Ambassadeur c4 vs Revo Beast vs Cardif A 2024
hwright38 reply :
I'm looking for a "big fish reel." I would like to try a round reel, but I don't know how well they cast compared to low-profile reels. Would you rather have a ~$140 round reel or a ~$280 bigger low profile?
redmeansdistortion reply :
C4, but I love me some Ambassadeurs. You can find C4s for $80 to $100 if you look around.
hwright38 reply :
On 3/2/2019 at 10:15 AM, redmeansdistortion said:C4
Do you have a problem casting since the level wind doesn't disengage? I've heard that can cut your distance quite a bit
redmeansdistortion reply :
Not at all. The synchronized level wind does affect distance, but not much to be of concern. A fresh out of the box Abu C3 or C4 will throw 1/2oz baits out to and past 50yd in the hands of an experienced caster.
OkobojiEagle reply :
There is smoother line flow during the cast when the line guide is synchronized with the line coming from the spool.
oe
diehardbassfishing reply :
Correct - casting distance does not suffer. Always a pleasant surprise when I shift from one of my Daiwa Mag Force Z reels to an Ambassadeur 4000 or 5000 series Ultra-cast (C3/C4 design), two brake block reel. They just do it right!
Karl
Bankbeater reply :
I would go with the C4. I bought a used 5600C4 back in November of 2005 and retired it at the end of last year. The only thing that ever went out on it was the pawl in the level wind.
redmeansdistortion reply :
I fish Ambassadeurs almost exclusively. I say almost because I do use spinning tackle from time to time, but with baitcasters, it's always the Swedish round fellers. Some of them are over 30 years old and still work like new. My only complaint about Ambassadeurs involves the manufacturing process. They really like to slather thick peanut butter grease all over everything! I get it, they are building their product for a crowd that seldom or never maintains their gear, but all that grease slows them down considerably. The greased worm gear in particularly rubs me the wrong way. When oiled, the spool rotates much easier and the line guide moves nice and smooth because the pawl isn't cutting it's way through grease. Picture a greased vs oiled worm like driving through snow vs dry pavement. When I rebuild, I use oil on the level wind and run the spool pinion and idler gear dry and the reel really flies then. A properly lubed 4600 C3 or C4 should have no trouble casting even 1/4oz baits trouble free, but that's about their limit unless open your wallet for tuner parts.
CrankFate reply :
I would not choose any of these. But the synchronized levelwind is drastically underrated. It works better than magnets in spool control with hard casting. It also causes less start up inertia on the spool when a big fish runs on drag.
kenmitch reply :
On 3/2/2019 at 10:14 PM, redmeansdistortion said:I fish Ambassadeurs almost exclusively. I say almost because I do use spinning tackle from time to time, but with baitcasters, it's always the Swedish round fellers. Some of them are over 30 years old and still work like new. My only complaint about Ambassadeurs involves the manufacturing process. They really like to slather thick peanut butter grease all over everything! I get it, they are building their product for a crowd that seldom or never maintains their gear, but all that grease slows them down considerably. The greased worm gear in particularly rubs me the wrong way. When oiled, the spool rotates much easier and the line guide moves nice and smooth because the pawl isn't cutting it's way through grease. Picture a greased vs oiled worm like driving through snow vs dry pavement. When I rebuild, I use oil on the level wind and run the spool pinion and idler gear dry and the reel really flies then. A properly lubed 4600 C3 or C4 should have no trouble casting even 1/4oz baits trouble free, but that's about their limit unless open your wallet for tuner parts.
I'm going to have to check into the peanut butter grease issue you mentioned. I picked up a new C4-5600 back in December during one of those eBay coupon deals. On sale for $99 -15% off coupon -$50 giftcard I payed $5 for (used CC rewards) I'm into it for around $40 or so. Weathers been sucky here is SoCal the last few months on my days off at least. I've only played around with it one time so far and that was a quick trip, casting from shore when my 795SB was delivered. I wasn't impressed by it's casting distance. Not like it didn't cast far, just more like I felt like I could cast further, but the reel was holding me back. Maybe it'll take some practice with the combo? Maybe I need to tear it down and clean and oil it. I looked at some of the mods they sell for it and they're not really too pricey depending on what you get. I'm guessing possibly just a clean out and lightly lube/oil would be the 1st thing to try before going the mod route. I'll be fishing it from my kayak sitting down so any distance improvements I can achieve will be of use.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/2/2019 at 11:19 PM, kenmitch said:I'm going to have to check into the peanut butter grease issue you mentioned. I picked up a new C4-5600 back in December during one of those eBay coupon deals. On sale for $99 -15% off coupon -$50 giftcard I payed $5 for (used CC rewards) I'm into it for around $40 or so. Weathers been sucky here is SoCal the last few months on my days off at least. I've only played around with it one time so far and that was a quick trip, casting from shore when my 795SB was delivered. I wasn't impressed by it's casting distance. Not like it didn't cast far, just more like I felt like I could cast further, but the reel was holding me back. Maybe it'll take some practice with the combo? Maybe I need to tear it down and clean and oil it. I looked at some of the mods they sell for it and they're not really too pricey depending on what you get. I'm guessing possibly just a clean out and lightly lube/oil would be the 1st thing to try before going the mod route. I'll be fishing it from my kayak sitting down so any distance improvements I can achieve will be of use.
Here are my recommendations for a new Ambassadeur. Clean out all grease, and also clean out the anti-reverse bearing. Grease the gears, pinion yoke, and all other areas with metal to metal contact. Oil the bearings, worm gear, and the idler gear post. Also look at how many brake blocks are engaged. Personally, I don't use them. To be on the safe side, run 2 of them, but if your thumb is good, I don't condone their use.
The new production Ambassadeur is a very fine reel when properly lubed. It's smooth and casts easy. Honestly, I don't feel they need to be upgraded unless you're going for considerable distances.
crypt reply :
round reels fish just like any reel. cast as far ,just as smooth. just round. most are a little heavier than low profile reels but are almost bulletproof. I've got 45/4600s that are 20-35 years old that I still use all the time.
WRB reply :
Let me think....Garcia or Shimano reel, slam dunk go with the Cardiff 300A.
Tom
hwright38 reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 12:24 AM, WRB said:Let me think....Garcia or Shimano reel, slam dunk go with the Cardiff 300A.
Tom
What's your reasoning there?
waymont reply :
C4. I broke my old one out last suofor some surf casting for blues and stripers using 1/2 and 3/4 bucktails and it was slinging them way out there with 15lb big game line. I was impressed. I forgot what a great casters these reels are.
WRB reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 12:26 AM, hwright38 said:What's your reasoning there?
Having fished with Abu Ambassador Garcia reels from the mid 60's to early 90's, about 30 years with 500, 5000C, 4500C and 2500C reels I know them well. Changed to Daiwa and Shimano reels in the 90's. Shimano reels are superior in construction and performance at every level.
The legacy Ambassador reels, pre 2000, have a cult like following. Don Iovino refurbishes and super tunes those reels and it's amazing the number of reels he does annually.
Tom
Tennessee Boy reply :
Shimano is a company with a long history of building quality innovative reels. Abu Garcia was a company with a similar history that was bought by Pure Fishing which was bought by the company that makes Rubbermaid products and was recently sold to a company whose greatest success is in Cold Water Creek women’s clothing stores. History is important to me so I buy my reels from Shimano and my panties from Cold Water Creek. ????
hwright38 reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 5:48 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Shimano is a company with a long history of building quality innovative reels. Abu Garcia was a company with a similar history that was bought by Pure Fishing which was bought by the company that makes Rubbermaid products and was recently sold to a company whose greatest success is in Cold Water Creek women’s clothing stores. History is important to me so I buy my reels from Shimano and my panties from Cold Water Creek. ????
Eh, I don't really buy into that. Companies get bought out all the time, and heck, even Shimano has their hands in other cookie jars. I have multiple Abu products and they're all quality, especially for the price. I'm not interested in valuing a reel based off speculation because of who makes it, but from it's individual performance.
MN Fisher reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 5:48 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Shimano is a company with a long history of building quality innovative reels. Abu Garcia was a company with a similar history that was bought by Pure Fishing which was bought by the company that makes Rubbermaid products and was recently sold to a company whose greatest success is in Cold Water Creek women’s clothing stores. History is important to me so I buy my reels from Shimano and my panties from Cold Water Creek. ????
So that means you stay away from Berkley, Fenwick, Mitchell, Penn, Pflueger, Shakespeare, Spiderwire and Stren as well?
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 6:14 AM, MN Fisher said:So that means you stay away from Berkley, Fenwick, Mitchell, Penn, Pflueger, Shakespeare, Spiderwire and Stren as well?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying everything made by Pure Fishing is bad. The new owners might be the best thing that has happened to the company. It just troubles me when a company I love is bought and turned into a brand. It doesn’t always end badly. Humminbird has changed owners several times and they are making the best products in their history in my opinion. But to answer your question, I avoid all of the brands you listed for these reasons with the exception of their fishing line brands.
MN Fisher reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 6:25 AM, Tennessee Boy said:But to answer your question, I avoid all of the brands you listed for these reasons with the exception of their fishing line brands.
Well, to each their own I guess. I have reels from two of the listed brands - both made under the Jarden/Newell Brands ownership - and I'm very happy with them. They're solid, smooth and sturdy.
On 3/3/2019 at 5:55 AM, hwright38 said:I'm not interested in valuing a reel based off speculation because of who makes it, but from it's individual performance.
Totally agree with this. It's the item itself that matters - not who the ultimate parent company is.
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 5:55 AM, hwright38 said:I'm not interested in valuing a reel based off speculation because of who makes it, but from it's individual performance.
And I’m not suggesting that everyone should make their purchasing decisions the same way I do. I just hope that the CEO of the company that made the product I’m fishing with likes to fish. In most cases I have no idea who the CEO is or what they like to do. I know Lew Childre and Forest Wood liked to fish when they were running their companies and I know it made a huge difference in the quality of their products.
kenmitch reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 5:48 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Shimano is a company with a long history of building quality innovative reels. Abu Garcia was a company with a similar history that was bought by Pure Fishing which was bought by the company that makes Rubbermaid products and was recently sold to a company whose greatest success is in Cold Water Creek women’s clothing stores. History is important to me so I buy my reels from Shimano and my panties from Cold Water Creek. ????
My C4 was made in Sweden for whatever that's worth....Abu was Swedish born.
MN Fisher reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 7:53 AM, kenmitch said:My C4 was made in Sweden for whatever that's worth....Abu was Swedish born.
One other thing to remember is that Garcia was a separate company, founded in the US, and was Abu's distributor for a number of years before Abu bought them out in the 50s and renamed the combined company Abu Garcia.
WRB reply :
Growth via Acquisition was and is a method to add deversity and profit to the bottom line. The 80's & 90's was a time period when acquisitions were common and most had some synergy to the management and products being acquired. Somewhere along the line synergy became lost and profits for the share holders rules.
Garcia company who purchased the Abu Ambassador reels made in Sweden no longer exist as a manufacturing facility, it's a assembly plant. The round style baitcasting reel added low profile made in China, followed by the round reels being made in China to reduce production cost increasing profits. The first thing that goes is quality control because it's added cost, the customer becomes QA department.
The next item that goes away are high end metals replaced by less expensive materials the original reels used that developed the companies reputation.
Today Garcia Abu Ambassador reels are a brand name that is outsourced. Shimano and Daiwa are both still a companies that stands behind their products, have quality control departments and maintain inventory of parts and service.
Tom
Tennessee Boy reply :
@WRB you said what it better than I can. There is a difference between a brand and a company. I have some Abu reels that my grandfather owned. I don’t use them but I pull them out occasionally and admire them. I don’t think the Abu Garcia heritage is completely dead. I know some of the old style reels are still made in Sweden. People tend to be very brand loyal when they should be loyal to the people that built the brand. The new owners of Pure Fishing are under no obligation to maintain the Swedish tradition of Abu Garcia.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
If you look closely I think the Ambassaduers are now described as Swedish “Engineered”.
FishTank reply :
I like the C4 but the Cardiff is just a better reel. If you are actually looking between a $140 and a $280 reel, I would suggest looking at the Shimano Calcutta>smooth and built like a tank.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 7:58 AM, WRB said:Growth via Acquisition was and is a method to add deversity and profit to the bottom line. The 80's & 90's was a time period when acquisitions were common and most had some synergy to the management and products being acquired. Somewhere along the line synergy became lost and profits for the share holders rules.
Garcia company who purchased the Abu Ambassador reels made in Sweden no longer exist as a manufacturing facility, it's a assembly plant. The round style baitcasting reel added low profile made in China, followed by the round reels being made in China to reduce production cost increasing profits. The first thing that goes is quality control because it's added cost, the customer becomes QA department.
The next item that goes away are high end metals replaced by less expensive materials the original reels used that developed the companies reputation.
Today Garcia Abu Ambassador reels are a brand name that is outsourced. Shimano and Daiwa are both still a companies that stands behind their products, have quality control departments and maintain inventory of parts and service.
Tom
Abu still makes many reels in Sweden but outside of the C3, C4, and Pro Rocket, we don't see their other Swedish models stateside unless you buy from a company that imports them. The Ambassadeur 7000 is made in Taiwan, while the BCX, S, SX, and STX are the Chinese made round reels. I own some of those international market reels (4500CS Rocket, 5500CS Pro Rocket, 6500CS Rocket) and they are fantastic. The international reels are mainly marketed towards the European and Japanese markets, and are fine reels just like those made in the 20th century. Like Daiwa and Shimano, Abu maintains a parts inventory and stands behind their Swedish reels. This is why many people love them, because they still make parts for reels long out of production.
OkobojiEagle reply :
Where are the Morrums made?
oe
dodgeguy reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 5:48 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Shimano is a company with a long history of building quality innovative reels. Abu Garcia was a company with a similar history that was bought by Pure Fishing which was bought by the company that makes Rubbermaid products and was recently sold to a company whose greatest success is in Cold Water Creek women’s clothing stores. History is important to me so I buy my reels from Shimano and my panties from Cold Water Creek. ????
Can we see pictures of your panties ?
On 3/4/2019 at 1:25 AM, OkobojiEagle said:Where are the Morrums made?
oe
Sweden
hwright38 reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 10:05 PM, FishTank said:I like the C4 but the Cardiff is just a better reel. If you are actually looking between a $140 and a $280 reel, I would suggest looking at the Shimano Calcutta>smooth and built like a tank.
I don't know if I'd spend that much on a round reel the first time around. I only included the Beast as it was a low-profile (something I'm much more used to). I may just have to pony up the cash for it a Calcutta (though after a cursory glance at TW, they don't have the size I'd need in a left handed reel), but as it stands I can get a C4 or a Cardiff for under $100.
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 9:31 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:If you look closely I think the Ambassaduers are now described as Swedish “Engineered”.
I’ve seen that term used before. I do think a few of their reels like the C3 are made there. Tackle Warehouse says “Made In Sweden” on 5 round models.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/3/2019 at 9:31 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:If you look closely I think the Ambassaduers are now described as Swedish “Engineered”.
That's what it says on the package of most of their reels made in SE Asia. The C3, C4, CS Rocket, and Morrum are all made and assembled in Sweden, even all of their parts are. There's a good video on YouTube that shows a tour of their Svangsta plant. It shows the frames and side plates being made, gears being hobbed, smaller metal parts being stamped, you name it.
kenmitch reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:45 AM, redmeansdistortion said:That's what it says on the package of most of their reels made in SE Asia. The C3, C4, CS Rocket, and Morrum are all made and assembled in Sweden, even all of their parts are. There's a good video on YouTube that shows a tour of their Svangsta plant. It shows the frames and side plates being made, gears being hobbed, smaller metal parts being stamped, you name it.
Abu for life!
Is that in the really long video that shows the history of Abu?
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:52 AM, kenmitch said:Abu for life!
Is that in the really long video that shows the history of Abu?
Some is in there but not the hobbing machine. That's from a different video and I'm having a very hard time finding it.
WRB reply :
Try finding parts for the legacy Ambaasador reels, most are being salvaged.
Before I retired I had my prototype shop make short run parts for these reels because no stock existed. I don't know a single trophy bass angler in California who uses Ambassador C3 or C4 reels for swimbaits or any other lure today.
Tom
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 8:03 AM, WRB said:Try finding parts for the legacy Ambaasador reels, most are being salvaged.
Before I retired I had my prototype shop make short run parts for these reels because no stock existed. I don't know a single trophy bass angler in California who uses Ambassador C3 or C4 reels for swimbaits or any other lure today.
Tom
Lets be realistic. Can you find a brand new OEM fender liner for a '49 Crown Victoria at the local parts house? Probably not, no longer in production. I'd expect any manufacturer to stop production on something long discontinued. As far as Abu goes, there are a few shops that carry most parts. I've never encountered a situation where I couldn't obtain a part I needed, especially on the Ultracast models that have been made the last 30 years. Most everybody sells those parts. Heck, Abu still makes every single part for the Pro Max/Black Max 1600 and 3600 reels. I just bought a new drive shaft and return spring for one not long ago right from eReplacement Parts. Those reels have been out of production for 25 years.
WRB reply :
You would be surprised how extensive the auto parts after market is!
If Professional reel techs can't find parts that have all the resources why would you think they would pay a premium to have parts made if they are available anywhere in the world?
The OP's question is regarding current production C4 vs Cardiff for swimbaits and Cardiff wins with 1 Piece frame, superior drag components, 5.8:1 gear ratio and Shimano crank handle. The fact the level wind disengages increases casting distance. Those Are a few reasons swimbait anglers prefer Shimano reels.
Abu Ambassador reels had their day, now they have a hard core following and I understand that after using those reels for 30 years.
Tom
Catt reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 3:19 AM, hwright38 said:I don't know if I'd spend that much on a round reel the first time around. I only included the Beast as it was a low-profile (something I'm much more used to). I may just have to pony up the cash for it a Calcutta (though after a cursory glance at TW, they don't have the size I'd need in a left handed reel), but as it stands I can get a C4 or a Cardiff for under $100.
First let's clarify some thing, when I did this comparison it was not to establish interchangeability of parts. It was to determine why two reels with similar specifications could have $100 difference in price.
Being a manufacturing engineer in the aerospace industry I had access to every nondestructive inspection known and digitizing equipment capable of finding tolerances to 0.0001".
This data was feed into a computer program that compared the two and found no significant differences other than number of bearings (Calcutta 3+1 & Cardiff 4+1).
I'm not sure what process was used to test drag but our data showed the Cardiff lacking by 0.331 lbs.
The only real difference is the Cardiff is Die Cast while the Calcutta is Cold Forged, both have the same structural rigidity. Cold Forging requires less machining of final surfaces but the process is more expensive thus the price difference. To farther explain this look at the outer surfaces of the reel frames, the Calcutta is smoother than the Cardiff. That's Cold Forged compared to Die Cast!
Reels tested
Calcutta CT100A
Cardiff CDF100A
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 7:09 PM, Catt said:
First let's clarify some thing, when I did this comparison it was not to establish interchangeability of parts. It was to determine why two reels with similar specifications could have $100 difference in price.
Being a manufacturing engineer in the aerospace industry I had access to every nondestructive inspection known and digitizing equipment capable of finding tolerances to 0.0001".
This data was feed into a computer program that compared the two and found no significant differences other than number of bearings (Calcutta 3+1 & Cardiff 4+1).
I'm not sure what process was used to test drag but our data showed the Cardiff lacking by 0.331 lbs.
The only real difference is the Cardiff is Die Cast while the Calcutta is Cold Forged, both have the same structural rigidity. Cold Forging requires less machining of final surfaces but the process is more expensive thus the price difference. To farther explain this look at the outer surfaces of the reel frames, the Calcutta is smoother than the Cardiff. That's Cold Forged compared to Die Cast!
Reels tested
Calcutta CT100A
Cardiff CDF100A
Great post, very informative.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:52 AM, WRB said:You would be surprised how extensive the auto parts after market is!
If Professional reel techs can't find parts that have all the resources why would you think they would pay a premium to have parts made if they are available anywhere in the world?
The OP's question is regarding current production C4 vs Cardiff for swimbaits and Cardiff wins with 1 Piece frame, superior drag components, 5.8:1 gear ratio and Shimano crank handle. The fact the level wind disengages increases casting distance. Those Are a few reasons swimbait anglers prefer Shimano reels.
Abu Ambassador reels had their day, now they have a hard core following and I understand that after using those reels for 30 years.
Tom
Myself as well as many other salmon/steelhead anglers surf fish Lake Huron and Lake Michigan with live alewives, crayfish, smelt, and gizzard shad. The reels I see most often are the Penn Squall and Abu 6500. Often times, it can be 100yd or greater distance you need to cast and those reels really put them out there.
hwright38 reply :
On 3/4/2019 at 11:52 AM, WRB said:The OP's question is regarding current production C4 vs Cardiff for swimbaits
Thank you for getting back on track lol. I started a little more intense discussion than I intended, eh?
Thank you @redmeansdistortion and @Catt for the information. I will have to check prices and availability again, but I think I can get the C4 for a little less than the Cardiff, and in the size/handedness that I need. It seems like for me either reel would be more than enough for the few times I need it (I live in Utah, a big bass here is 5lbs, and a big cat is maybe 15lbs; honestly I only need line capacity).
Thank you all so much for the information. I thought I knew a thing or two about reels but this is a whole new planet that I've never even caught a glimpse of until now!
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 1:41 AM, hwright38 said:Thank you for getting back on track lol. I started a little more intense discussion than I intended, eh?
Thank you @redmeansdistortion and @Catt for the information. I will have to check prices and availability again, but I think I can get the C4 for a little less than the Cardiff, and in the size/handedness that I need. It seems like for me either reel would be more than enough for the few times I need it (I live in Utah, a big bass here is 5lbs, and a big cat is maybe 15lbs; honestly I only need line capacity).
Thank you all so much for the information. I thought I knew a thing or two about reels but this is a whole new planet that I've never even caught a glimpse of until now!
Yeah things can get pretty heated here when we get into brand preferences. In all honesty, any quality new production reel should last you many years no matter the make. Like any other industry, companies that sell garbage soon find themselves liquidated.
Catt reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 1:41 AM, hwright38 said:(I live in Utah, a big bass here is 5lbs, and a big cat is maybe 15lbs; honestly I only need line capacity).
Am I missing something?
Why do you feel like you need a reel the size of an Ambassadeur or Cardiff?
WRB reply :
This thread asked a simple question which reel is better for swimbaits?
I answered Cardiff over C4 based on my experience. The C4 cost more $140 vs $120 using TW prices.
C4 frame is stamped brass plates supported by pressed in posts. As Catt detailed the Cardiff has a 1 piece aluminum frame. That might not seem like a big difference however the stronge frame is very important to reel performance.
It makes no difference to me what he OP buys, just sharing my extended experience both reels used to fish swimbaits.
Peace,
Tom
hwright38 reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 2:27 AM, Catt said:
Am I missing something?
Why do you feel like you need a reel the size of an Ambassadeur or Cardiff?
On 3/5/2019 at 1:41 AM, hwright38 said:(I live in Utah, a big bass here is 5lbs, and a big cat is maybe 15lbs; honestly I only need line capacity).
Both the Ambassadeur and the Cardiff also come in a reel about the same size as a standard baitcaster anyways.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 4:18 AM, hwright38 said:
Both the Ambassadeur and the Cardiff also come in a reel about the same size as a standard baitcaster anyways.
If you've never fished with a round reel, you may want to borrow one from somebody to make sure you like it first. Especially if you're considering an Ambassadeur. Ambassadeurs sit high on the reel seat and can't be palmed as easily as the low profile reels. I have larger hands so I have no issue, but many others don't find them comfy for all day fishing. The Cardiff on the other hand, sits much lower than the Ambassadeur and is almost as easily palmed as a low profile. The Ambassadeur has been using the same basic design since it's inception. It comes from a time when casting rods had deeply recessed reel seats.
hwright38 reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 4:24 AM, redmeansdistortion said:If you've never fished with a round reel, you may want to borrow one from somebody to make sure you like it first. Especially if you're considering an Ambassadeur. Ambassadeurs sit high on the reel seat and can't be palmed as easily as the low profile reels. I have larger hands so I have no issue, but many others don't find them comfy for all day fishing. The Cardiff on the other hand, sits much lower than the Ambassadeur and is almost as easily palmed as a low profile. The Ambassadeur has been using the same basic design since it's inception. It comes from a time when casting rods had deeply recessed reel seats.
I've got some plans to try them out. I was just making a point to the other guy. I'd much rather have too big of tackle than too small.
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