Rod Recommendations for 1-2.5oz Treble Hook Lures 2025
TotalNoob reply :
I'm considering is a setup dedicated to the following types of "heavier" treble hook lures:
-Smaller glides (swaver 168, shine glide 185)
-WP 130
I'm looking for a rod that can appropriately handle the load of these types of lures, both in casting and very critically in that it have a very good bend/moderate taper to truly absorb the treble hook load on the other end. I'm likely going the route of braid to leader (as all my setups now are, varying in leader length) so probably looking to truly err on the softer side for the rod. Ideal length is 7'2" or shorter.
I'm still very green in terms of the different brands of rods on the market and their actions/tapers etc. All but one of my current rods are BPS rods (mostly pro qualifier). I have zero cares about brands/image etc etc. I'm looking for the right tool for the job, preferably a tool that doesn't break the bank, though I would like to hear any/all suggestions and experiences.
As far as the reel, I'm hoping to get the job done with a standard 100 size reel (fuego ct, braid to leader) but I'm also open to any feedback/suggestions here as well.
WRB reply :
Irod Gen 2 IRG754F works good but 7'5".
Tom
Big Rick reply :
On 8/31/2019 at 7:35 AM, TotalNoob said:I have zero cares about brands/image etc etc. I'm looking for the right tool for the job, preferably a tool that doesn't break the bank, though I would like to hear any/all suggestions and experiences.
I understand where you're coming from as I am not a fan boy of any brand. But, I will say there are some presentations that do require proper gear to accomplish the goal in mind. That said, larger Swimbaits is one of those categories. Cheap out on the gear and you've wasted money buying the expensive bait because your gear won't perform the necessary functions to make your bait do its job. So, if you want your swimbait presentation to be accurate and want to feel bait movement and strikes then you'll have to pony up a bit more cash than you would on a normal duty setup.
TotalNoob reply :
On 8/31/2019 at 8:36 AM, WRB said:Irod Gen 2 IRG754F works good but 7'5".
Tom
Is this a good rod to run braid to leader for treble hooks lures specifically?
WRB reply :
I picked this rod in 2012 at the Bass A Thon for a trip to Clear lake as a frog rod and really like it.
Since then It's become my small swimbait / wake bait/ rat ultilty rod. I used 60 lb straight braid for frog fishing but use 25 lb Armillo Nylon for everything else.
Tom
Smalls reply :
QuoteIs this a good rod to run braid to leader for treble hooks lures specifically?
It’ll work, but if you want “the right tool for the job”, you want a rod with a moderate action for treble hooks. Especially running braid.
Drew03cmc reply :
I'd go Irod as well, but I'd ask why 7'2"? Is it for storage reasons or any practical reason? My choice would be the Irod Jr Swim 7'8". For a reel, try a 200 size Shimano loaded with 20lb Hybrid.
TotalNoob reply :
On 8/31/2019 at 3:35 PM, Smalls said:It’ll work, but if you want “the right tool for the job”, you want a rod with a moderate action for treble hooks. Especially running braid.
Yes, exactly, I'm looking for recommendations for a soft to very soft rod
On 8/31/2019 at 6:22 PM, Drew03cmc said:I'd go Irod as well, but I'd ask why 7'2"? Is it for storage reasons or any practical reason? My choice would be the Irod Jr Swim 7'8". For a reel, try a 200 size Shimano loaded with 20lb Hybrid.
I can't see using 20lb line on the swaver 168 ... it's not that heavy and I want as fluid action as possible. I'm looking at using a leader with 12lb diameter (15lb strength) coming off of 30lb braid.
It doesn't have to be 7'2". Really I'm looking for non-swimbait rod options.
Aren't there moderate action rods out there that can throw and fold up nicely on this class of treble hook lures that isn't a swimbait rod?
Dwight Hottle reply :
Your line choice is too light for the lures you mentioned. You need a rod that will handle 1-3 oz baits. You need at least 20 lb mono or 65 lb braid with at least 20 lb leader material. Anything lighter will snap on your first backlash or braid dig in on the spool.
Drew03cmc reply :
On 9/1/2019 at 1:20 AM, TotalNoob said:Yes, exactly, I'm looking for recommendations for a soft to very soft rod
I can't see using 20lb line on the swaver 168 ... it's not that heavy and I want as fluid action as possible. I'm looking at using a leader with 12lb diameter (15lb strength) coming off of 30lb braid.
It doesn't have to be 7'2". Really I'm looking for non-swimbait rod options.
Aren't there moderate action rods out there that can throw and fold up nicely on this class of treble hook lures that isn't a swimbait rod?
See @Dwight Hottle comment below mine. You may be able to get away with 15# Hybrid, but make d**n sure of your knots. The 168 is still 1-5/8oz.
There are crankbait rods you can use, but again, they aren't the right tool for the job.
Born 2 fish reply :
I use a Dobyns fury 795 sb for my heavier treble bait's. You can also look at the heavy cranking stick at bass pro I have a 7'3 heavy that is awesome for s waver 168's
Mikeltee reply :
Dobyns champion line has some great swimbait rods for a decent price. I have the fury 795 but dont use it much. I dont think you are going to find an appropriate swimbait rod that short. Many custom swimbait makers also make custom rods, but those will set you back about $500.
Fried Lemons reply :
Those baits are not particularly heavy and can be thrown on a conventional heavy rod. Once you start getting in the 3oz+ class is when you need dedicated swimbait gear in my opinion.
I would also suggest a good copolymer/mono at 15lb test. Too heavy of a line will kill the action on the small glides. I do not think 30lb braid is a good choice here. It is way too thin and will easily break if you backlash. Mono will stretch and keep fish pinned.
fishwizzard reply :
I have the iRod “Freds” is it is a wonderful rod for both frogs and larger treble-hooked lures. I keep 40lb braid on mine and use it for all sorts of stuff.
For a shorter, slower, and more powerful rod, you could try to find a Megabass Hyuga 72H. It’s also an amazingly versatile heavy powered rod and is what I use for ~2oz swimbaits. It’s recently out of production but are still out there on some of the JDM sites.
newyorktoiowa57 reply :
TacticalBassin recommends the IMX Pro 904 SBR.
MassYak85 reply :
Currently I toss those baits on a Dobyns Fury 795. What's your hesitance to get a longer "swimbait" rod? Trust me, you won't regret the extra length after you get used to the rod unless it's a transportation issue.
As for line, I'm running straight 20lb mono because I mainly use it as a swimbait rod throwing heavier lures like the 200 s waver and 9" slammers. But if I were to do braid to leader for the lures you are using, I'd go 50lb braid to 18lb mono leader (maxima ultragreen is what I use for leaders). I've fished the 168 on line as light as 40lb braid to 12lb leader before. I wouldn't recommend it, it can be done, but if you want to run 15lb leader I think it's doable if you are checking your line and knots religiously. Also don't lock down your drag if you do go that route.
Smalls reply :
What’s your price range?
I know you were looking at the iRod Genesis. They have their 7’8 “Junior Swimbait model that’s moderate action, and good for 1-4 ounces.
TotalNoob reply :
On 9/3/2019 at 12:23 AM, Smalls said:What’s your price range?
I know you were looking at the iRod Genesis. They have their 7’8 “Junior Swimbait model that’s moderate action, and good for 1-4 ounces.
Yea, looking at that. I was able to handle a 795sb at sportsman's warehouse yesterday while traveling, I feel like it feels stiff, like a single jig hook rod.
Can anyone say if the irod 7'8" jr has a softer action than the 795sb?
WRB reply :
On 9/1/2019 at 1:20 AM, TotalNoob said:Yes, exactly, I'm looking for recommendations for a soft to very soft rod
I can't see using 20lb line on the swaver 168 ... it's not that heavy and I want as fluid action as possible. I'm looking at using a leader with 12lb diameter (15lb strength) coming off of 30lb braid.
It doesn't have to be 7'2". Really I'm looking for non-swimbait rod options.
Aren't there moderate action rods out there that can throw and fold up nicely on this class of treble hook lures that isn't a swimbait rod?
I don't know what you think the average 12lb leader dia is ? 12 lb Big Game has 15 lb strength is 014D. Sunline Deifer Armilo 19 lb is .014D for example. I 25 lb lb Armilo .016 D and works good with 168 S-Waver and all the other lures I use with the same rid and reel combo.
Loomis IMX 904 SB @ $350 would work but the handle is too long IMO vs the IRG754F Freds Magic rod @ 150 and both rod are about the weight / performance. Depends on budget and preferences.
the IRods are lighter weigh then Dobyns rods, swimbait rods are more moderate action, to me Irod is a little faster action, not softer then Dobyns.
Tom
PS, TW sale ends soon!
Smalls reply :
On 9/3/2019 at 12:50 AM, TotalNoob said:Yea, looking at that. I was able to handle a 795sb at sportsman's warehouse yesterday while traveling, I feel like it feels stiff, like a single jig hook rod.
Can anyone say if the irod 7'8" jr has a softer action than the 795sb?
A lot of people buy the 795 because of its price and weight rating. It’s a great rod for Huds, Burritos, etc. not great for treble hooks. It’s a fast action rod, and pretty stiff.
TotalNoob reply :
On 9/3/2019 at 12:55 AM, WRB said:I don't know what you think the average 12lb leader dia is ? 12 lb Big Game has 15 lb strength is 014D. Sunline Deifer Armilo 19 lb is .014D for example. I 25 lb lb Armilo .016 D and works good with 168 S-Waver and all the other lures I use with the same rid and reel combo.
15lb invisX @ .013
Any higher diameter it seems to adversely affect the action of the 168, just in my opinion.
I'm fond of fluoro because I'm not throwing these exclusively for bass or wipers. There's another freshwater species I intend to target at certain times of day/year, a typically line shy species, from shore a good bit. It doesn't seem like fluoro is a popular leader option in this category. I assume knot strength is the primary reason.
WRB reply :
FC has marginal knot strength approx 75-80% of rated line strength for reference and with a leader you have 2 knots to consider.
Big Brown trout can be more line shy fish bass so FC would be a good choice, otherwise Armilo is ideal for a variety of swimbaits, glides and wake baits. First time you cast off a lure or loose a big fish near the boat it will become clear.
Good luck with your rod choice.
Tom
Smalls reply :
Most swimbait guys are running either Big Game, or CXX.
I run braid to leaders on a majority majority of my rods. But my pitching rod and swimbait rods get straight CXX.
TotalNoob reply :
On 9/3/2019 at 1:45 AM, WRB said:FC has marginal knot strength approx 75-80% of rated line strength for reference and with a leader you have 2 knots to consider.
Big Brown trout can be more line shy fish bass so FC would be a good choice, otherwise Armilo is ideal for a variety of swimbaits, glides and wake baits. First time you cast off a lure or loose a big fish near the boat it will become clear.
Good luck with your rod choice.
Tom
Yea that's something I think about when trying to piece this together, junction & terminal knot compounds knot strength vulnerability. Thanks for the info WRB.
Bassattackr reply :
On 8/31/2019 at 3:35 PM, Smalls said:It’ll work, but if you want “the right tool for the job”, you want a rod with a moderate action for treble hooks. Especially running braid.
This. I use an E6X 7'4" Heavy Swimbait rod (Heavy power, moderate action) for a WP 1110/130, 5" Osprey Swimbaits and smaller A rigs. Perfect rod, I love it.
MassYak85 reply :
On 9/3/2019 at 1:03 AM, Smalls said:A lot of people buy the 795 because of its price and weight rating. It’s a great rod for Huds, Burritos, etc. not great for treble hooks. It’s a fast action rod, and pretty stiff.
I'd describe it as a mod-fast. It loads up enough to keep trebles pinned imo but then again I like rods on the faster side so to me it seems softer than what I'm used to. Dobyns runs a little soft for their rating so their "fast" isn't what I'd normally call "fast".
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