Counterfeit Seaguar Invizix? 2024
FishTank reply :
I purchased a 1000 yard spool of 12lb Seaguar Invizx from Amazon and it does not look like what I have purchased in the past. It doesn't look like it is spooled very well and there is no Seaquar silver sticker. Also, there is no level wind logo on the front. The line seems like it's FC but it's hard to tell for sure. Can any of you guys tell if this is fake?
Bluebasser86 reply :
Did you buy it from a dealer or an individual?
FishTank reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 12:55 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Did you buy it from a dealer or an individual?
It was shipped and sold by Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Seaguar-Invizx-Fluorocarbon-Fishing-15-Pound/dp/B0039WA3US/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545109217&sr=8-3&keywords=seaguar%2Bfluorocarbon&th=1&psc=1
Bluebasser86 reply :
Hmm, I would assume it's good but I have the exact same spool of line and same lb test at home and it looks much nicer than that. It's wound perfectly and had the seaguar sticker on the spool.
Sam reply :
Probably not counterfeit but another type of line to fool you.
Check out how reputable the seller is with the understanding that relatives and friends make the good posts for the sellers.
And maybe the seller decided to sell the line after he removed the sticker and he did not like how it felt.
You can also contact Seaguar and ask them.
Hope you did not get ripped off.
waymont reply :
It's supposed to be on the 1000 yd spool perfectly level like this. That's one of the selling points.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 3:03 PM, waymont said:It's supposed to be on the 1000 yd spool perfectly level like this. That's one of the selling points.
Yep, that's how my spools look.
Tennessee Boy reply :
Well I clicked on the amazon link you provided and then clicked on "other sellers" and this was at the top of the list. Never heard of selling used fishing line. Could this be what you received?
A-Jay reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 12:23 PM, FishTank said:I purchased a 1000 yard spool of 12lb Seaguar Invizx from Amazon and it does not look like what I have purchased in the past. It doesn't look like it is spooled very well and there is no Seaquar silver sticker. Also, there is no level wind logo on the front. The line seems like it's FC but it's hard to tell for sure. Can any of you guys tell if this is fake?
Don't know what that is - but it looks like a mess.
A little more that 1/2 price - perhaps too good to be true
I'd be returning that one ASAP.
A-Jay
jbrew73 reply :
Amazon Schmamazon........I honestly feel better buying on eBay. Amazon listings often have one model#/upc code and pictures of another item. I’m sure they have a good return policy but I just don’t have confidence in buying from them.
A-Jay reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 12:36 AM, jbrew73 said:Amazon Schmamazon........I honestly feel better buying on eBay. Amazon listings often have one model#/upc code and pictures of another item. I’m sure they have a good return policy but I just don’t have confidence in buying from them.
Amazon routinely offers bulk spool pricing on quality line (all types) that is seriously below most Anything out there.
Been taking advantage of this for a while and the incident documented here is the first time I've seen or heard of something along these lines.
I do agree that E-Bay is also a fantastic source of supply where many killer deals can be found on all sorts of gear.
But you may not want to totally write of the Amazon thing completely.
(and the two-day shipping is pretty sweet !)
A-Jay
WRB reply :
Looks like someone spooled a few reels then returned the line to the seller.
Tom
J Francho reply :
I have a 1000 yard spook direct from Seaguar that was spoiled on their new spooling machine. I’ll take a look for it and try to get a pic to compare.
fishwizzard reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 12:36 AM, jbrew73 said:Amazon Schmamazon........I honestly feel better buying on eBay. Amazon listings often have one model#/upc code and pictures of another item. I’m sure they have a good return policy but I just don’t have confidence in buying from them.
Yea, I have given up on Amazon at this point. So so much bootleg stuff and they let sellers get away with refusing returns. PayPal is still heavily weighted towards the buyer and it's super easy to return stuff or get a refund.
A-Jay reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 12:23 PM, FishTank said:I purchased a 1000 yard spool of 12lb Seaguar Invizx from Amazon and it does not look like what I have purchased in the past. It doesn't look like it is spooled very well and there is no Seaquar silver sticker. Also, there is no level wind logo on the front. The line seems like it's FC but it's hard to tell for sure. Can any of you guys tell if this is fake?
On 12/18/2018 at 11:57 PM, A-Jay said:Don't know what that is - but it looks like a mess.
A little more that 1/2 price - perhaps too good to be true
I'd be returning that one ASAP.
A-Jay
On 12/19/2018 at 12:44 AM, A-Jay said:Amazon routinely offers bulk spool pricing on quality line (all types) that is seriously below most Anything out there.
Been taking advantage of this for a while and the incident documented here is the first time I've seen or heard of something along these lines.
I do agree that E-Bay is also a fantastic source of supply where many killer deals can be found on all sorts of gear.
But you may not want to totally write of the Amazon thing completely.
(and the two-day shipping is pretty sweet !)
A-Jay
**** Update ~ Timing is everything !
I JUST received (like 2 minutes ago) 3 spools of Tatsu purchased from "Poor Fish" at Amazon.
Totally Bogus ! No factory seal - all 3 're-spooled' - complete mess.
Already boxed for return & refund along with a nice little note to Amazon & the seller.
Going to need a different source of supply for my bulk spool line needs.
Fairly disappointed but not surprised.
And Yes - PayPal is the way to go for your internet shopping needs.
A-Jay
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
I ordered fishing line from amazon a few time. One time I got line that been obviously used, the lebel got poked in the middle and no sealed. Just a week ago I order what supposed to be 4lb bulk spoool but I got 6lb instead. The manufacturer label obviously show 6lb but UPC sticker for 4lb go figure.
I think a lot of ppl that work for amazon distribution centers are fisherman, I also ordered Senko Kit a few years back and I got what was unsealed box with all the 4” Senko missing.
Lucky Amazon customer service is top notch, everything had been resolved pretty quick.
waymont reply :
The idea of selling used fishing line is pretty funny to me. Anyone need some used diapers or used chicken skin????
Holiday gifts!
flatcreek reply :
Selling used fishing line is just plain sorry.
A-Jay reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 5:30 AM, flatcreek said:Selling used fishing line is just plain sorry.
It sure is - and what might be even worse is my sorry carcass order it !
I do not think it was used - just replace with an inferior (insert Cheaper) product).
A-Jay (aka the sucker born every day)
jbrew73 reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, A-Jay said:It sure is - and what might be even worse is my sorry carcass order it !
I do not think it was used - just replace with an inferior (insert Cheaper) product).
A-Jay (aka the sucker born every day)
amazon schmamazon! ????
even though I do buy some items from them I just don’t have a lot of faith in them.
WRB reply :
TW has Seaguar InvisX, Tatsu and all other types on clearance sale.
Tom
A-Jay reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 6:30 AM, WRB said:TW has Seaguar InvisX, Tatsu and all other types on clearance sale.
Tom
Hope it's not be the mess I just sent back !
A-Jay
A-Jay reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 6:30 AM, WRB said:TW has Seaguar InvisX, Tatsu and all other types on clearance sale.
Tom
Sure is - Seaguar web site my order is $420 plus shipping
TW my order is $270 including shipping
A-Jay
FishTank reply :
When I purchased the spool it was $67 and was listed as new. After contacting Amazon and getting a refund, they have changed the listing and deleted my review. They also let me keep the spool.
I have tried to contact Seaguar and have had no luck. I got nowhere with the 800 number I was able to dig up and I also emailed them but no response. I tried a few obvious things..... I cut a piece to see if it sinks or floats> It sinks immediately. I tried burning a small piece> Supposedly if it is real FC, it will not drip when it is set on fire. I also compared it to a 200 yard spool and line looks different but I am not really sure how to describe it.
Here is another weird thing...... This is a pic from Tackle Warehouses website. It looks sort of like what I received.
A-Jay reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 7:02 AM, FishTank said:When I purchased the spool it was $67 and was listed as new. After contacting Amazon and getting a refund, they have changed the listing and deleted my review. They also let me keep the spool.
I have tried to contact Seaguar and have had no luck. I got nowhere with the 800 number I was able to dig up and I also emailed them but no response. I tried a few obvious things..... I cut a piece to see if it sinks or floats> It sinks immediately. I tried burning a small piece> Supposedly if it is real FC, it will not drip when it is set on fire. I also compared it to a 200 yard spool and line looks different but I am not really sure how to describe it.
Here is another weird thing...... This is a pic from Tackle Warehouses website. It looks sort of like what I received.
The line I got & returned was from 'Poor Fish' a vendor on Amazon, it was clearly 'REPACKAGE' something - I don't know what - nor do I care.
But IT WAS NOT FACTORY SEALED like every spool I've purchased in the past - regardless or where.
So there's that.
A-Jay
Stephen B reply :
It's awful that people would do this. Do not buy line unless it's from a dealer. If the deal looks too good to pass up usually theres a reason. Pay a little more and pay from a true dealer.
On 12/18/2018 at 1:20 PM, Sam said:Probably not counterfeit but another type of line to fool you.
Thinking the same. This isn't Invizx as it's not levelwound but the best thing to do is to compare it and contact the seller and Amazon.
Arcs&sparks reply :
Judging by OP’s pic and the tackle warehouse pic, which don’t sport the level wind logo, they must make a spool that’s not levelwound..
kschultz76 reply :
Tackle Supply Depot has some fantastic prices on many brands and types of line right now. Like Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo for $12 a spool.
Sucks you you have to deal with this, but glad Amazon fixed you up with a refund.
WRB reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 11:56 AM, kschultz76 said:Tackle Supply Depot has some fantastic prices on many brands and types of line right now. Like Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo for $12 a spool.
Sucks you you have to deal with this, but glad Amazon fixed you up with a refund.
$11.69 a spool with Zero available.
Tom
kschultz76 reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 1:05 PM, WRB said:$11.69 a spool with Zero available.
Tom
Better look again, states very clearly on their website that they have every size of that line in stock and available. I’m not in the habit of posting misleading info here.
WRB reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 11:24 PM, kschultz76 said:Better look again, states very clearly on their website that they have every size of that line in stock and available. I’m not in the habit of posting misleading info here.
Thank you, wil try contacting them,
Tom
kschultz76 reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 12:37 AM, WRB said:Thank you, wil try contacting them,
Tom
I’ve purchased from them before and gotten great service.
kenmitch reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 1:15 AM, kschultz76 said:I’ve purchased from them before and gotten great service.
Thanks! Good to hear as I wound up ordering some stuff from them. I used paypal just in case.
Been looking for some line for my new swimbait combo and couldn't make up my mind. Wound up ordering a couple of options and some treble hooks to upgrade some lipless baits. They do have a 20% off code HOLIDAY for regular priced items if you need some fillers to get free or cheaper priority shipping.
Guess I'll make up my mind which line I'll use when they get here.
As far as the original topic of the thread. I would have also questioned and returned that spool of line. I tend to only buy items on Amazon that are sold and shipped by Amazon. Sometimes I'll deviate and purchase items that are fulfilled by Amazon and sold by another seller.
fin reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 12:23 PM, FishTank said:I purchased a 1000 yard spool of 12lb Seaguar Invizx from Amazon and it does not look like what I have purchased in the past. It doesn't look like it is spooled very well and there is no Seaquar silver sticker. Also, there is no level wind logo on the front. The line seems like it's FC but it's hard to tell for sure. Can any of you guys tell if this is fake?
There's no "level wind" logo next to the bar code. Some have it and some don't. I don't know if there's a different UPC.
OnthePotomac reply :
There are bulk spools which are not level wound, but with on line shopping you cannot see what is coming. I lucked out and my 1000 yd spool of 15lb Invizx from Amazon was level wound and came with a heavy plastic snap on shield over the line. I have purchased countless items from them for the boat. My wife lives out of Amazon and their return policy is incredible and when you go on line for a return label you can tell them why it is coming back. I slap the label on the box, call UPS and they zip by and pick it up. Real easy to return.
ChrisD46 reply :
On 12/18/2018 at 11:57 PM, A-Jay said:Don't know what that is - but it looks like a mess.
A little more that 1/2 price - perhaps too good to be true
I'd be returning that one ASAP.
A-Jay
+1 with A-Jay , that can't be factory line from Seaguar as it looks like it was wound on from a small powered line winder ... *From the sister company "See-Gar" in China , this line only used once in the Yellow River for Perch fishing . All kidding aside , Amazon has been known to be bitten by semi - shady suppliers . As large as Amazon is and as fast as they are growing - It's difficult for them to vet all suppliers 100% .
FishTank reply :
So am I finally got a response to the email and pics I sent to Seaguar.
Here is my email
I believe I received some counterfeit Seaguar Invisix. How can I tell? I ordered it from Amazon. The spool has a label but no level wind logo and there is no silver seaguar logo line tape holder like my old spool.
Here is their response
Thank you for informing us about your concern regarding the change in spooling of the 1000yd Seaguar fluorocarbon fishing line. Please rest assured that this change has not affected the performance or quality of the Seaguar fishing line that you know from us. Before making this change, we conducted numerous tests across several different fishing applications that resulted with no issues in overall quality. The strength, abrasion resistance, softness, castability, stretch, and line memory are all intact.
Thank you for support in Seaguar.
Sounds like I got the real thing but they chose to change the packaging and level winding the line.
tander reply :
I was watching a fishing you tube and he was talking about this. Seems like this is how they do it now.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 7:04 AM, FishTank said:So am I finally got a response to the email and pics I sent to Seaguar.
Here is my email
I believe I received some counterfeit Seaguar Invisix. How can I tell? I ordered it from Amazon. The spool has a label but no level wind logo and there is no silver seaguar logo line tape holder like my old spool.
Here is their response
Thank you for informing us about your concern regarding the change in spooling of the 1000yd Seaguar fluorocarbon fishing line. Please rest assured that this change has not affected the performance or quality of the Seaguar fishing line that you know from us. Before making this change, we conducted numerous tests across several different fishing applications that resulted with no issues in overall quality. The strength, abrasion resistance, softness, castability, stretch, and line memory are all intact.
Thank you for support in Seaguar.
Sounds like I got the real thing but they chose to change the packaging and level winding the line.
On 1/10/2019 at 7:14 AM, tander said:I was watching a fishing you tube and he was talking about this. Seems like this is how they do it now.
I got the same email from Seaguar - had gone to spam - after seeing this one I went to check it and it was there.
I had re-ordered 2 ea 200yds spools of 25lb and another 1000yd spool of 20 lb from TW during the clearance sale last month. The 25lb spools arrived in the factory sealed box I'm accustomed to. The 1000yd spool of 20lb was also in a factory sealed 'package' BUT was NOT on the spool in the "Level wind" condition every previously ordered bulk spool I ordered was.
Either way, seems it's the same line.
Wonder why they stopped level winding it ?
A-Jay
kschultz76 reply :
Thanks FishTank and A-Jay for updating this thread with what you heard from Seaguar.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:36 AM, kschultz76 said:Thanks FishTank and A-Jay for updating this thread with what you heard from Seaguar.
For what it's worth - unless they provide me a reason to stop using their products, I'll continue to do so.
If it turns out to be a debacle - you'll know right after I do.
A-Jay
FishTank reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:07 AM, A-Jay said:
I got the same email from Seaguar - had gone to spam - after seeing this one I went to check it and it was there.
I had re-ordered 2 ea 200yds spools of 25lb and another 1000yd spool of 20 lb from TW during the clearance sale last month. The 25lb spools arrived in the factory sealed box I'm accustomed to. The 1000yd spool of 20lb was also in a factory sealed 'package' BUT was NOT on the spool in the "Level wind" condition every previously ordered bulk spool I ordered was.
Either way, seems it's the same line.
Wonder why they stopped level winding it ?
A-Jay
Odd thing is, when I first received it and asked Amazon for a refund, which they gave me, I never received any info on what to do with the spool I had so I called them. After being on hold with someone for about 15 min. so they could talk to a supervisor, they said to keep it. Two weeks go by and another spool showed up that I did not order. I called and they said it was to replace the one I had that was bad but it was exactly the same as the first. I asked if I was being charged and they said no it was an exchange. I then told them I had already received a refund for the original. They said keep it, no charge. So now I have two spools for nothing. Fake, not leveled wind, or even the real thing, I got two 1000 yard spools of line for free. I have no complaints.
kschultz76 reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:39 AM, A-Jay said:For what it's worth - unless they provide me a reason to stop using their products, I'll continue to do so.
If it turns out to be a debacle - you'll know right after I do.
A-Jay
Totally agree, I’m not turned off to Seaguar by this at all.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:45 AM, FishTank said:
Odd thing is, when I first received it and asked Amazon for a refund, which they gave me, I never received any info on what to do with the spool I had so I called them. After being on hold with someone for about 15 min. so they could talk to a supervisor, they said to keep it. Two weeks go by and another spool showed up that I did not order. I called and they said it was to replace the one I had that was bad but it was exactly the same as the first. I asked if I was being charged and they said no it was an exchange. I then told them I had already received a refund for the original. They said keep it, no charge. So now I have two spools for nothing. Fake, not leveled wind, or even the real thing, I got two 1000 yard spools of line for free. I have no complaints.
Sweet - I guess.
With this new info from Seaguar - seems there is at least a chance, that I may have returned perfectly good line and then re-ordered the exact same thing for 25% more $$$$
Not exactly my proudest moment - but I didn't know.
A-Jay
tander reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:07 AM, A-Jay said:
Wonder why they stopped level winding it ?
A-Jay
Don't know for sure but I bet it has to do with money. ????
FishTank reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:45 AM, kschultz76 said:Totally agree, I’m not turned off to Seaguar by this at all.
Not turned off either. I just purchased a spool each of Seaguar's braid and some more Tatsu.
I will have to wait until spring to see how the non-level wind Invizx works out.
fishwizzard reply :
On 1/10/2019 at 8:45 AM, kschultz76 said:Totally agree, I’m not turned off to Seaguar by this at all.
I am not either, but it does beg the question, "If it has no effect, why did the bother doing it in the first place?"
I suspect it's cheaper to not lay the line on level but I do kinda believe that it doesn't do much other then look cool.
fin reply :
They ought to update their website if they're going to change the way they do it.
Quote
What is Level Wind Technology and why does it make a difference?
Only Seaguar has Level Wind Technology in the fluorocarbon market. Level Wind Technology helps: Maintain Strength, Keep line Smoother, and Increase Cast-ability.
https://www.seaguar.com/applications/faqs.html
J Francho reply :
Finally dug mine out. My 1000 yd. spool looks just like yours. They sent it to me to test and respond to the new spooling machine.
CrankFate reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 12:47 AM, WRB said:Looks like someone spooled a few reels then returned the line to the seller.
Tom
Sold and shipped by Amazon should be legit. But there’s always the possibility of a return getting reshipped. Trust me, direct from the manufacturer, I got “brand new” used broken washer and dryer pedestals ordered direct from Samsung.com, and they were the newest ones they had.
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