Hey guys,
I just got a brand new St. Croix avid 7'0" M power spinning rod for a Christmas gift. I really like the craftsmanship of the rod, BUT it is a two piece rod. I do have the option to send it back in for a one piece if I want to, but I don't know if there is any difference between a one piece and a two piece. Does a two piece rod effect the performance of the rod at all? What should I choose to do? Thanks.
Two piece rods used to be inferior to one piece but in today's world they are not that much different.
I got a couple of 2 piece rods as gifts. I don't really know if I have one in my hands unless I inspect it.
I dont think in reality there is a big difference between them, except for being able to fit it in your trunk.
Although, if transporting it is not an issue, I'd definately go for the 1 piece because I have more confidence I wont swing a piece off during a cast, or it coming apart fighting a fish.
Everybody need's a two piece rod in their collection.
I can't speak to the Avid 2-pc, but based on my 2-pc Premier compared to my 1-pc Premier, I wouldn't expect there to be much difference at all. I prefer 1-pc rods, but keep a couple 2-pc rods in the trunk of the second car.
There used to be a time when two piece rods were really lousy, nowdays if you purchase a good quality there won' t be much difference between a 1 piece vs a 2 piece of the same model. Shure there will be a slight diffeence in weigth, sure there will be a slight difference in sensitivity but it's so small that you are not going to be able to feel it.
I do believe most of the new 2 piece rods are probably just as good as the 1 piece rods. However, I just have a mental block against 2 piece rods.
The bed of my truck (diagonally) will fit an 8ft rod, with just a slight bend at the tip. Since I don't use any rods longer than that, I have no use for a 2 piece rod.
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I am most likely going to ship it back and just get the one piece rod of the same model with the next one-two weeks.
Well hey, I'm jellous ! Those are some sweet rods ! I've been considering one of the heavy action ones for a swimbait rod....
Peace,
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Yeah it is easily one of the finest spinning rods that I have owned. I felt horrible to tell the person who got it for me that it was a two piece, but it was not that big of a deal. I think getting a one piece will give me a little more confidence and interestingly, a one piece rod is a tad lighter than the two piece. But when they are this nice, I really am not that picky! I just tuned in to see what other experienced fisherman had to say. I think this rod will improve my fishing... pretty dang sensitive. How do you think their crankbait trigger rods are like? I am looking to get a nice crankbait rod...
I've had a couple two piece rods that come apart on the cast every once in awhile. That drives me crazy, I wouldn't use a 2 piece for anything but catfishing.
I had a 2 piece casting rod, it was a Quest LS-7 from Dick's sporting goods, 6' long medium "action" as it said on the blank. I wanted a one piece but they didn't have one at the time so I got that one instead. I gave about $25 for it on sale. It was very well made for that price, had Fuji guides and ECS reel seat and IM7 graphite blank. Turned out to be one of the nicest rods I've ever owned and I probably enjoyed it the most of any I've ever owned while I had it (that's it in my avatar with that fish). It caught me the biggest bass I've caught up until now.
Only reason I don't still have it is cause dad wanted a 2 piece casting rod but could never find a decent one that was affordable to him (he won't pay $100 for one like I will now) and I just happened to have one that was pretty good (and Dick's no longer has them so he can't get one there). So I gave it to him this past spring. I still miss it right now even though I have 2 Shimano Compres and one St. Croix Triumph to use that by rights should exceed what that little rod was able to do.
Not one time did it ever come apart on me. It had the top section made to fit over the bottom section when pieced together, which as I understand it is the only good way to do a 2 piece rod (never bottom over top).
That rod was fairly sensitive too, but because it was a little soft feeling, more like a MF tip instead of a F tip, I used it for shallow and medium diving crankbaits a lot. It was great for that and I have yet to replace it.
I still like a one piece the best cause there are absolutely no worries that way, and you know it's as sensitive as it could possibly be without being upgraded to something better. With a 2 piece you always wonder if the one piece would have been better. The only reason someone needs a 2 piece is for storage or travel reasons. If you have a truck, a boat, and/or a good place at home to store your rods, then by all means get the one piece whenever possible.
But I still have nothing against a 2 piece rod if I like the rod and a one piece in the same model is not available. I'm currently considering a Shimano Clarus that is 2 piece simply because the power and action I want it in is not available in a one piece of the same series. But then again, I'm also considering a one piece Shimano Crucial as well, which is about twice the price. ;D
As has already been said , the newer 2 piece rods seem to be much better than they used to be. Two piece rods used to come apart far too easily. That no longer seems to be a problem. They have come a long way in materials and methods over the years. I have two 2 piece spinning rods that I use for pan fish. I can tell no difference in them and the 1 piece version. With that said all of my bass rods are 1 piece. :
I don't care for 2 piece, have had them come apart and I don't need for that to happen again. My freshwater rods easily fit in my car and I don't see saltwater rods in 2 piece except for surf rods. My 8' fits in my trunk thru the pass thru, looks like I could get a 10 footer in there.
I have one to take traveling with me on vacations or down to LSU on business or for football games and to take with me when crabbing in the bayous.
Otherwise I go with a one piece rod.
Now that I have a decent collection of 1 piece rods, I'm beginning to look at two piece rods again. I find that a two-piece rod that fits in the car with the family catches more and bigger fish that a bunch of one-piece rods left in the basement
Personally, I'd love to have 2-piece Avid. It would be nice to know that I have a quality rod that can go any place.
In my experience, I've found that my 4 piece Cabela's XML pack rods were as fishable as my All Star Platinums and Fenwick Techna AV's. Although I never compared them head-to-head, I do not feel that the pack rods were a handicap by being perceived as heavier or less sensitive.
QuoteI don't care for 2 piece, have had them come apart and I don't need for that to happen again. My freshwater rods easily fit in my car and I don't see saltwater rods in 2 piece except for surf rods. My 8' fits in my trunk thru the pass thru, looks like I could get a 10 footer in there.
My 9 1/2' float-n-fly rod fits - but the tip is just about at the dashboard - maybe I could get a 10 footer in the car as well...
QuoteNow that I have a decent collection of 1 piece rods, I'm beginning to look at two piece rods again. I find that a two-piece rod that fits in the car with the family catches more and bigger fish that a bunch of one-piece rods left in the basement
EXACTLY ! There it is - buy 1-pc rods for your mainline fishing rods, but have some 2-pc rods for travel. I have an ancient 5-pc pack rod and reel in the trunk at all times - you never know when you might be driving around and see some good water (I need to upgrade this rod one of these days - it's about 43 years old!). Then, I have a number of 2-pc rods for cross-country travel when you don't want rods sticking from the trunk, through the back seat, and up between the front seats (or left in the bed of a truck).
My 13' trout rod is a two piece.
I already have a nice two piece spinning rod for travel, so I think I would want the spinning rod that I fish most with to be a one piece.... I would just have more confidence...
QuoteThere used to be a time when two piece rods were really lousy, nowdays if you purchase a good quality there won' t be much difference between a 1 piece vs a 2 piece of the same model. Shure there will be a slight diffeence in weigth, sure there will be a slight difference in sensitivity but it's so small that you are not going to be able to feel it.
Yes. I think the "good quality" comment is key though. I bought my boy a off brand 2-pc. last year that will not stay in line properly or together all the time.
QuoteI already have a nice two piece spinning rod for travel
That's an important piece of information.
In my case, my confidence rods are 1 piece. However, it's not because I distrust 2 piece rods (I grew up with them). My confidence rods have designs and components that are not typically found on 2 piece rods.
QuoteI already have a nice two piece spinning rod for travel, so I think I would want the spinning rod that I fish most with to be a one piece.... I would just have more confidence...
My friend, my confidence is not proportional to the ammount of pieces of my rod, it 's proprtional to the quality of the materials and components that make the rod. So don 't say you will be more confident, simply say what you said first:I want the rod that I fish the most to be one piece and that 's it.
Many things said today have a brackground, yes many moons ago 2 piece rods were lousy, nowdays they are not, so you can no longer say that two piece rods are inferior to one piece rods, if you purchase a 1 piece lousy rod it will continue to be lousy, if you purchase a good quality multipiece rod that 's what you will get, a good quality rod.
Here the problem is availability, most rod manufacturers on this continent do not offer good or superior quality multipiece rods, and if they do then you will probably not find what you are looking for, in other continents they do.
I would beg to differ. This is just my personal preference. I would feel better and more comfortable fishing with a one piece rod because I will be rested assured that it won't unsnap or come apart. I will have direct contact throughout the entire blank hence even more sensitivity. You can think what you want, that's fine, but that is how I see it....
The two piece is more expensive and when you see the two piece rod compared to the one piece rod, the first guide on the two piece is MUCH closer to the second guide and further up. That causes line flutter off the reel and that is one cause of wind knots
How you assemble and disassemble a two (or more) piece rod goes a long way in determining the integrity and longevity of it. They make a ferrule wax, but any soft wax will do. I think there is an explanation of this on St. Croix's website.
The only multi piece rods I had trouble with were over 30 years ago when the ferrules were metal.
Most of my rods are 2 pc rods with me only having 9 setups and 6 of them being 2 pc rods. I have 2 XML's, 1 XMLTi, and a Mag Touch which are all good rods and I've never had a problem with one of them coming apart while fishing it or fighting a fish. One of my crankbait rods is a 2 pc Daiwa D Force rods for shallow to medium diving crankbaits. The crankbait rod is the only one I have ever had come apart on a cast and its also the least expensive at about $20. I just started to getting into a selection of one piece rods and I have confidence in myself and any rod that I'm fishing with to catch fish.
I like having two piece rods for the convenience. It is so much easier to keep in my car for those spontaneous trips. The next vacation my family goes on will include fishing for me, and there is no way I can get a 1 piece rod in the car with the kids and all the luggage.
Yes, I have cast off the top half a few times, but not very often.
QuoteDoes a two piece rod effect the performance of the rod at all?
QuoteI would feel better and more comfortable fishing with a one piece rod because I will be rested assured that it won't unsnap or come apart. I will have direct contact throughout the entire blank hence even more sensitivity.The two piece is more expensive and when you see the two piece rod compared to the one piece rod, the first guide on the two piece is MUCH closer to the second guide and further up. That causes line flutter off the reel and that is one cause of wind knots
I think you've answered your own question. You probably will not be satisfied with the 2-piece rod. There's no sense wondering if you should have traded.. The Avid is a fine rod. Enjoy it and share your thoughts about it :) :)