Years ago, before the internet was widely available it was different buying fishing tackle. A rod/ reel may have been recommended by someone or you bought it because it was a trusted brand. Tackle shops pushed the brand's they carried. Now, we can scrutinize every type of rod , reel, or bait available through the internet. I read reviews of products too. It's a way to learn more about them, before you fork out your hard earned cash. Last winter, I bought my grandson a Shimano Sienna spinning reel. For the most part reviews are good on this reel, but not all. One was extreme. Don't buy this, cheap junk, poor quality, not enough bearings, and on and on. I wonder how many times this guy actually used this product, or if he is just paid to give reviews, or really doesn't even know how to fish very well! Looking through our notes, Aiden landed 63 bass with that reel this summer. Not one problem. The reel will be good to go next year, with a clean and light oiling. I think it's much better to ask on this forum, or talk to someone who has actually used the products in all scenarios. And how long they actually used it, and how often. You can never really tell how a product will perform based on one fishing trip. Anyone else wonder about reviews? Are you skeptical of them?
esp. baitcasting reel reviews. it seems a lot of people have no idea what they are doing when it comes to casting and blame it on the reel. youtube is full of reviews like this.
no, your reel is fine. learn how to adjust it.
Yeah the person doing the review could be a 13 year old who's been fishing 3 months or a professional angler with 30+ years experience (or Kanye), and everything in between, so yeah,...
On 10/14/2018 at 10:43 PM, reason said:Yeah the person doing the review could be a 13 year old who's been fishing 3 months or a professional angler with 30+ years experience (or Kanye), and everything in between, so yeah,...
I Agree
It honestly depends on who's doing the review. If it looks like plan ol' John Doe just doing a review to share information, I might pay a little more attention. But if it's someone who stands to gain something or has some time of financial link to the product...not so much
Nothing I enjoy more than reading (better yet watching) a thorough, objective review. I find it interesting to see what the reviewer likes or dislikes and why. A YouTube channel I love watching is "KeepingitReelFishing."
This guy gives some of the most honest and complete video reviews I've ever seen.
I get what you're saying though, about getting so many conflicting reviews on a product. Try reading reviews about a dang washing machine. It'll make you afraid to buy any of them.
the reviews that I can't watch are rod and reel box opening reviews.
they open a box and rave about how good or bad it is, without even putting any line on it or casting it.
in my opinion a good review is someone abusing it in the field. Then showing the results.
The best thing you can do is get your hands on the product whether that's going to the store, or asking a friend/family member to test it out if they got it lol. But nowadays it's a gamble and you got a 50/50 shot when ordering online if you gonna like or not. Honestly I usually like finding reviews on tackletour as they do a pretty good job most of the time.
On 10/15/2018 at 5:22 AM, Russ E said:the reviews that I can't watch are rod and reel box opening reviews.
they open a box and rave about how good or bad it is, without even putting any line on it or casting it.
in my opinion a good review is someone abusing it in the field. Then showing the results.
These are my least favorite too. Can't prove anything by "un boxing".
On 10/14/2018 at 10:43 PM, reason said:Yeah the person doing the review could be a 13 year old who's been fishing 3 months or a professional angler with 30+ years experience (or Kanye), and everything in between, so yeah,...
He should start doing some reviews. That man knows everything!????
I agree about the unboxing videos, completely worthless.
I like to hear from people I know for a fact have actually used a product and have some idea of what they're doing. Those factors combine to give what I consider a viable review of a product. One hour long trip at a neighborhood pond doesn't give an accurate review of a reel. Neither does me giving my Zillion TWS SV to someone who has no idea what they're doing and allowing them to backlash it again and again, of course they're going to think it's junk, they don't know what they're doing and it can't possibly be their fault.
There's also a lot of very bias reviews out there and you can tell when they're either all positive or all negative. A real review is going to touch on the positive AND the negative, or at least what they'd like different about the item. If they go on and on about how great it is and have not one thing even slightly bad to say, I'm suspicious of the authenticity of their review.
On 10/15/2018 at 12:50 AM, Boogey Man said:It honestly depends on who's doing the review. If it looks like plan ol' John Doe just doing a review to share information, I might pay a little more attention. But if it's someone who stands to gain something or has some time of financial link to the product...not so much
Well said. I don't give much attention when I see some professional fisherman, pro staffer, guide, etc saying something is great when I know they are getting paid by that company. I do pay attention to honest reviews from people who have nothing to gain and instead want to help people.
I'm skeptical of reviews, especially professional reviews where money is involved because you know they're not going to trash the product they're reviewing. Has anyone seen a professional review that said "this bait is overpriced junk that broke after my first cast when it hit the water and never caught a fish!"? What I will get from a professional review is what the product has to offer and maybe figure out what sort of conditions I would use that in. As far if it's junk or not, I wouldn't trust a paid review for that.
Instead, I prefer to talk to people and find out what they use and have success with instead. I also spend a lot of time following the TacticalBassin Youtube channel because they tend to recommend what they use and have success with, clearly know what they're doing and usually try to recommend what they have success with all over the country (while they do often use other brands in their videos themselves but that's in California). I picked up some lures they recommended and they all have produced rather well for me (although most of the rods and reels they use is out of my price range).
I also try to have a variety of certain lures on hand. With some, say swim jigs I really need about 4, a light and a dark one in 3/8oz and 1/2oz. Maybe a black or black and blue one for night, then backups. For baits like crankbaits, I'll have a lot more. I want a few medium and deep drivers, but since shallow divers see the most use I will want one with a wide wobble for spring and fall, some with a less wide wobble for summer, perhaps a tighter wobble for the spring, and then the same in a 2.5 size. Certain cranks have a unique wobble as well that can be worth trying as well.
Who's paying for reviews? I want in! LOL!
We get all sorts of stuff for review, and I go out and use the stuff, and write up my impressions and results. We're lucky here at BassResource.com that NONE of our sponsors are selling poor products. Once in a while, we get a defective product, or find a manufacturing flaw. It happens. We go straight back to the company, and work with them to correct the issue.
My big take away from this exercise is that there isn't a ton of junk out there, even at the low end budget price points.
Wildest one I ever read on another popular fishing site was a guy who posted that he bought a Shimano Curado, used it twice and "it fell apart". When others ask him to define "fell apart" he disappeared never to be heard from again on the site.
On 10/15/2018 at 10:02 PM, J Francho said:My big take away from this exercise is that there isn't a ton of junk out there, even at the low end budget price points.
I generally agree with this as well. Gear and tackle has improved a long way in recent years.
On 10/15/2018 at 10:10 PM, OnthePotomac said:Wildest one I ever read on another popular fishing site was a guy who posted that he bought a Shimano Curado, used it twice and "it fell apart". When others ask him to define "fell apart" he disappeared never to be heard from again on the site.
Yeah, we get similar stories here. Bought a reel, broke first time out, never gonna buy from that company again. Then come the excuses as to why they couldn't return their defective merchandise. They're usually tall tales from people just looking for attention.
On 10/14/2018 at 10:13 PM, Mobasser said:Years ago, before the internet was widely available it was different buying fishing tackle. A rod/ reel may have been recommended by someone or you bought it because it was a trusted brand. Tackle shops pushed the brand's they carried. Now, we can scrutinize every type of rod , reel, or bait available through the internet. I read reviews of products too. It's a way to learn more about them, before you fork out your hard earned cash. Last winter, I bought my grandson a Shimano Sienna spinning reel. For the most part reviews are good on this reel, but not all. One was extreme. Don't buy this, cheap junk, poor quality, not enough bearings, and on and on. I wonder how many times this guy actually used this product, or if he is just paid to give reviews, or really doesn't even know how to fish very well! Looking through our notes, Aiden landed 63 bass with that reel this summer. Not one problem. The reel will be good to go next year, with a clean and light oiling. I think it's much better to ask on this forum, or talk to someone who has actually used the products in all scenarios. And how long they actually used it, and how often. You can never really tell how a product will perform based on one fishing trip. Anyone else wonder about reviews? Are you skeptical of them?
-So....with regards to your reel, the review 'system' apparently works, as you say most reviews were good, and your experience was positive.
-Your last question is most important. I'm a huge fan of skepticism. Usually across the border into cynicism. Not just reviews, though. The internet has made everyone a potential expert without need for credentials.
-Reviews are still hugely important. Ebay would never have existed without them....probably not Amazon, nor HomeAdvisor, nor much of our internet commerce. But, as you suggest, a discriminating view is hugely important. Real life experience with a product, should be evident in a review you trust. And, its important to remember that every manufacturer turns out an occasional lemon...and some users aren't reasonably capable.
-Retail site reviews should be taken with a grain of salt and consider that most are written within a few days of receiving a new product -- and generally don't tell you much about experience after a few weeks, or years.
-'Fake' reviews are a real, growing problem. Both for and against products and services. And many of them are written well....be skeptical
-Even here there's always risk of reviews that aren't especially helpful.-- when asking for opinions, be specific as to what user experience you're looking for -- not just 'what's the best reel?' If writing reviews and opinions here, please explain models, length/frequency of experience, conditions used (rives/lakes; SMB/LMB; etc.)
Skepticism is a good thing
For the most part sponsored anglers are paid to give those reviews. But the flipside to that is why get sponsored with a product you don't use and like? Some manufacturers flood the market with a lot of low dollar sponsorships just to create market share is why. You get $10 off retail and get to be called prostaff as long as you create so many social media posts, write reviews on retailers, etc. It pays to know a manufacturers sponsorship program.
On 10/15/2018 at 10:28 PM, TOXIC said:For the most part sponsored anglers are paid to give those reviews. But the flipside to that is why get sponsored with a product you don't use and like? Some manufacturers flood the market with a lot of low dollar sponsorships just to create market share is why. You get $10 off retail and get to be called prostaff as long as you create so many social media posts, write reviews on retailers, etc. It pays to know a manufacturers sponsorship program.
Good points. Sponsorship comes with it, some responsibility for honesty and transparency. You are always very explicit that you are sponsored when you recommend products or give glowing reviews. I wish all were the same...maybe it should be required in sponsorship contracts :)
It sucks that you can’t walk into most brick and mortar stores and hold the product anymore. The last time I went in Bass Pro they had about 6 baitcasting reels on display that weren’t their own brand. You really do have to buy blind.
This is even more annoying with rods. I know what I’m getting when I order an Abu, Shimano, or daiwa reel. They generally feel the same generation to generation. However rods vary a lot. There are several rods on my shelf I would’ve never bought had they been available to handle in person
I know when I was sponsored (Wilderness Systems, AT Paddles) the policy was not to talk down about others' products, and get as much seat time in competitors' boats as possible. This was to be able to not just be an expert in the product that sponsored you, but to be an all around expert and draw on your experiences in those other boats to make comparisons that were valid. We were also instructed explicitly NOT to "pimp" our rides.
I agree with all the above. They say you become more skeptical with age. Maybe that's what's going on with me! Either way- use the product - in real conditions, then post a review. I'll be a lot more apt to believe you
On 10/15/2018 at 11:06 PM, Mobasser said:I agree with all the above. They say you become more skeptical with age. Maybe that's what's going on with me! Either way- use the product - in real conditions, then post a review. I'll be a lot more apt to believe you
Working from this end of the forum, I've gotten REAL skeptical. You would be surprised how many of those 10% Coupon code pro staffers' posts are removed. They aren't here for the community or the camaraderie, just pushing up impressions for their discount. First time post, "Ever try this bait..." posts a link to the website, lol.
On 10/15/2018 at 11:29 PM, J Francho said:Working from this end of the forum, I've gotten REAL skeptical. You would be surprised how many of those 10% Coupon code pro staffers' posts are removed. They aren't here for the community or the camaraderie, just pushing up impressions for their discount. First time post, "Ever try this bait..." posts a link to the website, lol.
It pays to be skeptical!
On 10/15/2018 at 10:45 PM, Choporoz said:Good points. Sponsorship comes with it, some responsibility for honesty and transparency. You are always very explicit that you are sponsored when you recommend products or give glowing reviews. I wish all were the same...maybe it should be required in sponsorship contracts
There's a very good reason for that. EVERY company I ever approached for sponsorship was a product that I used and liked. Yamamoto is a prime example. I bought their baits at retail for many years. I used them, I liked them, and I honestly believe they are the best plastic manufacturer on the market. Is there a downside? Sure there is and there are a lot of complaints as well. Too expensive, too fragile.....etc. I have dealt with those complaints for years. I can help with rigging tips to make them last longer, I can't control the price. Yamamoto actually wants me to use other baits and give them honest reviews. This site doesn't like sponsor promotion so I keep it to a minimum but you can bet that if I go out and catch fish on a Senko, I'm going to say it was on a Senko. Just like SPRO cranks. I use them, I like them. I have 2 other cranks in my boat. 1 Staycee and 2 Mann's Baby Minus ones. The rest of my cranks are SPRO and I catch a lot of fish on them. I have expressed my like for CastAway rods because I used them exclusively for years. They were good sticks and still are. Just to end what some may see as an endless plug....I have never been a discount prostaffer and I have never had a requirement in any of my contracts to make social media posts or write reviews. Normally, I'll only talk about my sponsors when the subject is brought up on the baits themselves.
@TOXIC The difference is that you are not self promoting, or using this site for self gain. You are welcome, as are your posts, because you are transparent, and you genuinely want to help others catch fish. If it's with a GYCB baits, then so be it. Your take on fishing what you like is spot on. I never pursued sponsorship, I was approached by companies that took an interest in my fishing, both successes on the water, and what I had written. Do I think it's a little close minded to say one bait is better than the rest? Maybe. But maybe also I would have said the same thing before my associations with this site. I used to be pretty stuck on my preferred products. There's a lot stuff out there, and testing and trying new gear has taught me what an old friend always says: "The fish are where you find them."
On 10/16/2018 at 1:45 AM, TOXIC said:Normally, I'll only talk about my sponsors when the subject is brought up on the baits themselves.
This is perfect. Nothing is more valuable than integrity. If the product is good, it sells itself. All I have to do is tell a good fishing story.
On 10/16/2018 at 2:00 AM, J Francho said:@TOXIC The difference is that you are not self promoting, or using this site for self gain. You are welcome, as are your posts, because you are transparent, and you genuinely want to help others catch fish. If it's with a GYCB baits, then so be it. Your take on fishing what you like is spot on. I never pursued sponsorship, I was approached by companies that took an interest in my fishing, both successes on the water, and what I had written. Do I think it's a little close minded to say one bait is better than the rest? Maybe. But maybe also I would have said the same thing before my associations with this site. I used to be pretty stuck on my preferred products. There's a lot stuff out there, and testing and trying new gear has taught me what an old friend always says: "The fish are where you find them."
This is perfect. Nothing is more valuable than integrity. If the product is good, it sells itself. All I have to do is tell a good fishing story.
Exactly! Nothing is more valuable than honest integrity! I would respect a review of a product by either of you guys- because you know your stuff! We'll said!
If you type "John Franchot" into the search on the articles home page, you'll find some of mine.
Key words.. ,"pole" "line thingy"
I'm pretty wary of most reviews, everyone is looking to sell something nowadays, and everything catches fish. One guy I really like is KeepinItReelFishing because his reviews are the most thorough I've seen, though he hasn't posted much recently. I also like the TackleTour guys though they do seem to be pretty favorable most of the time where they seem reluctant to be overly critical.
On 10/15/2018 at 5:14 AM, LionHeart said:Nothing I enjoy more than reading (better yet watching) a thorough, objective review. I find it interesting to see what the reviewer likes or dislikes and why. A YouTube channel I love watching is "KeepingitReelFishing."
This guy gives some of the most honest and complete video reviews I've ever seen.
I get what you're saying though, about getting so many conflicting reviews on a product. Try reading reviews about a dang washing machine. It'll make you afraid to buy any of them.
Also checkout Tackle Advisor
On a similar note, I generally fall pretty skeptical of rod reviews. I believe that higher quality rods are certainly more sensitive, but when talking about sensitivity of one rod versus another it seems to be to be very subjective. I mean, how do you quantify or measure sensitivity? Clearly actually using one over another at the same time is a way to tell, but that also comes down to what you yourself can feel and sense, and that changes from person to person.
Case in point, I have switched over to Shimano Zodias rods. I personally love them, but I feel they're not as sensitive as the E6X, along the same pricepoint. There are forum threads about one over the other, but people who have likely never given good time to fish both are making claims that the Shimano is more sensitive, or the E6X is more sensitive. I've never used both in an arena where I can make a good claim, they were isolated uses from each other and I never got a good idea of which I preferred. For me it came down to how the rod felt in my hand, and how I felt casting it over and over and over each time I went out. I feel that both rods are sensitive enough to catch fish, but I can't easily say one is more than the other.
Tackle reviews for me are also subjective. For me a lure might seem like junk, but the minute I catch a decent fish my judgement is changed. I don't believe necessarily in the power of a lure based on a couple fish. Now, give it a good season's worth of work and tell me it's consistent and I'll give it another look, but those Tackle Warehouse user reviews at the bottom of the page "I went out and caught 3 bass in 4 hours" - that's not helpful. I like to hear about castability, durability, and availability too.
Reel reviews have a lot of moving components, and like others have said I don't generally fall for the casting distance or freespooling hype. I tend to look at comfortability and durability. I also don't like the reel feeling "cheap" when I pick it up in the store and fiddle with it. I like a good solid feel, even if it means it weighs a bit more.
Yeah, I know ... old thread. But, still a valuable tool when considering new purchases. I’m looking for a new reel (won’t bore you with the details) and found this thread to be thought-provoking. Living in western Massachusetts, I can take a left from my driveway, go two blocks, and fall off the edge of the earth. There is no way I can play touchy-feely with any higher-end products so I am relying on the members of this organization to relay their objective views on the products in which I am interested.
Thanks to all who take the time and make the effort to help folks in my position. In my mind, it beats the heck out of most of the YouTube “reviews”!!!
On 1/2/2019 at 8:43 PM, GrumpyOlPhartte said:so I am relying on the members of this organization to relay their objective views on the products
I think we're a much more discriminating bunch than the average angler.
On 1/2/2019 at 8:43 PM, GrumpyOlPhartte said:Yeah, I know ... old thread. But, still a valuable tool when considering new purchases. I’m looking for a new reel (won’t bore you with the details) and found this thread to be thought-provoking. Living in western Massachusetts, I can take a left from my driveway, go two blocks, and fall off the edge of the earth. There is no way I can play touchy-feely with any higher-end products so I am relying on the members of this organization to relay their objective views on the products in which I am interested.
Thanks to all who take the time and make the effort to help folks in my position. In my mind, it beats the heck out of most of the YouTube “reviews”!!!
Check out some reviews NY J Francho. He writes them with fisherman in mind.
On 1/2/2019 at 10:18 PM, Mobasser said:Check out some reviews NY J Francho. He writes them with fisherman in mind.
By J Francho I meant to say!