I have heard so many arguments about this and I was wondering which you prefer I hear 50 gives you more action and castibality than 65 but 65 gives you some more power. The reason I ask is because I hear so many different things from different people and I have broke off lots of fish and frogs with 30 pound braid not sure why knots were all tied correctly using palamor or double palamor.
I actually like either 49 lb or 66.
50 lb will cast significantly farther than 65.
Power is not a concern with the heavy braid. 65 might be an advantage abrasion wise if you're dragging across wood.
Ummm
I use 30# and have for years and maybe broken off once or twice if I remember right but it was never because of the lb test of the line.
And when I go frogging it is in some of the nastiest stuff you will find in any lake in the country.
Anyway, to answer your question, yes with all things being equal you will get maybe 5yds more distance with 50# over 65#, Maybe.
The 65# wont be as manageable as as the 50# would be but the manageability of braid is not a concern of mine regardless of the presentation I lime it for.
Mike
I use 30....
40 lb here.
I use 65 and frog as one of my primary methods. I have used 50 as well. I can bomb a spro frog on 65 further than I care to fish it. In heavy cover I cannot see as far as I cast. It works for me.
I mainly use 50 but our vegetation isn't very thick for the most part.
No wood to worry about but lots of vegetation, being a spinning user I use 15# braid, strength is not an issue. I will jump up 20# braid for snakeheads.
Im making the switch from 65 down to 40
Should get some more casting distance...and 40 is plenty for the lilly pads imo
I use 50, even in the heaviest, thickest mats we have. Never had trouble pulling them out. One of my biggest fish of 2014, a 6lb 2oz LMB ( A big fish in WNY) came from a mat so thick you could walk on it. Winched her right out with 50lb braid, along with 30lbs of slop.
Use 30lb myself, might jump to 40. If you choose to use lighter braids you have to pay attention to your line for frays and wear. I'm guessing the 30 you broke you have probably fished for a while. You start seeing frays time to cut that part off. And since I like using smaller reels in the 100 size, the 30 or 40 will give me more capacity opposed to if I fished 50 or 65lb.
I do quite a bit of frog fishing, and the grass in MN is some of the healthiest in the country, I use 50 LB PP. I have had no need to step up to 65 LB because if a pike/muskie cuts through 50 LB it will cut through 65 LB... This last year I started using a leader of 25 lb Big Game when having issues with pike and that reduced the number of pike break-offs tremendously. The thick mono will reduce the ability to walk the frog effectively, but I typically don't walk them anyway. if you don't have to worry about toothy critters I wouldn't ever feel the need to go above 50 LB.
Mitch
I've decided on 50 for all but the thickest stuff out there and even then, 65 is probably unecessary. I have 65 rigged on my heaviest Rod for punching and will double it as a frog Rod but rarely.
50 lets you cast so much farther and I find this usually outweighs the benefits of heavier line as I like long casts when using frogs.
On 12/25/2014 at 11:07 AM, Mike L said:Anyway, to answer your question, yes with all things being equal you will get maybe 5yds more distance with 50# over 65#, Maybe.
Mike
I agree 100%, 65 casts plenty far.
I use 50 and see no need for anything heavier. Sometimes I think 50 is overkill.
Pota(e)to ... Pota(a)to IMO. I have used both.
Ive only used 50 and see no need to change. Works great
I like 30 or 40. Thinner line cuts weeds better than the thicker stuff. If your knots are good, I'm guessing your line is breaking due to shock.
I use and like 50, but have also used (and liked) 30. I think 40 is the happy medium for me the next time I respool.
50 Braid is most cases good enough. I would go personally with that.
50 lb line should be fine. it will cast much farther and will overall handle better
On 12/26/2014 at 4:41 AM, Felix77 said:Pota(e)to ... Pota(a)to IMO. I have used both.
I use both and have never had an issue with either. Those are also the only two lb tests of braid I have ever run, so i cannot compare vs some of the other popular tests.
Use them both, neither is likely to break, little more distance from 50, anything less then 40 and I think it tends to dig into itself and create problems
I use 40 for frogging and punching and rarely break off. You could get away with lighter if you fished more sparse cover.
On 12/26/2014 at 1:19 AM, gulfcaptain said:Use 30lb myself, might jump to 40. If you choose to use lighter braids you have to pay attention to your line for frays and wear. I'm guessing the 30 you broke you have probably fished for a while. You start seeing frays time to cut that part off. And since I like using smaller reels in the 100 size, the 30 or 40 will give me more capacity opposed to if I fished 50 or 65lb.
This is a smart answer to this question. Full understanding that it is DEFINITELY possible to go lighter with braid but you have to be CAREFUL with it. I am lazy when it comes to braid and use it for only a few techniques so I'm honest with myself and not good at checking it much. I use 70lb and recommend 65. It also depends where you are fishing and what you are setting on. I'm sure I could get away with 40 lb most of the time but the one time I set on an angry 7 after I put a cast on a rock 2 hours before that just isnt worth it for me. Not that it wouldn't break with 70 or 65 but I like the little bit of added peace of mind.
I use 50# Power Pro or Spiderwire Stealth for froggin'.
Really either will work and there are some people who even go 30lb.
I use yellow 40lb power pro and a med-heavy pinnacle rod. I don't fish the heaviest cover but it's thick and I have pulled out some 4lb'ers out. I haven't felt the need for a true heavy power rod or bigger line.
I'm big on fishing heavy cover with Frogs, Toads and EZ Swimmers. I use 65# Power Pro. For me it's not so much about line strength but more line diameter. The thinner line, even 50 will dig down they its wind. Not cool on your next cast. The 50 may cast a bit further but I find I can sky them out far enough with 65. The other thing I like about the 65 is it's less effected by wind. It's easier to cast a curve with it to hit your target.
i use Lews Tourney Pros and an MG. Both very nice reels. All have 95mm handles.
My rods are a Lews custom lite Magnum grass, Lews Magnum zone custom speed stick, Abu Villian 76-6 and fit lighter cover an Abu 70-6.
Hope this helps you.
Either will work fine. 50 will cast a bit further and cut pads and tules better, but I fish a couple of spots with big fish and crazy thick mats, and usually I have to set the hook, get the fish coming until its completely buried in it, and then just point the rod and walk backwards. I've broken 50 doing this so I go with the 65. I once had to remove probably 30 lbs of grass to find out if I still had a fish, I did, and it was a good one.
I started out with 65. But then when I was not using my frog rod for frogs (about half the year) I was using it for jigs and soft plastics. I didn't use any leader at that point, so it was hard to thread thru a bullet weight. I needed a mono loop to pull it thru. I went down to 50 and have never broken that, so I'd say 50 is as high as I'll ever be going. But I hear that smaller will dig into the spool. In fact, the higher tests dig in. Another reason I think 50 is right size for me.
I read that braid is not rock-abrasion-resistant. I have no experience with that because I fish places that are full of lilies or old wood. Again, I have never broken straight braid. Not even 20#. I'm sure I'll get around to it someday.