No current Shimano model has ever been put on sale, much less clearance. They aren't on Clearance everywhere yet, but Tackle Warehouse is closing them out. I am honestly excited about this...the Curado shall be reborn highlighting it's roots. The 100d is a desirable reel and gets great reviews, but the 200 is way too heavy and takes away from what made the Curado famous. Anyone else excited as to what Shimano will do with the lineup?
That is great, but I sure hope to not see any serious price hikes. I don't think the Curado D is worth its $199 price without a discount. Okay, it is, or should I say was, but I tend to be one who waits and lurks for the right time to buy.
QuoteExcited? Not really.It is obvious that something is up with Shimano, given that the $100-$200 casting lineup was redesigned less than 3 years ago. That Abu Garcia has made that much of an inroads into the market with the Revo is amazing.
Hopefully this will mean that the market will flood with cheap Curado 100D's next spring.
Just my luck that I * up and buy a damned Premier about the time that TW puts the Curado on absolute rock-bottom closeout. :'(
I'm excited to see if Shimano can wow me with a a middle market reel that is somewhat impressive. Abu Garcia's Revo and Daiwa's Advantage seem do be taking over the market share (granted I don't buy either reel). Change is exciting for a tackle junky even if he doesn't plan to buy any of the product in question . I would buy several 100d's if they end up going for around $100. Wouldn't that be sweet :-? 8-)
QuoteThat is great, but I sure hope to not see any serious price hikes. I don't think the Curado D is worth its $199 price without a discount. Okay, it is, or should I say was, but I tend to be one who waits and lurks for the right time to buy.
Nope...guaranteed lower price. This is what cost Shimano the market share I believe. Time will tell, but I'm very confident the Curado with be back at the $120-$150 price point.
QuoteNope...guaranteed lower price. This is what cost Shimano the market share I believe. Time will tell, but I'm very confident the Curado with be back at the $120-$150 price point.
I expect to see reels at $100, $150 and $200, ala Garcia and Daiwa.
QuoteChange is exciting for a tackle junky even if he doesn't plan to buy any of the product in question .
That is true. I trust that Shimano will really wow us and put Garcia to shame. ;D
QuoteI would buy several 100d's if they end up going for around $100. Wouldn't that be sweet :-? 8-)
That would be sweet. Not like I need any more reels, but... :-[
My take is they are discontinuing the D and just going ith the DSV for higher line capacity since most pepole are going with the 100 size. 200 is just too big and heavy IMHO for the price.
I doubt they will totally scrap the line. The Curado is a great product, but the D in the 100 size doesn't hold enough line.
SC
The old Curados weighted 8.6 oz, I can take that, but 9.9 oz ? ...... one of the reasons I seldomly fish now with my old Abus XLT series is because after I fish with them I end up pretty beat up, the ole casting arma ain 't what it used to be. :-/
I'm not knocking the Curado. I had two 200DHSVs and thought they were fine reels. But it seems to me you should get more in the 100D for $199 - more than 5 bearings and graphite sideplates on both sides. If that went for $199, what is Shimano going to do to get the price down even further?
QuoteI'm not knocking the Curado. I had two 200DHSVs and thought they were fine reels. But it seems to me you should get more in the 100D for $199 - more than 5 bearings and graphite sideplates on both sides. If that went for $199, what is Shimano going to do to get the price down even further?
cut some of their profits...
QuoteQuoteThat is great, but I sure hope to not see any serious price hikes. I don't think the Curado D is worth its $199 price without a discount. Okay, it is, or should I say was, but I tend to be one who waits and lurks for the right time to buy.Nope...guaranteed lower price. This is what cost Shimano the market share I believe. Time will tell, but I'm very confident the Curado with be back at the $120-$150 price point.
That is what I was hoping to hear, but I was preparing for the worst just in case. If Shimano breaks it down the way you propsed, that to me would be very fair and reasonable. I too think that failure to do that initially cost them. Thanks!
If Shimano does redesign and lower the prics of the Curado wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth to all the guys who bought the new D series..
I bought a new Citica this year and IMO its just as good as my older Curados..
I was planning on trying the new Curado but now I guess I will sit back and see if the prices drop even lower or wait and see if a new 1 will be introduced..
fooman if you wait then you will wait forever before they go onsale agian I plan on picking the curado up while on sale
QuoteIf Shimano does redesign and lower the prics of the Curado wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth to all the guys who bought the new D series..
How so? You take that chance every time you buy a durable good.
This situation is quite normal in the golf world. Club companies release a new line every two to three years in order to maintain their bottom line. IMO there were two companies that really resisted that line of thinking. Shimano and Ping. Ping started shifting to the flavor of the year line around 02, I'm surprised Shimano has lasted this long.
While making a quality product is first and foremost, a manufacturer of durable goods must also consider repeat business. If you're standing pat on your product line, your market share will eventually dry up.
It really sucks that this happens. If we would just buy a quality product and then stick with it companies would be fine. Instead we have to run out a buy what ever new a company comes out with. Most of which is just a new name and color scheme and a nice price increase. I myself have been gulity. We just love to buy new stuff.
QuoteIf Shimano does redesign and lower the prics of the Curado wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth to all the guys who bought the new D series..I bought a new Citica this year and IMO its just as good as my older Curados..
I was planning on trying the new Curado but now I guess I will sit back and see if the prices drop even lower or wait and see if a new 1 will be introduced..
That's an easy one for them to get out of. If the redesign the curado "d" to the curado "e" they could simply change the name of the curado "d" as we know it to something else. Perhaps dub it the "Panacea."
I don't mean to keep this going as a Shimano bashing thread but here's the deal.
You can get a Abu for $19 less than a Curado (that with the rebates). The Abu weighs less and more importantly, the Abu has a drag maximum of over 20lbs. The Curado (100/200) is less than 10lbs. I mean how can you flip or use this reel for a frog rod. To me, this reel has no application other than the brand name.
I seriously entertained buying one of these. Drawn in by the hype I guess. Just didn't make sense.
J
QuoteThe Abu weighs less and more importantly, the Abu has a drag maximum of over 20lbs. The Curado (100/200) is less than 10lbs. I mean how can you flip or use this reel for a frog rod. To me, this reel has no application other than the brand name.
How many people knew or paid attention to maximum drag tension before Abu started throwing those numbers up?
It wasn't an issue. WOW, how did anyone ever catch fish before Garcia's super-duper flash bang drag? :
It is quite laughable. Then again, perfect for the crowd that thinks more of anything (e.g. bearings) equals better. :-X
QuoteHow many people knew or paid attention to maximum drag tension before Abu started throwing those numbers up?
It wasn't an issue. WOW, how did anyone ever catch fish before Garcia's super-duper flash bang drag? :
It is quite laughable. Then again, perfect for the crowd that thinks more of anything (e.g. bearings) equals better. :-X
Amen brother! What a vast majority of the bass fishing world doesn't get is that the drag systems working in connection with the flex of your rod. If you max out a drag on a reel between 8 -10 lbs of pressure you can pull line directly off the reel with a bit of effort. Now take that same reel and put the line through guides in a rod and pull against the flex of the rod and the drag (simulates real world use) it is much, much harder to do.
The 24 lbs of drag sounds impressive but unfortunately that amount of drag has little real world bass fishing application.
QuoteQuoteThe Abu weighs less and more importantly, the Abu has a drag maximum of over 20lbs. The Curado (100/200) is less than 10lbs. I mean how can you flip or use this reel for a frog rod. To me, this reel has no application other than the brand name.How many people knew or paid attention to maximum drag tension before Abu started throwing those numbers up?
It wasn't an issue. WOW, how did anyone ever catch fish before Garcia's super-duper flash bang drag? :
It is quite laughable. Then again, perfect for the crowd that thinks more of anything (e.g. bearings) equals better. :-X
Is money the more of anything you speak of? Or more metal?
Bottom line is that the Abu offers more for less money. I wanted a reel for a new frog rod and sure the rod would probably take up most of the flex from a hookset or dragging a bass +10 pounds of weeds but why would I chance it?
J
QuoteHow many people knew or paid attention to maximum drag tension before Abu started throwing those numbers up?
It wasn't an issue. WOW, how did anyone ever catch fish before Garcia's super-duper flash bang drag? :
It is quite laughable. Then again, perfect for the crowd that thinks more of anything (e.g. bearings) equals better. :-X
But why should less cost so much more??? I mean, where is the justification for the 100D to cost $199 when the Revo S, for instance, is very comparable in performance, has more bearings, had an aluminum sideplate, and a more powerful drag is half the price?
IMO, the name brings a premium price. Shimano charges it because people will pay it. That's it.
yea but shimano has been here for some time as has the curado and people can trust it and will last forever its a tank and you cant put a price on relieablity of your gear
not putting down REVO or abu but the revo is new and no one can say how it will do in time as only time will tell us this
Quoteyea but shimano has been here for some time as has the curado and people can trust it and will last forever its a tank and you cant put a price on relieablity of your gearnot putting down REVO or abu but the revo is new and no one can say how it will do in time as only time will tell us this
I've heard that argument before, and it doesn't make any sense. AFAIK, Abu was an old hand in the business when Shimano got into making reels.
As far as the Revo being new and the "time will tell thing," same goes with the current Curado, which ISN'T the Curado of a few years ago.
And apparently, some companies do think you can put a reasonable price on "reliability."
Quoteits a tank
No argument there.
QuoteQuoteits a tankNo argument there.
;D x2
QuoteQuoteIf Shimano does redesign and lower the prics of the Curado wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth to all the guys who bought the new D series..
How so? You take that chance every time you buy a durable good.
This situation is quite normal in the golf world. Club companies release a new line every two to three years in order to maintain their bottom line. IMO there were two companies that really resisted that line of thinking. Shimano and Ping. Ping started shifting to the flavor of the year line around 02, I'm surprised Shimano has lasted this long.
While making a quality product is first and foremost, a manufacturer of durable goods must also consider repeat business. If you're standing pat on your product line, your market share will eventually dry up.
It would be a kick in the teeth IF Shimano redesigns the Curado then turning around and dropping the price...I would be PO if I dropped $200 on a newly designed reel and turn around the next year and the company makes it better and cheaper..
If a company has a good product at a reasonable price they do not have to keep tweaking it year after year..
Thats 1 thing I liked about the Curado C's ,I could buy a couple every year and they were all the same not like some other companies who feel they have to change things yearly..
Quoteyea but shimano has been here for some time as has the curado and people can trust it and will last forever its a tank and you cant put a price on relieablity of your gearnot putting down REVO or abu but the revo is new and no one can say how it will do in time as only time will tell us this
You have a very good point.
However, as Micro mentioned Abu is an old hand. The first hard decision I had to make was whether to buy an Abu or a Daiwa. I think I was 14 at the time. I went with the Daiwa, my brother got the Abu. Guess what, both are still working 15 years and hundreds of fish later.
There is going to come a point when the durability critics are going to have to cede and say "ok, maybe it does last". Until that time comes, I am going to abuse my Abus and if they break then I guess I will go back to Daiwa.
I am sure the Shimanos are fine reels. I never had one so for me to make a judgement beyond the specs is ridiculous. I just can't pay the money for the name.
J
Just sold my Revo Premier, very light, felt tight, but had issues and I went through 2 of them before I gave up.
Guess what I got....yup a Shimano Curado 100D, was going to go for a high end Daiwa, think redline robert taste, but could not pass the rebate deal up. I don't know if Shimano is close to a model change, but the rebate worked on me at least.
QuoteAs far as the Revo being new and the "time will tell thing," same goes with the current Curado, which ISN'T the Curado of a few years ago.
But Shimano has a much better track record with low profile reels. Abu's calling has been round reels and in the past Abu has put out some awful low profile reels.