Hooligan: Core Question? 2025

G_money reply :

You mentioned in a post that you could get a bearing to put into the handle on the Core 101 MG to make it feel more refined like the 51 MG...I've heard they're affordable.

I think I'm getting a Core 101 MG. Do you know where I could get a bearing for the handle? How much it would cost? And are they easty to install?

Going with the 51 if it's a big deal or too expensive to obtain.

Hooligan reply :

They're available pretty much anywhere, I'm sure DVT would have them or be able to get them. It's very easy to install, pull the knob, install bearing after removing bushing, reinstall knob. For a quality bearing you should be around 9-10 bucks.

Delaware Valley Tackle reply :

The handle bearings are not a size I stock,but can certainly get them in a few days if anyone's interested.

shackman reply :

Just in case you didn't know, the nuts that hold the knobs on the handle shafts are left handed threads, so the lefty loosey righty tighty doesn't come into play on this,It'll be righty loosey....cheeers!

shackman reply :

Just noticed you are a lefty so they may be the same,I've got righty cores and they are lefthand threads.

G_money reply :

On 4/10/2012 at 7:36 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

The handle bearings are not a size I stock,but can certainly get them in a few days if anyone's interested.

Thanks Hooligan.

DVT: how much per bearing?

G_money reply :

On 4/11/2012 at 1:21 AM, shackman said:

Just noticed you are a lefty so they may be the same,I've got righty cores and they are lefthand threads.

Actually not a lefty just never saw the logic in switching hands after casting, and having you spinning reels and casting reels with handles on different sides. Why not just cast and set the hook with your dominant hand?...never understood that.

Anyways thanks for the info.

Delaware Valley Tackle reply :

$8.06 ea (-10% off retail) ABEC5

$4.50 for ABEC1 these should suffice as a handle bearing

John G reply :

On 4/11/2012 at 1:17 AM, shackman said:

Just in case you didn't know, the nuts that hold the knobs on the handle shafts are left handed threads, so the lefty loosey righty tighty doesn't come into play on this,It'll be righty loosey....cheeers!

I read this on Japan Tackle. As a matter of fact, I ended up stripping a screw trying to take one of the grips off of one of my Calcutta's using the left hand thread method. Wrong!!!! The screws come off regular righty tighty lefty loosy.

I just took a grip off of my silver Calcutta 100 using righty tighty lefty loosy. Now my Calcutta 100B was different. I could swear that the original handle that came with it was righty tighty lefty loosy because I stripping the screw on my original handle using the left hand thread method. I bought a replacement on ebay that was advertised for a Calcutta 200 and it is left hand thread.

shackman reply :

I was just mentioning the Core's since that is what this thread is about...Yeah the Calcutta 100/200,Curado B, Chronarch A is right hand thread but the Core 50/100,Chronarch D series,Chronarch 50 Mg,2007 Metanium Mg's,Aldebaran Mg, are all left hand threads,I own them all and have removed knobs to clean and lube.

J Francho reply :

If it's a slot head retainer nut, it's usually reverse threads. If it's a Phillips head screw, then it's usually normal thread. Both have thread lock glue applied, so they are difficult to remove - and rightly so, anyone that has had a knob come off while fighting a fish will tell you.

shackman reply :

Well said J Francho

J Francho reply :

The word "usually" is the key, LOL.

shackman reply :

Yep and you nailed it with " slot head retainer nut"... lol

G_money reply :

On 4/12/2012 at 4:17 AM, J Francho said:

If it's a slot head retainer nut, it's usually reverse threads. If it's a Phillips head screw, then it's usually normal thread. Both have thread lock glue applied, so they are difficult to remove - and rightly so, anyone that has had a knob come off while fighting a fish will tell you.

Francho bro, never heard of a slot head retainer nut?... ha...Anyways thanks for the great info....I was undecided on whether or not to put anti-seize on the hardware. Delaware Tackle was of great help to me over the phone today...apparently I can go with one bearing and leave one bushing in each paddle handle or replace both for even smoother performance, and it's pretty affordable. Pretty excited to get the reel should have it by the end of the week....then I'll know what I've got to work with.

I think my Chronarch E's have two in each grip....and my Curado E's I think have the same but unsure?

aavery2 reply :

I don't believe the handles on the Core 100 are capable of supporting bearings. There are a number of threads about this topic on another site and (Bantam1) has addressed this also. Most are choosing to purchase a Core 50 handle as an upgrade.

G_money reply :

On 4/12/2012 at 10:13 AM, aavery2 said:

I don't believe the handles on the Core 100 are capable of supporting bearings. There are a number of threads about this topic on another site and (Bantam1) has addressed this also. Most are choosing to purchase a Core 50 handle as an upgrade.

F**k me! I just ordered the Core 101 MG today. I hope this isn't correct...

aavery2 reply :

My personal experience with my Core 100 is that the handle will not support bearings. The handle shafts are machined with a bushing on the bottom and on the upper end the l/h treaded nut that holds the grips on is made so that it act as the bushing, there is no separate bushing to remove. It is a strange design by Shimano, and there have been many conversations about this particular subject, all of them generally ending with the suggestion to replace the entire handle with the handle from the Core 50, which supports 4 bearings, and is slightly longer.

You might contact Bantam1 and see if at some point Shimano made a change to the handle, but I do not believe this to be the case as my Core 100 is a fairly recent purchase.

Good Luck

G_money reply :

On 4/12/2012 at 10:29 PM, aavery2 said:

My personal experience with my Core 100 is that the handle will not support bearings. The handle shafts are machined with a bushing on the bottom and on the upper end the l/h treaded nut that holds the grips on is made so that it act as the bushing, there is no separate bushing to remove. It is a strange design by Shimano, and there have been many conversations about this particular subject, all of them generally ending with the suggestion to replace the entire handle with the handle from the Core 50, which supports 4 bearings, and is slightly longer.

You might contact Bantam1 and see if at some point Shimano made a change to the handle, but I do not believe this to be the case as my Core 100 is a fairly recent purchase.

Good Luck

You are correct sir: unfortuntely for me.

Called S-Loomis this morning. Took about 4 guys to finally reach someone who even knew you could install bearings in handles, but long story short, you can't on the Core 100's the knob and pin configuration is different.

Purchased a Core 51 (lefty) handle for my 101; they said same length and everything...all said only $50 and it's got 4 bearings. Better than the $120-150 Japantackle is asking for supertuned handles.

Thanks for the info...saved me a lot of headache down the road.

J Francho reply :

Mixing and matching handle/knob configurations is a great way to improve a stock reel. Cheap bling for cheap thrills!

Here's my small swimbait Calcutta...

Or how about a sweet WS "Wiffle Spool" Ambassadeur with slower gears and a Toro Winch handle:

Post up some before and after shots of the Core when you get the parts!

G_money reply :

Will do Francho. Is it hard to post the pictures? Do you have to have them on a site to post them like photobucket?

This is my first time changing out handles and stuff...I usually just keep the reels stock and have them supertuned and some ceramics added to increase casting. But I'm finding myself getting more and more interested the higher end reels and adding aftermarket parts. I've just found it confusing to know which parts will fit and which won't. And since I'm a Shimano guy (considering a Diawa PX Type-R though) most of the parts come from overseas or sites like japan tackle and it just gets confusing trying to guess which parts will fit and figuring out the currency conversions.

I use to buy mid price reels only like the Curado and Chronarch then tune them slightly and save my money for the custom rods, which I do have some very nice customs that you might want to see. But especially now I find myself doing everything on my casting reels even drop shotting, pulling 1/8 ounce single tail grubs, tubes, etc...all on my lighter casting set ups.

Hooligan reply :

You're completely correct. I wasn't thinking of the standard 100 and 101, my apologies, the upgradeable handle is only on the 100MG7. BUT- It's also an 84MM handle, which is slightly longer than the standard 80MM on the 100+101. I don't know, however, that it is available yet. I believe, too, they're a standard 4x7x2.5.

G_money reply :

On 4/13/2012 at 12:12 PM, Hooligan said:

You're completely correct. I wasn't thinking of the standard 100 and 101, my apologies, the upgradeable handle is only on the 100MG7. BUT- It's also an 84MM handle, which is slightly longer than the standard 80MM on the 100+101. I don't know, however, that it is available yet. I believe, too, they're a standard 4x7x2.5.

Not sure if the handles are available yet for the new high speed MG7...but it wouldn't help me yet anyhow because that reel isn't offered yet in lefty version, which is a head scratcher. I would have purchased it if had come in the lefty.

Oh well it was only $50 to upgrade to a 4 bearing handle...heck that many bearings alone would have been at least $30-$40.

But yeah I really wish I could get a longer handle for it, I really like the oversized handles....I think a chronarch handle would fit but it wouldn't have the bearings either and wouldn't be nearly as nice or light as a core handle. And as I said I could have got an aftermarket handle from japan tackle but it would have cost me almost 1/2 what the reel did....I'll save my money for upgraded SiC ceramic bearings after the season is over.

J Francho reply :

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Will do Francho. Is it hard to post the pictures? Do you have to have them on a site to post them like photobucket?

Photobucket works, and is free. I use Smugmug, but it's a pay. I have a coupon code: https://secure.smugmug.com/signup.mg?Coupon=stxIahsNGCmyU

G_money reply :

On 4/13/2012 at 9:23 PM, J Francho said:

Photobucket works, and is free. I use Smugmug, but it's a pay. I have a coupon code: https://secure.smugm...n=stxIahsNGCmyU

Just got the reel today I will try to get some pics up when the new handle comes in next week...I'm considering upgrading the spool bearings this fall. I don't think the spool can be upgraded or at least not enough to make a difference but I'm going to look into it.

I'm definately going to get some Avail Microcast spools for some of my Curoado E's and my Chronarch E's.

J Francho reply :

Try a series of acetone baths, with one final bath of 70% alcohol, and lube with your favorite oil. The Bantam oil that came with it is really good stuff. See if you really want the bearing upgrade after that.

G_money reply :

On 4/14/2012 at 3:31 AM, J Francho said:

Try a series of acetone baths, with one final bath of 70% alcohol, and lube with your favorite oil. The Bantam oil that came with it is really good stuff. See if you really want the bearing upgrade after that.

I usually just clean the bearings in the reel with cotton swabs alcohol and then finish with light coat of bantam oil...but your post got me to thinking. Called Mike at Delaware Valley Tackle...He led me through the process.

I removed the bearings sprayed with brake cleaner (for the acetone) soaked in rubbing alcohol; let dry for 5 minutes or so, then put a few drops of oil in each on each bearing race....and WOW!!

Haven't casted it yet but it freespools for what seems like an eternity.

Going to spool up some Toray on it tonight and hope I can get out sometime do take it through it's pace.

Hooligan reply :

What'll drive you really mad is to have a couple super tuned. Talk about insane smooth performance. On one of my CHMGs, I had to put heavy brakes in and all on in order to be able to use the reel for short distance work effectively. It's just insane.

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