Seaguar Smackdown is Trash 2024
hawgwash reply :
Just bought some Seaguar Smackdown and I've been using it on my new rig. I've encountered an issue that I wanted to let you guys know about so you don't smack your money down on this stuff.
In the picture I took is the problem. The braid separates and just becomes a mess. It doesn't cut very well either. Hopefully I can get my money back for this trash. This is the second time I've had issues with Seaguar line. Guess I'm going back to Power Pro.
jbrew73 reply :
I’ve never used seaguar so I can’t comment on it but PowerPro has never let me down.
Choporoz reply :
What are we looking at? Was it used? Or out of package defective? If used, under what conditions, and for how long. I dont mind negative reviews, but I dismiss them if not fairly comprehensive. I've read a lot of recommendations for that line, so more info would be better for your campaign
hawgwash reply :
Whenever I handle the line it just comes apart like you see in the photo. So if I’m trying to tie a Uni not like I was in that picture The line pulls apart. This is brand new line that I ordered from tackle warehouse. Been using it a few days and it keeps doing the same thing.
Gorris317 reply :
Never had an issue with Power Pro or 832. The only Seaguar I use is InvizX and love the stuff.
Glenn reply :
That doesn't look like Seaguar braid. None of their braid is that color, nor looks like that (where you can see the individual strands).
BaitFinesse reply :
How old is that line? It looks like it has seen a lot of use.
WRB reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 12:21 AM, hawgwash said:Just bought some Seaguar Smackdown and I've been using it on my new rig. I've encountered an issue that I wanted to let you guys know about so you don't smack your money down on this stuff.
In the picture I took is the problem. The braid separates and just becomes a mess. It doesn't cut very well either. Hopefully I can get my money back for this trash. This is the second time I've had issues with Seaguar line. Guess I'm going back to Power Pro.
Color looks like TUF-Line, Smackdown is gray color.
Tom
J Francho reply :
Is that supposed to be grey? Man, that doesn't look the Smackdown I've used.
hawgwash reply :
This is Seaguar SmackDown the gray braid I just got it from tackle warehouse a couple days ago.
I contacted Seaguar and they told me to get a hold of their customer support department. Tackle warehouse will of course refund my money.
BassNJake reply :
I had a bad spool of SpiderWire stealth that did that.
J Francho reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 4:02 AM, hawgwash said:I contacted Seaguar and they told me to get a hold of their customer support department. Tackle warehouse will of course refund my money.
Defintiely reach out to both. Seaguar needs to know what went wrong, and Tacklewarehouse can make good on the credit/return. Sorry you didn't get to experience the line the way it's supposed to be.
BaitFinesse reply :
That still looks like worn out braid. I wonder if someone ordered smackdown and returned it to TW with the spool full of used braid to scam TW. I heard of a guy opening a Shimano Stradic only to find that it was some similar colored $30 Chinease reel with a Stradic spool fitted to it. The assumption was that someone ordered the Stradic, took the reel out of the box and replaced it with the cheap reel and spool before returning it. Another buyer then received the box when the seller returned the reel to inventory.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 5:32 AM, BaitFinesse said:That still looks like worn out braid. I wonder if someone ordered smackdown and returned it to TW with the spool full of used braid to scam TW. I heard of a guy opening a Shimano Stradic only to find that it was some similar colored $30 Chinease reel with a Stradic spool fitted to it. The assumption was that someone ordered the Stradic, took the reel out of the box and replaced it with the cheap reel and spool before returning it. Another buyer then received the box when the seller returned the reel to inventory.
What, tackle warehouse turn into Amazon? Oh no ????
LonnieP reply :
That’s definitely not Smackdown. I’m sure TW will make things right.
Gorris317 reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 6:56 AM, LonnieP said:That’s definitely not Smackdown. I’m sure TW will make things right.
Yeah it looks more white than gray.
Stephen B reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 5:40 AM, JustJames said:What, tackle warehouse turn into Amazon? Oh no ????
It's sad but all these retailers are taken advantage of by customers. Looks like someone probably took advantage of them. It's possible Seaguar had a small run of defective braid. I'd have to see more pictures to know for sure though. The braid looks like it's been used for months. How many trips was it used on? In what application?
Seaguar Smackdown does make a stealth gray braid, however, I can't tell through the picture of it is. I've been using smackdown and it's phenomenal line.
hawgwash reply :
This is brand new braid. It is Seaguar Smackdown Stealth Gray Braid, check the photos below.
Hopefully this satisfies all you people who are having a hard time believing my post.
michaelsrex reply :
I also have the smackdown 40lb on all my casting setups. I've never had an issue.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Mass produced items, bound to have a bad one eventually.
I've used the stuff on several reels from 10 to 50 pound test and haven't had any of those issues. It's weird because that line looks flat, reminds me a lot of the Sufix NanoBraid in Aqua Camo I have on my dropshot rod.
jbsoonerfan reply :
I'm not gonna say you are lying about the braid, but that is one awful looking knot.
Stephen B reply :
I am leaning toward possible user error now. The line appears to be 100% authentic. I'd be interested if another person would have issues with the remaining line on the spool. User error or minor manufacturing issue.
Yumeya reply :
Looks like user error to me or you are asking to much from that braid, if you are running it though cover
then use a leader to prevent your braid from fraying.
It doesn't cut easy because, well its braid.
Use braid specific scissors and burn the end with a lighter.
d-camarena reply :
User error? Im not an expert tying knots but braid should not do this. I use pp only and have never had this problem. Probably a bad batch.
Edit. I had not payed attention to the knot. I think that is the problem here. You are damaging the line with that knot. And scissors gotta be sharp too
RichF reply :
I've had some braids get caught on dry skin on my fingers and pull apart like that when handling it. None of them were Smackdown but hat's definitely a thing that can happen.
J Francho reply :
I'm trying really hard to imagine how a knot results from that pic above, and how line of that spool in the pic later in the thread gets like the line in the original pic. What the heck are you doing?
OnthePotomac reply :
Wow! Looks like a picture of a piece of binder twine.
Stephen B reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 9:25 PM, J Francho said:I'm trying really hard to imagine how a knot results from that pic above, and how line of that spool in the pic later in the thread gets like the line in the original pic. What the heck are you doing?
Exactly! Nobody has had any issues with Smackdown, not saying it can't happen but it's very rare. Been using 50 lb Smackdown and absolutely love it. NO issues. That line looks like it is months old and caught in the trolling motor a couple times.
d-camarena reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 12:21 AM, hawgwash said:Just bought some Seaguar Smackdown and I've been using it on my new rig. I've encountered an issue that I wanted to let you guys know about so you don't smack your money down on this stuff.
In the picture I took is the problem. The braid separates and just becomes a mess. It doesn't cut very well either. Hopefully I can get my money back for this trash. This is the second time I've had issues with Seaguar line. Guess I'm going back to Power Pro.
Can you give me the name of that knot? Does it go through guides easy?
JLewis134 reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 12:05 AM, d-camarena said:Can you give me the name of that knot? Does it go through guides easy?
Doesn't look like it lol ????
Brad Reid reply :
I believe the OP is or was tying a Uni knot. It is my primary knot so I think I am recognizing it correctly.
If I tie my terminal tackle on to straight braid, after I form my the knot, with braid I have to pull it down to form the knot . . . slowly. Braid of any sort doesn't hold form all that well being so loose, so by pulling the main line from both ends and the tag end, it sort of gets pulled back into the proper barrel rolls "look."
With mono or fluoro, I can just pull away to set the knot, slide it up tight. Not so with braid, at least not to the same degree.
I have seen messes like this with braid and a uni knot. Made one or two myself!!! Mea culpa.
What I see on the braid, itself, is what appears to be a very loose braidings. Weird. It sure looks good on the spool, looks like a totally different line in the user's photo.
What could account for loose or elongated braidings way up the line, well away from any area sensitive to fraying.
Very intersting. TW will solve the issue, but we likely will never know the 'why' behind it.
Brad
hawgwash reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 7:50 PM, RichF said:I've had some braids get caught on dry skin on my fingers and pull apart like that when handling it. None of them were Smackdown but hat's definitely a thing that can happen.
Exactly. And I know how to tie knots. I took that picture to show what was happening to the line while I was tying a knot.
LonnieP reply :
You must have gotten a bad spool. It’s no way it should have turned colors that fast. Did you contact Seaguar?
jimmyjoe reply :
I found a lake a couple years ago that was very alkaline. If I used braid (Sufix) it turned out similar to the picture above. I don't know whether that is the case here, or whether Smackdown would react the same way, but it's food for thought. jj
JLewis134 reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 7:49 AM, LonnieP said:You must have gotten a bad spool. It’s no way it should have turned colors that fast. Did you contact Seaguar?
After looking carefully at it. It doesn't appear to have turned colors, I believe it's the bad lighting in the background that makes it look that way. The braid is offered in the Stealth Gray color and is phenomenal braid. I would like to know how the OP used the braid. We have many other members with no issues whatsoever.
JackKlassen reply :
I tried smackdown and the problem I ran into is that it breaks off really easily. I had problems literally casting baits off. Never encountered that before on any other lines.
Hammer 4 reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 1:52 PM, JackKlassen said:I tried smackdown and the problem I ran into is that it breaks off really easily. I had problems literally casting baits off. Never encountered that before on any other lines.
May I ask if you would mind providing some details, i.e. line test, lure weight, ect..? I've thrown 8" Hudd's on 40 lb Samurai in the past, never has any issues. I'm thinking of trying the smackdown braid, that's why I ask.
Gorris317 reply :
The more and more I look at the pictures the more it reminds me of yo-yo string.
roadwarrior reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 2:19 PM, Hammer 4 said:
May I ask if you would mind providing some details, i.e. line test, lure weight, ect..? I've thrown 8" Hudd's on 40 lb Samurai in the past, never has any issues. I'm thinking of trying the smackdown braid, that's why I ask.
I have never had an issue.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 2:19 PM, Hammer 4 said:
May I ask if you would mind providing some details, i.e. line test, lure weight, ect..? I've thrown 8" Hudd's on 40 lb Samurai in the past, never has any issues. I'm thinking of trying the smackdown braid, that's why I ask.
Get a higher pound test than you use in other lines cause smackdown is a bit overrated. 30# Smackdown isnt any stronger than 20# power pro,832,gamma for example. Ive had instances where 30# broke rather easily trying to free snags.
keagbassr reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 1:52 PM, JackKlassen said:I tried smackdown and the problem I ran into is that it breaks off really easily. I had problems literally casting baits off. Never encountered that before on any other lines.
I had tis happen with 30 lb. Kanzen. Cast off a few lures and then broke off a good fish on a hookset. That is my first and last seagar line purchase.
J Francho reply :
I have four year old Kanzan 50# on on of my jig rods. Still works fine.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 8:50 PM, keagbassr said:I had tis happen with 30 lb. Kanzen. Cast off a few lures and then broke off a good fish on a hookset. That is my first and last seagar line purchase.
Kanzen is worse than smackdown. Had 15 pound kanzen that wouldnt hold a knot passed 9-10 pounds, very weak. My 8# Nanofil with same knot holds to 12 pounds.
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About customer service good luck with them tried numerous times they never contacted me back.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 9:52 PM, OnthePotomac said:Wow! Looks like a picture of a piece of binder twine.
Yup. My first thought. Think the OP made a mistake and grabbed a spool of baling twine instead of braid. 
JackKlassen reply :
On 5/22/2019 at 2:19 PM, Hammer 4 said:
May I ask if you would mind providing some details, i.e. line test, lure weight, ect..? I've thrown 8" Hudd's on 40 lb Samurai in the past, never has any issues. I'm thinking of trying the smackdown braid, that's why I ask.
40# throwing toads and plopper 130s
Glenn reply :
On 5/23/2019 at 12:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Kanzen is worse than smackdown. Had 15 pound kanzen that wouldnt hold a knot passed 9-10 pounds, very weak. My 8# Nanofil with same knot holds to 12 pounds.
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About customer service good luck with them tried numerous times they never contacted me back.
I've been using 50# Kanzen for frog/toad fishing for years without any issues at all. I don't know what knot you're using, but I tie the uni-knot and never had it slip.
Never had Kanzen break on me, so I don't know what to tell you there.
WRB reply :
On 5/21/2019 at 10:55 AM, hawgwash said:This is brand new braid. It is Seaguar Smackdown Stealth Gray Braid, check the photos below.
Hopefully this satisfies all you people who are having a hard time believing my post.
Great close up photo and you are right the color is similar to your 1st post.
Braid can be hard to cut because it's high strength and flattens between scissor blades requiring specific cutting tools.
Hope you get the problem resolved.
Tom
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