130 reply :
not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ...
a. get heavier lb test mono
b. go to braid
c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:31 AM, garroyo130 said:not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ...
a. get heavier lb test mono
b. go to braid
c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag
Yes, but the OP already has line that SHOULD be plenty for what he's describing, and he already said that he has used braid, but wants something better. And he doesn't like using casting reels into the wind.
Like I said ..... I dunno. I'm lost. jj
garroyo130 reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:38 AM, jimmyjoe said:
Yes, but the OP already has line that SHOULD be plenty for what he's describing, and he already said that he has used braid, but wants something better. And he doesn't like using casting reels into the wind.
Like I said ..... I dunno. I'm lost. jj
Rod has to match drag has to match line
in this case the rod isnt breaking and the drag isnt slipping ... so the line is the weak link
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:25 AM, Joe Shepherd said:When they run to the boat so fast you cant do anything but reel in slack and your drag is a low as you wanna go for the hookset its a problem
Set your drag medium. When you need an instantaneous "bite" to set the hook in awkward circumstances, put your middle finger down on the skirt of the spool, or use the free hand on the spool. Very effective. jj
soflabasser reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 8:40 AM, Joe Shepherd said:Has anybody had any luck with putting premium mono larger sizes on spinning reel.. Trying to find a good 15 or 16 that acts like a 12 without jumping off spool.. Braid doesnt work because I'm using soft jerkbait and it knots up.. Tried them all only mono works for this bait just tired of loosing big fish 8+ ..
I use Berkeley Big Game Mono on some of my spinning reels and it works great.
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:31 AM, garroyo130 said:not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ...
a. get heavier lb test mono
b. go to braid
c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag
If it worked in the wind as good as a spin I would love to have the option to thumb the spool .. Yes need a thicker mono.. Cant lower drag anymore with the gamakatsu superline hook its about as thick as a flipping hook
garroyo130 reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:44 AM, Joe Shepherd said:If it worked in the wind as good as a spin I would love to have the option to thumb the spool .. Yes need a thicker mono.. Cant lower drag anymore with the gamakatsu superline hook its about as thick as a flipping hook
Why superline hoook on mono? The purpose of superline hooks is so that they wont bend under the reduced stretch of braid ...
Go to a thinner hook
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:42 AM, jimmyjoe said:
Set your drag medium. When you need an instantaneous "bite" to set the hook in awkward circumstances, put your middle finger down on the skirt of the spool, or use the free hand on the spool. Very effective. jj
I have to set drag high with the superline gamakatsu hook to be consistent and then hope and pray they domt run at me so fast that I dont have time to twist the drag.. I caught a 23 pound cat on this same set up in 33 foot of water but had alot of line out and had time to adjust drag sometimes I dont have that option
On 3/4/2020 at 10:47 AM, garroyo130 said:Why superline hoook on mono? The purpose of superline hooks is so that they wont bend under the reduced stretch of braid ...
Go to a thinner hook
Weight
On 3/4/2020 at 10:48 AM, Joe Shepherd said:I have to set drag high with the superline gamakatsu hook to be consistent and then hope and pray they domt run at me so fast that I dont have time to twist the drag.. I caught a 23 pound cat on this same set up in 33 foot of water but had alot of line out and had time to adjust drag sometimes I dont have that option
Weight
I caught the cat on a t rig smaller hook but same line
garroyo130 reply :
Yeah it sounds like youre familiar/comfortable with this setup and know what youre doing
honestly you just need an SV spooled reel in your life at this point
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:43 AM, soflabasser said:I use Berkeley Big Game Mono on some of my spinning reels and it works great.
Yea I tried 15 and and it couldnt do it on a 4000
K1500 reply :
Yozuri Hybrid 10# is as heavy as I like. The hybrid is quite a bit stronger than equivalent mono 10# I have used. More like a 12 or more. I use it on 2500 series reels with no problems. I have heard good things about nano-fill and spinners but I have never used it.
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:47 AM, garroyo130 said:Why superline hoook on mono? The purpose of superline hooks is so that they wont bend under the reduced stretch of braid ...
Go to a thinner hook
It wont ride level flukes dont work unless they float perfectly level after the pause
jimmyjoe reply :
Found it! The guy using the 17 lb. Trilene XL on spinning gear was @haggard. jj
haggard reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 11:01 AM, jimmyjoe said:Found it! The guy using the 17 lb. Trilene XL on spinning gear was @haggard. jj
LOL dang you're good. To clarify, when I say I use 17 lb Trilene XL on spinning gear it's for salt water fishing on heavier rods (such as 7'0 MH/F), slightly larger reels. I've never used 17 lb for freshwater bass.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 11:09 AM, haggard said:LOL dang you're good. To clarify, when I say I use 17 lb Trilene XL on spinning gear it's for salt water fishing on heavier rods (such as 7'0 MH/F), slightly larger reels. I've never used 17 lb for freshwater bass.
Ain't illegal, is it? ???? ????
Might be this guy's answer. Dunno. If it feeds good, that'll be one less problem from what he's got now. jj
You said you're using a MH/F Avid, which is rather stout. He might benefit from something like that, or he might already be using something like that. OP hasn't told us the length of rod he uses, nor the power and action. I know that a longer rod can take up line faster, controlling a fish that's charging the boat better than a shorter rod.
He also has not told us exactly how he's losing fish. Because he keeps gravitating to heavier and heavier line, that makes me think abrasion has something to do with it. Or maybe when he says that he's "losing fish", what he means is that he can't set the hook on them fast enough, and they just get away.
Although if that were true, he'd have no idea that they were 8 pounders, or 4 pounders, or whatever. So it sounds like he's getting a hookset, alright. He's getting resistance from the fish.
It's almost like he's trying to use a 12 gauge to swat a big fly.
Like I said, I dunno. jj
Bankbeater reply :
I use big game mono on my spinning reels, and I won't go over 10 lb. Different lines have different memory and spool up differently.
soflabasser reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:53 AM, Joe Shepherd said:Yea I tried 15 and and it couldnt do it on a 4000
Everyone has personal preferences so use what you like best. For me results is worth more than anything else when it comes to fishing. I have done great using Berkeley Big Game Mono on some of my spinning reels from size 4000 to size 8000. Have caught fish that weigh less than a pound to fish that weigh several hundred pounds on these spinning reels with Berkeley Big Game Mono.
waymont reply :
Not sure why your braid would knot up throwing any bait. I throw flukes, tiny crankbaits, trickworms, and hard jerkbaits without getting knots.
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:38 AM, jimmyjoe said:
Yes, but the OP already has line that SHOULD be plenty for what he's describing, and he already said that he has used braid, but wants something better. And he doesn't like using casting reels into the wind.
Like I said ..... I dunno. I'm lost. jj
Braid knots up from the semi slack line with the weightless fluke
waymont reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 12:58 PM, Joe Shepherd said:Braid knots up from the semi slack line with the weightless fluke
Ok. Not sure what casting /lure technique you’re using that causes that. You can try a braid to 15-20lb leader which would be a little stiff to prevent any knots near the lure. That’s all I got for you.
Joe Shepherd reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 12:57 PM, waymont said:Not sure why your braid would knot up throwing any bait. I throw flukes, tiny crankbaits, trickworms, and hard jerkbaits without getting knots.
Cadence I dont know
JediAmoeba reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 10:25 AM, Joe Shepherd said:When they run to the boat so fast you cant do anything but reel in slack and your drag is a low as you wanna go for the hookset its a problem
Sounds like you need a high speed reel. Like a baitcaster.
What rod and reel are you using? If the line roller is a piece of crap it can cause a lot of problems.
haggard reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 11:17 AM, jimmyjoe said:It's almost like he's trying to use a 12 gauge to swat a big fly.
That actually sounds kinda fun. Kids, don't try this at home ????
Russ E reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 11:00 AM, Joe Shepherd said:It wont ride level flukes dont work unless they float perfectly level after the pause
I have been fishing super flukes and sluggos for 30 years. they balance fine on light wire hooks. They will slowly sink.
If you are using a heavy hook they are not floating. They sink like a rock.
If I am fishing shallow I will use the fine wire hook.
If I want to get down deeper i will use a weighted hook or a heavy hook, but you have to adjust your tackle accordingly.
If I want to get 10 feet or deeper I will put it on a mojo rig.
I would never use a superline hook on a medium action spinning setup. I would also not use a fine wire hook on a flipping stick with heavy line.
In regards to baitcasters not being able to cast the fluke very far. I use a Diawa Tatula SV. it will sling a super fluke with a fine wire hook a long way, with 14 pound sunline sniper. Even in the wind.
One other thing to consider is if you use heavier line it will affect the action of a fluke.
Lastly. If your tackle is not balanced you will lose fish!!!! Really is no way around it.
Mobasser reply :
If your set on using heavier mono line on your spinning reels, try this. Clip the line onto your spool, remove the spool and soak it in lukewarm water for 1 to 2hrs before you go fishing. You can soak it overnight if you want to. This makes stiffer mono lines loosen up, and handle better, especially if you've had your reel spoiled for a while.
J Francho reply :
On 3/4/2020 at 2:20 PM, JediAmoeba said:Sounds like you need a high speed reel. Like a baitcaster.
Large spool spinning reels are faster than most fast baitcasters. Anyway, sounds like braid and a leader would probably be the best solution for the OP. I'm sure there's an excuse for why that won't work either, though. I throw flukes on a 20# braid with a 10# leader on a stiffer than usual spinning rod and 2500 class reel that takes up 35 IPT. Works fine for my bass up here, though they're half as big.
Paul Roberts reply :
If it has to be a spinning reel for .015 line or better, then you need a large-spooled reel, a 40/4000, or better. You might look at the wide spool reels; I believe Pflueger and BPS offer them. I have some of the (now defunct) USReels spinners and the 40 size handles .015 ok.
Not sure what braids you've used, but some are softer, and apt to knot, then others are. There is a line out there called Windtamer, by FINS, that may help, although I've not used it.
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