Why Baitcasters Are Better Than Spinning Setups: Fatigue 2024
tcbass reply :
I'm not saying that baitcasters are better than spinning set ups just that in some circumstances one will outshine the other and in the case of lures with a lot of size, resistance, baitcasting setups will mostly be the better choice.
One area is fatigue. When your throwing something with a lot of resistance or something that is heavy, usually a baitcaster is easier on you. When you see muskie fisherman they are throwing those big lures with heavy duty baitcasting setups. And no one would recommend throwing an Alabama/Umbrella Rig with spinning gear. If you did your reel and rod would be huge.
Yes, spinning gear can be used for heavier-duty applications and a lot of off-shore saltwater fisherman will use them for bigger fish. But mostly you see heavy duty baitcasting setups. And for the same fish you can have a medium sized baitcasting setup while the comparable spinning rod setup would be considerably larger. Baitcasting setups can be downsized more and keep the same performance while a spinning setup will be bigger IMO. If you see a lot of commercial fisherman they use baitcasting setups, not spinning. They need to get the fish in efficiently and as quickly as possible. Same for downrigger fishing, I don't know anyone who uses spinning rods for downrigger fishing. Baitcasting setups just seem to be more heavy-duty but still a moderate size.
I came to this realization the other day when I was fishing a very small lure. I was casting a Rapala Scatter Rap shallow on my baitcasting set up. Worked great. However, I decided to put it on my medium spinning rod for longer and easier casting. It did great in that aspect however, I noticed that reeling it back I felt a lot more resistance and it felt a lot hard and after 10 casts I knew I would get tired more quickly. I switched it back to my baitcasting setup and wasn't fatigued at all the rest of the day.
I realized that this might be because of the distance of the reel from the rod. On a baitcasting setup the reel is right at the rod. On a spinning setup the reel is actually quite a bit away from the rod. I don't know if this effects angle, torque, or what. But it is easier to reel in an object with a baitcasting rig than it would be with a spinning rig. When I fish spinning I use the reels base to split my fingers, so I have two above and 2 below.
Also of note, with a baitcaster I reel with my right hand (dominant hand) and hold the rod with my left, when I'm using spinning, I'm reeling with my left hand and holding the rod with my right hand. This could also effect fatigue.
I could tell though that the Scatter Rap's resistance put much more strain on the spinning setup than it did the baitcasting setup.
new2BC4bass reply :
Oooooh. Look out. 
iceintheveins reply :
Agreed.
Tywithay reply :
What's the gear ratio on your spinning reel?
Raul reply :
Still not convinced with the argument.
Jrob78 reply :
Oh dear god, why?
kickerfish1 reply :
Just about every spinning vs. casting debate has been about 3 - 6 pages of a "holier than thow" debate and locked when Irene goes to bed. I see this happening again here.
tcbass reply :
On 7/10/2014 at 11:15 AM, Tywithay said:What's the gear ratio on your spinning reel?
9:0:1
Tywithay reply :
What reel is that? A ratio that high on a spinning reel would have no power. A 4.8:1 spinning reel has similar IPT to faster baitcasters and quite a bit of power.On 7/10/2014 at 1:40 PM, tcbass said:9:0:1
tcbass reply :
On 7/10/2014 at 1:48 PM, Tywithay said:What reel is that? A ratio that high on a spinning reel would have no power. A 4.8:1 spinning reel has similar IPT to faster baitcasters and quite a bit of power.
Abu Garcia Revo Rocket.
RoLo reply :
As the members can attest, I fished with spinning gear almost exclusively for many years.
Yet in the ocean, I fished with conventional gear almost exclusively (conventional = saltwater casting).
Since I've been on both sides of the fence, I can fully understand why an angler might use spinning gear exclusively,
or use casting gear exclusively, or better yet, a combination of both (they're both super tools).
Fatigue? Well, even at my advanced age, fatigue from spinning gear or casting gear has never been an issue.
Fatigue could be the result of flawed technique.
Roger
tcbass reply :
On 7/10/2014 at 2:18 PM, RoLo said:As the members can attest, I fished with spinning gear almost exclusively for many years.
Yet in the ocean, I fished with conventional gear almost exclusively (conventional = saltwater casting).
Since I've been on both sides of the fence, I can fully understand why an angler might use spinning gear exclusively,
or use casting gear exclusively, or a combination of both (they're both super tools).
Fatigue? Even at my advanced age, fatigue from spinning gear or casting gear has never been an issue.
Fatigue is often the result of flawed technique.
Roger
I'm very small. It actually makes fishing much harder. When I stand I can't reach the trolling motor pedal. Holding a baitcasting rod and reel correctly is nearly impossible. My hands get cramped up sometimes attempting to make the stretch.
I can guarantee you it's not flawed technique.
I use both baitcasting and spinning. They both have here purposes and both do better at some things then the other.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/10/2014 at 8:56 AM, tcbass said:
Yes, spinning gear can be used for heavier-duty applications and a lot of off-shore saltwater fisherman will use them for bigger fish. But mostly you see heavy duty baitcasting setups. And for the same fish you can have a medium sized baitcasting setup while the comparable spinning rod setup would be considerably larger. Baitcasting setups can be downsized more and keep the same performance while a spinning setup will be bigger IMO. If you see a lot of commercial fisherman they use baitcasting setups, not spinning. They need to get the fish in efficiently and as quickly as possible. Same for downrigger fishing, I don't know anyone who uses spinning rods for downrigger fishing. Baitcasting setups just seem to be more heavy-duty but still a moderate size.
I think you have raised two different issues, offshore in the ocean is it's entity IMO has very little in common with bass fishing. I fish both fresh and salt but way more saltwater. Off shore saltwater can be done easily with spinning or conventional. For the most part when fishing offshore drifting or trolling is done, as long as the right size rod is being used either type of reel is fine, many spinning reels 4000-8000 have 30# of drag, my Penn 7000 has 32# and holds 300 yds of line. Quite true conventional reels have more line capacity and in some cases that is advantage but for the most part 200-300 yds is good. Commercial fishermen down here don't use rods down here, they hand jig and use a winch to pull up the fish.
Use whatever your preference is for freshwater or inshore salt, mine is spinning.
Bluebasser86 reply :
kikstand454 reply :
change the handle on your spinning reel to the right hand side.
Problem solved. /thread.
flyfisher reply :
LOL...fatigue from reeling, that is funny in and of itself.
tcbass reply :
On 7/10/2014 at 8:43 PM, flyfisher said:LOL...fatigue from reeling, that is funny in and of itself.
You've never seen anyone fight an ocean fish for a long time and get tired?
After palming a baitcaster for a day my hand is sore sometimes afterward.
MacP reply :
Here in about 5 weeks it's dropshot fishing time. Fatigue from spinning reels is real. My wrist already aches.
FlipSide reply :
On 7/11/2014 at 3:02 AM, MacP said:Here in about 5 weeks it's dropshot fishing time. Fatigue from spinning reels is real. My wrist already aches.
All hail the might dropshot 
roadwarrior reply :
I fish both, but have a strong preference for one over the other.
Generally:
Power fishing = baitcasting gear
Finesse = spinning tackle.
The exception is "moving" lures. For cast & quick retrieve I always prefer baitcasting equipment.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Yea they are tools and both are great tools, I too use both and love both, they are used quite different from one another, fatigue can happen for a multitude of reasons, I use baitcasting 75% 25 spinning... I generally like my spinning gear at the higher end of the cost spectrum same as my baitcasting, I like good and or really good equipment . Use the rods and reels the way you choose to, and so will I.
FrogFreak reply :
I said I wouldn't reply but I have to. Here's the deal, why does anyone care to convince others as to which is better? Go try em out, try em with different techniques and pick the one you like. Use a snoopy rod for all I care! I prefer BCs but so what,. The fish don't care. My grandfather and his best friend used to hand line fish in the ocean and they had a ball!
If you'd like to ask which setup is optimal for a certain type of fishing so you can go and purchase the right stuff, fine. But this debate is senseless.
Raul reply :
I have both, most of the times I fish from shore, since the lakes nar my hometown which I fish from the bank have all sorts of dense thorny vegetation and have steep sloping banks is difficult to fish with bc gear, try to swing the rod just to find out you can´t so spinning gear is what I use.
However, I´m still not convinced of the argument.
flyfisher reply :
On 7/11/2014 at 12:42 AM, tcbass said:You've never seen anyone fight an ocean fish for a long time and get tired?
After palming a baitcaster for a day my hand is sore sometimes afterward.
yeah i have but i am pretty sure no ocean fish live in freshwater so your argument is irrelevant.
I get the hand being sore piece but to be physically fatigued from fishing is funny to me....sure being out in the heat and on your feet al lady can bother some people but the actual act of fishing has bothered me one time and that was the first time i went out and used my 7wt fly rod with a full sinking line, that was a tiring day but more because of bad technique that was fixed for the next day's outing.
Catch and Grease reply :
On 7/11/2014 at 3:57 AM, roadwarrior said:I fish both, but have a strong preference for one over the other.
Generally:
Power fishing = baitcasting gear
Finesse = spinning tackle.
The exception is "moving" lures. For cast & quick retrieve I always prefer baitcasting equipment.
Exactly....
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/11/2014 at 9:19 AM, flyfisher said:yeah i have but i am pretty sure no ocean fish live in freshwater so your argument is irrelevant.
I get the hand being sore piece but to be physically fatigued from fishing is funny to me....sure being out in the heat and on your feet al lady can bother some people but the actual act of fishing has bothered me one time and that was the first time i went out and used my 7wt fly rod with a full sinking line, that was a tiring day but more because of bad technique that was fixed for the next day's outing.
The argument is irrelevant. First off one needs to qualify what kind of ocean fishing. Fishing for many inshore species the gear being used isn't heavy, no more tiring than bass gear, not every fish is going to be a 30 minute fight, that's rare. I don't think day in and day out it's any more tiring than bass fishing, now and then you will get that fish that wacks you out. Offshore is total different, even catching 3-4# yellowtail from 100' with 2-4 oz of lead is tiring, even more so with 50 or 100#+ species. Don't know if anyone has experienced this, I have many times, is having a fish on the line where you can't even turn the crank of the reel, that is until you tire the fish out. That's when you learn how to pull up and reel down, tired after an hour of that, HAHA ........you bet.
Whether it's spinning or b/c people get tired from using muscles they aren't used to using. Do you think a pro fisherman gets tired, or a pro golfer hitting hundreds of balls a day both before and after a competitive round, It's their job and they make sure they are in shape. Getting tired from drop shotting is a result of having your fishing muscles not in condition, do it every day and you won't get tired. To those that have physical handicaps, all you can do is just make the best of it, it isn't your livelyhood. I get no more tired fishing inshore as I do for bass when catching the average fish, as I do it everyday.
Josh Smith reply :
I prefer casting for medium heavy and heavy.
For medium, I am trying to decide if I like casting. I am not used to the reel (Black Max 2). I'll let you all know next thread on this subject.
For ultralight, I like a very small spinning setup that will literally cast flies a few feet.
For medium light, I suspect I would prefer spinning, but I have no medium light rig.
I have an urge to go down to the gun forum and start a 9mm vs .45acp discussion for some odd reason...
Josh
Sent from the Ancient Blackberry
K_Mac reply :
I am will soon be 58 and in better shape than I've been in years. I am capable of fishing far longer today than I could think about even last year. Conditioning makes a huge difference. With that said, fatigue is a real issue when it comes to fishing IMO. Maybe for an hour or two here and there it doesn't matter much, or for you young guys that are 10' tall and bullet proof it is not an issue, but put a couple of long days together and for most of us it is.
Most of us don't give a rip whether you use baitcast or spinning. use what you like. Better, lighter gear will make either one more enjoyable in my not so humble opinion.
K_Mac reply :
QuoteI have an urge to go down to the gun forum and start a 9mm vs .45acp discussion for some odd reason...Josh
That is funny! Anyone who has ever spent a couple of minutes on a gun forum knows how divisive this is. What a great analogy!
hatrix reply :
I don't know why you people are poking fun at getting fatigued. That is a real issue and depending on what your doing or how hard your are fishing really can wear on you. Throw big swimbaits all day long and tell me you don't notice it wearing on you. Or spend a whole day throwing spooks and try pretend like you didn't develop a mean case of carpaltunel over night from snapping your wrist 5000x in one day.
The line and rod use with a given bait will also wear on you. Throw some chatterbaits or a crank with high vibration on braid all day and you will notice it. Having a combo that is not properly balanced will take a tole on you while you might not even notice it. Then go fish a perfectly balanced setup and everything feels so much easier and more fluid.
Alonerankin2 reply :
You guys stop getting rattled over a couple remarks by a couple of folks dismissing fatigue or plainly said being tired.... It's real,we all know it is.. No big deal... Have to work around things like this. It is being Human that's all fish the best you can.
hatrix reply :
On 7/12/2014 at 3:16 AM, Alonerankin2 said:You guys stop getting rattled over a couple remarks by a couple of folks dismissing fatigue or plainly said being tired.... It's real,we all know it is.. No big deal... Have to work around things like this. It is being Human that's all fish the best you can.
There is just no need to laugh at someone and make it seem like they are weak or some inferior kind of person for a statement they made. That is all.
Long Mike reply :
Looks like Irene is about to step in here.
kickerfish1 reply :
On 7/12/2014 at 11:53 AM, Long Mike said:Looks like Irene is about to step in here.
I figured it wouldn't be long until she grew tired and in need of her beauty rest!
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/12/2014 at 11:53 AM, Long Mike said:Looks like Irene is about to step in here.
Why? Only 34 responses from a membership of 40,000+, another point of view or opinion is possible, if not this thread will die on it's own.
Another reason I prefer spinning over b/c is with a larger fish on the line a conventional real can twist in my hands. With spinning this doesn't happen for me, the setup is more comfortable. With more comfort comes less fatigue IMO. Some may an opposing opinion, then a b/c should be their choice.
Tywithay reply :
On 7/12/2014 at 1:35 PM, SirSnookalot said:Why? Only 34 responses from a membership of 40,000+, another point of view or opinion is possible, if not this thread will die on it's own.
Another reason I prefer spinning over b/c is with a larger fish on the line a conventional real can twist in my hands. With spinning this doesn't happen for me, the setup is more comfortable. With more comfort comes less fatigue IMO. Some may an opposing opinion, then a b/c should be their choice.
Spiral wrapped rods alleviate this issue. I agree though, I don't find any loss of power with a spinning reel. The key is finding spinning reels with a low gear ratio, like 4.8:1. The higher speed spinners do have a little less nuts when it comes to dragging heavy fish or baits.
Raul reply :
On 7/12/2014 at 11:53 AM, Long Mike said:Looks like Irene is about to step in here.
Hey ! in before Irene comes !
And ( supposedly you should never begin a sentence with "and" ) I´m still not conviced with the logic of the argument.
Alonerankin2 reply :
I think most would agree with Snookalot, my hooksets are more natural and fluid with spinning than baitcasting, although I don't notice that torque on moving baits like I do say, pitching or flipping, as it pertains to baitcasters used in bass fishing, of course lots of folks use the same gear inshore, the heaviest bass/ whatever reels that I use are a shimano 300 and cte200gt's at 10.2 oz apiece wow, lotta complaints about the weight from folks, but you don't hear those complaints nearly as loud with a spinning reel at those weights, I use the baitcaster 75 % of the time, but I sure love spinning too.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/13/2014 at 12:34 AM, Alonerankin2 said:I think most would agree with Snookalot, my hooksets are more natural and fluid with spinning than baitcasting, although I don't notice that torque on moving baits like I do say, pitching or flipping, as it pertains to baitcasters used in bass fishing, of course lots of folks use the same gear inshore, the heaviest bass/ whatever reels that I use are a shimano 300 and cte200te's at 10.2 oz apiece wow, lotta complaints about the weight from folks, but you don't hear those complaints nearly as loud with a spinning reel at those weights, I use the baitcaster 75 % of the time, but I sure love spinning too.
For me the weight of a spinning reel is less important, but I think it has to do with what the technique is.
One of my favs is 7'6 rod mh with 14oz spinning reel, just feels great and I know people using a 20 oz reel on the same rod. But I would kill myself bass fishing with it, just isn't conducive for jigging or bottom baits. It's a very comfortable set up for long flowing casts into open water, don't have a fatigue issue with it. With the target species that I use this kind of a set up I seldom have to make a hookset, the fish are hitting a moving target with some speed, they hook themselves.
tomustang reply :
For me it's the opposite. Spinning setups tend to hang in the hand which feel more comfortable where baitcasters are held up and many want to tip to the handle side. Now based off both being balanced and weighing the same, for more comfort (but its not by much) I would choose spinning.
0119 reply :
Fighting a fish with a baitcaster should never get to the point that the rod/reel torque over. Proper fish fighting must be done strictly with the rod, reeling in is only a slack line, torquing should never happen. To think a spinning reel/rod is less capable is just as stupid, since that same proper fish fighting technique demands fighting the fish with the rod and reeling only to gather slack line as you go downward in the pump. This whole constant argument is just uneducated anglers trying to imitate "pros" whose water ski bass along the surface without a fight using broomsticks and rope for line. Thats not fishing, its competing for $ in a waterbourne arena. No one seems to know proper fishing technique anymore.
Alonerankin2 reply :
The torque I was referring to was at a flipping pitch hard set,, that's when I feel some torque/ slight rollover... Nothing to do with fighting fish at least not bass fish. When I fish for Ohio river cats that we catch many over a hundred pounds, it's just like salt work reel down/ pull/ reel down pull but you don't usually do that with bass on baitcaster. Lite line spinning, deeper water yea, just not typical bass fishing
LMB KING reply :
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tomustang reply :
On 7/13/2014 at 7:00 AM, LMB KING said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRBUL4IspJs
I wouldn't say everything is better. Look at pitching, with a caster motion is much more fluid, on a spinner it seems like a lanky process
Jeff H reply :
I agree with RW. I don't think one is better than the other for me, they both have their place.
jason41987 reply :
i came to this thread kind of late, but i started using baitcasters last year, went back to a spinning reel for a moment this year just to see if it would cast the light, weightless stuff better.. it did a little better, but not much.. but what i learned is this, after half an hour of casting and reeling on, my right hand started hurting because the way the spinning reels dangle below, it changes the balance of the rod/reel and makes it feel front heavy.. if i try to change the position of my hand my knuckles get smashed by the bail
furthermore, it didnt really throw stuff much further, sure i could cast weightless crappie lures, but still couldnt cast these out that far at all, what i gained in not having to spin a spool i lost in the line flapping around and smacking the eyes of the rod.. so there wasnt much of a gain, it was much less comfortable to use.. and get this, due to line twist i actually had to deal with birds nests MORE than i did with the baitcaster
so my opinion now is to not waste my time with spinning gear ever again, id rather use a cheap spincast gear for light stuff
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