throwing light baits on baitcaster? 2024

mja900 reply :

Does anybody know if its possible to throw a good long cast with like a 1/16 oz jig or even a 1/8 oz jig on a baitcaster without using any split shots or weights? And if you can, what brand and model baitcaster do you have?

skillet reply :

You really have to factor the rod into this for throwing that light of weights. Sorry, this won't answer your question. If you are thinking about buying a bitcaster for this, get yourself a decent spinning reel. I can do it with my Citica 200D but there's no way I can get the distance. IMHO don't try to use a tool for something it wasn't made for ...

skillet

Chris W reply :

With the right rod and the right reel you can. I use a BCR802 and a Daiwa Sol with 8lb line and cast 1/8 oz baits all the time. I do not have any that are 1/16oz that I have ever tried. But this is possible with the right combination.

Scorpio reply :

Where are all of the Pixy guys?

Raul reply :

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Does anybody know if its possible to throw a good long cast with like a 1/16 oz jig or even a 1/8 oz jig on a baitcaster without using any split shots or weights? And if you can, what brand and model baitcaster do you have?

Reels that can do that with ease:

Domestic.-

Curado 100D

Chronarch 50 Mg

Sol

TDZ105H

Import.-

Alphas 103

Alphas Itö

Alphas Type F

Alphas R Edition

Scorpion 1000

Scorpion 1000 Mg

And the king of kings ---> Liberto Pixy

steezy reply :

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Does anybody know if its possible to throw a good long cast with like a 1/16 oz jig or even a 1/8 oz jig on a baitcaster without using any split shots or weights? And if you can, what brand and model baitcaster do you have?

Reels that can do that with ease:

Domestic.-

Curado 100D

Chronarch 50 Mg

Sol

TDZ105H

Import.-

Alphas 103

Alphas Itö

Alphas Type F

Alphas R Edition

Scorpion 1000

Scorpion 1000 Mg

And the king of kings ---> Liberto Pixy

Don't forget the Shimano Core 50MG or Daiwa Steez, they can do it ! (just costs more)

Also, like others said, a good Rod will really help.

guest reply :

Bass Pro EXtreme Lite or Prolite reel with a good ML rod and 6 or 8 lb test.

dodgeguy reply :

pflueger patriarch.

catchnm reply :

The key to casting light lures far with BC gear is in the cast itself. After setting your brakes/tension to the proper setting (lure stops when it hits the water on a free fall from about 4 feet up--I set mine a little looser though) anyway, a lob cast is the key here. Not a whip cast. Just gently but strongly lob the bait, more of a sling than a lob really, just not the whip like you would a worm or jig. After a little practice and figuring when and at what angle of the cast to apply the most strength, you'll be getting those lighties on out there.

Hope this makes sense hard to articulate but not hard to demonstrate.

The_Natural reply :

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The key to casting light lures far with BC gear is in the cast itself. After setting your brakes/tension to the proper setting (lure stops when it hits the water on a free fall from about 4 feet up--I set mine a little looser though) anyway, a lob cast is the key here. Not a whip cast. Just gently but strongly lob the bait, more of a sling than a lob really, just not the whip like you would a worm or jig. After a little practice and figuring when and at what angle of the cast to apply the most strength, you'll be getting those lighties on out there.
Hope this makes sense hard to articulate but not hard to demonstrate.

I know exactly what you are speaking of, and I would say this holds true for every casting reel that isn't designed to throw light weight baits. Kind of a cast where you use your arm to cast the bait versus flinging it with your wrist. Light weight baits just can't provide the inertia needed to immediately accelerate a spool with 140yds of line on it. However, with the right technique, you can adequately cast lighter baits even with larger spools. For the record, with a pixy, you don't have to alter your casting technique at all....you can fling 1/8oz baits without worry of backlashing....it's pretty magical. I bet the Core 50 is pretty close, but the Pixy's line capacity makes it unbeatable in the small bait department (line is heavy...less line=lighter spool)

KYntucky Warmouth reply :

I have a Daiwa Sol and an Carrot Stix Gold that I use for shallow cranks and jerk baits. I have recently been using the Owner Cultiva baits, specifically the Savory Shad and Rip'n Minnow. These baits are light, the Rip'n Minnow 70 weighs 1/5 oz and the 65 sp even lighter, maybe 1/8 oz. This combo allows me to throw these about 50-80 ft, fish from the bank and the spot I fish has a treeline 50ft out or so, so I can place these baits where I need them without trouble. I also use 12lb P-Line Flouro-clear on the rig so I know a lighter line would result in a little more distance.

Steve_IA reply :

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Reels that can do that with ease:

Of course EASE is a relative thing.

avid reply :

I have a Daiwa TDZ and a loomis cr721 that can throw just about anything. I actually had a time there where being able to toss really light baits, like a zoom finesse worm, on a baitcaster was a source of pride for me.

the novelty wore off, and I use a spinning outfit for light stuff.. I mean that's what their made for right?

RoLo reply :

"Spinning" gear provides the full range of freshwater tackle-classes from panfish to muskellunge (2-lb to 20-lb).

"Baitcasting" however does not, because a revolving-drum is ill-suited to the light end of the range.

Roger

Raul reply :

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"Spinning" gear provides the full range of freshwater tackle-classes from panfish to muskellunge (2-lb to 20-lb).

Roger

Yeah, and you you won 't have to shell out 200+ dollars to get a reel capable of casting teeny tiny baits.

Hammer 4 reply :

I have to chuckle when I see guys throwing a lightweight crank, or topwater with a bc, and they barley get it out 25', when a spinning rig would put it out Much further to cover more water and possibly catch more fish..

skunked_again reply :

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I have to chuckle when I see guys throwing a lightweight crank, or topwater with a bc, and they barley get it out 25', when a spinning rig would put it out Much further to cover more water and possibly catch more fish..

youd chuckle at me a lot. i suck with a spinning reel. ive bought the good gear and i still couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. the Sols i have let me cast the light stuff....thank god.

Jeff H reply :

So, you can throw a #5 Shad Rap just as well with a baitcaster as somebody could with a spinning rig? I'd like to see this....especially if there is any wind present.

I know that I can toss a 1/8 oz Snagless Slider w/Producto 4" worm with my Revo SX but I can do a MUCH better job (accuracy and distance) with my spinning rigs for light stuff such as this.

And.... what do you tell guys that say "I suck with a baitcaster"?? I bet you'd tell them to practice, right??

looking4structure reply :

I would go with smaller # line and make sure u fill your spool up all the way.No matter what reel I'm using i can cast farther when the spool is full.

guest reply :

I have the same problem as skunked again, distance with spinning gear is no problem but after 2 or 3 casts I do the same thing as when I golf using a wood-I hook or slice. Now I only use irons when golfing even if it means losing a little distance and only use spinning tackle for skipping docks.

Jake. reply :

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I have to chuckle when I see guys throwing a lightweight crank, or topwater with a bc, and they barley get it out 25', when a spinning rig would put it out Much further to cover more water and possibly catch more fish..

There are several baitcasters that can throw a lightweight bait much farther than 25', and they don't come with all of the problems spinning reels create.

Jig Man reply :

I sent an old green Curado to a guy in Alabama. He did some magic to it and it will throw a light weight bait a really long ways now.

skunked_again reply :

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So, you can throw a #5 Shad Rap just as well with a baitcaster as somebody could with a spinning rig? I'd like to see this....especially if there is any wind present.
I know that I can toss a 1/8 oz Snagless Slider w/Producto 4" worm with my Revo SX but I can do a MUCH better job (accuracy and distance) with my spinning rigs for light stuff such as this.

And.... what do you tell guys that say "I suck with a baitcaster"?? I bet you'd tell them to practice, right??

if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

ShawnCorreia reply :

I am sorry, but I would not be caught dead cranking in a 1/8 buzz on a spinning setup for a day nooooo way! Monday I will let you know how the Revo STX does. that is what I ordered it for. I was using an old Abu MagPlus ext but it finally crapped out on me. :'(

Jeff H reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

Jeff H reply :

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I sent an old green Curado to a guy in Alabama. He did some magic to it and it will throw a light weight bait a really long ways now.

I need to do this also. I'm just not sure yet which ones I want to put the money into.

steezy reply :

Im not knocking spinning gear but thats why there are finesse baitcast reels like the steez and core 50. Trust me when matched with high end rods, they throw light baits really well and I dont have to deal with line twists.

skunked_again reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

dont be such a *****.

Muddy reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

Knowing Skunked Again, and what Avid said: I will put my money on Skunked Again. I use spinning gear, I lack in Bait casting skills for smaller stuff, no problem for me. It can be done Jeff, I am sure there are many here that can toss a #5 with BC equipment , I saw guys from here throw small finesse plastics with Bait Casting equipment. You would be amazed at what t an accomplished caster can throw with the right equipment

Muddy reply :

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I'm not knocking spinning dear but that's why there are finesse bait cast reels like the steez and core 50. Trust me when matched with high end rods, they throw light baits really well and I dont have to deal with line twists.

Hey Steezy ; I can't talk about the high end stuff; I can't afford it and do not use it

I can talk about spinning gear and I can tell you that for many years I have used Pflueger Presidents on Fenwick spinning rods and by doing 3 things consistently I HAVE NO TWIST ISSUES AT ALL

1. Make sure the line is going onto the spool reel , in the same direction it comes off the feeder spool

2. Never reel In while the fish is taking drag

3. Use a Swivel ( no snap) on the tag end of your line and 12 inches of leader to the bait

I have spent countless hours of twist free time on the water by doing these 3 simple things

I have 4 BC rigs for regular and heavier stuff

but am sticking with the spinning because I am clumsy and a slow learner 8-)

skunked_again reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

Knowing Skunked Again, and what Avid said: I will put my money on Skunked Again. I use spinning gear, I lack in Bait casting skills for smaller stuff, no problem for me. It can be done Jeff, I am sure there are many here that can toss a #5 with BC equipment , I saw guys from here throw small finesse plastics with Bait Casting equipment. You would be amazed at what t an accomplished caster can throw with the right equipment

thanks Dom.

this debate isnt really worth all this bickering. a question was asked and the question was answered in the 3rd and 4th post. everything else is personal experience.

tossing a #5 shad rap isnt that big of a deal. the problem comes when the bait "helicopters" in the air after the cast. im not sure but i dont think the gear you use affects that.

have a good day, hug a kid, so on and so fourth..

The_Natural reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

The only gram measurement I'm familiar with is 3.5 grams, which is an 1/8th, or 7 grams which is a 1/4. Don't ask me the significance of that

skunked_again reply :

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if youre referring to me im talking about my skills with my gear. and yes, im much better with a baitcaster when tossing #5 shad raps, its no different than tossing a DT-4. i have very good distance and drop the bait close to where i want it.

I just threw a DT4 on my gram scale, 9.22 grams. #5 shad rap is 5.15 grams, nearly half the weight. These weights are hooks and all. Thats quite a difference in weight. You are incredible, I wouldn't bother to try throwing a #5 shad rap on a baitcasting rig.

The only gram measurement I'm familiar with is 3.5 grams, which is an 1/8th, or 7 grams which is a 1/4. Don't ask me the significance of that

per rapala.com the dt-4 is about 8.8 grams and the #5 is 5.3 grams. 28.3 grams to an oz.

but like you said.......lol

Jeff H reply :

You guys are right. What insignificant BS. What does it matter really? I mean, it's like a guy switching from a 1/4 oz sinker to 3/8 oz for whatever crazy reason....it's only 1/8 oz right. I get it now, DUH!

BTW, you didn't need to call me a *****, I really was conceding that it is pretty amazing to me that you, or anyone else can toss a 5 gram weight in the form of a balsa crankbait with baitcasting gear any respectable distance. I'm sure with the thumb smiley it helped cast the wrong impression.

I can't do it, not with the reels I have and the line I choose to use. I don't mean to imply it's impossible, but when things get that light it's just easier for me to pick up a spinning rig and do a better job.

Muddy reply :

OKAY , you 2 mooks knock it off, Im the *****; there feel better ;D

Bassn Blvd reply :

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OKAY , you 2 mooks knock it off, Im the *****; there feel better ;D

A big one or small one? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Jeff H reply :

Not tonight you ain't I'll wear the dunce cap tonight that I've earned.

I'm not sure?? Did THAT post come across as me being a dickhead too? If it did, than I need new vocab and better sentence structure I guess. I don't know how to state my position any clearer. I really am impressed that some guys can do that. I've tried and I know I can't. I can throw my DT4's on my lighter crankin rig but thats about as low as I can go with wood.

skunked_again reply :

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Not tonight you ain't I'll wear the dunce cap tonight that I've earned.
I'm not sure?? Did THAT post come across as me being a dickhead too? If it did, than I need new vocab and better sentence structure I guess. I don't know how to state my position any clearer. I really am impressed that some guys can do that. I've tried and I know I can't. I can throw my DT4's on my lighter crankin rig but thats about as low as I can go with wood.

to me tossing a #5 isnt impressive. reading Reel Mech, Tin, Raul, Jimzee, J Francho, the list goes on and on and on and on impresses me.

you dont get to know what they know reading a web site.

i am nothing more than a fly on the wall soaking in a few things and sharing what little i have and know.

Muddy reply :

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OKAY , you 2 mooks knock it off, Im the *****; there feel better ;D

A big one or small one? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ill give you a hint; It's de plane boss , de plane

The_Natural reply :

I think my post went over everyone's head.

Bronzefly reply :

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I think my post went over everyone's head.

I thought it was pretty funny... 8-)

I agree with Raul that the Pixy is the top of the food chain when it comes to finesse baitcasting. With a little "tweaking" the reel can do even more. I use a CR 721 IMX and another custom 7'ML rod with Pixzillas and have no trouble casting #5 shad raps and other very light presentations typically reserved for spinning gear.

skunked_again reply :

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I think my post went over everyone's head.

nope. seen it right away.

BTW.......i heard Muddy could cast a line with just an overhand knot tied on the end 45 yards..........lol

Muddy reply :

I have developed a way to cast a FLY with a baitcaster

1. Pick Target

2. Boat over to target and place fly in water

3. Using just low speed on trolling motor, travel 35 yrads in one direction

4.Stop boat and reel in

works for me

Jeff H reply :

Well, I thought he was talking about weed, shows how much I know about that.

ShawnCorreia reply :

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I think my post went over everyone's head.

Dont forget the extra gram for the bag

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