Shimano 2024
CheckedOut reply :
To all the Shimano guys. I currently own a PQ and I really like the reel but I am wondering how much I may be missing out on a higher end reel. I grew up using ABU gear. I was big into fishing back in the 80's and 90's but got away from it for quite a while. I used the mag II reel exclusively then. I am extremely concerned with dropping $200 plus on a gen 3 revo after reading about all the issues it has been having. So I decided to check out a Chronarch at BPS yesterday. When I was checking out the free spool I noticed that it did not a have long sustained spin. My PQ spun longer fresh out of the box then the Chronarch did. The Chronarch I was looking at was fresh in box also. My question is will it require a full breakdown and soak, or was I a possibly looking at a bad one and when it gets to be time to pull the trigger is this something I should be looking close at to make sure I do not get a possible bad one.
rockchalk06 reply :
Possibly. All 4 of my Shimano's were packed with more oil and grease then a wheel bearing needs.
thehooligan reply :
Like rockchalk said, shimano greases and oils there reels heavily for all the fishermen that dont do proper maintenance. Get the reel cleaned and tuned and you'll be amazed.
ww2farmer reply :
Every Shimano reel I own, gets smoother with use, I can't say that about any other brand. In fact just the opposite, they start out smooth and go downhill.
kickerfish1 reply :
The free spin of the spool isn't the best measure of a reels casting distance. Not until you actually get the reel out and actually cast it, can one tell what its capabilities are. If that is what is putting you on the fence I would just move past it.
The chronarch series of reels are good reels and excellent casters. It would be a nice upgrade to the older reels you own.
lmbfisherman reply :
Like others stated they over grease because the average fisherman won't properly maintain them right out of the box. I mean I am at times get lazy and don't give it the maintenance right out of the box.
.RM. reply :
When I was checking out the free spool I noticed that it did not a have long sustained spin. My PQ spun longer fresh out of the box then the Chronarch did.
Compairing a NITB reel against a reel that has been fished is just stupid! 
Hell the reel hasn't even been setup to cast. As stated sustained rotation doesn't mean much, IMPO especially in the tackle shop...
Tight Lines All! 
ULG reply :
u kinda get what u pay for in the reel dept with exception of some brand IMO, but shimano citica is a great starter reel for the price, i would reccomend it over the revo s for sure at the same price point. with that being said, another 30 bucks gets u a curado g or a revo sx, now ur starting to get into the lines of 160-165 and i feel is a big jump in quality from the citica. just my opinion. and then another 30 gets u a stx or a chronarch, as i owned and still own all of the reelsmentioned above with exception of the revo s, i have had a few lemons in the batch but overall pleased with all of thier performance. but they do seem to perform with a few trips on thier belt, i guess its the movements n motions of using it possibly that work the parts thoroughly? but hope this imformation has been helpful.
Capt.Bob reply :
The shop spin test hold's no salt, till you lube each reel properly it is meaningless, and even then not a true indication of performance, casting, or smoothness, as I can safely say the Chronarch is absolutely the better of those two reels! For true total performance judging it's real world use, and with that said if you check all the reel owners comments on all brands, especially those that have owned or used most brands, I think you will find you need to go other than bass pro and check out the Lew's reels also if you are looking to pull the trigger on a new reel and want the best bang for your buck, and the smooothest out there. You can't do that at BPS as they have a hate agenda against Lew's owner and refuses to stock them.
roadwarrior reply :
I'm sure you will be very pleased with the Chronarch.
J Francho reply :
Here's a properly lubed Chronarch:
down4ttown reply :
I have a chronarch and two PQ's and this is not even a fair fight. The Chronarch blows the PQs out of the water. Not even close.
BigMoneyGrip reply :
eddieg, one thing that I think slows the free spool on Shimanos is the oil on the brake surface. If you get one, take a qtip and clean off the brake drum. You can make it even better by cleaning the spool bearings. It takes less than a minute to remove both of them.
All of my reels are Shimano, but I got a PQ to see what the hype was aboout. While the PQ is a great reel, Shimano wins everytime.
down4ttown reply :
Honestly, I look at the name. Shimano is all you need to know. That said the PQ is a great reel at that price. Hence why I have both. I also have two team lew's that I would not trade. I am with the others though. The more I use my reels the better they feel, and the more in tune I become with them.
Brackish Angler 228 reply :
Seeing how long the spool can spin means absolutely nothing. I used to think the same thing. I bought a Calcutta 200GTB for saltwater fishing and when buying a freshwater reel I was spinning every spool in my local tackle store comparing them to my Calcutta. I bought a Revo SX because of how "fast" everything would move on it. I fish my Calcutta alongside my Revo all the time and with the same baits the casting distance is almost identical.
Now, I do have a Chronarch 50e and I love it, but I can't comment on how it was new. I bought it here on the flea market and the seller said it was fished 5 times but I can't tell you if he stripped and relubed it. I will say my family owns around 30 Shimanos (mostly Calcuttas and original Bantams) and none of them were "bad" straight out of the box.
The Chronarch will not disappoint you. I'm incredible impressed with the quality of the reel and its performance. It will cast weightless worms no problem with only 2 brakes on and hardly any spool tension. I can't say that about any other reels I own.
new2BC4bass reply :
Were the spool tensions set the same? I keep most all my reel spool tensions set the same way....tight enough to remove side-to-side play. None of my reels that I have checked for free spool time are that fantastic. Not compare to what some claim for there's. Yet I get pretty good distance with most of them.
EDIT: What a spool that turns with a hard look means to me is that it is easy to over-run or backlash. Guess I don't need to tell you my thumb isn't as educated as many others posting. 
J Francho reply :
I look at it this way. I don't need 435 hp in my truck. It's nice to know it's there, though. 
TNBassin' reply :
All questions regarding the casting distance of the Chronarch will be answered as soon as the first cast is made. I have yet to flush my bearings, because I'm getting some crazy distance right out of the box. I did clean off the spool shaft with some alcohol, since it had some grease on it but that's it. I have used Abu gear for the longest time, and one outing with my Chronarch and I promptly sold all of my Revos and got another Chronarch.
rubba bubba reply :
On 6/14/2013 at 8:16 PM, eddieg said:To all the Shimano guys. I currently own a PQ and I really like the reel but I am wondering how much I may be missing out on a higher end reel.
You will only be missing out on the fun and satisfaction of trying new and different toys. You won't catch more fish, but you may enjoy fishing more. Find a deal on one and if you don't like it, you can sell it for most, if not all of what you paid for it.
And don't take RM's tone too seriously - his communication skills are poor but he means well.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 6/14/2013 at 10:35 PM, eddieg said:Yeah. I got my PQ doing that after I cleaned it all up and properly lubed it. The Chronarch I was looking at in the store was only about 5 seconds long of spin. This is why i was questioning if it is something that I might want to look at before buying. Could it be possibly 1 bad reel out of 1000's? I would not have questioned if it went for like 10 seconds or more. Do they pack the bearings that much?
They sure do! The Chronarch is a more refined reel, but that's reflected in the price. The PQ is a very good value and they go on sale regularly. IMO the Revo S is more on par with a Curado than Citica. I haven't seen any real mechanical problems on new Revos yet. I think the weight reduction gives them a little more sound as a trade off and the lighter weight can be misinterpreted as "cheap" feel
TNBassin' reply :
On 6/15/2013 at 3:21 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:They sure do! The Chronarch is a more refined reel, but that's reflected in the price. The PQ is a very good value and they go on sale regularly. IMO the Revo S is more on par with a Curado than Citica. I haven't seen any real mechanical problems on new Revos yet. I think the weight reduction gives them a little more sound as a trade off and the lighter weight can be misinterpreted as "cheap" feel
My impressions of the Revos when I had them were not that they felt cheap, but that they felt "hollow". Especially my STX. Like you said though, the lighter weight of it gave me that feel. There was just nothing to them.
.RM. reply :
On 6/15/2013 at 1:53 AM, rubba bubba said:You will only be missing out on the fun and satisfaction of trying new and different toys. You won't catch more fish, but you may enjoy fishing more. Find a deal on one and if you don't like it, you can sell it for most, if not all of what you paid for it.
And don't take RM's tone too seriously - his communication skills are poor but he means well.
28yrs servicing reels, I stand by what I said. ..............
*Hootie reply :
On 6/15/2013 at 5:49 AM, .RM. said:28yrs servicing reels, I stand by what I said. ..............
But was it necessary to refer to th OP as stupid.
I spent 40 yrs. welding. Should I call anyone who can't weld stupid??? Sheesh!!!
Hootie
Basswhippa reply :
He did not call him stupid. He said what he did was stupid. Big difference. Einstein was genius but did stupid stuff. We all do. On average the Shimano is great.
Capt.Bob reply :
sounds like someone is a bit THIN SKINNED!!!! Get over it, I wont say stupid, but most of us that service reels as a business, knows how useless spinning an empty spool is to determine what reels are best!!!! 
Capt.Bob reply :
Sorry, your right it's probably a bad one,,,,,,,,my mistake 
kickerfish1 reply :
Hang in there Eddie. What you asked was a very valid question. Considering the jump from a PQ to a Chronarch E is double at a full retail, it is a considerable purchase. For guys that are are used tossing around hundreds of dollars for reels it is a point, click, pay, and wait for the package to arrive... stroll in the park gig if you will. To others that are more hands on, and methodical, they are trying to find the best one right away that seems to feel like the pick of the litter.
Eddie, I bought a chronarch 50e earlier this year online without trying one in the store. I haven't done anything mechanically to it but its performance is very good right out of the box. Obviously more work on the internals and tuning and the performance goes up. I feel confident that regardless of which reel you choose you will be happy with the performance the reel provides. If you fish regularly it would be a good idea to have the reel serviced on annual basis to ensure the longevity and performance of the reel.
TNBassin' reply :
On 6/14/2013 at 10:46 PM, BigMoneyGrip said:eddieg, one thing that I think slows the free spool on Shimanos is the oil on the brake surface. If you get one, take a qtip and clean off the brake drum. You can make it even better by cleaning the spool bearings. It takes less than a minute to remove both of them.
All of my reels are Shimano, but I got a PQ to see what the hype was aboout. While the PQ is a great reel, Shimano wins everytime.
Shimano recommends you lightly lube the brake drum. And you're right. There's no comparison between a Chronarch and a PQ.
rockchalk06 reply :
On 6/14/2013 at 10:35 PM, eddieg said:Yeah. I got my PQ doing that after I cleaned it all up and properly lubed it. The Chronarch I was looking at in the store was only about 5 seconds long of spin. This is why i was questioning if it is something that I might want to look at before buying. Could it be possibly 1 bad reel out of 1000's? I would not have questioned if it went for like 10 seconds or more. Do they pack the bearings that much?
Every reel on the reel bar at BP, looks like poo. They have parts missing, the spool control knobs are either too loose or tight and they have been abuse and played with daily. There is a good chance it could be that. Ask to see a new one.
*Hootie reply :
On 6/15/2013 at 10:27 AM, Capt.Bob said:sounds like someone is a bit THIN SKINNED!!!! Get over it, I wont say stupid, but most of us that service reels as a business, knows how useless spinning an empty spool is to determine what reels are best!!!!
You’re right. I guess I do get a little thin skinned at times. Comes from the way I was raised in a society and a time when people were taught to be respectful and considerate of another’s feelings. That there are ways to get a point across without being condescending or insulting. I realize, that time and place are probably forever gone. I suppose I must accept that. But, “get over it”, I hope I never do. Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.
Hootie
Capt.Bob reply :
On 6/15/2013 at 3:46 PM, hootiebenji said:You’re right. I guess I do get a little thin skinned at times. Comes from the way I was raised in a society and a time when people were taught to be respectful and considerate of another’s feelings. That there are ways to get a point across without being condescending or insulting. I realize, that time and place are probably forever gone. I suppose I must accept that. But, “get over it”, I hope I never do. Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.
Hootie
No one was commenting on you Hootie, or are you spin testing empty spools and afraid a slower spinning one rite out of the box is an indication of good or bad????? But hey pal I don't want to hurt your feelings either. 
Now back to the OP's, concerns, or ,,,,,, oh thats right,,,,,after doing that spin test in the shop he wasn't questioning the Chronarch,,,,,,,,,,I keep forgetting?????????? 
MichBassMan reply :
Out of the box it's hard to say how the centrifugal drags and spool bearing knob was set.
BigMoneyGrip reply :
Whats funny about all of this is when Hawg Tech posted about the bearings the other day, no one mentioned how useless freespool time was....
Where is Irene when you need her?
Capt.Bob reply :
On 6/14/2013 at 9:30 PM, Capt.Bob said:The shop spin test hold's no salt, till you lube each reel properly it is meaningless, and even then not a true indication of performance, casting, or smoothness, as I can safely say the Chronarch is absolutely the better of those two reels! For true total performance judging it's real world use, and with that said if you check all the reel owners comments on all brands, especially those that have owned or used most brands, I think you will find you need to go other than bass pro and check out the Lew's reels also if you are looking to pull the trigger on a new reel and want the best bang for your buck, and the smooothest out there. You can't do that at BPS as they have a hate agenda against Lew's owner and refuses to stock them.
On 6/15/2013 at 11:04 PM, BigMoneyGrip said:Whats funny about all of this is when Hawg Tech posted about the bearings the other day, no one mentioned how useless freespool time was....
Where is Irene when you need her?
In my first post after noticing no mention of it, if you read them you will see I made that statement 1hour and 15 minuets into this thread, I did fail to mention why!,,, it only uses 3 bearings, bushings, and a spool and will never be cast with the settings most make to watch it uselessly go around,,,,, no gears, level wind, knobs, etc etc etc, you get the picture,,,,, why so much is missed and hard to follow comments get made, is most only read the last few post when commenting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
00 mod reply :
Irene is here. Lets move on folks!
Jeff
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