If I'm fishing Senko's under docks and catching about 1-2 fish per 30 docks do you think changing color could result in more/less caught fish?
Try several colors. Generally I don't think color is very important, but sometimes
the exact color is critical!
any random day it may or may not make a difference, but in the long run i don't think the color will make that big of an impact. especially when you're under a dock and light is not penetrating at a very good rate anyways.
personally, i switch size, profile, sounds, etc. before i switch colors.
Green Pumpkin or watermelon colors work best for me,I like black w/blue fleck at night
I use a combo of baby bass, pb&j, green pumpkin, green pumpkin with chartreuse tail and black/blue. They all have their days.
Action supersedes color
Honestly, it's probably a lot more to do with the dock and bass living under it than it is the color. Experimentation might pay off, though, you never know.
Some days I can't buy a bite with a particular color.
I change it out and *bang* fish on, and more fish after
that.
Can't explain it, but I think color does matter -- sometimes.
You need at least 20 colors to be safe, now the catch is ..... you never know if today is color 222 but not tomorrow.
Basically my routine on color when it comes to Senkos is
1. Black with blue flake
2. Green Pumpkin/Watermelon Laminate
3. Anything that is sort of shinny. Smoke halo/blue pearl silver, Bluegrass, Dirty Shad, etc.....
Another way to look at it. Black>Dark>Lighter
After that, anything that is out of the ordinary.
Presentation and patience is more important than color.
On 7/24/2015 at 7:34 AM, FishTank said:Basically my routine on color when it comes to Senkos is
1. Black with blue flake
2. Green Pumpkin/Watermelon Laminate
3. Anything that is short of shinny. Smoke halo/blue pearl silver, Bluegrass, Dirty Shad, etc.....
Another way to look at it. Black>Dark>Lighter
After that, anything that is out of the ordinary.
Presentation and patience is more important than color.
Nailed it. Keep it simple and just go with the three shades. It presents something different to the fish, and keeps you from forgoing "actual fishing" while trying 20 different colors.
I think it's just personal preference my .02
I switch size first
Skip a jig under there and pull out the hogs!
If I am not getting bit on, say, a green pumpkin senko, switching to watermelon red is idiotic............they are not biting that presentation, I'll switch to a jig or something else. A lot of people spend hours not getting bit, rotating through colors, then the fish turn on, and they get bit on the 35th different color bait they tried, and think that the color change was the reason they got bit. These are the people I kindly refer to as........idiots.
Went fishing with a friend at lake Castaic on Tuesday because a good jig bite was happening, according to my friend. The hot color was GYCB #221 twin tail grubs on black & brown jig. We are both using the same combo and I miss 3 feeble strikes ( was that a strike?). My friend was up front and I am casting to used water, he hasn't indicated any action. I am thinking why use the same color and changed the trailer to #176 twin tail grub and immediately start catching bass. The strikes are aggressive and easy to detect, after 5 bass my friend is asking lots of questions, so I give him a bag of #176 and he manages to catch a few bass. On that morning color was critical. You never know unless you make a change.
Tom
Color doesn't matter as long as it's green pumpkin/watermelon laminate (usually).
On 7/24/2015 at 10:44 AM, ww2farmer said:If I am not getting bit on, say, a green pumpkin senko, switching to watermelon red is idiotic............they are not biting that presentation, I'll switch to a jig or something else. A lot of people spend hours not getting bit, rotating through colors, then the fish turn on, and they get bit on the 35th different color bait they tried, and think that the color change was the reason they got bit. These are the people I kindly refer to as........idiots.
Tell us how you really feel!
I believe in couple colors. Green watermelon, baby bass, black and blue, red and black, watermelon with red flake, and maybe pumpkin. Same with jigs and t-rigs.
I fish primarily 3 colors.
June bug, green pumpkin and pearl. The only outlier is a chartreuse tip for muddy water
If the fish are not biting like I think they should , I try to guess why. If I think its fishing pressure then I will switch colors. I have had excellent results with a clear worm with flake when other colors failed . I dont like to randomly make choices . I try to use reason . If I get it right , great . If not , oh well .
Think about your changes before making them. You will still get it wrong most of the time but when you get it right it will stick in your memory a lot better than just reaching for anything different .
Color doesn't matter nearly as how good-tasting the name sounds. "Watermellon"..."green pumpkin"..."bubblegum"....yeah....
On 7/25/2015 at 4:29 AM, Neil McCauley said:Color doesn't matter nearly as how good-tasting the name sounds. "Watermellon"..."green pumpkin"..."bubblegum"....yeah....
......grape.....raspberry.....plum....candy.....
(I don't even know if you can buy senkos in those colors, but maybe you should be able to...)
No doubt there is a marketing lesson here, somewhere....
In your case, if you are only catching a couple fish under 30 docks, they are probably on another pattern.
I think color does make a fair amount of difference with them, but if you are reasonably within the ballpark with a senko you should get some hits. I only carry a few colors:
1. Cream White
2. Watermelon/White Laminate
3. Green Pumpkin/Black Flake
4. Watermelon/Black Flake
5. Black/Blue Flake.
Changing colors is bad business!
If by chance you happen to catch a bass right after changing colors,
you'll spend the rest of your life believing that color made the difference.
I take great pain in selecting nice colors for the bass to enjoy.
If a bass doesn't appreciate the pretty colors I choose for him,
he can take his business elsewhere
Roger
On 7/24/2015 at 10:44 AM, ww2farmer said:If I am not getting bit on, say, a green pumpkin senko, switching to watermelon red is idiotic............they are not biting that presentation, I'll switch to a jig or something else. A lot of people spend hours not getting bit, rotating through colors, then the fish turn on, and they get bit on the 35th different color bait they tried, and think that the color change was the reason they got bit. These are the people I kindly refer to as........idiots.
On the subject of the senko, I tried a wacky rigged one for the first time a while back. I used a 4" senko, an O ring and a light finess hook in about 78 degree water. The worm dropped very slowly and had no action at all. I want to get obviously some wiggle action, so would a heavier hook make a difference or what about putting a small lead worm nail on it?
On 7/26/2015 at 3:44 PM, thomas15 said:On the subject of the senko, I tried a wacky rigged one for the first time a while back. I used a 4" senko, an O ring and a light finess hook in about 78 degree water. The worm dropped very slowly and had no action at all. I want to get obviously some wiggle action, so would a heavier hook make a difference or what about putting a small lead worm nail on it?
Why not just up your drop weight? It seems as if the difference in hook weight would be negligible in most all cases.
As said by most don't worry as much about the color as presentation. Next time try skipping a jig, a TX rigged plastic craw or a hudd 68 under that dock and see what happens.
The guys that say color doesn't matter I assume then fish only one color bait regardless of the water color and forage. I ain't convinced.
Presentation is key but then color choice helps you get the fish to bite. Root beer Senkos will catch fish right behind a pumpkin Senko that didn't produce and vice versa. If I know the bait and presentation are working at a given time and location but can't get bit I won't hesitate to change colors based on the specific conditions. That's just good fishing sense.
Your initial question was about color, so here's my 2 cents: I only worry about whether or not the bass can see my lure. I love fishing senkos and use mainly 2 colors, black with blue fleck (or something close to that would work fine) for murky water, green pumpkin for clear. Don't drive yourself crazy with color choices. I've been very seccessful with these 2 colors. The brand I use is YUM dingers, and I always Texas rig them weightless due to the amount of weeds and vegetation in my lakes. If they don't want the senko (rarely, but it happens) throw a jig like some of the other guys have said. When it comes to color choice, just worry about visibility, but remember, a bass's eyes are about 8 times as sensitive to light as ours, according to an episode of bill dance outdoors lol.
On 7/26/2015 at 10:18 PM, MrBigFishSC said:The guys that say color doesn't matter I assume then fish only one color bait regardless of the water color and forage. I ain't convinced.
Presentation is key but then color choice helps you get the fish to bite. Root beer Senkos will catch fish right behind a pumpkin Senko that didn't produce and vice versa. If I know the bait and presentation are working at a given time and location but can't get bit I won't hesitate to change colors based on the specific conditions. That's just good fishing sense.
Color 'does' matter, but only inasmuch as it lends to Lure Visibility.
There's a large faction of anglers who do not buy into 'matching-the-hatch' (an ole fly-tying expression referring to size & shape).
The thinking is that once a bass sees your lure, the importance of color falls through the cracks.
To put it differently, once a bass is convinced that your lure is food, 'color' isn't likely to destroy his appetite.
Roger
Roger you're right in that the fish has to see the bait first. That is determined by presentation, location, and color if the water is dirty. Once that happens the fish has the choice to bite or not.
Colors catch more fisherman than fish but color selection shouldn't be thrown out entirely. There is no bubble gum colored forage in the lakes I fish but I throw this color when the natural colors don't seem to be working. I have had fish hammer a BG trick worm when green pumpkin or june bug is slow. Not to get into a color perception topic but I believe it's a subtle difference than can get you more fish in some situations.
On 7/27/2015 at 1:21 AM, MrBigFishSC said:Roger you're right in that the fish has to see the bait first. That is determined by presentation, location, and color if the water is dirty. Once that happens the fish has the choice to bite or not.
Colors catch more fisherman than fish but color selection shouldn't be thrown out entirely. There is no bubble gum colored forage in the lakes I fish but I throw this color when the natural colors don't seem to be working. I have had fish hammer a BG trick worm when green pumpkin or june bug is slow. Not to get into a color perception topic but I believe it's a subtle difference than can get you more fish in some situations.
I agree, color can absolutely make a difference.
My point is that 'lure visibility' is more likely the deciding factor rather than how closely the color matches some creature.
An opportunistic predator doesn't have the luxury to be selective, they'll change prey in the blink of an eye,
just like fish in an aquarium, or like the bass I had in my backyard pond. The color of forage is whatever is served up,
be it shad, bluegills, shiners, dace, gobies, frogs, blackbirds, snakes, crayfish ~ (crayfish alone come in every color).
Within the same lake and without any change in the staple prey, the most productive colors will continue to change
with changes in light level, which hinge on water clarity, sky clarity, sun angle, surface turbulence, etc.
Roger
On 7/27/2015 at 1:51 AM, RoLo said:I agree, color can absolutely make a difference.
My point is that 'lure visibility' is more likely the deciding factor rather than how closely the color matches some creature.
An opportunistic predator doesn't have the luxury to be selective, they'll change prey in the blink of an eye,
just like fish in an aquarium, or like the bass I had in my backyard pond. The color of forage is whatever is served up,
be it shad, young bluegills, shiners, dace, gobies, frogs, blackbirds, snakes, crayfish ~ ~.
Crayfish alone come in every imaginable color. Within the same lake, without any change in key prey,
the most productive colors will continue to change with changes in light level, which hinges on water clarity,
sky clarity, sun angle, surface turbulence, etc.
Roger
Enough said. Points made and taken. Fish on...
On 7/26/2015 at 7:09 PM, wnspain said:Why not just up your drop weight? It seems as if the difference in hook weight would be negligible in most all cases.
I agree but having read everything on this forum regarding wacky senkos and everyone says weightless. I guess I have to start experimenting and try a bunch of different things, since I usually drop shot I'm gonna try that first then the nails. I guess i'm lazy but my time on the water is at a premium and usually at a time when "thinking" is not an easy task. I will let you know how I make out.