How To Thicken An Oil Based Scent 2024
tmier reply :
I have a bottle of Dr juice and would love to make it thicker. It's pretty viscous and messy but I don't want to waste the stuff. Any suggestions?
SDoolittle reply :
I've heard of people melting vaseline and adding scents to it, but I'm not sure how well it would work.
tmier reply :
I am leaning toward using something organic. I narrowed it down to crisco or lard. I'll warm each up carefully and mix the bass oil in and hope the mix doesnt separate when cooled. Will the lard have to be refrigerated? That would be a deal breaker...
Crestliner2008 reply :
Switch to MegaStrike.
tmier reply :
Did I just hear a bait monkey screaming?
Scorcher214 reply :
This is why i permanently switched to Megastrike. It's thick like vaseline and I don't even mind the smell. Perhaps, mix your juice with some megastrike, make a super scent!
tmier reply :
I'll try a few things to make the juice useful. Im actually trying to imitate the thickness of megastrike without buying it.
WRB reply :
Your time on the water is far more valuable than a few $$ for a gel scent.
Don't mix brands of scent together.
You can use unscented "Vasoline" with your scent.
Smelly Jelly, Hot Sauce are also excellent gel scents.
Tom
tmier reply :
Copy WRB, stick to k.I.s.s.
tmier reply :
The lard came in a 40oz tub, way too much. So I put a tablespoon in a glass dish and mules it for a minute. I mixed in one tablespoon of the bass juice and chilled it. After an hour I pulled it out and let it sit on the counter overnight. At 50/50 this stuff is pretty thick, I will double the batch for thus weekend. Thanks bird dog and wrb I will pick up a jar of vaseline also
JoePhish reply :
Maybe wisk in some cornstarch or flour?
Those are both thickening agents for food so maybe they may work on Dr. Juice.
tmier reply :
I will try it. I strained some bacon grease into the crisco mix earlier. As it cooled everything separated. Corn starch could glue it all back together. I will pick up vaseline after work for the second batch.
Jig Man reply :
Use the lard up pretty quick as it will get a very rancid odor after it gets old.
Sam reply :
From page 75 of Dr. Keith A. Jones's book, Knowing Bass - The Scientific Approach to Catching More Fish, "Oil-based scents never have and never will be true attractants - and that's just a physical reality."
He continues..."Although dismal as attractants, oil-based scents do serve a purpose in angling: they make great masking agents for covering repulsive odors and tastes."
Get the book. It is a fantastic read based on scientific research. 
P.S. MegaStrike rules!!!!
joshholmes reply :
use yum f2. its water based so all of it spreads throughout the water column instead of just leaving an oil slick on the surface
tmier reply :
I agree Sam, Dr. Jones sounds like a smart guy. I believe scents could make a fish hold the bait longer after proper presentation lures a strike. Adding corn starch to batch one made a bigger mess. After scrapping this I melted down some petroleum jelly in a baby food jar and added the super juice, 50/50. It solidified quickly and holds a solid consistency. Now I can scoop some of this stuff into a ziplock baggy and dip my plastics in easily. This weekend should be fun. Next batch could contain garlic and anise oils with salt for an alternative. Thanks for the tips guys, I doubled my batch of Dr J's super juice and made it more functional.
philsoreel reply :
On 6/17/2011 at 2:11 PM, tmier said:I agree Sam, Dr. Jones sounds like a smart guy. I believe scents could make a fish hold the bait longer after proper presentation lures a strike. Adding corn starch to batch one made a bigger mess. After scrapping this I melted down some petroleum jelly in a baby food jar and added the super juice, 50/50. It solidified quickly and holds a solid consistency. Now I can scoop some of this stuff into a ziplock baggy and dip my plastics in easily. This weekend should be fun. Next batch could contain garlic and anise oils with salt for an alternative. Thanks for the tips guys, I doubled my batch of Dr J's super juice and made it more functional.
I've found that after being heated "scentless" petro jelly becomes scented. All my efforts with heated petro jelly kept coming out with the same smell and I narrowed it down to the jelly. I eventually found the smell could be covered but it required such a large amount of the oil or other product that it was a waste or the desired consistency couldn't be achieved, still more of a liquid than a solid.
Sam reply :
Hey all.
Following up on this post and what Dr. Jones says about taste in his book, here is what was written about taste on pages 56 and 57.
First, the results of a chart illustrating Feeding Response Magnitude when cotton pellets or small pieces of sponge saturated with assorted flavors were presented to the bass:
Worm Extract = 100%
Sugar = 3%
Garlic = 2%
Anise = 1%
Salt = 3%
Prey Salt Mix = 3%
"The things bass eat, mostly prey fish, crawfish and other aquatic prey, although as opportunistic feeders they will take just about any small animal that comes their way. As such, they savor a wild variety of meaty flavors to varying degrees, especially those high in protein. Cooked fishmeal, for example, is frequently the major flavoring agent (and animal protein source) used in pelleted hatchery feed for bass.
In contrast to animal materials, flavors derived from plants are invariably poor performers. Bass are meat eaters, not vegetarians. No matter how appealing sweet flavors like strawberry, raspberry, blueberry, almond-fudge, chocolate-frosted sugar bombs, or molasses marmalade supreme may sound to us, to bass they mean nothing.
That also goes for anise (licorice) oil, the odorous essence found in many popular versions of early fish attractants, and spicy flavors like pepper, onion and garlic.”
Dr. Jones goes on to say table salt is mildly appealing at best.
So where do you get prey salt as recommended? I have no idea.
I contacted Dr. Jones and he gave me this formula to use when making my own sent for bass. He says this is the best scent we can use. I have not made it so far but I have the blender ready to go. Here it is. Maybe you can incorporate this into your formula:
Purchase one dozen live Nightcrawlers.
Place in a small Black & Decker One-Touch Chopper
Blend the Nightcrawlers together.
Place in a Tupperware container with a tight lid.
Add the plastics you want to use.
Seal the Tupperware container tightly.
Let sit overnight or a few days.
Use the plastics and enjoy.
May I suggest you purchase Dr. Jones’ book. It is a fantastic read.
Let me know when you do this and what type of mess it makes.
And by the way, get your own One-Touch Chopper so you will not use the family's blender.
Good luck.
Catt reply :
Knowing Bass: The Scientific Approach to Catching More Fish by Keith A. Jones
Peer Review Fact: Observational bias; an observational bias occurs when researchers only look where they think they will find positive results, or where it is easy to record observations.
Peer Review Fact: the results of Feeding Response Magnitude when cotton pellets or small pieces of sponge with no assorted flavors were presented to the bass. 100%
Sam reply :
Catt, all I can say is that Jones has his Ph.D.; is in charge of the Berkley research department; studies bass for a living; and as a scientist does not really care about the results.
I have not see anything negative on what Jones says by any other research Ph.D. and until I do I will have to go along with Jones.
You and I know that our personal experiences play a larger role in what any scientist or professional bass fisherman says. However, we have to have a base to start from and the only base I know from a scientific research basis is what Jones says.
I would love to read other observations. Can you share any you know of with me?
Geaux Tigers!!!!! 
bilgerat reply :
The worm puree' should work, I just wonder if after the mixture goes rancid after a few days would that rancid smell ruin the baits that are soaking in it ?
Second thought - rancid worm mash + dough = catfish bait
Catt reply :
I have a close friend with a Bachelor of Science degree from Purdue University, a Master’s of Science degree from the University of Oklahoma, and a Ph.D. from the South Florida with an emphasis in the philosophy of science.
Hear is his thoughts on Knowing Bass: The Scientific Approach to Catching More Fish by Keith A. Jones
Among scientific researchers, empirical evidence (as distinct from empirical research) refers to objective evidence that appears the same regardless of the observer.
An empirical validation of a hypothesis is required for it to gain acceptance in the scientific community. Normally this validation is achieved by the scientific method of hypothesis commitment, experimental design, peer review, adversarial review, reproduction of results, conference presentation and journal publication
Empirical evidence of animal behavior gained though research of animals in captivity is widely being rejected by the scientific community as evidence of animal behavior in the wild…Dr. Jones’s research is done solely in aquariums’.
grimlin reply :
On 6/17/2011 at 10:42 AM, joshholmes said:use yum f2. its water based so all of it spreads throughout the water column instead of just leaving an oil slick on the surface
I don't believe that theory either. Ever drop one drop of lemon juice in a bath tub and still able to smell or taste that lemon juice? Nope...water disperses that pretty quickly.Same theory applies trying to drop one little lure into a body of water and expect the fish to smell it.They might smell it for a second or so,but then it'll disperse.
As far as a fish holding onto a lure because of the scent,I can buy that.I imagine if your lure tastes like a crayfish and not something fake,would make them hold onto your lure just a little longer giving you more time for a late hook set.
I have used Vaseline and a crayfish scent and it worked awesome...Only reason why I stopped is because I don't want to be putting chemicals in the water that could actually pollute the water.Nobody can tell me how safe it is to use vaseline in water.
I'm waiting for the day JJ's comes out with a crayfish scent now...LOL
Sam reply :
Catt, I can't disagree with what your source says.
I would think other scientists have their opinion of what Dr. Jones has found.
However, Dr. Jones has the research to support his findings even if they are a result of lab tests under controlled situations.
Of course I would love to have test results with "wild" bass in lakes and rivers to give us a better overview.
Bobby at MegaStrike has completed his research on "wild" bass and you can view his findings on YouTube.
I like to put MegaStrike on my lures and plastics and JJ's Magic on my plastics so the bass will hold onto it longer. I do not believe in attractants as I think they are a waste of money and don't work.
Although with that said, I must add that Gulp! does attract bream and catfish.
I contacted Dr. John Caprio at LSU regarding his BioPlus Lure. John has developed a "scent" that is supposed to stimulate the neurosensory systems of the bass. I have the 5.5 inch swimbait but have not used it.
Here is what John emailed me when I contacted him last year.
Dr. John Caprio of LSU:
The BioPulse Lure will get a facelift in the future. The initial product is too large and too deep diving to be used in most freshwater lakes. It's fine in deep lakes and in the marine environment-we've had a number of good reports from fisherman catching large striped bass in some deep California lakes and also fisherman off the Great Barrier Reef in Australia; however, it presently is not a good lure for bass in shallow ponds. The company hopes to eventually come out with a 3.5inch BioPulse lure rather than the present 5.5 inch. The company is presently working on soft lures that release the chemical scents and tastants. The actual chemicals in these products are proprietary information.
Sincerely,
John
Catt, I am thinking of putting some of the BioPlus Lure product on plastics and give them a try. I will let you know what happens when I compare it with MegaStrike. I may also throw the swimbait lure in our club's Lake Anna tournament later this year but a 5.5 inch swimbait is a big bait to throw. I will use my Penn saltwater rods and reels.
You can find out more about the Shimmering Shad Freshwater Model #911 by calling 860.415.0530.
I love these debates. They add some spice to the Forum.
Now lets get ready for some football!!!!
Sam reply :
Bildgrat, I will make up the concoction two days before the tournament and soak the plastics in it as it sits in the refregerator.
I will keep it on ice with my JJs in a cooler on the boat.
Should be interesting to see what happens.
Thanks for the feedback.
philsoreel reply :
Josh- I posted a somewhat review on Yum F2 Crawfish the other day. You're right about one thing, F2 definitely gets left in the water but nowhere near your lure. I have about 7/8ths of a new bottle that I'll give you or anyone else that will pay the shipping.
Grimlin- You're right about the water being dispersed too quickly for that to be of any consequence. If I'm not mistaken it was an article I read by Dr. Jones that stated that there are too many micro currents for it to even be possible for a bass to follow the scent trail of a lure, that the amount of scent wouldn't be substantial enough for there to be a followable trail per say. Not 100% that it was him, but it was Berkley's chief scientist so I'm pretty sure.
Catt reply :
Naturalistic observation is a research tool in which a subject is observed in their natural habitat without any manipulation by the observers. During Naturalistic observation researchers take great care to avoid interfering with the behavior they are observing by using unobtrusive methods. In the context of a naturalistic observation the environment is in no way being manipulated by the observer nor was it created by the observer.
Sam reply :
Catt, we really need the Hook n' Look guys do some research and film the results.
I think it would be great to have them test various scents in the wild and film the results.
I will contact them and ask them to give this some thought.
But so far, Dr. Jones' book is the bible of scientific data on bass fishing. If you know of any other publications please let us know.
Catt reply :
How can you call Dr. Jones' book “the bible of scientific data on bass fishing” knowing that his data is manipulated?
That does not bother you?
Sam reply :
Catt, I have no proof that any results were manipulated.
The book illustrates the results of tests in a controled environment.
Dr. Jones published his findings and you can take them or leave them.
So far I have not found any other publications that dwell as deeply as Dr. Jones' writings.
Until one is published with other results, we have nothing to go on other than Dr. Jones' findings.
Therefore, it is the current bible of bass biology and behavior.
You can always watch the old Glen Lau videos but Dr. Jones' book is a fantastic read. It may not be 100% correct on every subject but it does give a great insight into the behavior of the bass.
Have you read it? If not, I suggest getting a copy and read what he says about the various bass senses.
Other scientists may not agree with his methodology or findings and they can set up their own experiments and publish their findings. To have one scientist go against another scientist in the same field is not unusual. Happens in all occupations and bass fishing, too.
At this time, you are the expert on Toledo Bend on this site and it will remain that way unitl someone else comes along and says you don't know what you are talking about and everyone should listen to him. We will then weigh what the new guy says against what you have written and make up our own minds.
When Hook n' Look have a series on bass scents and attractants in the wild I will watch it and make up my mind about Dr. Jones' findings.
And to think, the original question was How to Thicken An Oil Based Scent. I think we hijacked the post.
philsoreel reply :
On 6/20/2011 at 6:41 PM, Catt said:How can you call Dr. Jones' book “the bible of scientific data on bass fishing” knowing that his data is manipulated?
That does not bother you?
I think some rules have to bent as far as naturalistic observation is concerned anyway because introducing a plastic man-made worm or a piece of cotton or whatever to a fish, even in it's natural enviroment, in itself is a contradiction. Is it not?
Sam- Yeah, Dr. Jones' book and theories are very interesting and he obviously put alot of time and hard work into it, but he was getting paid to do it and had motive behind every aspect of it. I think that's what Catt is referring to as being manipulated.
Sam reply :
Philsoreel, thanks for the feedback.
Yes, Dr. Jones is getting paid for his research and he published the findings.
All I am saying is that so far Dr. Jones' book is the only reference publication out there that addresses the various senses of a bass.
When something comes along that proves otherwise we have no option but to view Dr. Jones' findings as correct.
And I agree with you: why would a bass strike a plastic worm when they hardly ever see a live worm?
As a scientist one always tries to have controlled lab situations to conduct experiments and then you take that data into the wild to try to prove or disprove it. I have not read any pubications that disprove Dr. Jones' findings.
This has been fun. Now onto other subjects.
Catt reply :
Sam one must first understand what Observational Science is!
Operational (Observational) Science: a systematic approach to understanding that uses observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation to understand how nature commonly behaves.
In the context of a naturalistic observation the environment is in no way being manipulated by the observer nor was it created by the observer.
By putting the bass in an aquarium Dr, Jones has not only manipulated the environment he has created the environment which is goes against the rules of naturalistic observation.
Dr. Jones' findings are not a reference publication, he wrote it in “book” form to avoid “peer” review & to make money on book sales, was it a scientific report it would make him little money other than from Berkley.
There are plenty of publications out there that address the various senses of a bass; one simply has to do a Google search.
It amazes me what a nonbeliever have to believe in order to remain nonbelievers
P.S.: I sorry to hijack this thread but as long as people throw “supposed” scientific data into the equation I feel obligated to show both sides and let the readers decide which is the function of a forum.
Sam reply :
I Googled largemouth bass senses and clicked on the first link. Here is what it said:
When fishing for bass in low visibility conditions (overcast sky) or in murky water, try using light colored (white or silver) or neon colored (chartreuse) lures. These colors tend to give a good light reflectance which allows the bass to see the lure quicker and give it a better chance to react to your presentation. In high visibility conditions such as clear water and clear skies, use dark colored lures. In these conditions, dark colors appear to be more natural and appetizing to the bass.
In this issue of Bass Times, Gene Gilliland, the assistant chief of fisheries with the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation says "It appears that science can support conventional wisdom. Clearer water means more light and better vision so color, size, shape and detail appear to make a difference in what lure you should choose. In dirty water or low-light conditions, detail may be less important, and dark or fluorescent colors might be more easily seen, presenting a contrasting silhouette that entices the bass to strike first and ask questions later."
So a scientist says to use dark colors in dark water and light colors in light water and someone I don't know says the opposite. And we know Gilliland is correct.
I would still rather understand what a known biologist and professional bass fishermen have to say than rely on a Google entry which may or may not be correct.
And of course Dr. Jones is getting paid for his research book. Catt, you would too if you wrote a book on fishing the Toledo Bend as has Virginia guide Teddie Carr with his book Fishing Lake Anna.
We agree to disagree. But I will go with the current science and then relate it to local fishing.
Catt reply :
So other words the part that says “the environment is in no way being manipulated by the observer nor was it created by the observer.” does not bother you!
J Francho reply :
On 6/17/2011 at 4:27 AM, Sam said:From page 75 of Dr. Keith A. Jones's book, Knowing Bass - The Scientific Approach to Catching More Fish, "Oil-based scents never have and never will be true attractants - and that's just a physical reality."
He continues..."Although dismal as attractants, oil-based scents do serve a purpose in angling: they make great masking agents for covering repulsive odors and tastes."
Get the book. It is a fantastic read based on scientific research.
P.S. MegaStrike rules!!!!
Here's the part of that statement that gets lost in translation. Perhaps the "oil base" is simply used to carry the amino acid based scent. Liquids wash off, oils do not. This is why I would not dismiss a scent that uses fish or other oil.
tmier reply :
You guys are definitely going somewhere with a worm based attractant. The mix I made before the weekend yielded no results. I tried senkos and zoom trick worms loaded with the attractant in every rig possible. My girlfriend however was nailing bass and crappie on a swimbait with a spinner trailer. I do have a bottle of Berkley nightcrawler scent which I will mix into some jelly and try along with real bait.
tmier reply :
Kudos to Cart and Sam, you guys are posting useful information about the purpose of bait scents. I fish a 100 acre lake with visibility around 12". I've used scents to mask my odors and try to gain an edge. That and I'm getting my butt kicked by my girl and her $1.56 swimbait spinner combo she bought at Walmart.
roadwarrior reply :
Wow!
Three pages...JJ's is for color and garlic,
MegaStrike for taste and user convenience.
Both work well...VERY WELL. There is really
no reason to make your own, it will never be
an improvement over these two products.
tmier reply :
I will buy MegaStrike but I am dragging my meet on it. What gets me is last weekend I used the fish oil and jelly stuff all over every plastic I used in the morning, when water visibility was fair, but no bites. Later after noon, speed boat-o-rama clouded the water to no visibility. I threw in a bps green stickbait that had a single garlic clove in the baggies and BOOM! The fish took it before it hit the bottom. It's just weird, I guess its why I love fishing.
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