I finally got my hands on some Ned Rig tackle and hope to get on the water with it soon. I want to throw it exclusively all day to see how many I can catch. Question....Is it possible to throw it on a baitcaster? I have a spinning setup, I just really prefer baitcasters.
Yes, you can throw it on a baitcaster, but I sure wouldn't recommend it unless you have a super finesse spool or something.
Sometimes you gotta man up and pick up a fairy rod!
I hate fairy wands lol
Wanna bet I can ?
You don't need a "finesse" reel, most modern bcs can cast very light lures, it's a matter of having the reel paired to the right rod, the right line and the right brake & spool tension settings
Sure! I can throw unweighted 3" Stik-Os with my BC setup.
about 8 feet.
I'm sure it can be done but I'm from the school of right rod for the right technique. Besides sometimes fairy wands can be magical. Like when throwing Ned rigs when nothing else is working. Add some pixie dust and you are in business.
I throw it on a Curado E7 and a Gloomis Bronze back rod and 8# line.
The Ned rig is not as light as most of you are led to believe. A TRD worm by itself weighs 4.5 grams. With a 3/32 head which is a very popular size the total weight is 6.9 grams. As most of us know 7 grams equals 1/4 oz, and that weight is easily thrown on a casting combo given you have a rod that'll load properly with light baits. The rod is the more important factor in the equation verses the reel. Today's reels can handle 1/4oz just fine. I throw Ned rigs on a 7'1 medium light Phenix Recon. Will my spinning combo throw them better... Probably so, but I never use it. Here's a pic I took awhile back.
On 11/3/2015 at 9:10 AM, Senko lover said:Sometimes you gotta man up and pick up a fairy rod!
It's taken a while, but I'm starting to find that out.
I always use baitcasters but went and bought a Pfluger President to have at least one spinning rod. Love it on Erie for smallmouth. ..
You can throw it on a fly rod if you want. Or you can handline it. Or use a 20 foot bamboo pole. Suit yourself.
For sure...I throw the Ned Rig on a PX68L/NRX802 combo with no problems.
Yeah but a spinning setup is much cheaper
Caught my PB and the majority of my bass this year on a spinning rod. Sometimes you just gotta do it. Maybe you'll start to like it even
On 11/3/2015 at 9:10 AM, Senko lover said:Yes, you can throw it on a baitcaster, but I sure wouldn't recommend it unless you have a super finesse spool or something.
Sometimes you gotta man up and pick up a fairy rod!
Real men don't need baitcasters.
On 11/3/2015 at 10:57 AM, MickD said:You can throw it on a fly rod if you want. Or you can handline it. Or use a 20 foot bamboo pole. Suit yourself.
I have absolutely no doubt you could catch bass on a ned rig without a rod.
On 11/3/2015 at 12:13 PM, MIbassyaker said:Real men don't need baitcasters.
Reel men must not use crankbaits
On 11/3/2015 at 12:17 PM, everythingthatswims said:Reel men must not use crankbaits
Ever get the feeling that fish you caught on a crankbait would probably have bitten on almost anything else?
That never happens with a ned rig.
yes
You can, but I don't think it would be as effective.
You can. Medium light rod and a half decent baitcaster with 8lb line will do it fine, but there's no advantage to using casting tackle like that for them and plenty of disadvantages. The point of using casting tackle is mainly to be able to use heavier line than you could on a spinning outfit. That would be counter productive with a ned rig, and as you're using light line and a softer rod, spinning tackle makes it so much easier to allow the lure to drop vertically. Learning to cast spinning tackle well is at least as difficult as learning to cast baitcasting gear well. Teaching yourself how to control the line coming off the spool to give you the accuracy is a challenge, but worth persisting with as spinning can be just the right approach for some methods.
On 11/3/2015 at 5:45 PM, Tim Kelly said:You can. Medium light rod and a half decent baitcaster with 8lb line will do it fine, but there's no advantage to using casting tackle like that for them and plenty of disadvantages. The point of using casting tackle is mainly to be able to use heavier line than you could on a spinning outfit. That would be counter productive with a ned rig, and as you're using light line and a softer rod, spinning tackle makes it so much easier to allow the lure to drop vertically. Learning to cast spinning tackle well is at least as difficult as learning to cast baitcasting gear well. Teaching yourself how to control the line coming off the spool to give you the accuracy is a challenge, but worth persisting with as spinning can be just the right approach for some methods.
Agreed.
Also, I find that a spinning outfit is less tiring (I think it uses larger muscles-forearms vs wrist) for bottom presentations. Hey, I love my bait casters too, and in my younger days I saw them as manlier, but I like to work smarter, not harder.
On 11/3/2015 at 9:02 AM, Rhino68W said:I finally got my hands on some Ned Rig tackle and hope to get on the water with it soon. I want to throw it exclusively all day to see how many I can catch. Question....Is it possible to throw it on a baitcaster? I have a spinning setup, I just really prefer baitcasters.
Is it possible? Certainly. Why wouldn't it be? And yet, you have a spinning rod and must think it'd be a better choice.....what's the real question?
Regardless of the real question, if you're going to throw ned, and only ned, all day, why wouldn't you rig it up on every lighter rig that you have? You are going to lose some. May as well be ready to get another one wet right away if you aren't going to use anything else and you have lighter tackle. Are you limiting yourself to just one rod for the entire day?
On 11/3/2015 at 9:02 AM, Rhino68W said:I finally got my hands on some Ned Rig tackle and hope to get on the water with it soon. I want to throw it exclusively all day to see how many I can catch. Question....Is it possible to throw it on a baitcaster? I have a spinning setup, I just really prefer baitcasters.
Sure, Ned Rig supplies $15....Baitcaster to throw Ned Rig, $350 , super duper light, shallow wiffle spool made from space age top secret materials, made in the deep, dark, underground secret labs in Japan, $90....you're ready to go! LOL!
On 11/3/2015 at 12:13 PM, MIbassyaker said:Real men don't need baitcasters.
Real men don´t need reels, we chew tobaquee ( I liked RedMan ) n´spit while wrapping the line around a beer can we have just emptied.
Yes, you can throw it on a casting set up, but there is a problem. The problem is that the jigs that are made to fish things like a ned rig are made with Aberdeen hooks, they are designed to bend when hard, steady pressure is applied to free from snags and then you bend them straight again and fished with the prober tackle you normally won't bend one, even on big fish. I make small hair jigs on a size 2 Aberdeen hook and I've landed smallmouth over 5lbs and I was sent a picture from a friend that landed a 6lb 10oz fish on a 1/32oz marabou jig with a size #4 Aberdeen hook that I made for him. The reason was the proper tackle was used and so throwing a ned rig on a medium light or BFS casting rod with a BFS casting reel with maybe 10lb or 15lb braid with a 6lb or 8lb fluorocarbon or mono leader is great but most will throw it on a medium or medium heavy casting rod with 30lb brad and a 12lb fluorocarbon leader and then blame the jig when the hook bends from pulling a fish in. I see experienced anglers with light rigs using casting rods and I think that is great but when you use a ned rig with a casting set up remember what kind of rig it is and the type of hook it uses, because the entire thing may be heavy enough for casting but it may not be stout enough. The other example is the spy bait like the Duo Realis Spinbait 80, it is 3/8oz but it doesn't mean you throw it on a medium heavy rod with 12lb to 14lb line, in fact the bait doesn't work great with 10lb line and even 8lb slows down the subtle action, most recommend 4 to 6lb to be optimum with a spinning set up but you can throw it with a casting rod but the bait loses the very subtle action it has.
I had my friend Tim over for a couple of days fishing, we were foiled at every turn by bizarre circumstances and adverse weather, but he did get this twenty pound class pike on Saturday morning, just about dawn. Took a TRD with a 3/32 head and a size 2 hook. light spinning gear. funnily enough the hook was nearly straight when I scooped it into the net for him.
I spent some time tossing a 1/8 0zjig head with a Z-Man TRD on a Diawa Pixy68 SPR mounted on an *** 6'10" ML/F casting rod for a while this morning. Didn't catch squat, but, YES, you can toss NED rigs on a bait cast setup.
On 11/4/2015 at 5:16 AM, DogBone_384 said:I spent some time tossing a 1/8 0zjig head with a Z-Man TRD on a Diawa Pixy68 SPR mounted on an *** 6'10" ML/F casting rod for a while this morning. Didn't catch squat, but, YES, you can toss NED rigs on a bait cast setup.
As I mentioned the TRD worm is 4.5 grams. So with a 1/8 head you are looking at 7.7 grams total weight. That's over 1/4oz. Not a hard feat for any casting reel or medium light powered rod. Still curious why a lot of people seem to think it's such a tough thing. I use a PX68 and 7'1 ml for my combo. If a combo can throw a weightless 4" stick worm it should be able to toss a Ned rig far enough to catch fish.
Certainly not. Only Z-man brand products for the Ned rig, which includes line, reel, rod, and in some cases, watercraft.
On 11/4/2015 at 7:02 AM, rippin-lips said:As I mentioned the TRD worm is 4.5 grams. So with a 1/8 head you are looking at 7.7 grams total weight. That's over 1/4oz. Not a hard feat for any casting reel or medium light powered rod. Still curious why a lot of people seem to think it's such a tough thing. I use a PX68 and 7'1 ml for my combo. If a combo can throw a weightless 4" stick worm it should be able to toss a Ned rig far enough to catch fish.
Scales don't lie.... If I get out again this year, I'll try some of my trout baits to see what happens.
On 11/4/2015 at 7:02 AM, rippin-lips said:I use a PX68 and 7'1 ml for my combo.
That isn't an average Joe's usual outfit...
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The ? Is: should a Ned rig be used with a bait caster? The simple answer is no.
When lure weights drop below 1/8 oz, spinning tackle is appropriate.
We don't always fish under ideal conditions, wind affects casting with a light weight lure.
Tom
I only throw then on a bait caster when there is 20mph headwinds on the river
Just like p-----g into the wind!On 11/5/2015 at 1:25 AM, EvanT123 said:I only throw then on a bait caster when there is 20mph headwinds on the river
Tom
I have an old Daiwa PMF1000 baitcaster and I have it on a ml cheapo Daiwa rod about 6.5 feet. With Stren 8/10 pound line it easily throws lightweight lures including these ned rigs. I was told by a fellow it would not and then to his surprise I was throwing just about as far and as well as he using spinning gear. And, we were not really needing to cast all that far.