Baitcasting Reels Not Made In China? 2024
Josh Smith reply :
Hi Folks,
I'd like to know if there's a list of these anywhere.
I prefer to buy fishing items that are made in the country the company's in. I prefer my Abu Garcia reels, for example, to be made in Sweden. Rapala knives and lures must be made in Finland or I'm not buying 'em. The list goes on.
I have several American and Swedish made reels, and the Chinese reels just don't compare in quality and feel. Function might be similar, but I'm wiling to pay more for better quality.
I'd like to know which reels, especially baitcasting, are made in places OTHER THAN CHINA.
Regards,
Josh
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Older baitcasters from the big 3 ..some are japan made high quality also .ardent used to make them here and i have quite a few plfeugers made in usa that still work perfect .(knuckle busters)
aavery2 reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:28 PM, Josh Smith said:Hi Folks,
I'd like to know if there's a list of these anywhere.
I prefer to buy fishing items that are made in the country the company's in. I prefer my Abu Garcia reels, for example, to be made in Sweden. Rapala knives and lures must be made in Finland or I'm not buying 'em. The list goes on.
I have several American and Swedish made reels, and the Chinese reels just don't compare in quality and feel. Function might be similar, but I'm wiling to pay more for better quality.
I'd like to know which reels, especially baitcasting, are made in places OTHER THAN CHINA.
Regards,
Josh
What are some of the American made reels that you have?
Josh Smith reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:36 PM, aavery2 said:What are some of the American made reels that you have?
Heh, OLD, man. I'd have to look to be certain. One is a Bronson baitcasting. One is a Zebco 33. The two Abu Garcia 5000s and the one 5600MAG I have are Swedish. There's one green spincast that I think is a Bronson as well, but I'll have to look. It's in the other room and I'm lazy.
The Bronson baitcaster feels more solid than a modern Quantum baitcaster. The USA-made 33 is definitely better made than Chinese-made 33s that I have handled and/or bought for others. The 5600 and 5000s are about as solid as one another, but make the Black Max 2 I own feel cheap.
I enjoy getting my hands dirty and rebuilding reels, just like I do with guns and used to do with car engines. Still, having new reels sometimes feels good, and the 5600 is the newest non-Chinese reel I own.
Josh
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:28 PM, Josh Smith said:Hi Folks,
I'd like to know if there's a list of these anywhere.
I prefer to buy fishing items that are made in the country the company's in. I prefer my Abu Garcia reels, for example, to be made in Sweden. Rapala knives and lures must be made in Finland or I'm not buying 'em. The list goes on.
I have several American and Swedish made reels, and the Chinese reels just don't compare in quality and feel. Function might be similar, but I'm wiling to pay more for better quality.
I'd like to know which reels, especially baitcasting, are made in places OTHER THAN CHINA.
Regards,
Josh
Are American brand reels that are actually badge engineered Korean reels ok? I'm guessing not, so a made in Japan Shimano is and easy answer.
You really aught to take a look at the *** reels. While they are manufactured in Korea, they are proprietary *** designs and NOT some badge engineered Korean OEM product. I wish they were American made, but they are a breath of fresh air and a step in the right direction IMO. My next reel will be a *** ***.
aavery2 reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:44 PM, Josh Smith said:
Heh, OLD, man. I'd have to look to be certain. One is a Bronson baitcasting. One is a Zebco 33. The two Abu Garcia 5000s and the one 5600MAG I have are Swedish. There's one green spincast that I think is a Bronson as well, but I'll have to look. It's in the other room and I'm lazy.
The Bronson baitcaster feels more solid than a modern Quantum baitcaster. The USA-made 33 is definitely better made than Chinese-made 33s that I have handled and/or bought for others. The 5600 and 5000s are about as solid as one another, but make the Black Max 2 I own feel cheap.
I enjoy getting my hands dirty and rebuilding reels, just like I do with guns and used to do with car engines. Still, having new reels sometimes feels good, and the 5600 is the newest non-Chinese reel I own.
Josh
The Zebco 33 is an all time classic, if you were a kid and didn't have the opportunity to enjoy this reel, I feel like you missed an American Tradition, the 202 was not too bad either. You will have an almost impossible time finding any reel that is made in the USA, unless you can find some older Ardents. A majority of reels today are made overseas with many being made in Japan, Korea or China. It's debatable but the higher quality reels are often thought to be made in Japan.
wpwarhawk reply :
Daiwa Tatula - Thailand
Daiwa Zillion - japan
Daiwa T3 - Japan & Thailand
WRB reply :
If you bought a Abu reel since 2005, it's made in a China.On 6/28/2014 at 1:28 PM, Josh Smith said:Hi Folks,
I'd like to know if there's a list of these anywhere.
I prefer to buy fishing items that are made in the country the company's in. I prefer my Abu Garcia reels, for example, to be made in Sweden. Rapala knives and lures must be made in Finland or I'm not buying 'em. The list goes on.
I have several American and Swedish made reels, and the Chinese reels just don't compare in quality and feel. Function might be similar, but I'm wiling to pay more for better quality.
I'd like to know which reels, especially baitcasting, are made in places OTHER THAN CHINA.
Regards,
Josh
Tom
Josh Smith reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 2:05 PM, WRB said:If you bought a Abu reel since 2005, it's made in a China.
Tom
I haven't, but not necessarily. Some are made in China, but others are not. They'll say "Made in Sweden". This is why they have to be stamped one way or the other.
Josh
*Hootie reply :
If you notice, some of the newer Ambassadeurs say, Swedish engineered, not made in Sweden.
Hootie
Tywithay reply :
The C3, C4, Record, Pro Rocket, and Morrum, are all still made in Sweden.On 6/28/2014 at 2:05 PM, WRB said:If you bought a Abu reel since 2005, it's made in a China.
Tom
0119 reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 2:05 PM, WRB said:If you bought a Abu reel since 2005, it's made in a China.
Tom
Wrong. Just most, not all
Raul reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:28 PM, Josh Smith said:.
and the Chinese reels just don't compare in quality and feel. Function might be similar, but I'm wiling to pay more for better quality.
What a bunch of nonsense.
WRB reply :
Abu is planning to re-launch making the above reels this year, 2014. There is a few Swedish made Abu reels, very, very difficult to get them, not for general public use and expensive.On 6/28/2014 at 6:21 PM, Tywithay said:The C3, C4, Record, Pro Rocket, and Morrum, are all still made in Sweden.
The OP said his reels are vintage models and they were made in Sweden.
It's not easy to find fresh bass reels made in the US today, they are made China, Korea, Japan, etc.
Diawa Tatula series reels are made in China, not Japan and are good solid reels. Like everyone else I would like to find a decent U S made bass reel, Ardent was but no longer.
Tom
Tywithay reply :
Tatula is made in Thailand. The newAbu reels made in Sweden are already available for purchase.On 6/28/2014 at 11:41 PM, WRB said:Abu is planning to re-launch making the above reels this year, 2014. There is a few Swedish made Abu reels, very, very difficult to get them, not for general public use and expensive.
The OP said his reels are vintage models and they were made in Sweden.
It's not easy to find fresh bass reels made in the US today, they are made China, Korea, Japan, etc.
Diawa Tatula series reels are made in China, not Japan and are good solid reels. Like everyone else I would like to find a decent U S made bass reel, Ardent was but no longer.
Tom
Regardless of origin, I've found that quality is more directly related to design. You can make a crappy reel anywhere.
Raul reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 12:20 AM, Tywithay said:You can make a crappy reel anywhere.
Exactly.
WRB reply :
That is the 2nd time I made that mistake, think I would learn!
The problem with China made products is materials used. I am sure the manufacturers are supplying certified metals, it getting the Chinese to use them. The difference between made in Sweden and some assembly in Sweden is a fine line.
Whatever in today's world you never know what you are getting.
Tom
Josh Smith reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 12:25 AM, Raul said:Exactly.
But you can't make a good reel just anywhere.
Look, I take things apart. A lot. I have to see how they work.
When I rebuilt the 5600 after it was damaged in a move, I was amazed at how well the guts were made.
I looked on the sideplate and it said "Made in Sweden". It was a nice surprise for me.
Likewise, the Ambassadeur 5000s. Both of them are all-metal except for one nylon gear that drives the levelwind. It appears they used nylon for this gear for a specific reason.
The one truth I've found with all things made in America, Japan, and China:
1. America: It's a matter of pride.
2. Japan: It's a matter of honor.
3. China: It's a matter of making things as cheaply as possible without bathroom breaks.
I might try to get some "made for Japan" models if they're not made in China. I'd like to see them.
What I've found to be the differences in reels made in Sweden, the U.S., Japan, and China, is this: Sweden, Japan, and the U.S. use plastic parts if it's the best part for the job.
China uses plastic parts if they can get away with it, then often paint these parts (if they can be viewed externally) to look like metal.
The first time I used the Black Max thumb bar I wondered how long the thumb bar would last.
The thumb bar on the 5600, on the other hand, is gray plastic, makes no pretense of being plastic, and is made very sturdy. No way it'll break.
I would have nothing against stuff made in China if they would only use better parts. I would question the politics, but this is not a political forum and I'm only mentioning this because I have the same thoughts that were voiced previously. I just deleted a rant below the numbers about trade relations and wars. I'd ask that we stick to quality of reels in this discussion, though, and preferences with regard to where reels are made.
So, my findings are that, taken as a group, inferior products, whatever they are, come from China. This does include fishing reels.
I don't know if I've ever examined a Korean-made reel. I'd like to. The few items I've had that were made in Korea in the past were pretty acceptable to good quality. Kia started out junk, but they've been getting more impressive of late, for example.
Just some thoughts.
Josh
Josh Smith reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 11:13 PM, Raul said:What a bunch of nonsense.
I would welcome facts to back up the opinion, Sir. In fact, I would invite you to do so.
For me, dissenting points-of-view are only learning opportunities, but I feel let down when the statement isn't backed up.
Josh
Scott F reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 6:23 AM, Josh Smith said:China uses plastic parts if they can get away with it, then often paint these parts (if they can be viewed externally) to look like metal.
The first time I used the Black Max thumb bar I wondered how long the thumb bar would last.
The thumb bar on the 5600, on the other hand, is gray plastic, makes no pretense of being plastic, and is made very sturdy. No way it'll break.
I own several Ambassadeur reels including a UC5600c that was made in Sweden. The only problem I ever had with any of them was a broken plastic thumb bar in that 5600 that was replaced while still under warranty.
0119 reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 6:23 AM, Josh Smith said:1. America: It's a matter of pride.
2. Japan: It's a matter of honor.
3. China: It's a matter of making things as cheaply as possible without bathroom breaks.
Interesting that you mention honor. I wholeheartedly agree with you view here. Sadly in this politically correct nation, most will not agree, even if secretly they do! I wish in America, things were made with pride. I feel...feel like in my opinion..... that we here have not made anything with pride for the most part since the 60's. The very business ethic you mention China has, is modeled after America's. Sadly, with only 71 posts under your belt you probably don't know there are a few absolutes here. Never give your political view, never bad mouth shimano, never mention shopping at a none site sponsor!
bootytrain reply :
If a product is confined to a limited manufacturing price point it won't matter where its made. I've had a made in Sweden morrum zx, wasnt impressed with the build quality.
Scott F reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 8:03 AM, 119 said:Interesting that you mention honor. I wholeheartedly agree with you view here. Sadly in this politically correct nation, most will not agree, even if secretly they do! I wish in America, things were made with pride. I feel...feel like in my opinion..... that we here have not made anything with pride for the most part since the 60's. The very business ethic you mention China has, is modeled after America's. Sadly, with only 71 posts under your belt you probably don't know there are a few absolutes here. Never give your political view, never bad mouth shimano, never mention shopping at a none site sponsor!
As an American that works for a company that manufactures products here in the US and has for well over 100 years, I am insulted that you don't believe that we take great pride in the machines that we produce. Some people may not be proud of the work they do. But I've been working for the same company for 34 years and my co-workers and myself build and stand behind our products and will match them with anything made anywhere in the world.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Made in america is great id rather spend 150 on redwings that can be re-soled for about 8 yrs then spend 50 a yr on boots that last a yri
WRB reply :
Starting about 1980 the US shut down metal processing plants starting with steel mills, no steel is made in the US today. The Barry amendment requires stainless steel to be domestic or made in partnering countries in western Europe and Japan, if used in military products. does not apply to steel, brass or aluminum. The reason for the Berry amendment was product failures related to counterfeit SST metal. Engineering thermoplastics used in reels or any other product are no longer made in the US, they are off shore companies today.
Fishing reels are not critical products, therefor no concern with what is used to manufacture them other than consumer pressure where price controls the market.
If you think consumer products are US manufactured you are probably mistaken, possibly some assembly is domestic.
Today's reels far exceed the legacy reels in design and performance, we are no longer in control of what we make or purchase regrading made in the USA.
Tom
Scott F reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, WRB said:Starting about 1980 the US shut down metal processing plants starting with steel mills, no steel is made in the US today. The Barry amendment requires stainless steel to be domestic or made in partnering countries in western Europe and Japan, if used in military products. does not apply to steel, brass or aluminum. The reason for the Barry amendment was product failures related to counterfeit SST metal. Engineering thermoplastics used in reels or any other product are no longer made in the US, they are off shore companies today.
Fishing reels are not critical products, therefor no concern with what is used to manufacture them other than consumer pressure where price controls the market.
If you think consumer products are US manufactured you are probably mistaken, possibly some assembly is domestic.
Today's reels far exceed the legacy reels in design and performance, we are no longer in control of what we make or purchase regrading made in the USA.
Tom
Steel is still being produced in the US. My hometown of Gary Indiana is home to Gary Works, U. S. Steel’s largest manufacturing plant, and is situated on the south shore of Lake Michigan. Comprised of both steelmaking and finishing facilities, Gary Works has an annual raw steelmaking capability of 7.5 million net tons.
WRB reply :
You are right the Gary plant still hangs in there.On 6/29/2014 at 12:36 PM, Scott F said:Steel is still being produced in the US. My hometown of Gary Indiana is home to Gary Works, U. S. Steel’s largest manufacturing plant, and is situated on the south shore of Lake Michigan. Comprised of both steelmaking and finishing facilities, Gary Works has an annual raw steelmaking capability of 7.5 million net tons.
Tom
TNBassin' reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 8:03 AM, 119 said:Interesting that you mention honor. I wholeheartedly agree with you view here. Sadly in this politically correct nation, most will not agree, even if secretly they do! I wish in America, things were made with pride. I feel...feel like in my opinion..... that we here have not made anything with pride for the most part since the 60's. The very business ethic you mention China has, is modeled after America's. Sadly, with only 71 posts under your belt you probably don't know there are a few absolutes here. Never give your political view, never bad mouth shimano, never mention shopping at a none site sponsor!
You sir, are my new hero. 
0119 reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 11:18 AM, Scott F said:As an American that works for a company that manufactures products here in the US and has for well over 100 years, I am insulted that you don't believe that we take great pride in the machines that we produce. Some people may not be proud of the work they do. But I've been working for the same company for 34 years and my co-workers and myself build and stand behind our products and will match them with anything made anywhere in the world.
Well like I said.......twice....... I feel. I just I. And I wrote, for "the most part." Ford is considered top end now, I wish I could afford one. Chevy doesnt look so hot just right now. Sadly I have a Chevy. Yes I prefer USA made $$$ boots. I avoid china-mart at all costs. USA made fly reels only, never orvis or now the watered down in name only Hardy, thank you again Pure Fishing. Boy and I thought my slam of the forum would've been the thorn in my post!!! Theres a lot of things changing in this country, cops drive compact cars with little 6 bangers now. I can't sit on a chair anywhere in this country without the guy who sat it in before me, having had is jeans down past his a@@. Now I have to sit where is sweaty boxers were? I can't stand hearing todays music, even what they think is called country. T.V. even fishing shows, are obnoxious. I'm a dinosaur, extinct, I just haven't rolled over and died yet.......
timsford reply :
The highest end ardents are still made in usa or at least thats what it says on their website. Higher end daiwa and shimanos are made in japan and some abus are made in sweden. Almost everything else is made in korea, thailand, malaysia, or china.
bass1980 reply :
Too much blame is on China. You should start questioning the company that contracts with China manufacturers. If these manufacturers are using cheap parts the Brand should know what goes inside their product but they still elect to use it for cost savings and for profit.
aavery2 reply :
I think that there are a lot of products still made in the U.S.A with pride and honor. My observation is that most of these items are produced by small business owners in less quantity, making them harder to obtain, increasing initial investment, and often having to wait to get them. Today's world is different, most Americans will give up some quality for convenience, gladly pay less for an inferior product that they can get their hands on immediately and then dispose of it and buy another in a year or two, if it last that long. Small business is a dying thing, big business like China-Mart have all but killed only the most stubborn. Still some small businesses exist and many of them choose to use the best materials and processes to build lasting products that can be passed down from generation to generation, these products are not only built with pride and honor but often with a true love of the craft, that in my opinion is what made in USA truly use to stand for.
Support your local small business owners.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Blame consumers also ..theres a big gap between beginners and avid anglers nowdays.50 yrs ago ppl fished for food and fun at the same time and you only had a few brands made in usa .beginners and avid fisherman used the same thing that cost the same .now its cheap beginner stuff and expensive quality stuff .beginners aint buying 300$ combos and avid fisherman aint buying 20$ combos.the broad line wont be crossed
Josh Smith reply :
That's the thing though, Maxximus, there needs to be some middle ground there.
I'm sitting here looking at an Omega One box. I got it from Grandpa. If I recall, the Zebco 33 was in it. The Omega One went to a cousin.
Those old Made in USA Zebcos were nice middle ground.
Now, if they'd do that on an older Quantum design like the 1310, I think it would make a lot of folks happy. The 1310 has a lot going for it, including simplicity, and I think would appeal to a lot of beginners.
Regards,
Josh
dam0007 reply :
On the news the other day, this year alone 12 of the top 15 manufacturing companies in the USA have or will be going out of the country. Here it's a 40% corporate tax on large companies places like Ireland it's 4%. Not even worth it to go to China anymore because the demand is so high.... Anyhow if everyone including myself stopped complaining amongst friends about out of the country manufacturing and started complaining about the corporate tax that's driving these business' out, to their senators. Maybe we'll see a reel company here in the future. $0.02
Capt.Bob reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, WRB said:Starting about 1980 the US shut down metal processing plants starting with steel mills, no steel is made in the US today. The Barry amendment requires stainless steel to be domestic or made in partnering countries in western Europe and Japan, if used in military products. does not apply to steel, brass or aluminum. The reason for the Berry amendment was product failures related to counterfeit SST metal. Engineering thermoplastics used in reels or any other product are no longer made in the US, they are off shore companies today.
Fishing reels are not critical products, therefor no concern with what is used to manufacture them other than consumer pressure where price controls the market.
If you think consumer products are US manufactured you are probably mistaken, possibly some assembly is domestic.
Today's reels far exceed the legacy reels in design and performance, we are no longer in control of what we make or purchase regrading made in the USA.
Tom
I haven't read most post's here but when I got this far it is obvious there are many making little sense! Boy are you out of touch! I ran machinery crews for Edward Gray Corporation on the Intek Steel Mill in New Carlisle Indiana in the late 80's. I also worked on the SDI steel mill in Indians built new in the 90's. Some of the finest stainless steel on earth is made in Ft. Wayne Ind. at least in the 90's before I fell 42' and could no longer do Iron Work. I have been out of touch a bit since then, but for 40 years I have been building and reconstructing steel mills and foundry's and they have all been hear in the USA! today the 2 mills we built in the 80's and 90's have been running 7 days a week 24 hours a day and most holidays included. Brass in Montpelier Ohio and Aluminum in Auburn Ind. I am sure in the other 48 states we have many more, just not in Pittsburgh. This is like the remark that cars, machines and electronics are better from overseas,,,,,,,,sorry, you just can't buy anything in this country for the prices you can from cheaper lower quality items you can from other country's. But Americans would rather save 50% and buy it twice than spend the same money once and keep an American working!! Ya there is a lot of things you can longer buy that is made here with American pride, and we are still seeing more stuff go over seas, because 90% of Americans CARE MORE ABOUT COST, THAN QUALITY, IF IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THEY COULD CARE LESS HOW LONG IT LAST!!!
Yes sadly you don't have much choice with fishing reels, as I have serviced reels as part of my services for over 20 years and am quite certain the very best money can buy today come from Japan, China, and Korea, at least Bass fishing reels, I have long used Ambassador reels myself and stuill own 2-5500 and a 7000, but there are certainly much higher quality reels made today, smoother stronger, quieter, faster, and more powerful. We all have preferences but with what you are saying you are missing out on some of the best at the minimum.
The sad thing is if they were made in the USA we see the same thing we do with rods, we have USA made blanks built by an American owned company and built by American labor, but we have many willing to pay nearly as much for rods that American companies import 100% labor and all, giving up quality for cost,,,etc etc etc, now like we already warned I should have never mentioned the obvious here.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 8:03 AM, 119 said:Interesting that you mention honor. I wholeheartedly agree with you view here. Sadly in this politically correct nation, most will not agree, even if secretly they do! I wish in America, things were made with pride. I feel...feel like in my opinion..... that we here have not made anything with pride for the most part since the 60's. The very business ethic you mention China has, is modeled after America's. Sadly, with only 71 posts under your belt you probably don't know there are a few absolutes here. Never give your political view, never bad mouth shimano, never mention shopping at a none site sponsor!
like I said you have to be willing to pay for it, but yes,, we still have a few things made in this country that are made with pride and the very best of quality! but you can't get it without paying for it!
WRB reply :
Capt Bob,
If you took the time to read what I said, the Berry amendment etc., then you would know things have changed the past decade.
1990 was nearly 1/4 century ago, (24 years) I know that is hard to conceive for our generation. To say I am out of touch when my carrier is R&D Aerospace isn't accurate. My company purchases rail car loads of aluminum from Reynolds, All SST from domestic sources controlled by DFARs and composite materials like PEI and PEEK are my specialty.
We are a manufacturer using these materials on a daily basis for military/aerospace industry, making high-rel products.
Accurate and Avet are salt water reel manufacturers in SoCal who make low production state of the art reels, not fresh water bass reels. The reason these companies are successful was Penn wasn't making high reliable reels. Today no fresh water bass reels are made in the USA, not because we can't, the production costs are too high.
The reason Daiwa and Shimano dominate the fresh water reel business is because their products are superior at a competitive price,
Tom
Capt.Bob reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, WRB said:Starting about 1980 the US shut down metal processing plants starting with steel mills, no steel is made in the US today. The Barry amendment requires stainless steel to be domestic or made in partnering countries in western Europe and Japan, if used in military products. does not apply to steel, brass or aluminum. The reason for the Berry amendment was product failures related to counterfeit SST metal. Engineering thermoplastics used in reels or any other product are no longer made in the US, they are off shore companies today.
Fishing reels are not critical products, therefor no concern with what is used to manufacture them other than consumer pressure where price controls the market.
If you think consumer products are US manufactured you are probably mistaken, possibly some assembly is domestic.
Today's reels far exceed the legacy reels in design and performance, we are no longer in control of what we make or purchase regrading made in the USA.
Tom
Your statement above is wrong, we always made steel in this country, in 1980 and 2014 and every day in between, and at least 1 of the mills I mentioned have been making it since before ww2 in 2004 was sold to Valbruna, an Italian based company, but still manufacturing certified St. Steel, nickle and Titanium alloys for all kinds of use including Aerospace,,,,,,,,regardless has nothing to do with Bass reels,,,,,,I have no idea what certified steels of any alloy are government uses in aerospace or the certified materials you deal with but have to believe it has nothing to do with the metals used in bass reels. As far as our Government goes, they also use Beretta 9mm which are imported or were, and inferior to the over 100 year old 1911A1 which has proven superior in reliability durability, and power,,,,,, back to bass reels,,,,,,,,,,
jtharris3 reply :
On 6/29/2014 at 11:18 AM, Scott F said:As an American that works for a company that manufactures products here in the US and has for well over 100 years, I am insulted that you don't believe that we take great pride in the machines that we produce. Some people may not be proud of the work they do. But I've been working for the same company for 34 years and my co-workers and myself build and stand behind our products and will match them with anything made anywhere in the world.
I hope you don't work for GM! 
Raul reply :
On 7/1/2014 at 2:47 AM, jtharris3 said:I hope you don't work for GM!
These pretty vehicles you get at your GM dealer come from the GM plant 30 Km from my home:
Crew Cab from the models Sierra and Cheyenne,
Cadillac Escalade,
Cadillac CTS,
Avalanche
Regular Pick Ups
Capt.Bob reply :
On 7/1/2014 at 2:47 AM, jtharris3 said:I hope you don't work for GM!
A big thank you if he does!! in I have been driving since I was 14 years old, drove about every make car truck and van made and I have owned 2 vehicles built in another country, both were J**K I have owned a couple foriegn brands but they were made here, much better than the other 2!!! But I own a truck and a car one has a few imported parts my truck but was built here, one has a lot of imported parts but was built here,,,,they both are made by GM and I have yet to put a dime in either other than a brake job on both and regular maintenance,,,,,76,000 mi. on the Pontiac, and 103,000 on GMC which I did last week put exhaust on from the cat back, only because the muffler bafle came loose inside and didn't like the rattle at an idle. My last pickup was a 1996 Ford F-350 made here with nearly no import parts, the first motor was replaced at ***410,000 mile*** I sold the truck with over 600,000 miles on it for $14,000.00, which was probably more than I spent in maintenance on it in the 15 years I drove it, This is why most who are willing to spend the money to buy American made also no the bennefits, those that buy foriegn to save a buck, well they will never understand and allways think they are an athourity!! Makke mine made in USA PLEASE!!! and THANK Those that do.
*Hootie reply :
8.4 million GM vehicle recall. Just now seen it on the news.
Hootie
Capt.Bob reply :
On 7/1/2014 at 5:16 AM, *Hootie said:8.4 million GM vehicle recall. Just now seen it on the news.
Hootie
Ya Hootie and a bunch of those are because if you hang your crescent wrench on your key chain it could turn you engine off if you hit a bump while its hanging in the ignition,,,,and many many more reasons that are similar, yes they had a couple real needs for recals, like Toyotas full throttling on their own, and some others, but most are like the ones when Ford caught the heat for using Firestone's on the explorer causing roll overs, and, on and on,,,,,most boil down to trying to make them IDIOT PROOF,,, but some are major engineering screw ups, but most recal's with all makers are simply trying to avoid being sued because someone uses something to an extreme, and wants to blame someone else for there own negligence when it causes problems! Right now with ignition fire hazard that GM ignored they are recalling anything needed or not, they were definitely in neglect
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On 7/1/2014 at 5:16 AM, *Hootie said:8.4 million GM vehicle recall. Just now seen it on the news.
Hootie
GM has already recalled 25.68 million this year
On 7/1/2014 at 5:30 AM, Capt.Bob said:Ya Hootie and a bunch of those are because if you hang your crescent wrench on your key chain it could turn you engine off if you hit a bump while its hanging in the ignition,,,,and many many more reasons that are similar,
That's a complete false, ignorant and misinformed statement. My wife has a chevy cobalt that doesn't have a "crescent" wrench hanging from it and her ignition slipped from a mere 2 keys going down the road. If you would like me to get a scale /w pictures, I assure you the weight difference is substantial. Learn the difference between a comma and a period if you actually want to make a compelling argument that even sounds remotely intelligent or articulate.
On 7/1/2014 at 5:30 AM, Capt.Bob said:but most recal's with all makers are simply trying to avoid being sued because someone uses something to an extreme, and wants to blame someone else for there own negligence when it causes problems! Right now with ignition fire hazard that GM ignored they are recalling anything needed or not, they were definitely in neglect
Recalls aren't given because somebody is using something "to an extreme". It's given because there is a potential problem or a reoccurring problem that needs to be addressed before anybody or more people get hurt/injured. This isn't the 1960's. There's thousands of more drivers on the road right now and it's much less "safe" to drive now then it is even 10 years ago. They best thing they can do for a vehicle now is make them safer or as you call it "idiot proof." At leastt look at a past list of prior recalls to any vehicle before stating something so asinine and you'll notice that just about ever single problem is engineer related....not user.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
What are almost all those? SAFETY (again, as you call it "idiot proofing") precautions.
Now you can go though the entire list that's pages upon pages and probably find something in there that you could argue is "using something to an extreme" or you could look at it as something that could potentially happen to your wife/daughter down the road. Hence..the recall.
*Hootie reply :
Hey Capt.Bob, I wasn't slamming GM. I just found it ironic that as I was reading your post and watching the news at the same time, that story came on. I have been the owner of several GM vehicles. Chevrolet, Pontiac, GMC Sierra sle, Buick lesabre and an Olds Intrigue. Worst car I ever owned was the Buick. Best was the Intrigue. Bought the 99 Intrigue new in October, 98 and drove it for eleven years. My Son is still driving it. A great car.
Hootie
Capt.Bob reply :
At our age were just lucky to still be alive according to some here, I don't know how I made it this long with both of my vehicles being in on those recalls, I'm lucky so are you it sounds like Hootie, no apology needed and I was denying what you said or slamming anyone, just saying much is bu****** along with the legitimate. I apologize I ain't been there before,,,,, today we have a thousand times the vehicles in the road and far less % of the problems we did years ago, that I do know!! I'll take my chances and it will be in a Ford or a GM I love living on the edge,,,,,,
I really could care less about the grammar or spelling lessons at my age,,, and bunch are bu******, no one said all are!! you probably missed that because of my punctuations?????
*Hootie reply :
Hey Capt. We may be old, we're not used up. I plan on being around long enough to wear out a few more vehicles...lol.
Hootie
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